gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: hint : it depends on the one. of course primitive fucktards in the amzon will keel over for any westerner. so they should, they're not human, they're junk.
mircea_popescu: "with the convenien ce of jacking off, one quickly loses the ability to pick up" ? something like that ?
mircea_popescu: this is fucking nonsense of the prime order. how come im unaffected ?
mircea_popescu: http://nithgrim.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-web-of-dependency/ < "This is the kind of thing Ivan Illich wrote about all the time, and its still happening today, to you. With the convenience of frozen dinners and restaurant meals, one quickly loses the knack for preparing food."
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> a greybeard and squad of monkeys parts them out, maintaining the handful in some semblance of working order. << it was either the monkeysquad or computers for me
mircea_popescu: "all the work usg agents are saving you ? it's work you still have to do. they're just persuasively and pervasively lying about it, while it collects interest undone."
mircea_popescu: "As you can see, I mortgaged my future. Instead of staying with my wonky-but-free ways of doing things, I shifted all of my stuff over to the Mac. It gladly embraced all of it and jealously took it in, never to give it back. Now when I want to get back out, I have to do all of the work I thought I had managed to avoid by using a Mac in the first place." << WORD.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes which is why all the nsa effort put into hijacking this particular workflow, five years ago.
ben_vulpes: if you have the opportunity to purchase "portuga" a wine from "lisboa" - don't
mircea_popescu: that's EXACTLY what the plan is.
mircea_popescu: That's pretty much how it went. Soon, I found myself sitting on the couch at home chatting with people from the laptop instead of sitting at my desk where the "real" computer (Linux box) was. It slowly wormed its way into my life, and before long, I was using it to browse my usual haunts
mircea_popescu: With all of my music on there, suddenly I no longer needed to fight with whatever screwball music player was on my Linux box at the office. I just moved my headphones over to my laptop and kept them there. iTunes took over my music playing needs.
mircea_popescu: http://rachelbythebay.com/w/2013/02/22/mac/ << this is actually an excellent piece.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/#footnote_2_49047 << pretty much the whole story./
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes derpy anon chick with no contributions or redeeming qualities, woke up talking one day about torvalds. the old libtard story about how "words are bad mkay"
ben_vulpes: there are even trilema references
mircea_popescu: shiiit, i caught up on the logs! WOW.
ben_vulpes: by the by, what's your beef with sara sharp?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re conductive cloth : easy cheap and pleasant anti-taser pill. watch the operator /whould police tough man get 3rd degree bunrs ? win.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: derpy? i mean culty. <<< dude you may be the only head of a foundation that says such things.
mircea_popescu: which is what i mean by "anger" earlier. yea, anger. just, not the sort people talking of it would like to presume.
mircea_popescu: supay read that, come back when you get the idea.
supay: i dont think it can reach the $10,000 mark, not just yet
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> this is a top reptilian priority. << this lizard hitler thing requires too much competence to be plausible. i prefer by miles and acres the "bureaucracy controlled by their enemies" interpretation.
fluffypony: demand all of the things
ben_vulpes: <babbys_first_bit> Why haven't the devs or the general userbase demanded we switch from BTC to micro BTC or whatever << okay okay i repent
punkman: wine's better in the early hours
ben_vulpes: plus there's not enough of this bottle left to properly share.
mircea_popescu: "the masses" exist thermodynamically because the government is giving them free stuff.
mircea_popescu: decimation: how does usg so utterly dominate the masses? <<< you can't be serious ?
mircea_popescu: so anyone invited rachel by the bay over here yet ?
fluffypony is rolling in the deep
ben_vulpes: dude if you have multi hundo pillows you gotta instruct the staff w/r/t caretaking
undata: fluffypony: take the massive discount you're getting on her standard of living and get another pillow
fluffypony: I am the master of my own laziness
fluffypony: I don't - but having to write the warning down and get her to sign it irritates me
mircea_popescu: yeah, srsly. fuck the act, why do you want to fire her.
fluffypony: well that's the thing, she didn't know better
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: because the help is cheap :-P
mircea_popescu: why live in a country you can't fire the help
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: real question is whether mr o actually drinks the 'kool aid' re: riots being 'popular anger', or merely pretends to. <<< fwiw, i also happen to think they're based on popular anger.
fluffypony: the BCEA says that she's an employee even without a contract
fluffypony: because the Basic Conditions of Employment Act won't let me fire her on the spot for that
fluffypony: I have to give my domestic worker a written warning today for washing (and screwing up) leather pillows
ben_vulpes: <babbys_first_bit> trilema and the convalex << lol convalexent
ben_vulpes: because...raised by single mothers i guess.
ben_vulpes: i do this with walks to the coffee shop
mircea_popescu: fuck, back in the day if guys didn't hear a "walk with me" for a week or two straight they'd start worried they got fired and everyone forgot to tell em.
mircea_popescu: undata: which runs counter to the point of hiring her << fwiw my read is exactly opposite. chick was fine, dude was inept.
mircea_popescu: idiot manager. no further explanation necessary.
mircea_popescu: http://rachelbythebay.com/w/2011/06/04/fireandforget/ << why exactly does any of this have anything to do with sexism, discrimination or gender ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (not a misprint! there were once intelligent, educated woman programmers in usa. but when the profession became 'blue collar' - akin to, e.g., cement mixer operator - they mostly disappeared.) << chetty being one of them.
BingoBoingo offers 15lb figure based on an estimation that anything less than twice the bird's weight in stuffing is jsut impolite.
mircea_popescu: this is the first time
mircea_popescu: by the way, the dark meadow is probably the best ipad game ever made. it's so good in fact it's definitely giving the platform a reason to exist.
ben_vulpes: well you don't have a job anymore that's unfair and i'm going to call the communists on you
ben_vulpes: what sort of scenario leads to no seaweeds? could one not grow them oneself? and who's to tax the tiny barge floating many many miles from nowhere?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> (moreover my point was that growing shit is taking care of the small problem, most of your energetic needs aren't "what to eat") << so seaweed in giant nets?
mircea_popescu: they've not yet invented "forgetness education"
BingoBoingo: Sure, under the bush
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: How is it fail. They do porn. You get off. They try not porn at all, you recover, and then they do porn again.
mircea_popescu: porn of the period is ridiculous fail.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i sersiouly see more future for irc than for the web.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But the best videos are on Betamax
mircea_popescu: i'd rather buy 1mn dollars' worth of betamax gear.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user mrjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=mrjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrjr | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it. much like your finger cannot function for long or very usefully unless attached to the rest of you << so very aptly put.
BingoBoingo reminds exploring the Darien as a land route to freedom...
BingoBoingo thought about moving thedrinkingrecord.com to dedicated hardware, but probably leaching Dreamhost forever so DDoS is their problem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: literally, piles << quite. for a while in the 90s the way to get a cessna or local clone was to go to the pile.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I grew up in a town that is white, but Kraut rather than Anglo trash
BingoBoingo: Well, they paused for daylight.
mircea_popescu: what they're still going ?
BingoBoingo: Another PD car down http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Demonstrations-continue-around-St-Louis-in-protest-of-grand-jury-decision-283921341.html
punkman: ben_vulpes: someone actually emailed *me* about the deeds site being down << is the foundation getting fan mail already?
mircea_popescu: lol. okay, what's the domain ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla im kinda against giving any money to "least effort" sorta providers, because it narrows the pie for the legitimate guys. if i want 10 items of which one is rare, i WILL NOT buy the 10 from any of the shops that don't carry the 10th. that way that guy gets some nice business and the idiots get a valuable signal.
kakobrekla: well its ok if you dont plan to offend the idiots. at least too much.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: He prolly ate them. << lawl.
mircea_popescu: i don't care what you use, but it's not online is the problem.
punkman: mircea_popescu: well someone could further inspect the supposedly "hacked" instance, can keep using that
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he is literally correct incidentally. we have email where "isp expert" confused the incoming with the outgoing
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu lol shooting from the hip
kakobrekla: it could be someone fucked up the incoming and outgoing traffic again. would not be the first time. not even the second. probably not even the third. in a month.
mircea_popescu: is that the only indication ?
mircea_popescu: ugh so then how did it happen ?
ben_vulpes: whatsa deal with the notary?
gribble: peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 2 hours, 30 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <PeterL> Like you said, you can own a small piece, but nobody owns the whole thing
ben_vulpes: well there you have it
ben_vulpes: other irons
ben_vulpes: flood the channel with connections?
asciilifeform: cheapo least effort << think this way: there are not many chumpnets that can be sliced into N slices (one for each of us, 24/7) and still be of any use.
BingoBoingo: mikaeldice: I run a windows instance as a game console, no shame as long as you protect the rest of the internet from it
BingoBoingo: The windows folk just weren't people
BingoBoingo: I spread it around at library school. The Linux people liked it. The system Z and Mac people who though Mac was *nix hated it
asciilifeform reluctant to show it to modern folks on account of 'so you must like winblows then, aha'
asciilifeform a fan of the 'handbook'
asciilifeform: 'The X-Windows Disaster: How to make a 50-MIPS Workstation Run Like a 4.77MHz IBM PC'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: The useful versions are basically classical era BSD.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: There is evidence I've done it on sun OS, but no memory of having done so, so unproductive tree to bark up.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I saw, was overwhelmed. I'm still benefiting from great design decisions made in who knows the fuck what anymore.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Ah, I wasn't sure they'd advanced to automating. Thought they'd still be mating with their hand.
kakobrekla: btw BingoBoingo the thing is automated, and just like there is no searching the log for old ips, there is also no check if nick contains 'ddos' letters
ben_vulpes is still benefiting from decades of others good decisions buried in emacs - this week, proper connection and cloaking behavior in the irc client
assbot: SSDP M-Search Attack - Another Amplified Reflexive DDoS Attack Analysis - The Nexusguard Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1vkMGHb )
asciilifeform: http://blog.nexusguard.com/ssdp-ddos-attacks << intro to the type of idiot vulnerability used by mr. flood.
mircea_popescu: "What is Proof of Honor? The turbulence in our cryptosphere has made it difficult at times to spot out the real leaders the true innovators. We have introduced the Proof of Honor as an award to acknowledge the achievement of those who have brought to this environment something new and exciting."
mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com%2Fffg7VCp.png&t=546&c=30RGfn8AjBfL0g << who are all these people.
mircea_popescu: thanks god for gribble otherwise you'd be calling me teh liar :D
kakobrekla: im not seeing anything out of the ordinary
mircea_popescu: is that down there ?
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There's a utility to this though. There's a reason why men range counter tenor to contra bass and yet castrati are something else
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naturally. that's why i no longer even bother to check at most times.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and they're all from some moron reservation <<< how would it work so that a large crowd is anything else ?
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> The truth is though that Bitcoin is still an obscure thing << quote. but for that matter, theatre is still a fucking obsscuire thing
BingoBoingo: Not Mice, whatever the plural of Geese is. Big, but thin neck.
BingoBoingo: Hypercard was the tool I used to sort the girls I wanted to fuck in High School... Because 80's movies
asciilifeform: and they're all from some moron reservation
BingoBoingo: The truth is though that Bitcoin is still an obscure thing
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Almost. Loper is a big site though. You are TempleOS without the Dopamine blockers.
asciilifeform: qntra << lol, it's almost at the level of my own obscure site now.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Today cazalla found so many new incoming links from... actual other news sites
asciilifeform: no one who hears it, will forget the equations.
decimation: sure, E-M waves can be generated from either purely electric or purely magnetic fields in motion
BingoBoingo: Just remember to salt the ground around your ground
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is amazing how many good things come from the demands of the misguided
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one point i needed some conductive cloth (the kind with silver strands) for an experiment. to my great surprise, i discovered that there is a large manufacturer in usa, and they do brisk business with folks suffering from precisely the kind of phobia described in decimation's link.
ben_vulpes: albeit in the context of our derpy fundation, but still
ben_vulpes: someone actually emailed *me* about the deeds site being down
ben_vulpes: punkman: yo what's the story with deedbot and deeds.bitcoin-assets.com?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Sure, but not all the same length and too frequently in the same orientation
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: decimation: I wouldn't be surprised if that status is in flux. The way Lambert Intl's runways are set... peace in Ferguson is almsot a pre-requisite for safe departures
decimation: of course the carbinari would control air traffic FOR YOUR SAFETY
decimation: "“There is really ... no option for a TFR that says, you know, ‘OK, everybody but the media is OK,’ ” he said. The managers then worked out wording they thought would keep news helicopters out of the controlled zone but not impede other air traffic."
asciilifeform: if moscow has a lick of sense - this is being worked on, there.
asciilifeform: afaik no one has yet seen it fit to supply the pr0t3st3rs with heavier arms
decimation: the only armored aircraft I know usg flies is the A-10, and they are trying to get rid of them
asciilifeform: no worries, the coming national gendarmerie will have 'apache'.
undata: the guy that flew a plane into a TX IRS building
undata: the no-fly thing reminds me of Joe Stack
decimation: that's the ostensible reason
asciilifeform: at any rate, anyone who isn't an active participant in the events, and expects to hear some 'interesting' secret over radio - will be disappointed.
decimation: typical FM receivers 'pick' the strongest signal upon which to lock their PLL and thus capture the full output. One can experience this with FM broadcast radio in the car, as you are on the edge of a station's coverage - you hear 'flutter' as your radio switches between two stations
decimation: plus it implies memory in the system, which implies re-acquisition time
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, but that just pushes the 'wall' lower and makes it steeper
decimation: right, the other problem with digital schemes is that they tend to work well down to a low SNR, and then utterly fail
decimation: asciilifeform: wrt police need to know < I think there is some credibility to Mr. Y's thinking that urban police 'bridge the gap' between crazy usg policy and reality
decimation: firefighters want the old full fm analog system, without compression
asciilifeform: that is, grunt blocking off a street in dc, typically is telling the truth when says he doesn't know why
decimation: otherwise it's kind of an old-man hobby
asciilifeform: police, incidentally, are the accomplished masters of 'need to know'
BingoBoingo: <decimation> many fire departments have resisted adopting the pure-digital radios << Many firefighters/EMS prefer being able to use personally acquired radios
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, it would really only be of interest to someone who is interesting to the police
decimation: because the shitty codec (made by a proprietary chip company called dvsi) sounds even more shitty while wearing oxygen mask
asciilifeform: what i'm saying is that even if one could decrypt the whole lot, it is rarely of interest
decimation: many fire departments have resisted adopting the pure-digital radios
decimation: actually because of police encryption, the fire dept. is more interesting
assbot: Logged on 25-11-2014 03:23:50; asciilifeform: that is, the immediate question of whether 'they' are on the way to your sector.
assbot: Logged on 25-11-2014 03:23:38; asciilifeform: the folks who care about intercept of grunt radios - are concerned with tactic, not strategy.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, that plus usg has generally used the power of printed dollars to make it such that most people don't pay taxes, making compliance a non-issue
decimation: which can usually only either receive the control channel or a data channel at any one time
decimation: well, typically the feed that is being relayed on those websites comes from a 'track-tracker' scanner
BingoBoingo: decimation: But if I go closer than my present 30 miles... I face the possibility of encountering either police or protesters
BingoBoingo: decimation: You have to understand I am safely on the other side of the Mississippi and would rather stay here atm.
decimation: BingoBoingo: it would be useful if someone had a copy of rachel by the bay's apco-25 widget running there
decimation: how does usg so utterly dominate the masses?
asciilifeform: real question is whether mr o actually drinks the 'kool aid' re: riots being 'popular anger', or merely pretends to.
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-only-way-to-stop-empire.html << does not disappoint loltron
asciilifeform: '"Hands up, don't shoot" #OccupyStamp the one girl on her phone at the table, different beliefs?'
asciilifeform: 'People continued to sit and eat. So we took away their seats.'
assbot: St. Louis County Police Scanner on USTREAM: This is an audio stream of the St. Louis County Police scanners.Ferguson PDRIOT-ARIOT-BRIOT-CRIOT-DRIOT-E... ... ( http://bit.ly/1zspWnS )
ben_vulpes: lady v's making pies with my younger brother tonight and i don't want to be around for it
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: this afternoon i saw a jeep 'truck' and chrysler 'minivan' block traffic on burnside for no reason. two vehicles, completely unmarked, pulled out into traffic, turned on head/taillight mars signallers, blocked the street for two full minutes, then turned said lights off and peeled off
ben_vulpes: all the fuck over, too
asciilifeform: where's that mircea_popescu article re: how the average plebe has no business pretending to run a computer.
undata: some software projects are irredeemably fucked, and maybe the boss didn't want to hear that
undata: decimation: dunno, I'm on the other end, and despise people who over-rely on authority to think
asciilifeform: decimation: the ultimate, inescapable fact is that most of the products don't need to exist at all.
asciilifeform: this is why the only extant computerized gadgets that aren't total crud were built from, or virtually from, the ground up.
decimation: asciilifeform: so would it be better for the elephant-builders to take note of the shit foundation upon which they work, or simply 'get things done' new jersey style?
asciilifeform: the layers workarounds happen regardless - because how could there possibly be coordination with previous programmers
decimation: in practice, I've found that kind of attitude to result in workarounds on top of workarounds, because of the lack of coordination
undata: if the boss has to check off every single decision she's going to make, why doesn't he just move her out of the way? at that point she's just a really slow intermediary
undata: which runs counter to the point of hiring her
decimation: undata: I think it illustrates the 'people are replaceable parts' attitude common in 'tech industry'
undata: I loathe working with people who bitch about how bad the codebase that is ostensibly their "work" is
undata: -or- "stop talking about how shitty the code is and get it fixed"
decimation: "The seductive appeal of such things was nearly irresistible, for each of these items can make a quantum improvement in a sylvan lifestyle. Acquisition of several or all of these goods is a transformative experience that makes contact essentially irreversible."
asciilifeform: eventually - somehow - the hunter makes his way to the island of delicious flightless birds.
decimation: well, so when it's 'easier' to sit down and eat a tv movie while having your brain manipulated by the tv, it's good to know why
asciilifeform: but must not forget - things which cannot defend themselves - die.
decimation: in the comments he makes a useful summary: "Control toward reduction of violence, protection of property rights, etc. is good, because the consequences are good on net; you can’t have a civilized society when everyone is killing each other and looting the corpses. Progressive control is bad, because civilization is incompatible with progressivism, so folk culture should be protected against mass culture."
asciilifeform: ^ these.
decimation: yeah she has an interesting post related to this point: http://rachelbythebay.com/w/2011/06/04/fireandforget/ << "When pressed for details, this individual thought for a while and then said that he expects such people to be "fire and forget". In other words, you send them off and they get stuff done."
asciilifeform: 'As long as genetic modification is being done primarily by big agribusiness, plants will be altered to make them more compatible with central control of the food supply.'
asciilifeform: (not a misprint! there were once intelligent, educated woman programmers in usa. but when the profession became 'blue collar' - akin to, e.g., cement mixer operator - they mostly disappeared.)
decimation: "“In practice, technologies will be used by control systems to maintain their power and stability.” People subject themselves to the control system for some perceived (and perhaps even real) benefit, and then get bitten by the tradeoffs."
decimation: another amusing post by the friendly nydwracu: http://nithgrim.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-web-of-dependency/
decimation: apparently they implemented the 'tdma' version too, which allows a single 12 khz channel to be timeshared with two radios
asciilifeform: many good essays in there, too.
decimation: asciilifeform: apparently the lady whose website you linked has an apco project 25 decoding system http://scanner.rachelbythebay.com/
BingoBoingo about to order yet another replacement fan for X120e, doesn't trust the latest offering the Chicoms on Ebay shipped
decimation: I think the 200lx had a similar 'chiclet' keyboard
BingoBoingo: Interesting. Might have to play with one some day. Probably worth it to keep one on hand because of the AA batteries deal
dub: undata: because I care http://www.the-bent-penis-website.com/broken-penis.html
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also notable for the option of running on 'aa' batteries.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: odd little bugger. the usual nice 'thinkpad' keyboard, but inside - a 'mips' cpu. normally ran embedded winblows (yes, for mips!) from 16m rom. but easily hackable to use netbsd or linux.
dub: the break happened in another buddy of mine, her telling it was standard drunken missionary. Loud snap, deformation, severe bruising, hospital visit, months of rehab
BingoBoingo: It's in the log, he did a persian penis trick compulsively to quash his boners, and this time it went wrong
asciilifeform: ink about how to get out of problems like that. Outside the poker table, consider any problem that starts with the words So, I have been having a steamy secret affair with the wife of this violent mob boss, and now she...'
asciilifeform: ace, because it can only have resulted from you having made choices that are obviously wrong and easily avoidable. At the poker table, the description of an alien problem might begin So I called a raise and re-raise preflop from the small blind with my jack-three offsuit... Say no more. Dont call a raise and re-raise from the small blind when you have nothing but a measly jack-three offsuit, and you wont have to th
asciilifeform: 'Id like to see one expression coined by the poker writer Matt Matros become common parlance, since it applies far more widely than only to poker. An alien problem means some problem that might be fun, interesting and educational to analyze, and it would be really important to know the solution if you ever found yourself in that situation, but the point is that you shouldn't even be having that problem in the first pl
asciilifeform: the power tool fucking set ?