decimation: well, it's hard not to be 'fortunate' when you own like 11% of the world's land
pete_dushenski: last one to the bottom loses!
decimation: actually I was thinking while gasing up my car today... if you add up the fact that usg is funded to a big degree by printed dollars, and that now opec has decided to flood the market with oil to kill off drilling in north america, you realize that you have 'oil printing' vs. 'dollar printing'
pete_dushenski: but he's still king of the roost. low debt, plenty of other coal and gas to offset oil, gold
decimation: cazalla: that's worse than the us
pete_dushenski: so the ruble slides with it
decimation: of course with the price of oil tanking...
cazalla: decimation, of course, meanwhile they upped the pension age to 70 from the year 2035, of course, no money for pensions will be available to pay such a thing by then
pete_dushenski: basically goes over the many ways putin has figured out capitalism better than almost anyone else.
pete_dushenski: keep in mind i'm but a lowly observer... from the clouds
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pete_dushenski: anyways, this dovetails into today's article: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/30/agency-goes-to-the-active-or-how-putin-doesnt-understand-how-the-world-works/
decimation: cazalla: I assume they all have gov't paid pensions too right
pete_dushenski: russia has other taxes, like vat of 18% and a special welfare tax of 25% on first $14k earned
cazalla: defence and welfare are the two biggest costs
pete_dushenski: i now know a few off the top of my head
decimation: that's hardcore, what are the marginal rates?
cazalla: and then your local council strong arms you on top of all that as well
pete_dushenski: i was reading up on the russian tax code this weekend and it's completely fucking reasonable.
pete_dushenski: is there also province/state tax on top?
cazalla: there is talk of raising it due to budget shortfalls despite the government that brough it in promising the legislation would never allow for such a thing to occur
decimation: amusing: http://aworkinglibrary.com/writing/the-conformity-of-lawns/index.html << " As William Levitt himself promised his government patrons, “No man who owns his own house and lot can be a Communist. He has too much to do.” He meant this quite literally." << the nature of modern us 'home ownership'
kakobrekla: Shabnam Ansar i don't understand a lot of stuff you say, nevertheless i read them all... you are just so amazing n my role model
kakobrekla: as far as i gathered it was ddosing one at a time before ratpoison - it jumped to the last one joining. now it just adds to stack.
kakobrekla: one of the two co-authors of trezor
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ben_vulpes: promises by someone out of the wot are to be taken seriously? :P
kakobrekla: i can try the waters
cazalla: gameboy app tells me there were 9 people there but i only saw the reps so like i said, it's an autists dream come true
cazalla: dunno why they even had reps there, gameboy picks up the items automatically over wireless, they could've just left their gameboy on the counter and had customers walk up to it, do a 360 and then walk out the shops
cazalla: mats_cd03: too quick to burn bridges is all i'm saying <<< i gave him the opportunity but then he started with the gaw miners, altcoins are legit cause he made money with it
cazalla: decimation, why would you ask me if i went there? i don't get it
decimation: http://www.electronica.de/ << the 'world's biggest' electronics trade fair. probably not consumer or games focused though
decimation: nintendo has pretty much gone downhill since the 'NES'
cazalla: if you have full blown autism, nintendo run the best events, you don't have say shit or look at anyone to collect the promo items they give away
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I said systemd was a fungus. I agree, I don't see how this kind of thing is tolerable. Politically, I think Linus is up against a wall to some degree, because he knows redhat, inc pays for most of the kernel 'zeks'
decimation: re: Opera << i use the webkit based one, probably offers little protection against firefox based attacks
adlai: the macbook pro I used at my last office job still boots into dvorak and has to manually be switched to qwerty, last I checked
adlai: oh you'd actually rearrange the keys?
asciilifeform experimented with dvorak a few times over the years, found that he doesn't enter enough human language text to make the effort worthwhile
asciilifeform: also helps to have f-keys in 'godly' position (to the left of 'ctrl' rather than on top of kbd)
adlai: amazingly, it looks as though these dongles are NOT encrypting the keys before sending them to the printer, so my fears aren't totally crazy
kakobrekla: well you get a new one without the wifi and when done printing blend it with Blendtec and throw dust in magma
adlai: maybe my priorities are misplaced, but one huge problem I saw with the whole entropy thingy is... the printer
asciilifeform: not enough to bake their crap into mainstream linux distos. needs to be in mainstream kernel.
asciilifeform: they want universal dependence (yes)
asciilifeform: the poettering strategy is not an enigma of any kind.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, other users of 'opera' - which one do you use? the 1990s close-source turd? or the 'new, impr0v3d' idiocy that uses 'webkit' (chrome) rendering engine ?
asciilifeform: (not sure why he turned that thread into an article, but there it is)
kakobrekla: adlai there are pages of bashing of that thing in logs
asciilifeform: ^ the sram thing
adlai: "Secure Bitcoin Live USB key for offline transactions" (I didn't click the link, just reacting to the title)
asciilifeform: packaging their turdware in this form gives it a 'hardware' perfume.
kakobrekla: wait whut, they diss usb but support wifi ?
asciilifeform: the 'do-ocracy' does what it does best: does.
ben_vulpes: fuel for the fire
asciilifeform: what to make it from - is up to the maker. delay-line spool, if you like.
asciilifeform: i bring up sram as concession to the fact that the hypothetical calculator discussed earlier needs a small working memory
kakobrekla: there it is
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they were (or claimed to be) distilling bit flip errors from sram at room temperature
kakobrekla: yes but i cant recall what were they doing
asciilifeform: with no flashable components of any kind whatsoever therein.
kakobrekla: in theory.
asciilifeform: i'll repeat - dedicated gizmo wherein to crunch the bignums - useful. store keys - no thanks.
asciilifeform: the reason i even bothered to respond to the trezor thing is to share the hypothesis that all of the available products are dumb because the problem they are 'solving' - is dumb.
punkman: asciilifeform: doubt they will open source it
asciilifeform: punkman: and where are the circuit and firmware source for this one ?
punkman: I don't get their whole recovery seed, pin codes, password mess
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: not in the pcb shots i saw. last time i gave a damn.
kakobrekla: is there some physical button to enable upgrade ?
asciilifeform: punkman: i am still not able to find a copy of the actual code actually running on the physical device.
kakobrekla: which are the first ones to go
kakobrekla: myea its worse than it thought this. a well, lucky for them btc has no chargeback!
asciilifeform: if these are not available, we shall be needing a new 'homo cryptographicus' who can
asciilifeform: the beautifully dark cream-your-pants future of 'shall be delivered' is not attainable until folks learn to remember serious keys (yes, remember. with head.)
ben_vulpes: presumably the upgrade can be forced upon one by nef4ri0s micr0
punkman: they did ship buggy firmware before
kakobrekla: unless i already melted into the box here
punkman: all kinds of madness in there
punkman: asciilifeform: you got their website and download signed firmware, which is then pushed to device by way of browser plugin
kakobrekla: i will not tell them "this is 100% secure"
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: those will be going to people who run winblows and possibly a webwallet << if these are dear friends, think again before helping to culture a dangerous sense of false security.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: and i still stand by the statement.
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> if you are pwned while using 'brainwallets', simply shows that your brain is defective < no need to test this hypothesis the result is known
asciilifeform: with rectocoin, you won't need to take the cyanide. but you'll probably wish you had.
kakobrekla: we just dont understand how the world works
asciilifeform: and destroy the coin.
asciilifeform: where there are 'duress signatures' that are not mathematically distinguishable from genuine spends until broadcast and diffused through network
asciilifeform: (the ultimate logical conclusion of this idea would be the hypothetical thing that is so far the only serious improvement on 'bitcoin fundamentals' i've been able to come up with. that is, 'rectothermcoin')
asciilifeform: so far bitcoin is the only coin that can live -entirely- in a brain, and failure to use this property is a kind of fundamental waste.
asciilifeform: (all the scorn for brainwallets - i say - is enemy disinfo. storing private key in brain is ultimately inescapable, whatever other forms of storage are in use. hard disk? key is - where it is kept, plus decryption keys.)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: use the python tools to do anything with the Trezor << one of these days, someone should explain to me why a gadget like 'trezor' is necessary
ben_vulpes goes back to building the engine hoist
asciilifeform: not really arguing with the let's have garage thing
ben_vulpes: this is not cargo cult deconstruction - this is taking the time to do a thing correctly.
ben_vulpes: similarly, there must be a garage, white sheet on the ground, binder for part numbering and notes.
ben_vulpes: if the barbarian opens the hood and immediately disassembles the engine, what can we expect to happen?
asciilifeform: yes, but opening up the hood and taking the engine apart is a very different order of task than paint.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: actually i stole the chair metaphor (from - forget whom? ted nelson?)
ben_vulpes: overhauling the engine consists of a myriad of turdlets.
asciilifeform: but it will not run again from the paint.
asciilifeform: this is a tremendously annoying mental glitch that i see just about everywhere - from '3d printer' enthusiasts to man-in-space aficionados. it being, the notion that solving myriad 'small, solvable' problems somehow brings us closer to solving the 'big ones' for which we have no angle of approach
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm glad you're here to hold our feet to the fire.
thestringpuller: last time I tried to sync blockchain, the thing just blew up
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, whoever else: after some hours and a restart the thing jumped << if it needs hand-holding for normal operation (including blockchain sync) it isn't a usable gizmo.
asciilifeform: lead crystal << simply a less-leaded version of the (formerly) ubiquitous glass from which crt is made.
asciilifeform: the folks who signed up voluntarily - are, to use the inescapable usaism, 'not the brightest light bulbs at Home Depot' (hardware shop)
asciilifeform: can't think of a more perfect list of folks for the politruks to shoot come day X.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: frost mage, at your fingertips. all you need is a compressor << notably, as depicted in the liquid helium scene in 'stand on zanzibar'
asciilifeform: the undoing of C.. due to its memory unsafety they must decide to either bloat the kernel or suffer the overhead << entirely spurious argument advanced by the poettering folks. 'dbus' is not (to date) used for any application where the context switch overhead would approach detectability, much less really mattering
asciilifeform: dbus in kernel << mega-lol! afaik the (by now universally-known) 'dbus' exploit is still a reliable 'local root escalation' on any and all boxes where the abomination is installed
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asciilifeform: >> the foundations 10btc should be spent on japanese toilets <<
kakobrekla: the general discussion here also changed a lot over last years
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2014 00:21:33; mats_cd03: the number of newcomers that have become regulars has dwindled massively
assbot: Logged on 30-11-2014 23:54:29; tandacoin: ive used them for ages and hashstaker is going to make so much money it sold out in hours
mats_cd03: the number of newcomers that have become regulars has dwindled massively
adlai: "our planes may be old, but they're also uncomfortable"
cazalla: mats_cd03, not reary, the guy was only trying to get an article up on qntra to pump his own site in all likelihood
nubbins`: "press any button you want except for the one that breaks it"
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> "this is actually the only cockroach in this soup". <<< lel
mats_cd03: cazalla is a little heavy handed with the criticism
cazalla: tandacoin, you run that site with microguy, the goldcoin scammer?
ben_vulpes: jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000014.html << am i doing this right yet?
cazalla: "i've used them for ages, i've made a profit".. famous last words
tandacoin: ive used them for ages and hashstaker is going to make so much money it sold out in hours
cazalla: unless it is relevant to bitcoin itself, example being group abc scam a bunch of btc to start their own scam coin
cazalla: kakobrekla, ben_vulpes, nintendo are holding some pokemon event today, so i gotta go get the eon ticket or i won't be able to catch 'em all
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adlai: tandacoin: it's a web, not word: http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/
cazalla: tandacoin, stick around, i need to finish current article and then head off to a pokemon meetup, speak to BingoBoingo if you cannot wait (if he is around)
mike_c: the swiss scammed gold?
adlai: speaking of markets that close over the weekend, what's the status on that less-painful API for bit4x?
adlai: closing over the weekend is one thing... closing EVERY NIGHT!? crazy
adlai: having been led into the wonderful world of finance from bitcoin, it's funny to see markets that don't trade 24/7
kakobrekla: the consequence of market closing over weekend
adlai: opening below the last low, not even making it up
kakobrekla: you mean the gap?
adlai: is there some name for that last candle?
adlai throws the first version away, anyways.
adlai: although it has the patches in the wrong order so to do it properly would require starting from scratch anyways
ben_vulpes: adlai: vcs can be used for collaboration and the cooking up of patches, but the publically distributed stuff's gotta be a vanilla source tree and patches.
adlai: considering the reasons behind this opposition, and a bit of research, led me to the conclusion that darcs should be used for this, or no vcs, but probably not git
adlai: kakobrekla: well there was some active opposition to using vcs for this project
kakobrekla: the least
mircea_popescu: the sort that lick you after ?
kakobrekla: and the foundations 10btc should be spent on japanese toilets
ben_vulpes orders foamed wheat and corn product for delivery so that he can stay at the computer
kakobrekla: these lisp guys ... 'nobody submited a patch in 4 and a half minuts...!' and 'only one download first day' is 'project dead dood'
adlai: oh I deleted that since it seemed there was no interest in using it
ben_vulpes: mwell then
jurov: better than "therealbitcoin" at any rate
kakobrekla: anyway still waiting for you to spit out the format for builds notifications
mircea_popescu: if only they called it "supaplex" or something
mircea_popescu: it was a great game plagued by the generic name
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mircea_popescu: nothing up here but trees and bears, no jobs, no high speed internet to speak of, can't even get decent cell service up here. Though for the day! Having my own t-3 pipe put in, and then I can offer real high speed internet. This is not the place to live if you are a high end gamer......... << lol real german angry kid up there.
ben_vulpes: it would be cool if assbot could watch the jenkins rss
ben_vulpes: "here, hold these electrodes."
cazalla: kakobrekla, he is/was into the church scam
cazalla: ben_vulpes, ya check it http://www.yelp.com.au/user_details?userid=53xyObUd9EVv3EoTzORuvg he deleted the same review off google plus
cazalla: adlai: josh garza's previous scam: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/canaan-vt/THJFBNV4MIFIR075C <<< the guy tells lies faster than anyone on this planet can fact check, not worthwhile pursuing, it's easy to punch holes in his gawminer shit, i'm sure some other scammers will soon come to collect his scammed funds
mircea_popescu: "this is actually the only cockroach in this soup".
kakobrekla: It is actually the only security weakness of a Ledger Wallet. It is very important to initialize your wallet on a secure computer.
kakobrekla: just ordered 6 of them, will see how this goes.
kakobrekla: punkman im quoting here > You can use the python tools to do anything with the Trezor, but there's no user interface for (most of) it currently.
mircea_popescu: <adlai> we're running out of these webby names << yeah, too hard to keepy addy y to namseys
ben_vulpes: i explained to the business partner last night why the full test loop could be as long as two weeks
ben_vulpes: let's be clear tho - that's a failing build, and i've not backported any of the tests yet.
punkman: can you trezor without the web2.0?
nubbins`: it's been sitting on a piano bench in the box i received it in for a few months now because there's nowhere for it to go
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: i'm a bit surprised you're not holding onto it for another decade
nubbins`: if anyone wanted to extend an offer, now'd be the time
nubbins`: but FYI, i'm negotiating a price with a buyer now for my genesis block newspaper (the times jan 3 2009)
adlai: we're running out of these webby names
adlai: so there's also http://readsy.net/ "inspired by Spritz before developers could sign up" but it's a little rough around the edges
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kakobrekla: i decided ill equip the bitcoin newbs with trezors for new years gifts
nubbins`: if anyone's looking for an xmas gift that probably won't get to you by the 25th
ben_vulpes: off the cuff, cpu trying to get a lock at 252450
kakobrekla: well i have a copy of the chan at 200k
kakobrekla: im doing this on a vps instance with 512 mb ram, cpulimit @ 5% and killing & restarting the thing every 6 or so hours
kakobrekla suspects you do not have to go fron scratch - when i got stuck and added the settings it looked pretty bleak for some time, but after some hours and a restart the thing jumped.
adlai: "squatters" may not apply when the troll in question also collected the tinder and set the kindling himself, but they do seem quite set on artificially limiting the values for a single parameter in clientside code
adlai: they have free accounts but you need to register
adlai wouldn't pay for any such technology that couldn't cope with figures in the text
kakobrekla: wait what they want you to pay?
adlai: it's also a little nefarious that they want registration for any speed outside their narrow little free zone
kakobrekla is certainly not one of them
adlai: it's far from ideal, but I can imagine much better ways of integrating the "spritz" window with a wider view of the text (or an outline)
adlai is too far from the UI world to do anything on this front, but it's a cool idea
adlai: and today we learned the origin of his current scam's name!
kakobrekla: so i kinda gave them a pass on this topcoin bs
kakobrekla: i like their no bs backend interface
kakobrekla: As More New GTLDs Launch & The Marketplace Gets More Competitive, Registries Increasingly Will Turn To Promotional Discounts And Registrar Rebate Programs To Sell More Domain Names. The Problem With Discounts Is That They Devalue Your String, And The Problem With Rebates Is They Often Are Not Passed On To Registrants.
PinkPosixPXE: another altcoin it seems.. 'top' as in 'top level domain/tld' is my guess ? hrm
kakobrekla: yes topcoin. some fake crypto currency pegged (?) to a dollar at some registrars. they give it away for free.
mircea_popescu: "We now accept TopCoin" what the shit is a topcoin
PinkPosixPXE: twitter handles are becoming the new domain names to 'camp' on and resell
kakobrekla: there wasnt much choice left for "b-a"
mircea_popescu: "Still, with a small $10 registration fee, and the fact that I need fodder for this blog, I decided to venture out and try my luck with .link. Of the 11 I found available, I decided that only six were really worth the gamble."
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mircea_popescu: http://domainnamewire.com/2014/04/15/register-new-tld/ << "domainers" waking up to the idea.
mircea_popescu: myeah with all the new tlds i expect per domain registration to drop around $1
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kakobrekla: btw theres a shorhand domain for ba stuff now, http://l.b-a.link , http://s.b-a.link and so on
PinkPosixPXE: The stats look great, for a nice straight forward numerical trending display
PinkPosixPXE: he's tiny, if i tried to jog him around a track he'd be exhausted 1/4 of the way through
mircea_popescu: also... priscilla queen of the desert ? :D
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PinkPosixPXE: perhaps with my friends come over tonight to have treats, cider, and hang out by the fire/watch something, I will throw this on :)
PinkPosixPXE: these are awesome comedians
PinkPosixPXE: oh the dog competition hehe
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PinkPosixPXE: ;;later tell mod6 slimmed down and updated :) see comments about modifications, or viewing with a 4char indent. Tested 5 times or so, worked great. Let me konw if you need anything fixed tomorrow! https://gist.github.com/thelinuxgirl/0b5666d0bc889cc04648
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/minigame-smg-november-2014-statement/ << pretty major, includes sneak peaks into flora/fauna and loads of other stuff.
cazalla: well, the moneybookers tweet fooled at least one news site http://newsbtc.com/2014/11/26/skrill-fuels-speculation-bitcoin-tweet/
mircea_popescu: in no case anything like "an immense horde of absolutely nil idiots expect everyone to believe the world exists to serve them"
mircea_popescu: and if you make a business, you didn't make that business. and really the political problems of the us are whether black dudes pee correctly and how someone drew a cartoon character's tits.
mircea_popescu: "I think you make an excellent point, but all these cases are examples of guys who got a seat on a rocket and were pretty ruthless about who else got to ride."
mircea_popescu: it takes astute practical thinkers like the buffett of the 70s and turns them into "i believe in america and carbon tax credits!" sort of al gore marionette.
mircea_popescu: it takes a graham as he was in the 80s and produces the barely cognizant empty shell that will make junior-high level errors in his ill thought out essays.
mircea_popescu: jesus the sort of brainrot. see kids, i have another reason to crack down on socialism, and an additional argument to use when I do : socialism makes you stupid.