mircea_popescu: there are incredibly many problems with this. kinda why html is so hated
adlai: this could work better in tandem with something(s) that archives the page itself
punkman: the service would notarize the fact that on X date, the contents were something that hashes to Y hash
adlai: if the data you hash includes a timestamp
adlai: the page will never verify
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah but also other options. screenshots or WARC can also be done.
mircea_popescu: it'd be a great thing, page verification, but so many things can fuck it up. like, any page that includes the current time. a theme upgrade.
punkman: while we're on the topic, I want to make a service that fetches a URL, hashes contents, and then bundles and notarizes those. thoughts?
mircea_popescu: i don't see them here.
adlai: how do you know I haven't told them about him?
adlai: (from the paper)
adlai: punkman: "Assuming each of these transactions includes a miner fee of 0.1 mbits (millibits), this would cost the proprietor 36.5 mbits a year."
adlai: probably the lizard schutzstaffel
adlai won't look at those until they're on bloomberg (due to customer demand)
mircea_popescu: it's a key part of the survival OF WOMEN
adlai actually heard the words "they said it in the factory tour, so it's probably true" a few days ago
adlai: nubbins`: aka the idiot tax
nubbins`: the forum is riddled with stories of scammers preying on group buys by PMing people saying "hey its me, adlai`, plz to send btc to 1Scamblahblah"
mircea_popescu: and in so doing provides the perfect pill against the hearn idiocy of "let's import heardbleed into btc
nubbins` puts on a t-shirt with his home address and times when he will be away from his house, then goes to buy drugs w/ gold coins
adlai: well it also gives transparency, as long as the people looking in trust that the business uses only those addresses
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2014 14:37:30; adlai: how? reuse ties two transactions together as having been signed by the same entity. this is OK for eg a business wanting to operate transparently, but less so for an individual wanting privacy
mircea_popescu: bitbet does the same thing, it reuses addresses liberally.
mircea_popescu: yeah nubbins has it. there's a difference here.
nubbins`: "but if all the movies go into the bin behind the movie return slot, how will they know who is returning their movies?"
mircea_popescu: the key to escaping responsibility if being one of a group that did whatever. the way to implement this in bitcoin is through address reuse.
nubbins`: secnario 3: adlai and nubs each send a tx to 1mpexblahblah. they send their change wherever they like.
mircea_popescu: "adlai, you are charged before this court with high crimes of having derped on the internet in a forbidden manner"
adlai: scenario 2 - alice creates a transaction paying 1btc to one address, and 1btc to another. it's not trivial to tell (just from the transactions) which address belongs to whom.
mircea_popescu: explain, because the logic doesn't follow.
adlai: how? reuse ties two transactions together as having been signed by the same entity. this is OK for eg a business wanting to operate transparently, but less so for an individual wanting privacy
mircea_popescu: not reusing addresses is a bad idea ; reusing them makes them more ambiguous, which is good.
mircea_popescu: they're separate clauses.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as a general point : breaking the address <-> user relation is the most important thing to do for bitcoin's success on an individual level.
adlai: and when you're high enough, what's hashing if not a lookup in the database of MATHEMATICS ITSELF
adlai suspected something of the sort, but hasn't yet received his jump-to-conclusions mat
adlai: "recipient correctly hashes to it" missing piece of the puzzle
mircea_popescu: so it looks if it sent a mail for that amount. if it does and the recipient correctly hashes to it, it sends it an email with teh code.
adlai: server restarts for whatever reason, first thing it sees on startup is a payment with some amount of dust. how does it know which customer was issued that specific dust request, before the reboot?
adlai: you don't need a database to associate pending payments to their dust amount?
mircea_popescu: adlai anything can happen, but if you don't need a database you have less exposure to the things that can happen.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile using a single address has no cost associated, other than you know, one particular string of eight digits as opposed to another particular string of eight digits.
mircea_popescu: as kraken found out the hard way.
mircea_popescu: it also happens to be the wrong thing. it makes it easier for ~everyone~, which is bad for user privacy. it requires more complexity, which costs money and opens the door to errors
adlai mutters something about the benefits of address reuse
mircea_popescu: anyway, that was the van network, it was actuve for like a month.
adlai: suffice it to say that it's one of the zillion worthless "bitcoin startups"
adlai: why would you have a "featured in" section with images of newspapers, but no links to the actual article!?
adlai: first time I didn't mention it, second time I mentioned it but it was back by the time you asked "wonky how"
mircea_popescu: (also, swol is not missing, just, nothing there)
adlai: they don't all display on the main page, sometimes all do, sometimes one or two missing. sometimes they're missing from the asset page too.
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nubbins`: https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/a-flower-hints-at-the-appearance-of-an-extinct-bee/
nubbins`: there are species that still imitate the appearance of their once-favoured pollinators, now long extinct
adlai: or rather, he's only looking at one *psychoactive* plant, and he's looking at it from the plant's perspective
adlai: punkman: haven't seen this before. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Botany_of_Desire ) it's not quite what I was describing, though
adlai: there is no fooling him
adlai: this is a bit of an extreme example, and some people would claim that humans get something out of the relationship, ie, psychoactive plants are symbiotic, not parasites
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adlai: elaborating on the earlier theme of addiction being brilliant for plants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis
nubbins`: oh hey, the EU banned 25I-NBOMe in september
adlai: well erowid doesn't accept btc in the same way as those guys :)
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nubbins`: is that the dream one?
nubbins`: i think i bought some HBWR seeds from there
nubbins`: was surprised to see them still running
nubbins`: ordered from them ages ago
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2014 13:09:41; mircea_popescu: so this is the drug of dog ?
nubbins`: we actually sold out on saturday and now there's like 25 on backorder
punkman: *another decade, not keen on smoking salvia any time soon
nubbins`: 500F is the max
nubbins`: well there ya go
nubbins`: "Based on my own experiments using an adjustable thermocouple-controlled heat gun, I found that the ideal airstream temperature for vaporizing salvinorin A from dried leaves is approximately 277° C"
nubbins`: then you lose yourself
nubbins`: then generally the room/space/forest/whatever would fill with a heavy static buzz, upward from the ground
nubbins`: is generally how the come-up was for me
mircea_popescu: so this is the drug of dog ?
nubbins`: punkman the DROOL
nubbins`: telling them it's okay
nubbins`: 5 minutes later, wiping tears off their face
nubbins`: v hard on the lungs
nubbins`: plain leaf requires the inhalation of plumes of smoke
nubbins`: the concentrates are better / easier
nubbins`: i don't want the responsibility
mircea_popescu: well if there's no argument on that point, then there's no argument on the "watch the clouds" point either
nubbins`: however, i'd taken relatively large doses of several different hallucinogens by the time i discovered salvia
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: certainly, and there's no argument on that point.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im merely bringing the argument that an inclination to be impressed with what one sees and a tendency to get excited about what's directly seen is more a thing of youth than a thing of humanity.
mircea_popescu: seems to me if high temperature is required the correct approach is not a butane torch but a thermostat hotplate.
mircea_popescu: "they're superman nao!"
nubbins`: otherwise, little to no effects, mostly uncomfortable physical feelings
mircea_popescu: some people get really elated watching theatre. heck, most 9yos spend the rest of the day doing weirdo dance move things after their first action movie experience.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the vaporization point of salvinorin is far higher than the temperature of the cherried, smouldering plant. you can quite easily "smoke it wrong".
punkman: can be hard to get the right dose
mats_cd03: ive never felt that fucked up on anything other than salvia
mircea_popescu: and for that money, you could probably have the same results if you just sat on your back and watched the clouds go by long enough
nubbins`: salvia just drops you into another place entirely. you're not sitting on your bed looking at your bedside table, you're in the produce section of the grocery store watching people smell your colors
nubbins`: i experienced complete synesthesia once on it
adlai: maybe a few don't, but nobody listens to them anymore
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they pretend like it's painful... but it's not.
adlai: addiction is brilliant, for the plants
adlai: "TV is the first electric drug... somebody else's trip, plus advertisements" - mckenna
nubbins`: iirc salvinorin is actually the most potent naturally-occuring drug
mircea_popescu: love is the logic antidrug
adlai has never tried verified salvia, the one time somebody brought over "salvia" it was more similar to expired mint leaves, and about as potent
nubbins`: srsly, lighting plants on fire and breathing the smoke? ;/
mircea_popescu: shall there be no end of this "i smoke oregano the older kids sold to me as a mockery BECAUSE I ENJOY IT!"
nubbins`: but otherwise?
nubbins`: there are benefits?
mircea_popescu: "oxycodone : how the idiot generation is getting all the drawbacks of opioid dosing with none of the benefits"
adlai: it's the gateway pill!
nubbins`: most of the addicts here are on pharms
adlai: there are also reasons outside pharmacology
mircea_popescu: "i'm in love with X, manifested by the fact that whenever there's no naked swimsuit models splayed on my bedspread, i fuck X"
nubbins`: people will choose filet mignon over a big mac, doesn't mean they're not picking up mcd's every day on the ride home
adlai: *ethoxymethyl ether
adlai: can we fill the third bowl with salvinorin B?
nubbins`: fentanyl is in the 50-100 range
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's more of a cargo-cultapproach to this science ("i know it's strong because this is how the doctors use it")
nubbins`: well there ya go.
nubbins`: suppose i told you that oxycodone is 1.5x the strength?
adlai: there are still poppy tea addicts today, too
mircea_popescu: oxycodone is an "opiate" in the sense your average 300 lb social sciences postgrad is a "woman"
nubbins`: their is three errors in this sentance
nubbins`: lel @ their ;/
nubbins`: let me try another tack
mircea_popescu: "most people report sun and moon visibly the same size to naked eye"
adlai: well being addicted to the rush is a whole separate beast
mircea_popescu: what do these holy users of all-knowing importance report of the difference between windows and ubuntu ?
nubbins`: "once the initial buzz or hit has worn down, most addicts report that their is little to no difference between H or Oxycodone"
mircea_popescu: punkman back when i was that age, idiots snorted powdered sugar, to pretend like they're whatever.
mircea_popescu: sure, they both got wheels. o.O
mircea_popescu: the oxycodone aka heorin argument sounds to me like a hipster's bike aka armored persone carrier argument
punkman: or all the retarded kids that crush up ritalin and snort it
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adlai: iirc pain pills are the most-addicted-to drug in bezzland, followed by mood pills
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punkman: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/2/4795430/amidst-silk-roads-takedown-topix-still-a-haven-for-drug-dealers
punkman: or rather was
mircea_popescu: cazalla ^ perspective for teh next time lol. it didn't occur to me back then
mircea_popescu: "feds close down 5 dedicated bitcoin-based drug trading sites, accounting together for <1% of online drug trade. the principal drug trading hub online, facebook, remains unaffected"
mircea_popescu: one shouldn't be rejected merely because he is allegedly of the wrong gender.
mircea_popescu: i hope the rainbow party doesn't stop with the gay marriage victory and goes to the core of the problem.
mircea_popescu: so i was thinking, aren't these dating sites and dating generally completely inequitable ?
cazalla: least they can do is unban, allow me to make threats, reapply ban
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cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/michael-mizrachi-aka-the-grinder-to-launch-bitcoin-based-poker-site/ i can just see one of these donking off player funds in some degen moment
mircea_popescu: and one of those rare situations where there's more buyside than the whole equity, by a wide margin. even if you discount the penny offers.
mircea_popescu: lol the cuteness.
cazalla: still not a peep out of bitpay despite their promise that this years bitcoin black friday would be bigger than previous year
cazalla: mircea_popescu: the proper way to say it about a negative is "this excludes" or "this accounts for". so which of the two ? <<< will keep in mind for december
mircea_popescu: the proper way to say it about a negative is "this excludes" or "this accounts for". so which of the two ?
BingoBoingo: Once the new congress comes in in January they'll probably find something to latch on to.
mircea_popescu: can i now impeach obama on the basis of some sex tapes in which he's fucking his daughters ?
mircea_popescu: "He said the US had refused to supply the content of the electronic communications on which many of the allegations were made."
mircea_popescu: not even, they got raped by some script kiddy group lol.
BingoBoingo: Totally, and this is who the MPAA is losing to.
mircea_popescu: apparently mpaa is doing so well in its war with the internet, it reminds one of the glory of the us military in the middle and far east.
mircea_popescu: The theft of Sony Pictures Entertainment content is a criminal matter, and we are working closely with law enforcement to address it, a Sony spokeswoman said in a statement to Variety.
mircea_popescu: dude the world's gone to shit.
mircea_popescu: ew what the shit variety.
cazalla: because there comes a point where i can make more working mcdonalds and using mcbucks to buy btc instead of qntra to btc for my efforts
mircea_popescu: what i mean specifically : the site is generating excellent revenue as it is. none of which is monetary.
cazalla: so what is the solution/plan, the site is going into its third month, it would be nice to generate some revenue even if it is only a small amount
cazalla: yeah, various authors so there is your cheap content to publish constantly
mircea_popescu: these people are beyond fucking clueless btw, im half tempted to write an article.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, take a case like eva peron : prostitute at 15, singer/dancer at 17,
mircea_popescu: problem is like this : advertising is association. think of it like a woman (the publisher) getting married (the advertiser).
cazalla: maybe i'll whack up a sponsorship page outlining the demographics per quantcast
mircea_popescu: course that raises the problem of wtf are great numbers.
mircea_popescu: i don't think we even bother selling it until it shows great numbers and they come bangin' on the door.
mircea_popescu: you want to be on qntra, you pay to be on qntra. let all the coin* sites have the "we'll do your job for you" deals.
cazalla: yes, so i vote we remove the advert and offer spots per cpm
mircea_popescu: so wait, out of the 10k uniques quantcast reports for a whole month that leaves like 4k people, of which ~80 clicked ?
cazalla: was the 20th so not even 2 weeks but still
cazalla: mircea_popescu, no, about 1/2 the month if that
mircea_popescu: cazalla did it actually run the whole month ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, as a general policy it's ok to take per-conversion deals with things that for whatever good reason sell themselves.
cazalla: prolly shitcan the coinroll advert
mircea_popescu: one of the more wow upsets on bitbet.
pete_dushenski: canada is just choosing the path of least resistance and will continue to do so
decimation: well, because maybe they can charge gst on chinese tankers or whatever
pete_dushenski: so, why bother?
decimation: my point was less about the enfields and more about the 'barely-exists' nature of canada's military, when compared to potential rivals in the arctic
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decimation: asciilifeform: well, what about a rifle system that was designed from the ground up to work in very cold conditions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_International_Arctic_Warfare
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pete_dushenski: i was thinking more along the lines of...
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pete_dushenski: i wonder what they're going to slap the dogecoin android miner guy with. 1 trillion doge!
asciilifeform: serious technical question. how exactly might one improve on a 1890s rifle in the given application (almost never fired; when fired - typically, at large land animals (hence, want full sized cartridge); extreme cold; etc
pete_dushenski: "A US man has been handed a US$500,000 fine for selling the StealthGenie malware in the first prosecution of a mobile spyware slinger. Police collared Hammad Akbar, 31, in September after he allegedly sold the malware to an undercover agent in 2012."
pete_dushenski: canada also relies largely on southern neighbour's big stick
asciilifeform: decimation: i don't get it. with what 'modern' thing would you have them replace the 'enfields', and why ?
decimation: they had 'dances from around greater polynesia'
pete_dushenski: not "anyone" rather "anyone here"
decimation: don't get me wrong, lee-enfields are fine guns, but canada has the skills and money to invest in a more modern arctic gun, and apparently they can't afford it or don't want to
pete_dushenski: speaking of nz, has anyone witnessed the haka live?
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decimation: lol they have lee-enfields
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decimation: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadian-rangers-the-thin-red-line-patrolling-our-harshest-terrain-1.1414341
decimation: well, russia is beating back canada's claims to the arctic, and seemingly doing a good job at it
pete_dushenski: canada is in a similar position in the sense of resource wealth