undata: As far as *why* there aren't intermediate species left, there are plenty of possible answers. One of them might be that early human populations were into cracking competing skulls
undata: danielpbarron: the bible can be wrong all on its own, though science can help
gernika: Anyone who has travelled to Buenos Aires have some recommendations for getting pesos once there? I assume the airport kiosks are total ripoff.
mircea_popescu: dude this playboy interview is one of the stupidest things i ever read.
mircea_popescu: it's a worhtwhile argument that the only reason blacks aren't chimps is that some middle links died off ?!
mircea_popescu: "DAWKINS: No, never. But suppose an intermediate species hadnt gone extinct. Suppose relict populations are discovered in the African jungle. In order to deny chimpanzees rights, you would have to set up apartheid-like courts to decide whether this individual counts as human. Because its a continuum. As a practical matter, the intermediates havent survived, so its possible to give humans basic rights and gi
BingoBoingo: But... can only trust the pravda so much. Prolly from when Obama's great grandfather was sent on a secret mission to assasinate the great reptillian
BingoBoingo: They are guessing confederate
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, it's why we needed a qntra to serve as the billboard next to the city's gates. Gotta put indictments somewhere.
nubbins`: boston, seattle, annapolis on the hunt already ;p
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo omfg check this out, pravda lying about what the un said.
assbot: U.N. panel raps U.S. record on torture, cites Guantánamo | The Miami Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1rPQVWi )
BingoBoingo: Compare and contrast to the Miami Herlad version being passed around http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/guantanamo/article4198431.html
rithm: just means they have a lot of miners mining away
rithm: but iff all they have is a bunch of miners that doesn't imply new coin generation or a pool
mircea_popescu: who's bitmain, the antminer ppl ?
cazalla: 28k bitcoin yet can't point out a single block they've mined
cazalla: "single Bitmain order to GAW worth 5 petahashes per second." <<< he twisted this as their latest order, it was their first because hey, gotta scam the funds first
BingoBoingo: Well, note that they express reservation on the point where GAW never showed them any "virgin" coinbase transactions
mircea_popescu: "In investigating these claims, BitBeat viewed a bitcoin address at Blockchain.info that was cryptographically proven to belong to GAW and in which almost 28,000 bitcoins"
mircea_popescu: http://www.playboy.com/articles/playboy-interview-richard-dawkins << this is the worst indictment of dawkins that could ever be devised, incidentally.
BingoBoingo: Happens, dunno how much news square can be though. Aren't they the derpy tablet dongle company?
rithm: apparently circle has something called circle red, they've just emailed people, and the checkout allows bitcoin
rithm: and scooped the bitcoin world
mircea_popescu: it's the last fucking stand.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i need someone to go there and bring me a coupla affiliate managers.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm closer than alf further than vulpes
asciilifeform: i almost fell down. someone showed me a new intel cpu, and it had the inscription 'vietnam.'
mircea_popescu: maybe petey the pimp is going. yo pete.
rithm: i'm bringing weed, crown royal, lots of blow, and not one change of clothes
mircea_popescu: anyway, who here wants to go to the next porn conference ?
mircea_popescu: i'm sure anyone who cares enough could as well have folloed the gpg sig ?
adlai: too late, it's there alongside robby
cazalla: don't go putting my name in the logs lol
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 12:56:26; nubbins`: mircea_popescu:well if he did nubbins has some 'splainin' to do lol. <<< nope, in fact, i am also mildly perturbed by the fact that i mailed over $4,000 of goods to the guy and we didn't even get a couple measly pictures out of it
adlai: ok, let's say you weren't the only mark... still
adlai: the guy welshed for $500!?
mircea_popescu: just like the entire posters affair.
mircea_popescu: money well spent, because it resolved a particular set of otherwise very pernicious claims.
mircea_popescu: adlai was about 500 bux at the time.
mircea_popescu: put <pre> tags around the text.
adlai has all kinds of things to say about giving 200btc to such a person, although they're founded on initial impressions so he'll keep them to himself
mircea_popescu: as in, you know, rather than book a loss, pretend like it never happened. because if you don't agree it happened, it didn't really happen.
mircea_popescu: kinda shocking for the idiots at the time, because before i did that, everyone just schmoozied with the scamers
mircea_popescu: then i lent him some btc he couldn't repay, specifically for this purpose
rithm: did the starfish pull an exit scam also
mircea_popescu: kept making all sorts of idiotic claims, giving "ratings" and the whole shebang
rithm: the misprioritized time would be devastating
adlai: the name rings a bell, I'm sure google can deliver, if it's really relevant that I know this particular scam (it was a scam, no?)
rithm: i would regret allowing myself to listen to the scammer in the first place, more than the money, it's a gut feeling thing
adlai: this is true, it's quite distressing, this lack of fungibility... I can pay somebody else for their time, but I can't buy mine back
rithm: favorite quote so far: "That's enough money to create a small industry of people whose sole work is just sort of talking about bitcoin all the time."
BingoBoingo: lol, gawker too today http://gawker.com/magical-thinking-bitcoin-gathers-at-disney-1644521971
mircea_popescu: where did they find a pretentious noob blogger to write this typical sort of pretentious noob blogger shit
asciilifeform: i was actually disappointed to learn that the linked piece was not about us.
mircea_popescu: "Over the past few days we have noticed a significant uptick in complaints directed at our help desk about a fraud being perpetrated upon innocent Bitcoin users."
kakobrekla waits the day bitcoin foundation puts out a warning about bitcoin foundation
ben_vulpes is curious as to the total take
mircea_popescu: mike_c well there's this out of business bitbet
BingoBoingo: What, did icbit just pretend to slog along long enough that they won't be down a full month before their Bitbet closes? http://bitbet.us/bet/643/icbit-se-exchange-will-shut-down-in-2014/
mike_c: looks like volume is in the gutter though.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "no black people" thing was funny. i guess cazalla's putting something in the water.
mike_c: 11% to 60% of the time
kakobrekla: most of the time on average
adlai: it's an index relative to the internet average
mircea_popescu: like, if out of the 1bn people on the internet 100mn have kids, and out of the 1000 people on qntra 103 have kids.
mircea_popescu: according to whatever indexes they keep, qntra is above average is all.
mircea_popescu: <adlai> http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/qntra-november-demo.jpg <- interesting that ~half the readership have kids, I'd have expected fewer << that's not what the data says.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: legs weren't made for ballet either. what of it.
mircea_popescu: it's a perpetual and uphill battle to keep them more or less in line with logic
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << elaborate plz << what's to say really ? brains aren't made for thinking specifically anymore than html is made for the web. they just got pressed into this service.
rithm: therealbitcoin.org is easy enough to remember
adlai: 1:10 in the linked video
adlai: best part is when they fucking rotate the picture, I mean... did nobody in the film crew ever hold a fucking camera in their life!?
adlai: hang around bitcoin for long enough and you realized that around these parts, "enhance" is pronounced "hash"
assbot: Michael Mizrachi AKA The Grinder To Launch Bitcoin Based Poker Site | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/12gaBN2 )
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla the blockquote text is borkt on http://qntra.net/2014/12/michael-mizrachi-aka-the-grinder-to-launch-bitcoin-based-poker-site/ << fixed
kakobrekla: idk what easier to remember the raw ip or that url
rithm: ;;rate mod6 1 Deserves a token rating even though bitcoin foundation rocks the cocks
mod6: ah. ok. rithm, you do realize that gavin & the power-rangers derpation thingy is different than ours tho right?
gribble: User 'jcpham', with keyid C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, fingerprint F7299BD73879E866613EAB24C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, and bitcoin address 157CrafPv8oGC7f5vVFuLnE1BgDYUND4hq, registered on Fri Nov 11 12:21:29 2011, last authed on Mon Dec 1 10:26:41 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=jcpham . Currently authenticated from hostmask rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick.
adlai: Dawkins... thought the future war among the different atheists sects, which he felt had "a certain amount of truth in it"... reminded him of the Judean People's Front and the People's Front of Judea
gribble: User 'rithm', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1FmiRARq96daxufSYKQM6SHDjwagV1J5XN, registered on Tue Apr 1 16:20:33 2014, last authed on Wed Jul 16 11:52:05 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=rithm . Currently not authenticated.
adlai: tl;dw: three competing organizations wage endless war in the distant future: Allied Atheist Alliance, United Atheist Alliance, and Unified Atheist League
adlai: there are probably better ways to watch that clip/episode, but I definitely can't send you a url to an external HD that isn't even connected
kakobrekla: one hears something moving, points the gun in the dark and asks "who are you? are you with the bitcoin foundation?"
kakobrekla: i see, two soldiers from opposing foundation forces find themselfs in a pitch dark room.
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mod6!~mod6@unaffiliated/mod6 . User mod6, rated since Mon Oct 10 16:26:38 2011. Cumulative rating 46, from 25 total ratings. Received ratings: 25 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 28 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mod6
PinkPosixPXE: ;;rate ben_vulpes 1 Great work done for the Bitcoin Foundation : http://f9beb4d9.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000015.html
PinkPosixPXE: ;;rate mod6 2 Great collaboration and work done for the Bitcoin Foundation : http://f9beb4d9.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000015.html
pete_dushenski: ^sorta hard to "prove" they have kids
adlai: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/qntra-november-demo.jpg <- interesting that ~half the readership have kids, I'd have expected fewer
kakobrekla: if you take out convenience factor completely theres is plenty of solutions
adlai: but they can work fairly well for storing it
pete_dushenski: and guessed by who, what? is another question
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform to the extent that the vast majority fall into one of those two camps, maybe that'd be the defective element
mod6: No problem. Thank /you/ for putting that together. :]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: seems to me like he was of the 'brainwallet can be guessed' school of thought. i disagree. if yours can be guessed, you are either lazy or stupid
mod6: ;;rate PinkPosixPXE 2 Wrote a script for The Bitcoin Foundation contained in this document: http://f9beb4d9.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000015.html
gribble: You rated user PinkPosixPXE on Wed Oct 22 13:06:41 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Helped me out testing ben_vulpes install script..
pete_dushenski: maybe in the sense that brains aren't rational computers of ev ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all brains are defective, is the thing << elaborate plz
PinkPosixPXE: 17:31 #bitcoin-assets: <+ben_vulpes> PinkPosixPXE's downright neat <<< Thanks! You are awesome as well, and thank you for the rating! :) I'm really glad my contribution helped out, happy to help any time :)
assbot: The World According to AmericanGoy: Pushy Israelis in Every American Mall ... ( http://bit.ly/1yaNK2y )
adlai is referring to the national pastime, http://americangoy.blogspot.co.il/2008/10/pushy-israelis-in-every-american-mall.html
adlai: I doubt people would be proud of such kickbacks, but shame doesn't stop people from peddling shit from carts in malls all over the world... this is just a few steps further, a few degrees further on the frog-boiling scale
mircea_popescu: aren't they ?
adlai: fb's "Promoted Stories" are but a step towarsd the inevitable endgame: kickbacks for product placement in casual conversation
ben_vulpes: re qntra advertising: advertising is downright wacky. the numbers say "don't do it" and yet people are constantly doing it.
pete_dushenski: right. just a new update and all that goodness is out the window or what?
mircea_popescu: the king's bounty thing
pete_dushenski: then he went all "wtf my head hurts"
assbot: iPad King's Bounty, the strategy guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z90BPZ )
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lulzy the confused reaction of a social media dude taken out of the eco chamber.
assbot: The Russian-European deadlock - Counting the Cost - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8Zobh )
mats_cd03: http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/countingthecost/2014/11/russian-european-deadlock-2014113071046562676.html << bets on when Putin lets 'em freeze for a few weeks?
nubbins`: wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, says 9-35%
mircea_popescu: argentines are striking against the INTRODUCTION of income tax.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: there is talk of raising it due to budget shortfalls despite the government that brough it in promising the legislation would never allow for such a thing to occur << typical of ALL TAXES EVER
mircea_popescu: Headlines Tesla Stock To Lift Off After Battery Rechargeat Forbes(Mon 1:05AM EST) Demand For Tesla Is Not The Problem, Switching The World To Electric Cars Isat Forbes(Sun, Nov 30) TeslaInvestor's Business Daily(Fri, Nov 28) NVIDIA wants to increase its presence in big data through TeslaMarket Realist(Fri, Nov 28) Tesla Is On The Right Track To Doubleat Forbes(Fri, Nov 28)
gribble: devthedev was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 11 hours, 11 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <devthedev> https://twitter.com/DevinSenaUI/status/534733650349535233
nubbins`: ;;seen devthedev
nubbins`: seen devthedev
jurov: dunno if there's bip32/trezor support in any noobish standalone client.. last i checked electrum was under development
assbot: Logged on 30-11-2014 20:23:56; nubbins`: but FYI, i'm negotiating a price with a buyer now for my genesis block newspaper (the times jan 3 2009)
adlai slinks off to splash about in the depthless swamp of website construction
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Michael Mizrachi AKA The Grinder To Launch Bitcoin Based Poker Site | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8NyOv )
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla the blockquote text is borkt on http://qntra.net/2014/12/michael-mizrachi-aka-the-grinder-to-launch-bitcoin-based-poker-site/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, other users of 'opera' - which one do you use? the 1990s close-source turd? or the 'new, impr0v3d' idiocy that uses 'webkit' (chrome) rendering engine ? <<< they only moved to webkit last year, version 15 or something. afaik the last usable versions are 10 something.
adlai: math is more of a thing than most other things
adlai: all this talk is silly, though. the simple answer is to study math, and the real problem is lazyness, rack of dishiprin, etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the 'do-ocracy' does what it does best: does. << haha buncha progres.
mircea_popescu: adlai go read say 1700s treatises on music for a while. either french, italian or german, whatever you speak.
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nubbins`: ;;gettrust devthedev
mircea_popescu: has nothing to do with fancy. contrary to what the uncultured imagine, there's nothing fancy about the products of the spirit.
adlai: and the second level - this is a song about a lawnmower who gets pushed to do fancier things, but he just likes pushing a lawnmower around
adlai: this is an answer on several levels... music plays a rather large role in my life, although the ratio of consumption/production has been too high lately;
jurov: asciilifeform's argument fits better when it's about wielding the sword, not forging it
mircea_popescu: no it doesn't. charlemagne wasn't a blacksmith, and a thousand years later the orleans that WAS a blacksmith made a shitty king
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the beautifully dark cream-your-pants future of 'shall be delivered' is not attainable until folks learn to remember serious keys (yes, remember. with head.) << this is like saying the frankish empire has to wait for people who can make swords. by hand!
adlai: seems more of a tool for digging into other fields, whether a "hard" science, or just making impossible things hard in other endeavors
mircea_popescu: no, but any of the toipics that often come up here could make it up.
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> if you are pwned while using 'brainwallets', simply shows that your brain is defective < no need to test this hypothesis the result is known << all brains are defective, is the thing.
mircea_popescu: the only way a good intellect can be used is through achieving excellent depth in one field, that can then be leveraged in all fields. otherwise, if you never anchor, it'll just mush around
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform keeping the old MIT spirit alive. "what's the most important thing to remember about this great achievement ?"
mircea_popescu: you;'re smart, the problem with you is that you don't know much.
assbot: Michael Mizrachi AKA The Grinder To Launch Bitcoin Based Poker Site | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1z8NyOv )
adlai: cazalla: you missed a spot, over in http://qntra.net/2014/12/michael-mizrachi-aka-the-grinder-to-launch-bitcoin-based-poker-site/
kakobrekla: i'd loive to hear your take on that ? < well my take is that i used to be one of the smart people on the chan and now im one of the stupid
mircea_popescu: well... there's good reason for that.
adlai is not enough of a classics scholar to debate this much further
adlai: apodidaction = away/apart from the process of teaching
mircea_popescu: adlai speaking of which, i wonder how many people who use "i have no words" in their apology realise the irony.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the undoing of C.. due to its memory unsafety they must decide to either bloat the kernel or suffer the overhead << entirely spurious argument advanced << no but address the actual point rather than the idiots putting it forth.
adlai: cross the two and you get an unteachable idiot
mircea_popescu: http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/e2c17ca8e5cb72b7c1f3d2d57561ad10?s=85&d=monsterid&r=G << no way that's actually the author ?
mircea_popescu: "Does it have money or financial mental associations, or even slight links, for example, Luckycoin is for luck, that is necessary to become rich, Mooncoin means Moon, and the Moon drives ocean waters and financial flows (as assumed in financial astrology) plus to the moon means also price growing process
And MEOW, or BBQ coins have no these associations at all)."
mircea_popescu: some esl kid on the fringe of culture nevertheless believes that "as a Category", X "shouldn't be fun".
mircea_popescu: so bizarre this. deconstructing it, pretty much the only takeaway is whoa, check out the puritans!
mircea_popescu: "So lets try to build a rating of the cryptocurrency names of real coins, based on various criteria: Brightness. Seriousness of name (as a currency, the name shouldnt be fun). Whether the name is conceptual (makes sense, dedicated to ideas), or not."
adlai: I guess tacking an X on the end is an insignificant improvement?
mircea_popescu: "Name Most Important. But it was quite unexpected that the name of the coin does play the most important role over the long term, since its the only one thing from the five features, mentioned above, that cannot be changed, or significantly improved."
mircea_popescu: i certainly do the same with most things.
adlai: it seems that the general cycle is that these people hear about bitcoin, learn a tiny bit about it, and park it in the back of their mind for a few years
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: the general discussion here also changed a lot over last years << i'd loive to hear your take on that ?
adlai has met a few intelligent people who have heard about bitcoin but are taking their time learning about it
mircea_popescu: what's left are the idiots.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: i feel this encourages an echo chamber as it continues << this is prolly true. on the other hand, most of the intelligent people that were ever going to hear about bitcoin have by now.
mircea_popescu: adlai they cost money ? i dunno.
adlai: they need to learn from nielsen
kakobrekla: so qntra is actually doing worse idiotwise than that other thing
mircea_popescu: iirc they had a toolbar.
mircea_popescu: "And indeed, the output of the CPRNG is very biased. The output of each step of the CPRNG is a number from 0 to 25; you would expect successive outputs to be the same around one time in 26, but my experiments show that the frequency is closer to 1/22.5." <<< shcneier made a cypher. heh.
adlai: that awkward moment when you say bye, then realize that your friend is also going to pokemon
mircea_popescu: cazalla: tandacoin, stick around, i need to finish current article and then head off to a pokemon meetup << bwahahaha
adlai: nubbins`: "you can't not communicate". that would say that either the owner of that domain is a liar, and said at that time that he hates newfies, or that bot has become unreliable.
mircea_popescu: tandacoin: i have read logs of bitcoin assets but i'm not sure how to get word of trust << o.O the cuteliest!
mircea_popescu: mostly because you're not there yet.
nubbins`: so the bot says "the phrase 'i hate newfies' fetched from the url http://iwouldneversaythatihatenewfies.com hashed to <hash>"
mike_c: you looking for somebody to analyze btc businesses? that's a tough task with the limited information they usually provide.
adlai: it says, "the document fetched from <url> contained a section, located at <path>, hashing to <hash>"
nubbins`: and then make a note of it for future reference
adlai: which is why you give the bot a URL and an xpath (or regex, or whatever you like for specifying a part of the document)
nubbins`: to verify with our own eyes that that's what the site said
mircea_popescu: i think trilema perhaps hashes to the same thing.
nubbins`: so we trust that the bot fetches text from a website and doesn't alter it and hashes it and sends dust to the address
mircea_popescu: mike_c how you doin' on time these days ?
mircea_popescu: btw, it occurs to me, the one thing qntra would really need would be a resident business/finance analyst.
nubbins`: or are we taking the bot on blind faith now?
adlai: the whole point is that you trust that the bot only does that for text that it fetches from URLs
adlai: nubbins`: the bot's signature on a file isn't proof-of-existence, it's proof-of-that-server-said-this-to-me-at-that-time
adlai: no, that's "I created some file, and the bot isn't agreeing with it"
nubbins`: "hey man the bot didn't pick up my file"
adlai: don't kick the baby
mircea_popescu: actually... sure you can, but let's not get into the entire mitm http story.
nubbins`: fuck the bot
adlai: nubbins`: think what through? you can change whatever you want in your own browser, but you can't change the communication between bot and server without compromising somethnig
adlai: that wouldn't work unless I could change the document that punkman's bot fetched
nubbins`: let the user open element inspector, change the headline on aljazeera.com to say "adlai sniffs farts", hash that and send it off
mircea_popescu: you basically have to ask someone to go there confirm your screenshot is correct.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only way to do this is with sworn testimony.
adlai: then your hash confirms that this site contained a certain text
nubbins`: let the user copy and paste it
adlai: let the user (who requests hashing site content) specify somehow the part of the site they want hashed
nubbins`: you and i pull down a website right now using the same browser on the same hardware, we're getting different content
mircea_popescu: but here's an idea : have THEM maybe use your thing ?