nubbins`: anyone working for someone else is a busker if you wanna split that hair the rest of the way
mircea_popescu: yeah, this i true in the reverse. bloggers that write for someone else aren't much more than buskers.
BingoBoingo: jurov: what's with the submissions to qntra containing lengthy documents verbatim? << lengthy documents go into blockquotes, don't get counted
jurov: they can be beggars, too
mircea_popescu: there is no economically viable path for "artists" outside of mooching off the sovereign.
nubbins`: i fear the grant system discourages artists from putting their careers on economically viable paths
nubbins`: it's not their say.
nubbins`: but the thing is, they don't give a fuck that there's grant money being given away; they care that it's being given to a band called holy fuck
nubbins`: old windbags who'd never bothered to even listen to the band, decrying the vulgar waste of taxpayer money
nubbins`: there was a big sadness when a band called "holy fuck" got a grant
mircea_popescu: total ocd case, she'd actually pluck her hairs by hand, braid them in threes then braid the results and on it went.
nubbins`: jurov this is a problem, people get all hissy when someone gets a grant for something they personally don't like
nubbins`: mike_c they look cool, no idea beyond that
mircea_popescu: why not the fridge ?
mircea_popescu: it's the most inconvenient storage conceivable.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu cold storage for the discerning consumer, nothing more.
jurov: wait till some crazy canadian starts making them from mice poop and her genital hair
nubbins`: well ya know. it doesn't make a good xmas gift with one either.
mircea_popescu: because at the time idiots honestly thought the "internet funbux" angle can be pushed.
mircea_popescu: it had its political importance at the time, these aren;'t really remembered today, but at some point i had to go into fucking something awful forums and argue with the idiots as to why bitcoin actualy is valuable.
nubbins`: the last series he sold were 0.1btc
mircea_popescu: mike_c you gotta ppreciate, when the cas coins were a thing, 50 btc was like 100 bux
mike_c: dumb now, not then.
mats_cd03: also used to be one hundredth the value it is now, mate
mike_c: these are all novelty items, so i think cas coins with 10 btc or whatever are dumb.
mike_c: they come unfunded
adlai: it's just a bloody expensive paperweight without them
adlai: "For an extra .25BTC ..." < what's the point of getting the damn thing if you don't get the extras
mircea_popescu: wait, the original wankers don't like wanking anymore ?
nubbins`: those kialara guys are the first ones to do anything different since casascius
nubbins`: anyway, the physical crypto space is at a standstill
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck i want a buttcoin.org account. the stupidity bitcoin brings out from i dunno where...
mircea_popescu: everyone thinks they're steve jobs nao.
mircea_popescu: exactly the sort of shit castrato usians go for.
mircea_popescu: the pretense to value through "unique" and "design" and trhe usual bullcrap is supposedly endless.
mircea_popescu: there;s going to be a flood of these. the marginal cost to make small metal discs is about zero
mircea_popescu: something tells me this is going to be the biggest problem of bitcoin finance. to earn a living as a rentier you'll have to own a shitton of 'em.
mircea_popescu: artifexd there is that.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose in all fairness the byzantino-rabinical approach to the written text as deployed for the needs of bitbet is a special kind of hell for all esl speakers.
mircea_popescu: and if it does, no lost anyway, it's just a matter of how the yes pot is split up.
leen_: if i place a bet on no now and pric doesnt go under 250 i win the amount stated at th calculator if noobne else bets?
mircea_popescu: but what the bet says is that if bitcoin goes under 250 tomorrow, all yes bets but the first two wil be refunded.
leen_: and if i win the bet
mircea_popescu: well i don't know the future for sure, as it happens. just kinda close.
leen_: so they dont get refunded?
mircea_popescu: and it's a moot point in any case, the 30th was 4 days ago.
mircea_popescu: like it's happening right now on the difficulty bet.
mircea_popescu: you're misreading it'd seem. what the bet says is that the first two yes bets never get refunded
leen_: if the first 2 bets get efunded
leen_: Bitcoin to drop under $250 before 2015 The price of one Bitcoin in USD will drop below $250 before January 2015 as per Bitstamp . If the difference between a given "Yes" bet time and the bet's closing time is less than one week, such bets will be refunded minus fee. First two "Yes" bets are excluded from this rule.
leen_: ITS WRITTEN IN THE STATEMENT
mircea_popescu: they are ?
leen_: THE CALCULATOR IS WRONG
leen_: there is a problem with a bet
kakobrekla: what the f
ben_vulpes skips the numismatics
mike_c: don't tap on the fish tank.
mircea_popescu: What kind of retard created this bet? Closing in 5 months?? why??? a bunch of people are just going to bet on Yes whenever they see difficulty is going to be down during the year, what's the point of this bet??
ben_vulpes: stability zones on the manifold...
mircea_popescu: it's funny how the free market naturally evolves towards a corner to wedge itself in.
ben_vulpes: why would the general public buy asics?
mircea_popescu: the results of that market becoming "usgized", which is to say, they stopped selling to the general public.
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ben_vulpes: which would be first time in the asic history?
mircea_popescu: is it the first time since like 2012 ?
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> dang did you guys really crap out over 1000 lines while i was sleeping? << we didn't crap them bish. now eat up!
mircea_popescu: <jurov> looks like it can be opened from news.ycombinator.com without the paywall << see ? CLEARLY propaganda piece.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> dear ddoser, please add more bots as it is not clear if you are still ddosing or not <<< yeah this srsly. i was half considering replacing the voice model with a ddos model, but srsly, you gotta provide better servcice for free if you wanna be part of infrastructure here!
mircea_popescu: generally, idiots revel in offering an idiotarian version of mainstream concepts. like, the usg right ? ALSO OFFERS INSURANCE.
jurov waits till mircea arrives at the wankfest
mircea_popescu: <davout> yes, continuous trading seems so much simpler, not sure if there's a blocker i'm missing tho << it's nonsense, what exactly is a future that has no future date ?
jurov: we misunderstood each other at first
mircea_popescu: <jurov> you don't like the 15th 12:00 GMT, you want to change it, no? << nah he just wants a shorter break. than ONE WEEK. which he gets.
mircea_popescu: <adlai> https://twitter.com/mpex1 also seems a little dead. tsk tsk, need to clean up the dead links! <<< yeah i guess so.
mircea_popescu: <artifexd> Are there any plans for new profit centers in MPIF? << yes. got an idea ?
mircea_popescu: <jurov> they do count into s.qntr shares? << nah
mike_c: my estimate seems a bit high at the moment. i gotta do some digging into why. I would use the october statement as a closer NAV right now.
jurov: nm i was looking on another mpsic
jurov: on another look... wtf?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: i'd pay fiddy bucks for one, and that's generous. << Nobel prize is gold so you can sell it at one of those cash for gold store fronts in the ghetto
mike_c: but what about the low side?
jurov: looks like it can be opened from news.ycombinator.com without the paywall
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: read the linked piece, see if you can decide for yourself
xanthyos: cloaked or not, silenceisdefeat.com probably gets hit all the time, but it's free and reliable enough
xanthyos: better to know it's a ddos to get angry about than to have uncertainty and be unable to diagnose the problem
xanthyos: but the pm with gribble took a while to come back
xanthyos: if i connected from my home ip i'd cloak. i don't notice a lag at all from the ssh session
xanthyos: waht's up with the ddos bot?
jurov: hafta convert them to a+bi anyway
jurov: http://bitbet.us/bet/867/ haha another reason for x.eur to move to continuous trading, just to screw with this
davout: yes, continuous trading seems so much simpler, not sure if there's a blocker i'm missing tho
davout: what you're reeling about is coinbr's inability to cleanly detect the gap, whether that's for mpex or coinbr to solve is another question
jurov: continuos trading without balaces mysteriously on/off would the best solution in my view
jurov: you see - i'm reeling about the first one
jurov: if it changes to other fixed time, i'm okay with it
jurov: you don't like the 15th 12:00 GMT, you want to change it, no?
jurov: and there's nothing in STATJSON output to indicate it
xanthyos: coinbase makes it too easy! i thought they'd at least slow me down with a 2 factor phone auth
nubbins`: jurov iirc (and i could be wrong), qntra pays the way dickens' publisher paid
mike_c: jurov, you still market making mpif? it seems the bids are below bounds (which I thought was +- 5%).
adlai: the impression I get from lurking around here is that there aren't concrete plans for another profit center, but if one arose, it would be welcomed
artifexd: And there hasn't been much talk of MPIF lately. I'm in an information vacuum, so to speak.
adlai: https://twitter.com/mpex1 also seems a little dead. tsk tsk, need to clean up the dead links!
artifexd: Are there any plans for new profit centers in MPIF?
adlai: aha, shouldn't http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772915 be mentioned in the FAQ?
jurov: they do count into s.qntr shares?
jurov: what's with the submissions to qntra containing lengthy documents verbatim?
kakobrekla: >Global Advisors, a firm based in Jersey that manages the first regulated bitcoin fund, has been served notice by its bank, HSBC.
nubbins`: should know for sure in the next couple days
asciilifeform: thank you assbot, saving my leaf springs the wear!
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2014 03:31:14; asciilifeform: and that a circus weight-lifter isn't the least bit strong, because perhaps my arse muscle is stronger yet than his biceps
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2014 03:30:52; asciilifeform: how come we never hear anyone arguing that there is no such thing as 'strength'
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2014 17:02:37; mircea_popescu: something like that. so one night while in here, i see movement in the corner of my eye
mircea_popescu: moreover, trying to pursue a "science of health" is the hallmark of pseudoscientific cockery.
mircea_popescu: same way carnies pick out their marks, it's nothing novel.
adlai is wondering how mircea_popescu judges intelligence based on eye movement... it seems very dependant upon the setting
asciilifeform: anyway - who wants to turn it into a science, i just threw in a freebie - physically testable hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i don't call this a science.
adlai: bricklisp simply doesn't detract from the intelligence of whoever is using it, like "rubber duck debugging"
mircea_popescu: as i said, all sorts of heuristics can be useful. i tend to not pursue relations with the intellectually slow, which i often judge in seconds on simple cues such as eye movement.
asciilifeform: we are roughly in the position of the ancients who tried to explain why certain objects are flammable while others - not
mircea_popescu: so then it's not a definition.
mircea_popescu: adlai because they're not introduced by intelligent people./
adlai: slight tangent (from reading about impedance) - why on earth are complex numbers introduced as a+bi when (magnitude,phase) is an infinitely more INTELLIGENT way of understanding them?
asciilifeform: the madness - echos, 'crosstalk'
asciilifeform: that's simply 'upping the clock'
mircea_popescu: well they all fire lol
mircea_popescu: so the best way to be intelligent is doing speedballs ?
asciilifeform: that's my personal hypothesis, incidentally. handily predictive of the reaction time correlation.
asciilifeform: there's your principle.
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2014 03:24:29; asciilifeform: Adlai: if i recall, hypothesis involves impedance matching - same reason folks with damaged myelin sheaths lose theirs.
mircea_popescu: whatever you want them to be.
asciilifeform: and the immediate engineering applications of being able to distinguish folks into rough equivalence classes of stupidity by purely mechanical means - are there.
asciilifeform: but there are underlying principles.
adlai: lol right there in Eysenck's bio... "Definition of Intelligence"
mircea_popescu: anyway. i think it's pseudoscience, the whole lot of it.
adlai: that's because they're using intuition instead of intelligence
asciilifeform: the serious folks carefully avoid chasing definitions.
mircea_popescu: perhaps, but the label of magnetism is at least applied on some sort of interaction that yields a force.
asciilifeform: this is sorta like saying 'there is no such thing as strength of materials'
adlai: there may not be any such thing as "beauty", but "sexual selection" exists
mircea_popescu: not anymore than there's "beauty"
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "intelligence".
mircea_popescu: but honestly while there are intelligent people trying, i think it's a snipe hunt.
asciilifeform: as well as other factors (reaction time, even)
asciilifeform: they don't define it, normally. but they deduced a statistical item, called 'G', which is the overall correlation between the various tests in use
adlai: (how do "they" define intelligence?)
asciilifeform: incidentally, watson's 'public goatfuck' statement is not the least bit controversial among the actual psychometrics folks.
asciilifeform: with elaborate gentlemen's agreements among the participants to keep the field out of the line of fire
asciilifeform: was in the process of revealing what was useful.
mircea_popescu: anything useful ? other than socially i mezn
asciilifeform: wanted to see where the hard limit is.
mircea_popescu: "ten youths from downtown accidentally construct the godmachine
mircea_popescu: i can see the newspaper titles
asciilifeform: naturally the very concept of sitting down and solving a picture puzzle is learnable. this was clear to me. but i wanted a kind of 'carnot engine limit' of unlearnability.
asciilifeform: they won't cross-publish to 'big, mainstream' journals. have own ghetto.
mircea_popescu: lmao this is the most idiotic thing i ever heard
asciilifeform: this was a fool's errand, but in the process, i ended up lifting the lid on an entire 'secret' field of psychometry
asciilifeform: for this to work, the problems on the test were to have been mechanically-generated but sufficiently varied that you will never see the same 'kind' particularly often
asciilifeform: that is, a mechanized intelligence test that the victim 'can't train for'
adlai: ... and why is there no usable definition for intelligence?
asciilifeform: engineer may not know or give a fuck how magnetism is made of spins, but will use magnet all the same to good effect
mircea_popescu: and "culinary science" is the sort of nonsense you'd expect ou tof english speakers. otherwise l'arte culinaire isdoing fine
asciilifeform: there's no fucking usable definition of intelligence << there are, however, accurate and usable definitions of... stupidity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is the deal breaker for me. i actually run the monitors at about 50% gamma. << i did get it down to 30% or so. would've liked even less - while retaining contrast. simply to avoid... baking.
adlai: note that reddit binding affinity has risen 0.4x during this riverflow. assuming linear growth at the current rate, qntra will devolve into reddit on or around noon on march 18th 2015. RemindMe! sell S.QNTR
mircea_popescu: damn that's a fast river then.
mircea_popescu: the two do kind-of match.
mircea_popescu: " The public schools are intended to create complacent "good citizens"not independent thinkersbecause political leaders do not like boat-rockers who question things too closely. They prefer citizens who pay their taxes on time and leave them alone to chart the course of the nation. The growth in government power since the advent of public schools is hard to ignore."
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badon: All the cool enameled art in that article is from the East. All the Crayola kiddie enamel is from Europe, haha.
badon: Check out the Byzantine enamel, versus the Chinese enamel photos --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloisonn%C3%A9
badon: They don't call it a dark age for nothing.
badon: I compared what Europe was producing in the 11th century with what China was producing, and it's pathetic. You have to wonder if Europeans collectively decided to be retarded for a thousand years.
badon: nubbins`: In 500 years - heck, in 80 years, most of that stuff will be broken. The surviving specimens will be the proverbial "Ming vaaaaz".
nubbins`: yup. the town's full of that stuff.
badon: It has a mintage of 200 for the silver version, and only around 10 specimens are known to have survived so far. More will probably show up as time goes by, but $4000 price tag did not bring any new ones to the market, which is strong evidence most of them are either melted or permanently in someone's collection.
mircea_popescu: "Organised crime groups continue to make use of darknets to harbour trading in illicit commodities, including child exploitation material, illicit drugs and firearms, stolen credit card and identity data, and hacking techniques." << check it out, hacking techniques the illicit item ?
badon: I was wrong. The "museum" is actually the Emperor's palace, also known as "the forbidden city".
badon: nubbins`: The silver version I sold for $1200. A few months later the specimen was back on the market, and it sold for $4'000!
nubbins`: there's a couple hundred common ones that most koreans know
nubbins`: went there for a big pottery festival
badon: Korea was part of China in ancient times, due to proximity, so it makes sense they would have some impressive enameling technology.
nubbins`: there was this one town i visited, it's all anyone did
badon: nubbins`: Oh yeah, the pottery enamel is famous.
mircea_popescu: kinda late to the party today
mircea_popescu: i imagine the time to stock up on chinese memorabilia was right before the great leap forward.
badon: IN that case, it's on a box, not a coin, but it's ridiculously intricate. Something like that in the West would cost a thousand bucks just for the box.
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nubbins`: and other bitcoin ephemera
badon: Hopefully there will be some cool errors or something.
assbot: 1 oz. Fine Silver Coins - The Great Lakes 5-Coin Subscription - Mintage: 10,000 (2014) ... ( http://bit.ly/1pMN7JA )
nubbins`: http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/1-oz.-fine-silver-coins-the-great-lakes-5coin-subscription-mintage-10000-2014-prod1730037
nubbins`: yeah the canadian mint did a series of Great Lakes coins where the lake bed was carved out of the coin, and filled with translucent blue enamel
badon: The started out by "colorizing" with really crapping printing techniques. People thought they were ugly, and didn't buy them. Today, the ugly ones are more valuable than the pretty ones because they're rarer.
nubbins`: i've been trying to find these coins forever, to no avail: http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/silver-crystal-zodiac-collection-2013-prod1840076#.VH28eGTF8Yc
badon: The first really nice enamel coins in modern China were in 2008, if I remember correctly.
nubbins`: they have some coins that are actually painted w/ enamel that are nicer
nubbins`: tbh the cmyk-printed coins don't look great up-close
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nubbins`: their tree canopy ones are okay
mircea_popescu: do you mean "value that would be present in any unverse which allows for bitcoin" ? or do you mean "value which would be present in this X thing whether it be bitcoin or not"
badon: I collected them for a while.
badon: They used to make some nice stuff.
mircea_popescu: Naphex yes, but intrinsic to what. see, when i say "kim kardashian has intrinsic value" i mean specifically, the hole(s) in her ass.
mircea_popescu: i can't believe half the fucking log is keyboards. you people are nuts you know that ?
Naphex: does the current form of the Bitcoin Blockchain have intrinsic value (without referencing its market value)
nubbins`: once you start moving through space, some of your displacement is now occurring on the x (space) axis
nubbins`: sitting where you are, all your displacement is on the y (time) axis