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mats_cd03: im not talking about the chart
cazalla: another guy has team viewer installed on same machine as wallet and loses 40 btc lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2og50r/im_devastated_got_hacked_and_lost_405_btcs_please/
cazalla: back to ddosing websites by the looks of it
gernika: The world doesn't work like that here.
mircea_popescu: i thought it's the world's most popular fast food dish
gernika: I agree - a german burrito seemed unappealing just as a concept, let alone as something concrete made out of that run down kitchen, but apparently at the time I thought that was my best option.
mircea_popescu: undata sure, except for the obnoxious "prevailin business practices" bit.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ilkka kokkarinen) << there is some merit to the ford story, but specifically, that he majorily cut down on staff turnover by "overpaying". except all the other idiots were not accounting for training costs (in the form of, not building anything too complex)
undata: you know where they're at
mircea_popescu: just like if fat women were erased from the world you'd notice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> reading for the first time about 'joyent', i couldn't help but wonder - what are these 'technologies' actually for? if they were erased from the good earth overnight, would i notice ? <<< if node.js were erased you would notice.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> honouring the 'lifetime warranty' for all the chumps put together - would this even add up to the cost of one lawyer-week ? << it makes no sense to me either.
undata: several generations of Americans at least believe that this is precisely what success looks like: you buy and sell a few houses and your life is on autopilot from then on
undata: decimation | really, it's all just an extension of the lowly spammers desire to make money while he sleeps << cheap credit spawned a generation of these
asciilifeform: nor the pseudo-industry it was part of
asciilifeform: briefly back to the earlier thread: no one should be surprised if a thing like 'joyent' turns into a vehicle for some imbecile's masturbatory 'justice' fantasies
gernika: There was a constant search for some unexploited google search phrase
gernika: Whatever scheme they came up with inevitably ran out of steam after at most a few years.
gernika: And at the same time calling it passive income.
gernika: These people were constantly working
gernika: Exactly. I slept very little while I was trying to follow their recipe.
gernika: Man. I used to subscribe to this forum called the Micropreneuer academy. I see now that this was exactly their propsal: spam to make money while you sleep.
decimation: really, it's all just an extension of the lowly spammers desire to make money while he sleeps
asciilifeform: or one minute to think whether what they say makes any sense, that Henry Ford, the American entrepreneur whose worldview wouldn't probably stand much scrutiny from the modern perspective, gained his place in the canon of progressive feelgood policies for paying his workers the back then unheard-of high daily salary of $5, which made them wealthy enough to buy Ford automobiles, which in turn made the Ford company profitable.' (
asciilifeform: 'We laugh at that fable about the village of simpletons who, when their bed blankets became too short for their growing kids, extended these blankets by cutting off a piece from one end and sewing it to the other. Or the more modern tale of a drunkard who could afford to drink every day because he always took his empty bottles back for a deposit. And yet many otherwise intelligent people believe, apparently not stopping even f
asciilifeform: i.e., that if we somehow do 'cloud' correctly, no one actually has to think about cpu and disk, these can live in some 'meta' heavens
decimation: somehow I guess there is a market for selling vms to folks
asciilifeform: reading for the first time about 'joyent', i couldn't help but wonder - what are these 'technologies' actually for? if they were erased from the good earth overnight, would i notice ?
asciilifeform: because mimicry is cheaper in all cases than the real thing.
asciilifeform: inevitably the mimics take over
asciilifeform: once the machines were no longer put to work solving actual problems, and just about the whole planet switched to 'solving' nonproblems,
asciilifeform: read, for perhaps the first time, why:
asciilifeform: thing is, the degradation of computer industry was inevitable.
decimation: asciilifeform perhaps you could follow the fate of solaris as a re-invented platform for oracledb
asciilifeform can't shake the feeling, reading this crud, that it was all an elaborate joke, and the punchline is to be read out soon
decimation: and apparently they view the legacy of solaris as a great foundation to host ... server-side javascript
decimation: asciilifeform: https://gigaom.com/2013/11/26/whats-up-with-joyent/ << apparently the are only marginally a business
asciilifeform: honouring the 'lifetime warranty' for all the chumps put together - would this even add up to the cost of one lawyer-week ?
asciilifeform: no surprise that the scam was a scam; surprising is the fact that it wound down precisely when it did
undata: and the gigs aren't even real gigs
asciilifeform: 'In January, 2012, Joyent secured a new round of funding totalling $85 million from Weather Investment II, Accelero Capital, and Telefónica Digital. In October 2014, Joyent raised an additional $15 million in Series D funding from existing investors.' << and immediately after, 'fuck you' to the 'crowdfunders.'
gernika: The post on bitcoin in Argentina reminds me of Bitcoin in berlin. There was supposed to be some thriving bitcoin scene in Kreuzberg. In fact when I went to visit there was a single crappy cafe with a cheap Bitcoin sign hanging in the window.
undata: it turns out all these citizen journalists are full of shit
gernika: The post on bitcoin in Argentina reminds me of Bitcoin in berlin. There was supposed to be some thriving bitcoin scene in Kreuzberg. In fact when I went to visit there was a single crappy cafe with a cheap Bitcoin sign hanging in the window.
asciilifeform: 'On August 16, 2012, individuals who had provided start-up and development funding to Joyent (and its predecessor, TextDrive) in exchange for lifetime shared hosting accounts with Joyent were informed, via email, that their lifetime hosting accounts would be deleted on October 31, 2012' << lol! (pediwikia)
decimation: the guts popped out, found vc funding
asciilifeform: what did it have to do with these abortions
decimation: SmartOS is a SVR4 open-source hypervisor, based on the UNIX operating system which combines OpenSolaris technology with Linux's KVM virtualization.
decimation: they are trying to be a 'cloud company' with a unique os - SmartOS
asciilifeform finds it interesting that he has never before heard of joyent corp., nor knowingly used anything in their lineup
undata: sudden urge to go drive for uber just for the hell of it
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mircea_popescu: it's funny how they're not even tryong here.
decimation: meanwhile back in unreality world the dollar just beat all the other fiat at the market today
decimation: as long as he and his friends have a strong lock on the bezzlars funneled into sv, he is more than willing to throw his 'own tribe' under the bus in order to appear magnanimous
mircea_popescu: there's no point in holding on to plain dollars if on top of inflation of fact you'll also get inflaiton of meaning.
undata: surely they'll pass that in a few years
mircea_popescu: by now money is compared in the meta-terms of its "meaning" ?
mircea_popescu: this magical math you got going there.
undata: who can cry for which special interest the most convincingly
mircea_popescu: decimation but it's the same thing to a dot. "fuck the law, we do what we please". well...
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undata: oh and check out the opposition! http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/11/portland_street_tax_pers_givea.html
undata: might as well nuke the whole state from orbit when better masters own it
decimation: at least isis is up front about their religion, instead of being all meta about it
undata: they're trying to pass this new "street tax" in Portland
mircea_popescu: how can you NOT like the real isis ? the fake isis (usus ?) is just as stupid, only much derpier.
mircea_popescu: it is a matter of doing the right thing. it's about people, not code.
mircea_popescu: "@KristianOellegaard this isn't an issue of breaking or following the rules, it's an issue of doing the right thing and common sense. This situation is about people, not code."
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, hewas like the cto
mircea_popescu: im gonna get the fucking records
mircea_popescu: who the shit writes this idiocy. i want a name.
asciilifeform: '...empathy is a core engineering valueand that an engineer that has so little empathy as to not understand why the use of gendered pronouns is a concern almost certainly makes poor technical decisions as well.' << aryan physics is best physics!
decimation: for the record
decimation: "Joyent raised venture capital for the first time in November 2009[42] from Intel and Dell.[43] Joyent's early institutional investors include El Dorado Ventures, Epic Ventures, Peter Thiel (Seed Round),[44] Intel Capital (Series A, B Rounds),[45] Greycroft Partners (Series A, B Rounds),[46] Liberty Global (Series B Round). In January, 2012, Joyent secured a new round of funding totalling $85 million from Weather Investment II,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're just minimaxing.
decimation: during the french revolution, plenty of scum pseudo-scientists ganged together to hang actual people
jborkl: Mp, did you ever join the bitcoin foundation?
mircea_popescu: (more likely, so when they get hanged by their own guts, the remainder, ever less numerous crowd of them can falsely claim that we're attaching "science"
mircea_popescu: AS IF the von flondor process won't see through that
asciilifeform: nobody looks at WHAT THEY WERE << nobody but a hatecriminal aha.
mircea_popescu: which is a major problem, because the us nomenklatura is fighting real hard to get "scientific" credetnials.
decimation: right, but the guy wasn't an employee of joyent
jborkl: Well one of the core contributors for bitcoin flipped hamburgers not too long ago
mircea_popescu: so the guy prevented a politruk from getting his "contributions" count up.
mircea_popescu: astroturfing to the max.
mircea_popescu: but nobody looks at WHAT THEY WERE.
mircea_popescu: decimation you understand what's at stake there right ?
decimation: apparently they kicked the guy off the project because of his refusal to commit a pronoun patch
decimation: lol of the day https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun << One of the node.js core contributors, Ben Noordhuis, rejected a pull request that eliminated the use of a gendered pronoun in libuv.
asciilifeform: work itself aground somehow << thus far there is an inexhaustible supply of... whatever it is
undata: "One of the consequences of these graph is that if the real name of the sender of a single transaction belonging to the entity is identified, then Satoshi mystery identity will be revealed. I bet that this will happen in the days following this post." < hilarious
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mircea_popescu: anyway, since we're doing that sorta thing, i guess i never linked http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/
jborkl: Wow, the MasterCard video was a disaster
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mircea_popescu: cazalla intel sez he's the guy with the 2013 reports about "discoveries". https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/
asciilifeform: (the prostitutes, that is. 'real mode' per traditional terminology is what msdos runs in, not sure how this applies here)
decimation: asciilifeform: but apparently they broke a 512-bit rsa cert!
asciilifeform: how are these used ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, there's also 30something kinda fat prostitutes.
decimation: asciilifeform: it seems to me that the advantages of a real-mode keylog are obvious
undata: the guy looked like a doctor to me!
asciilifeform: 'When victims attempt to connect to the WiFi network, they get a pop-up alert telling them their Adobe Flash player needs an update and offering them a file, digitally signed to make it look authentic, to download. If the victims accept they download, they get a Trojan delivered instead.' << run more winblows, 'high-profile executives,..., government agencies and NGOs and U.S. executives.'
asciilifeform: 'Theres no logical reason to use a kernel-level keylogger says Raiu since its so easy to write key loggers that hook the Windows API using about four lines of code. But these guys prefer to do a kernel-level keylogger, which is about 300 kilobytes in sizethe driver for the key loggerwhich is pretty crazy and very unusual.' << imbeciles
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i dunno, he's in BA, perhaps you can do an interview with the foundation's latest hire
asciilifeform: 'The key logger the attackers used also has Korean characters inside and appears to have ties to a coder in South Korea.' << lol, let's believe every byte of ascii text in the turd, aha
asciilifeform back to bed if that's all there is
mircea_popescu: <mats_cd03> i can hear them from here and they're at least a mile away << so they're demonstrating good lungs eh.
asciilifeform: 'The hole let unprivileged user-mode program to switch into kernel mode. But more spectacularly, the hole was tightly coupled into unique architectural design of VMS, and in its sly and teasing way...'
jurov: the bet
undata: BingoBoingo: White teenagers << southern classlessness is colorblind
cazalla: there is a video of that happening late last month https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiziJBg4Odc would score no points in carmageddon though, held back too much
cazalla: BingoBoingo, "When the woman tried to drive around them, the suspects reportedly pulled out a firearm, so she stopped the car." the fuck? run em down!
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BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/feds-pair-stole-guns-discussed-selling-them-to-ferguson-protesters/article_a0934d77-182d-5f89-9057-ad82a03be51c.html << White teenagers
cazalla: some grandma also thought the meme was targetting her grandchildren https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAo7kRDrUmU
mircea_popescu: where people kept trolling the players what was it
mircea_popescu: wasn't there some massive thing with that game
cazalla: btw i logged into the habbo hotel confrence, all the sponsored booths are pretty much bots, hardly any guests either for me to troll :\
cazalla: mircea_popescu, but they came to a consensus so who are we to disagree?
BingoBoingo: "Any responsible citizen can file suit" << Why write a derp piece then and not a suit?
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mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 of course, seeing how the prize is ~10x a fiverr, that article is highly arbitrageable i guess.
mircea_popescu: is there a word for the activity of "going through your private stash of girlfriend pr0n" ?
mircea_popescu: (and of course my way to distinguiosh the shards - "who's in charge ?" - is exactly acid to the eyes of the spuriomancers)
mircea_popescu: (the problem of choice, for instance)
mircea_popescu: sort-of like how the same problems that sink centrally planned economies make market economies thrive
mircea_popescu: my theory here being that substantial projects benefit from spurious forking, because it soaks up the idiots and sends them away. whereas spurious projects suffer from forking, because well, there's no way to distinguish the shards.
undata: apparently it's not future enough so they're going to add more future
undata: mircea_popescu: someone needs to tell the js horde
jurov: mircea's drone vibrators...but the mud hut concept is novel
jurov: Drones and semi-autonomous household robots could be made to be controllable from a tablet or smartphone. Distributed markets for drone operators, some of them living in mud huts with nothing more than solar power and mesh-networks, could be very competitive!
BingoBoingo: I thought she spelled her nick pikachu as in the pokemon
mircea_popescu: (if you don't recall her, the girl with the wooden block up her cunt from just-dice)
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> <mircea_popescu> "retail" integrations aside, i found the actual buy/sell market totally functional. << cristina's been cracking down.
ben_vulpes: dockerizing so that deploying CI in the future is a matter of running the provisioner and waiting a minute.
ben_vulpes: derpy client keeps breaking the build
undata: or uh, too busy to notice otherwise
mats_cd03: wishing i'd be free of the 9-5 drudgery
mats_cd03: doing different things like studying the windows kernel, trying to learn malware analysis fundamentals and some of the tooling, docker deployment for dev and prod for a friend's website, and working on the courts circus project
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> but ba bitcoin market is in complete shambles and im getting sick of it. << "retail" integrations aside, i found the actual buy/sell market totally functional.
mats_cd03: who still worships at the altar of VC cock, apparently
ben_vulpes: <badon> More seriously, VC's like to see a business leadership that is personally highly invested into the business with their own financial resources. << lol return of spamgun?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes thestringpuller you know that qntrra piece came out really good.
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mats_cd03: it breathes
nubbins`: the pages are slightly less thick, 175gsm dead-tree
mircea_popescu: well then stop bitching.
nubbins`: two deckled edges, one smooth side, one lightly toothed :D
nubbins`: this is the cover stock
mircea_popescu: these are broadsheets no ?
nubbins`: also got in touch w/ the manufacturer of the paper we've been using, they said they have one roll left that they'd be willing to cut into sheets for us... but it's 1000 sheets at $3.05ea
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mircea_popescu: buncha 20something year olds, "designers" and "web experts" and whatnot, with their bike and their 0.18 btc in some sort of wallet that cost them .28
nubbins`: cazalla you forgot the ""
nubbins`: as if argentinians are looking for ANOTHER currency to gamble with
cazalla: don't they have a bitcoin embassy in ar?
nubbins`: i.e. a couple neckbeards & wizards puffing themselves up
mircea_popescu: for the record, bitpagos is some delaware start-up, looking to be bought out. it's playing the numbers game. the numbers are based on what numbers usually are based on, in fraudlandia i mean the internet.
punkman: but coindesk said there are 8k convenience stores selling bitcoin !? http://www.coindesk.com/bitpagos-brings-bitcoin-8000-convenience-stores-ripio/
mircea_popescu: sure, some guy kinda remembers someone buying him a beer to say something or the other with coinsomething in it. last year.
mircea_popescu: if you look at it isuperficially it appears there's "hundreds" of places in a 12 million inhabitant town, which is somehow notable (srsly ?). if you actually investigate it, you soon discover they're all fictitious.
mircea_popescu: absolute fucking astroturfing. idiot faux-bitcoin-foundation types push this sort of arrangement where i dunno, they buy an empanada to random people to say they're "accepting bitcoin" then populate all sorts of crudiferous web2.0 apps, maps and random websites.
nubbins`: something about they lock up funds in a peculiar way, with onus on btc seller to prove tx went thru?
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone got a localbitcoins account that they're using ? is that thing any cereal ?
mircea_popescu: at least they used to rob hayseeds in grand central.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: what a useless discussion of trust <<< that's what fucking happens with noobs ALL THE DAMNED TIME. But they know better! But why won't people who do thinks professionally consider their input! But amateurism is a do-ocracy! But reasons! But considerations! But he's not read five years of tardstalk so five years of tardstalk has never happened. Let's do it again!
mircea_popescu: badon: My experience has been that these trust models are useless. <<< you are wrong. period and full stop. swallow this and change or get lost. also full stop.
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BingoBoingo: Yeah plenty of lispers, think most of them are sleeping atm
Ralt: this is about all the information I have :)
Ralt: I heard that there were lispers around, and that this'd be an interesting place. Is all
BingoBoingo: Well if you want to lurk faster there's a link to logs in the topic so you can lurk the past too
BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts?
badon: If you live in Africa, for example, anon derps will risk their lives (and yours) just to get your shoes. In North Europe, an armored car with open doors might not be worth the bother when you can just show up to work every day and earn a good income.
badon: Yeah, this gets into the realm of "how retarded is your neighbor?".
BingoBoingo: I dunno I'd want to be around anon derp and armed anon friends, maybe they're dumb and think heist?
badon: BingoBoingo: I'll take the anon derp's cash.
BingoBoingo: No, it doesn't but what else is there?
badon: Vexual: You're not too far off the mark. I'm heavily involved in business.
badon: BingoBoingo: In other words, pointless to try to quantify, certainly not worth the bother of forcing it on people.
badon: Some criminals specialize in building trust, and then violating it. That's why they're called "cons", with the word "con" being an abbreviation for "confidence".
BingoBoingo: badon: Right, that's why it's qualitative rather than quantitative
Vexual: unless you're in the wot
badon: BingoBoingo: No, that's not true. A person might be kind and trustworthy to everyone except Jews, or people who's names start with Q, or whatever. In other words, there is no predictive value in any of these trust models. In other words again, there is no formula.
Vexual: you never know how you look through other peoples eyes
BingoBoingo: A person's a shithead or they aren't. If they aren't a shithead there's going to be qualitative reasons why they aren't a shithead.
badon: I'm sure somebody has a mathematical model of different ways to quantify trust.
punkman: also if by "formal contract" you mean that thing with 50 pages some lawyers drafted, yeah we don't usually like those either.
BingoBoingo: <badon> My experience has been that these trust models are useless. They're better than complete anonymity, because they end up having some practical monetary value, but the abuse of the trust always eventually becomes more profitable than honoring the trust. Therefore, if I don't trust you, I don't care what your PGP key says. << Trust isn't a point system though, it is a name system.
BingoBoingo: <badon> If someone betrays my trust, I can't punch them in the head with their PGP public key. << You can effectively indict them with the text they've signed
Vexual: me neither
badon: Otherwise, no one would approach them. VC's don't normally solicit businesses to invest in them.
Vexual: id wanna see the vcs moneys too
badon: More seriously, VC's like to see a business leadership that is personally highly invested into the business with their own financial resources.
badon: A venture capitalist wants to see an entrepreneur's children's college funds on the line, along with contracts to send them off to work in the mines. Then the VC might take them seriously as somebody who's going to do their best to not lose the business.
Vexual: and i f you were invested in yourself badon, i'd trust you to do business on the net
badon: In fact, my business style is to be suspicious of anyone who insists on formal contracts. If they don't trust me, I don't want to do business with them, and vice versa.
badon: My experience has been that these trust models are useless. They're better than complete anonymity, because they end up having some practical monetary value, but the abuse of the trust always eventually becomes more profitable than honoring the trust. Therefore, if I don't trust you, I don't care what your PGP key says.
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Vexual!~x@unaffiliated/vexual. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user muXne to user muxne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=muxne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=muxne | Rated since: Sun Jun 22 00:11:14 2014
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user muXne to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user muXne to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Vexual to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Vexual&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
BingoBoingo: Also nickserv registered names expire rather quickly
badon: I feel dirty every time I send a password to nickserv or chanserv on IRC, but in my case, I use SASL and the Tor hidden service, so it's not plaintext like it might be for ordinary IRC connections.
BingoBoingo: The voice thing though is that words have meaning, and the strength of that is predicated on the person doing the speaking. Hence strong identification as opposed to weak identification.
BingoBoingo: Purpose of the channel takes a few months.
badon: ...like the purpose of this channel, haha
badon: maybe there's something I'm simply not aware of.
BingoBoingo: At least in the way naively concieved
badon: Hmm, OK, then I'm still skeptical anything at all is being accomplished by preventing me from speaking.
BingoBoingo: I didn't make the system, I just join it
BingoBoingo: But you have need of gribble if you want to self voice. Defeating nickserv would make impersonating other people too easy
badon: You could just handle that the standard way by requiring people to be registered with nickserv to be voiced.
asciilifeform: there is some.
asciilifeform: and in 1982 ru, pdp 'had the w4r3z'
decimation: well, literally $$bn have been invested on the current path