cazalla: BingoBoingo: The only environment I've ever been similarly confident with was the old "Hot Dog HTML" that was included on the web design for dummies book cd at the local library <<< lol sausage software, my uncle never shut up about these guys
mircea_popescu: undata there's excellent reasons not to worry about that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mr y & friends believe in an ai equivalent of fermi's 'ignition of the atmosphere' hypothetical catastrophe.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apple, the heritage company was never entirely innocent on the cabling front (Apple desktop bus, etc) The portable gadgets yes did demand a still more grotesque submission. Thankfully pawn shops love Apple shit.
mircea_popescu: that's different from a mathematically bound ai, no matter how clever
mircea_popescu: they're thinking of a politically relevant ai.
asciilifeform: undata: mr y is the master octopus
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is interesting to see how apple corp. (the renamed 'next', not the original) put to use its total monopoly in portable computerized gadgets not immediately discardable as junk to push perverse anachronisms that would have been laughed off if from another (weird proprietary cabling, required closed-source 'sync' apps, etc.)
asciilifeform: used by men fighting one another?
mircea_popescu: a purely mathematical language won't ever matter politically.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is probably thinking of a hypothetical machine that emulates a living programmer and can be 'made friends with' and spoken to, describing what he wants. in that case - yes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'natural language' for a program makes the same amount of sense as for mathematics. atrociously inefficient and requires very 'unnatural' concessions of rigour or at least standardized disambiguations.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Summer before college I though I'd buy a new Apple on their financing, had not realized company had died. Mercifully was declined and got a used Dell Latitude.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the company 'apple' died, in '99, replaced silently with 'next'. but you knew this.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a boy, i often thought that i would grow up, 'have money', and buy an apple computer - at least to try it (the crippled machines at schools, etc. were an interesting diversion, and i imagined that mac is 'rich man's computer' somehow)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, until such a time as natural language works for coding, there won't be the "evil ai" whatever guy's worried about.
BingoBoingo: The only environment I've ever been similarly confident with was the old "Hot Dog HTML" that was included on the web design for dummies book cd at the local library
asciilifeform: more as a demonstration of how a programming system ought to behave in the general sense
asciilifeform: actually i did not (as an adult, at least) see any actual 'potential' in it - in the sense of 'what could have grown from it'
asciilifeform: it was quite educational in that respect (in the sense of demonstrating, to anyone with half a brain, the inescapable folly of 'natural language' programming)
BingoBoingo: The language itself sucked
BingoBoingo: At the time I had yet to have a computer at home so I bought a bunch of computers and spares for about $10 a pop
iang: right… I recall the Mac people were emotional about it
BingoBoingo: iang: It's the programming environment that shipped on the last of the real Macs. I had picked some up at an auction my school had and was playing with them as my first computers
undata: non-web hyperlink programming environment for the mac
iang: back in the days when we had only single servers and only single operators and only tunnel vision
iang: Luckily I’d sent an email to the founders that said “you’re gonna get busted if you don’t fix it” and that told the feds I wasn’t their drone
iang: In 2000 I was building precious metal exchanges. And staying out of trouble. Which almost snapped shut on me, the whole e-gold story :(
iang: the earliest key I have a password for, it seems
iang: hmmm.. well I’m theoretically limited to 2000 and even that is hard coz gpg doesn’t play nice
BingoBoingo: People suck at naming themselves http://fusion.net/story/32623/sony-pictures-hack-exposes-hollywood-celebrities-secret-aliases/
mircea_popescu: probably the most important thing you can say right off.
iang: yup, not sure I can help, there are a few of us :D
BingoBoingo: Ah, apparently someone whose nick is a similar string of letters to yours encountered him on the twatter earleir today
iang: although he’s not sure who I am either ;-)
BingoBoingo: iang: Are you the person danielpbarron pointed here?
BingoBoingo: So in early bookmaking it looks like they are only giving a 2.5 point spread in the Bitcoin Bowl. That isn't even a field goal
BingoBoingo: It's old news that popped up in my twatter feed again, prolly as part of some cold PR war between the web wallet turds
mircea_popescu: meh on 2nd hand this isn't even worth the mention, and also ancient.
BingoBoingo: Wonder if the lizards had something to do with it.
BingoBoingo: So ran out to Grandpa's to replace the batteries in his TV remote. On the way to the store from his place say a big ass shooting star with a definite green tint.
PeterL: Michigan State will win if they fix the holes exposed by Oregon and Ohio State (Baylor plays a similar spread offence to those teams)
BingoBoingo: They better. We need to start recruiting 300 pounders for our lines so maybe next time we can actually make plays against Alabama by means other than accident.
BingoBoingo: For some definitions of better. Good for them.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Mizzou got a New Years day game. Happy with the lack of scam there from the SEC.
PeterL: what about football scammers? oh wait, the other SEC (I must ahve been reading too much bowl game previews)
PeterL: I put the blog checking onto a separate thread, and now it does not get kicked off from missed pings
asciilifeform: i mean, they both live here with me
ben_vulpes: identifies the observant
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << still b0rk3d ?
punkman: " They will suddenly see strong randomization where they did not before. There may be a few broken because the have a deeply hidden dependency on determinism. Sorry, but that is what it is going to take."
asciilifeform: the difference - at least, once was - taught in school, wherever folks were introduced to the machine
BingoBoingo: Indeed. "To satisfy portable code, srand() may be called to initialize the subsystem. In OpenBSD the seed variable is ignored, and strong random number results will be provided from arc4random(3.) In other systems, the seed variable primes a simplistic deterministic algorithm. If the standardized behavior is required srand_deterministic() can be substituted for srand(), then subsequent rand() calls will return results using the d
mircea_popescu: "The reasons for this are history not known to me, but it might even be linked to Dual_EC_DRBG." <, is, afaik.
mircea_popescu: oh the use of srandom etc. myea.
mircea_popescu: o wait, there be standards ?
gribble: TCP sequence prediction attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_sequence_prediction_attack>; Multiple Vendor TCP Sequence Number Approximation Vulnerability: <http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10183/discuss>; TCP Sequence Prediction Attack - The Tech-FAQ: <http://www.tech-faq.com/tcp-sequence-prediction-attack.html>
asciilifeform: who recalls the tcp sequence number bugs ?
mircea_popescu: ofcourse the actual random r is a general class solution, and provably stronger than prng r for general applications.
mircea_popescu: if hashing or w/e other prngsauce is used, it won't be equal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem only appears if r values are equal
asciilifeform: ok, the 'who' is settled. but the forensic psychiatrist in me is not satisfied - why ?
punkman: me neither, I use dumbphone
punkman: so the Android wallets don't break again
punkman: the R value thing, instead of using RNG, you can just hash tx+key or something like that.
punkman: from linked paper: "The analysis is very disturbing: it appears that the bitcoin core client has NOT yet finalized the process of several security upgrades which propose a solution to this problem (deterministic random generation) event though a first solution was already submitted in January 2013"
asciilifeform: stolen, misplaced, or otherwise
asciilifeform: at least problem in the latter is self-correcting
mircea_popescu: obviously the serious ethical violation and outrageous immorality of them having any btc is why <punkman> I hope he doesn't give anything back
asciilifeform: the enigma of where a creature involved in this perversion would have obtained btc - remains
mircea_popescu: it's a modern solution to a modern problem. meanwhile actual people can get on with their actual work unmolested.
mircea_popescu: so it works out great for all the parts involved : corporations pay ; their employees are kept out of trouble ; third worlders eat.
mircea_popescu: and for the masturbated, "let the superior white man do things for you for a few dollars"
asciilifeform: but you don't move the 'sim
mircea_popescu: it's essentially for the masturbator "play an elaborate sort of sims while pretending to be at work"
asciilifeform: never would have conceived of the reverse.
mircea_popescu: so, all over the world right now, tons of people wasting each other's time in pairs, like retarded marmocets trying to move a ball across the field.
mircea_popescu: the software platform this nonsense happens on is teamviewer (and before that, and to some degree supporting it today, skype)
mircea_popescu: promote a particularly insane view of hiring, where to hire someone for an hour is essentially a nonsexual camwhoring arrangement. you're to tell the op what to do, as micromanagement-y as moving their own hands.
mircea_popescu: inept "hiring"/"outsourcing" websites, modelled after get a freelancer (which has been in fact on an insane buying spree, they recently swallowed up warrior forum - the epicenter of those idiotic "infoproducts" consisting of yellow underlined text and a fetishistic "box" with reflections and whatnot)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by now it's this very special social behaviour, lemme tell you the long story.
undata: sub7 was another
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asciilifeform: from the last article mentioning it - appears to be exactly 'back orifice'
mircea_popescu: "take off your clothes. jack off. vote this on reddit."
mircea_popescu: there's going to be a special agency specialised in giving orders to random derps via teamviewer.
mircea_popescu: is to play the teamviewer bdsm mistress for free.
mircea_popescu: what the us ~~~citizen~~~ expects of its government, after the tsa-at-airport free masturbation test drive
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, that's the future. fucking teamviewer.
punkman: "One of these address' is mine, can you place contact me, I can provide proof with screen shots or teamview."
punkman: "Dude you took from my address, I was saving up for my family for christmas and you went and stolen it this morning.. Please have the heart to give it back, PMing you now"
asciilifeform: 'what you don't know, won't hurt you. it will only decapitate you in one bite and eat the carcass for lunch.'
asciilifeform: the hunchback will be straightened by his grave.
mod6: i imagine these guys just sit there allday looking at pornhub and playing flappy bird on their new galaxy 5s IF they even show up to the session
undata: there are a small but nonzero amount of US politicians that are pro-market and anti-war
mod6: those ten probably just hit the wrong voting button. margin of error or something.
mircea_popescu: This dangerous legislation passed today, December 4, with only ten (!) votes against! Only ten legislators are concerned over the use of blatant propaganda and falsehoods to push such reckless saber-rattling toward Russia. Amash, Duncan, Grayson, Hastings, Jones, Massie, McDermott, Miller, ORourke, Rohrabacher.
undata: reminds me of various family members... "if we'd only get back to the *constitution*!"
undata: poor guy thought the US myth was a real thing
mircea_popescu: in a word, members of congress aren't really that far above executive associates at jack in the box.
mircea_popescu: "How does Congress get away with such blatant falsehoods? Do Members not even bother to read these resolutions before voting?"
undata: I admire old cranky bastards that stick to their guns
mircea_popescu: he's been stuck there what, 70 years ?
mircea_popescu: i wonder what it's like, you know, man captive in the monkey cage @ zoo.
mircea_popescu: "Paragraph 16 of the resolution condemns Russia for selling arms to the Assad government in Syria. It does not mention, of course, that those weapons are going to fight ISIS which we claim is the enemy -- while the US weapons supplied to the rebels in Syria have actually found their way into the hands of ISIS!"
mircea_popescu: also used for the skin itself tho.
jurov: how is that cut in the cloth called in english?
assbot: The Romanian language for other people. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ0Tin )
mircea_popescu: mats http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/#comment-110501 but hey, props for first try.
asciilifeform always wondered if 'rentalstarter' walks perilously close to the electric fence described therein
mircea_popescu: being the most democratically advanced democratic advancement.
mircea_popescu: dub yeah but the us doesn't generally even have torrens deeds.
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2014 18:30:38; mircea_popescu: Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cat
The20YearIRCloud: Big thing has been to have em look over all the financial documents as we're filing taxes for 2014 next month and I didn't want to submit till they had a good idea of it.
mircea_popescu: well, any of 'em in the wot ?
The20YearIRCloud: board of advisors. We built a committe that goes over all the company's financials and details once or twice a month.
The20YearIRCloud: Columbus Oh is like that, the records are fantastic, with additional property photos (not google earth/streetview ones) that the assessor has taken of each home in the county.
The20YearIRCloud: But, at any rate, the individuals on our BOA have access to bank records and property deeds/addresses. Additionally I've re-sent a link to MP just now showing one county's records on us.
dub: I can grab basic detail of any property in my countRy from a single web GIS interface for free, its then $50 for complete records of every time someone farted near it
The20YearIRCloud: The same counties that are intra-net only have the entire county on one giant CAD file that's accurate to within a few centimeters
mircea_popescu: dub it only has unemployment in the cities :D
The20YearIRCloud: Because I had threats 6 months back from people online that they'd call the tenants and threaten em.
The20YearIRCloud: Those are the only two I can think of that i'd use. At any rate I just sent you links to two different auditors, between those two there's 10 different units.
mircea_popescu: how's property register work other than as a public matter.
mircea_popescu: anyway, im pretty sure i never actually evaluated either the site involved or w/e it contained. im entirely unsure why is this not public again ?
The20YearIRCloud: There are counties near us that do not have online access outside of the office specific intranet. You have to call and ask for emails.
mircea_popescu: grep -n "landaccess" FreeNode-the20yearircloud.log FreeNode-the20year.log comes up emtpy.
The20YearIRCloud: Depends on the county
The20YearIRCloud: You can also use the auditor to try and look up the data ,but depending on the county, some auditors are more than a year behind on their record updates.
mircea_popescu: lmao the www thing still an issue on teh webs huh.
mircea_popescu: that the right url ?
The20YearIRCloud: It's not public but if someone REALLY wanted em, i'd make the properties & deeds available. Around last year I gave mircea_popescu deed copies of 2 or 3 of the properties.
The20YearIRCloud: I've already sent messages out to those that i gave em to asking for a reasoning to them not cashing em in. Two guys have already told me they never got em even after I put em in their vehicles.
The20YearIRCloud: mike_c: they wanted to invest more cash directly in the company that would go to our bank, and not buy shares from individuals on the open market.
The20YearIRCloud: Most of em have working smart phones, their statement to me was that they couldn't figure out how to get on IRC.
mike_c: do you see why it would look weird for you to sell shares at an inflated price when your investors could have bought them cheaper on the open market?
The20YearIRCloud: So, in other words : I did what was requested of me with the posters, I get neg repped for them. I did what my shareholders wanted by selling them more treasury shares at a specific USD value, I get neg repped for it. In both cases I did what was asked of me, with proof (Phone numbers and shareholders on my IRC chat) and still get negative rep because of it?
mike_c: !up The20YearIRCloud
The20YearIRCloud: What do you think I did with the posters? Just put em in a closet to have to resell some day in the future?
mircea_popescu: no, you get a negative rating the same way anyone ever did : by making a large enough pile of claims improbable enough.
The20YearIRCloud: And I get a negative rating over their lack of effort
mircea_popescu: what exactly caused them, how they're to be construed etc etc is entirely open to anyone's interpretation.
mircea_popescu: now, these are facts.
The20YearIRCloud: At least, i'm not aware of any codes on them, if there were, they weren't obvious.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud looky at what it says. "If you believe him you're stuck crediting a large pile of very improbable things, such as that no one out of dozen low income renters is interested in cashing ~50 bux worth of free BTC, or that buyers somehow materialize on Havelock to buy shares at 2x the going price for a single IPO day."
jurov: the poster
The20YearIRCloud: Explain why I have a negative rating mentioning the posters. What else am I supposed to do with them?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud i dun want you to do anything specifically.
The20YearIRCloud: I'm asking you what you want me to do when I've given 8 to clients/tenants and none have cashed them in. I've got a negative rating from you over it, so i wouldn't mind resolving it if at all possible.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud well nothing's specifically expected from you, that;s the problem with statistics.
The20YearIRCloud: I'm going back and texting those who got them asking for speciifc explanation on why they didn't cash them in.
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jurov: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/december/04/reckless-congress-declares-war-on-russia/ they insist :(
mircea_popescu: (i know they failed on that power thoroughput specifically, but it's a year old+ bet. it actually improved meanwhile)
The20YearIRCloud: Well, two of the posters look to have disappeared, i texted the guys who had em and it looks like after I put em in their work truck they went away or something.
The20YearIRCloud: Maybe I could give mircea_popescu their phone numbers and he could call em and ask them why? What the heck is expected of me beyond explaining to them how to do it and giving them the poster? Am I expected to spend a hour getting them on IRC and doing it all for them?
The20YearIRCloud: I had told MP that it would have been a much, much better process if I ran a contest or something locally for the posters, that way they would have gone to houses where they wanted them or were higher educated. Yet i even had one tenant flat out refuse the poster after I put in their hands because it was 'too complicated' and 'all we have is a nintendo wii
The20YearIRCloud: And that was the last part of October
The20YearIRCloud: Heck, i gave two out to guys who worked for me, and I know for a fact they're dead broke and they still couldn't figure out how to do it.
The20YearIRCloud: I told them they'd get $35-$40 worth of bitcoins for free, and all it would do is take at worst an hour of their time, at best 5 minutes.
The20YearIRCloud: I've explained for 5-10 minutes per tenant how it worked, to go on IRCwebchat, and to cash them in. I still have the 42 or so left over still sitting in my closet. I can mail em back to someone if they want. Howver i don't know what I am supposed to do if no one follows my directions or the ones on the posters.
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 12:56:26; nubbins`: mircea_popescu:well if he did nubbins has some 'splainin' to do lol. <<< nope, in fact, i am also mildly perturbed by the fact that i mailed over $4,000 of goods to the guy and we didn't even get a couple measly pictures out of it
The20YearIRCloud: But if you want to retaliate at me for my tenants not cashing in the posters.....then so be it. I've tried to do my part in educating them about bitcoin, how to cash them in and so forth. I realize the print cost for the posters was paid out by someone. But I don't understand why you're getting mad at ME over it.
The20YearIRCloud: So far i've given out 8 posters, so far no one has cashed them in, go figure
mats: you have been banished from the island
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask The20YearIRCloud!uid38883@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ktibawvxckycpvip. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user The20Year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=The20Year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=The20Year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 (1 more message)
TomServo: ;;gettrust assbot The20Year
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'The20YearIRCloud', with hostmask 'The20YearIRCloud!uid38883@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ktibawvxckycpvip', is identified as user 'the20year', with GPG key id 359D91C634AE8E53, key fingerprint DF515FC27907A1FC3236C7E8359D91C634AE8E53, and bitcoin address None
mats: ;;ident The20YearIRCloud
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user The20YearIRCloud: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=The20YearIRCloud | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=The20YearIRCloud | Rated since: never
TomServo: ;;gettrust assbot The20YearIRCloud
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user The20YearIRCloud to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=The20YearIRCloud&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
mats: ;;gettrust The20YearIRCloud assbot
asciilifeform: (i've quite forgotten, mercifully, what precisely the thing was. large rack-mount apparatus, that drew ~20 amperes at 120 v.ac. mains.)
The20YearIRCloud: WHat's the trust command?
TomServo: !up The20YearIRCloud
assbot: The20YearIRCloud +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -2
asciilifeform: i.e. 'k out of n cores most of the time, but we promise that with next fw update xxxxxxx [some horseshit]' etc
asciilifeform: incidentally, the one time i saw an asic miner of any sort alive, personally (it belonged to a colleague) its actual 'hash/watt' was quite impossible to ascertain - worked, let's put it charitably, rather inconsistently
asciilifeform: 'nethash' may give one side of the equation (hash), but other (power) remains a mystery
asciilifeform: look at the hash per power figures << who wants to share a link to an experimenter they trust, with valid measurements? because why would i believe a word that ever came out of the manufacturers' mouths (proven liars, to a man, afaik)
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mats: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/E5NU7nXx and as for subtext, idk that there is any ... the man is powerful and developing a young woman, and wants people at the hotel to know it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: mthreat sent them an email inviting them to participate in teh http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
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mircea_popescu: wtf does this work when the "value" given away isn't even worth anything.
mircea_popescu: "Anyone who plans to waste the shareholders' money can undercut the competition. The easiest thing in the world is to charge too little, it is just as easy as spending too much of other people's money. Customers will flock to those who do because they are giving away some, if not all, of the value for free. Somebody may even pick up the underpriced goods and sell them at a profit when the stupid company ceases to ex
rithm: that shitexpress blog post gets my vote for blog post of the year
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> aka 'structured asic' <<< this was true last year. meanwhile tho... look at the hash per power figures.
fluffypony: not the Gameboy cpu?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: nah but a hint, the present is driven by this chip: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricoh_5A22
asciilifeform: 'companies that go bankrupt are a danger to healthy competition. They are able to make their creditors and shareholders pay for their losses and bad management and then to start anew with assets that they essentially got for free, quite unlike the competition that has not gone bankrupt, who have to pay full price for their assets, but quite similar to how their customers have wanted their products, for too little money.'
fluffypony: 'Such a move baffled the veteran bankruptcy judge, Dennis Montali. "What troubled me was to read that Mr. Ochoa will allow the debtor to buy mining boards?" he said from the bench. "This is like a patient that is going to die from three different things and now you're suggesting a fourth surgery," he added. "Now they want to do a hip transplant? Why?"'
mats: TSLA tumbles another 4%
asciilifeform: these have approximately the same relationship with 'proper' asic as 'visual basic' turdware has with traditional computer program by reasonably-competent student of 'c'.
asciilifeform: (re: miner asics: anyone who gives a damn can find, in #b-a logs, my reasonably well-supported hypothesis that miner asic never actually -happened.- that is, there are devices, and they - approximately - work, but they are not 'asics' in the traditional sense. more 'hardcopy fpga.' - actual term of art)
asciilifeform: or give to city dogcatcher, it's for the soap boilers
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: present << a defunct fabless asic co? you can keep that one
asciilifeform: they could as easily write 300, 30, or 3e-10
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what is the skepter of lizard hitler worth? the 300mn is simply the figure usg saw fit to write into the work of fiction
mircea_popescu: they're all fabless.
asciilifeform: ^ other than ft. meade
asciilifeform: if fabless, they owned what? a set of masks, that an undergrad could easily cough up at this point? a list of peculiarly gullible chumps? - anyone with a net connection can regenerate that oen
asciilifeform: 'You can buy the assets of an ASIC miner company for the eminently NOT lowball offer of 20k' (from mircea_popescu's article) << let's guess. fabless asic co. ?
asciilifeform: 'it was what i built and delivered' minus pgp, minus xxx, yyy, hell knows how many details that looked like 'irrelevant hair' to the imbecile
assbot: This is the largest investment in a BTC company to date. http://t.co/MZl7B4Nj9F /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /Mircea_Popescu /hashtag/MPEx?src=hash
asciilifeform: is this another '3 ani experienta' ?
mircea_popescu: because the sort of people who "invented it all 18 years ago" tend (in my experience at least) to also be the sort that won't have their venues limited by kids with fiddy routers.
mircea_popescu: but the noob was an online expert. he'll figure it out.
asciilifeform: neglecting to mention the surprise
mircea_popescu: im still trying to find the annoying part.
mircea_popescu: "and they'd make excellent stickhorses!"
mircea_popescu: seems to me more like discussing @ cavalry officer's mess all about how there's a bunch of reeds on a riverside "free for the taking"
asciilifeform: for now may settle for the classical 'if you sit by the river long enough, you'll see the body of your enemy float by.'
mircea_popescu: no but seriously, so through this or any other million ways one so inclined could create a ddos network. ok, so ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you want the entire recipe that leads to proper corpse, you will have to derive it yourself
ben_vulpes: what's the market telling you?
asciilifeform: the smell of rotting corpse of enemy not incentive ?
mircea_popescu: let 'em figure it out. the stuff's there, they may, eventually they will, who cares.
asciilifeform: until they all get booted by respective isp
asciilifeform: nothing stops anyone reading this from firing up 'tcpdump', logging uncloaked into #b-a a few hundred times, grabbing a dump similar to my own but more complete, and pointing the idiot boxes at, e.g., 'reddit' 24/7/365.
mircea_popescu: i wish to see the noob that does that, rather than coming in here trying to derp about how "they did it 18 years ago"
mircea_popescu: kinda the point lol.
asciilifeform: and anyone who wishes can walk away with them.
asciilifeform: incidentally, if anyone bothered to read the packet dump i posted a while ago, they should know that the ddos bot uses misconfigured consumer routers (upnp reflection)
asciilifeform: (not where i live, they aren't!)