mircea_popescu: look through the research tree, currently eg using a 2x2 shield, 500/100/500
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-15 05:46:30 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951261 << yeah, how much fuck-up can fit in a 12 slot ship, given at least half is forced by module poverty. i'm currently running a wanderer to great funs, look through the later ships they get huge, 100ish slots
mircea_popescu: the moogles managed to make an internetless fakenet for themselves, basically. nfi why they call it the internet, it's like calling their sad socialisms "democracy", anachronism abuse.
mircea_popescu: unfortunately (for them!) i don't own them, nor are they in channel, meaning they haven't access to this font of "obvious, in retrospect" sense. which is the true drawback of "oh, we built our business around the convenience of a website" : it all but enforces missing out on pretty much everything.
mircea_popescu: sadly they don't have a way to record/replay battles, which is stupid, should just have a hash url for any battle.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-15 04:26:28 spyked: also, from what I see, it's made by the same ppl who published infectonator. had a blast with that one (I think I also found about that from mircea_popescu?)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951261 << yeah, how much fuck-up can fit in a 12 slot ship, given at least half is forced by module poverty. i'm currently running a wanderer to great funs, look through the later ships they get huge, 100ish slots
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951253 << asia or latam, ideally. the current server's in moscow, so you know...
mircea_popescu: jfw BFB6E2FF vs http://wot.deedbot.org/0CBC05941D03FD95C3A47654AE0DF306025594B3.html ; and yet you somehow can self-voice. that is pretty bizarre. meanwhile in other glories of great inca infrastructure, http://archive.is/Ea1ZI
spyked has an old gtx 760 at his folks' home, it's been gathering dust for years now
diana_coman: ahahah; but I had to make myself a new computer for working on the client!
spyked: esn't quite amount to 40hrs/month (10/week) though, more like 20-30, so I'll have to use the remaining time for planning/writing etc.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-13 06:04:11 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951098 << that's silly. can't jus ttake the laptop over with you ?
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951108 <-- tried that a while ago, it's quasi-impossible to connect computers not owned by the company to the network, due to all sorts of winbloze and/or spyware requirements on the machine. imo not worth wasting hardware on that; what I'll do instead is get some work-from-home hours, which would also give me almost a full day to focus on the work. this do
spyked: also, from what I see, it's made by the same ppl who published infectonator. had a blast with that one (I think I also found about that from mircea_popescu?)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-13 19:10:45 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in glorious timewastes, space arena! never was the true substance&tragedy of design as a cvasi-rational process so well captured in so little trapping! rarely will one find such a gem of a game, either! it's purrrfect.
jfw: trinque, mircea_popescu: my status on settling the s.nsa auction invoice is that I haven't funded a deedbot wallet before, and the above is encrypted to a key unknown to me, so I would like confirmation from trinque that there isn't some wire crossed and when I deposit, the coin will in fact be assigned to my key.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1068: Two switches used in the late Pizarro's server rack; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 1mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:56.904013 UTC (8 hours 49 mins)
BingoBoingo: It... it's disgusting in ways the US trough style eateries have trouble matching. I suspect it spoiled this entire country on the idea of frying chicken.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Some of the locals have weird, counter-quality tastes.
BingoBoingo: Aite, I'll try to make contact, get him a steak or choripan, and try to put him on the IRC.
mircea_popescu: in other news : there's this dude [www.pornhub.com/model/sleepy_b][sleepy_b] uploading extremely well rendered video to pronsites. he happens to be from uy. is there any chance in hell BingoBoingo might spot him somehows ?
diana_coman: come to think of it, I guess that's the root cause of my despising hope really.
diana_coman: ahahha, I don't recall it but it does fit his utterings as I got to read them otherwise, for sure.
diana_coman: I thought that was the comedy! lolz
mircea_popescu: in the end, the doom of self-expression as a ~default~ activity, occuring ~in the absence of understanding~ ; and the power of understanding dervied thereby, to actually inhibit action very much stands as the exact definition of the tragedy of human condition. a trite point, at that.
diana_coman: I suppose I'd call it along the lines of "give them hope it works"; because it's also quite the only way it can work given the other side of "make idiocy cost more" - for as long as there is hope, the cost will be happily paid.
mircea_popescu: in the end, the tragedy of human existence is that everyone gets exactly what they thought they wanted.
mircea_popescu: highly successful at it, too. in fact, the one key feature of any reality simulation. "does your terrarium make idiots think their idiocy works ?" pass/fail.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, why not ? idiots ~should~ waste themselves, it's the only point of nature.
BingoBoingo also unsure about encouraging the simple retard flavor of spammer by making it seem like what they does is working.
mircea_popescu: then the bootstrapping problem. "suppose you let the wot work it, make trilema be gossipd, people can see the comments of people they talk to"
mircea_popescu: on some level, the obviousness of "why should i be forced to decide either all or none" grates. false dilemma. but on the other end, the practicalities of "alright... distinguish then" are insurmountable.
mircea_popescu: the drawback is that most spam ops use diff boxes for harvesting and posting, sadly.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm considering getting an upgrade for mp-wp, wherein comments marked as spam are displayed for as long as the ip they were made from is loading the page
BingoBoingo: Who needs the big picture when you can hide in some details?
BingoBoingo: I imagine their engineers in government imagine that being more Zamibia will let them carry their socialism further on stored energy. "Cheaper!!!" Nevermind Uruguay, Argentina, and Scandanavia demonstrating the opposite.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing ; subsaharan africa === western europe today. pretense notwithstanding (spoiler : exactly equal amts of pretense on BOTH camps)
mircea_popescu: well, the first part for sure. for all the "not racist" blather, the euro-africans literally think there's some magic in the string "netherlands" that prevents it outright from simply being zamibia.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, "As documented on this blog, undertaking the remains of Pizarro has continued, as documented on this blog."
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy. "civilised world" amirite, except for the part where nobody needs them for anything.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/11/netherland-halting-economic-activity-on-multiple-fronts-over-nitrogen-emissions-crisis/ << Qntra -- Netherlands Halting Economic Activity On Multiple Fronts Over "Nitrogen Emissions Crisis"
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/of-tits-and-masks-and-other-things/ << Trilema -- Of tits, and masks, and other things
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-14 06:05:06 mircea_popescu: dorion, you know, your article skips over the most interesting parts. i can sorta-kinda fill in a sentence like "The bank prevented us from dealing directly with clients in our country of residence 2 as the brokers were never required to obtain any sort of securities license." thus curing it into standing ; but i suspect i might be the ~only one.
dorion: circle back on that article to drill down on the more interesting points in subsequent pieces, and for sure work to limit scope moving forward.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951170 << thanks for the feedback, and I wholeheartedly agree with this point. the initial articles I've set myself with have tended to be: go eat this elephant in one sitting with dull utensils. I end up swallowing chunks whole making digestion more expensive. I'll see what I can do to
mircea_popescu: sorry for the confounding.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-14 06:05:06 mircea_popescu: dorion, you know, your article skips over the most interesting parts. i can sorta-kinda fill in a sentence like "The bank prevented us from dealing directly with clients in our country of residence 2 as the brokers were never required to obtain any sort of securities license." thus curing it into standing ; but i suspect i might be the ~only one.
diana_coman: other than that the dc itself & tech side, it all looked quite good really; a rather pleasant thing to see all things in their place and ordered and properly provisioned and all that; but myeah.
diana_coman: anyways; I have pics and I'll still write up the whole thing.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: myeah but what can I say; fwiw I didn't hold much back eg directly told him that ahem, I can see how it's "convenient" for them but that sort of convenience has a cost and moreover it's totally inconvenient for me.
mircea_popescu: when i say "the great success of lamp", i mean things quite like ^
diana_coman: essentially I'd need to fully interface there
diana_coman: 2. payment in gbp and invoicing with all their bells and whistles
diana_coman: on the negative side, they are totally married to 1. their account-on-website system because, quote "I've built the business around this"
diana_coman: I just came back from the dc visit too; on the plus side, they are still small enough to be able to get to know them and they seem reasonably interested/able to actually have a conversation;
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, did the whatever you were trying locally die ?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951120 - currently I would go with the e5-2620; not only on larger ram & more threads aspect but also because looking at what is available otherwise, it seems to me that this at least hits on the "widely available" even more than the e3, esp in the longer term; fwiw yest I looked at what servers I could source here as well and sourcing AMDs seems to be mainly an American thing.
mircea_popescu: dorion, you know, your article skips over the most interesting parts. i can sorta-kinda fill in a sentence like "The bank prevented us from dealing directly with clients in our country of residence 2 as the brokers were never required to obtain any sort of securities license." thus curing it into standing ; but i suspect i might be the ~only one.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in glorious timewastes, space arena! never was the true substance&tragedy of design as a cvasi-rational process so well captured in so little trapping! rarely will one find such a gem of a game, either! it's purrrfect.
bvt: ty, i guess after the article it will become possible to decide what to use for each of the hashes; after that one more patch - user-settable key for hashing, and rng work will be done
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 22:03:27 mircea_popescu: bvt, once done fixing the kernel rng, you wana join in this fray by the way ?
bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950799 << yes, sure. the article with measurements will definitely come tomorrow -- most of it is written, measurents - finished, bugs - fixed.
BingoBoingo: In local news, the day of the last Presidential debate... The Argentina's president-elect came for a big photo shoot with Uruguay's sitting president and the Fat Forehead nominee. I am having serious trouble conceiving a situation where the commies aren't trying to throw the contest.
BingoBoingo priviledged the deedbot returned ledgers and invoice statements over the notes in mathing, though everything was math'd. Repeatedly. Still I admit the room for error to creep in when doing math on calulator and will entertain claims, but preferably sooner instead of later.
diana_coman: it's ok, now I see where I had it wrong, got confused re start/end on the RK; it's fine as it is, thank you BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: But yes, everyone got prorated by time to figure out their customer equity.
BingoBoingo: I split all of mircea_popescu_popescu's things for their being used for different ventures, wasn't sure if anyone else wanted that in the paying out.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, on the basis of smg experience, he prorated by time
BingoBoingo: And the spew's been silenced
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Right, I put in on the 'anyserver' but haven't done any tweaks to it other than making it clear the operation is closed/closing. I'll give it a couple minutes and see if I can silence the spew.
BingoBoingo: Even down here the little shim for converting laptop optical disc bays into generic 2.5" SATA drive bays are common enough finding one wasn't a headache
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 21:58:37 trinque: if that's possible, it opens up kids throwing the thing into w/e school computer, like we used to do with quake back in the day.
mircea_popescu: ayer to buy a 256gb one or w/e. or alternatively... to only save the MOST USED 32 gb.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1951034 << the more i think about this, the less a problem i perceive. i mean, nobody even uses cd boot anymore, they do the hybrid thing so you can use the image on sticks too. well... there's 32gb sticks for ~free, you just set it with a data partition and that's that. in the very unlikely case someone actually has enough artwork to fill 32gb, um... you just tell the pl
mircea_popescu: ok so then ima put this on ice for a few.
diana_coman: I'll take my camera tomorrow and hopefully find some time in the evening to blog it up too
diana_coman: at the end of the day, if I get a rack or whatevers next to me, I can just as well plonk a server in there
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much all e3/e5. i could perhaps squeeze a celeron if pressed, but there's no amds.
diana_coman: that's the thing, that I'm not sure that it makes all that big difference really esp atm.
mircea_popescu: they're intels tho.
diana_coman: myeah, I was just having a look at the specs
mircea_popescu: the latter has significant larger ram aperture (3x the speed, 16x the address space) and significantly more threads possibly (24 vs 8)
diana_coman: a lot of the deps there are not fully mandatory in that if one wants, one can run the client anyway but at the extreme this goes to "well, if one WANTS TO, one can make their own bloody text client already and run that"
mircea_popescu: and we intend to muchly broaden the extant gfx basis anyway, hence all these self-curing client genuflexions
diana_coman: fwiw I actually ran it without that toolkit but the resulting quality of graphics is visibly low.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-13 05:05:55 spyked: ftr, I was considering doing my initial cuntoo boostrapper install on a qemu. I've gotten disk images and kernels prepped for that environment in the past, it's pretty easy due to the absence of odd vendor-specific drivers. this is probably not appropriate for gfx work though.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-13#1951098 << that's silly. can't jus ttake the laptop over with you ?
mircea_popescu: a LOT can be accomplished in ten hours, provided one doesn't pay any being an engineer rents with them.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-13 04:54:57 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950779 <-- around 10 hrs, plus-minus 2. it's not much time, but I aim to, as much as possible, stick to that 10hrs/week figure and properly break down/manage the tasks I can fit into this time.
diana_coman: spyked: the eulora client build guides are still up to date, yes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 21:56:47 trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1951029 <-- just to be as pedantic as possible: plus all the deps needed to run the eulora client. from what I understand, would have to produce static builds of these, which touches new ground. not sure if e.g. http://www.eulorum.org/Gentoo is up to date, but we'd be the first to attempt doing a static build of nvidia-toolkit.
spyked: ^ imho would be worth doing this either way, if only because my familiarity with cuntoo so far is limited to reading the bootstrapper scripts.
spyked: ftr, I was considering doing my initial cuntoo boostrapper install on a qemu. I've gotten disk images and kernels prepped for that environment in the past, it's pretty easy due to the absence of odd vendor-specific drivers. this is probably not appropriate for gfx work though.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1951078 <-- I have an old thinkpad with an intel 3000 (works decently for games that don't ask for the latest shaders & crap) and perhaps I could get my hands on other GPUs. the problematic point is that I'm spending a considerable portion of that allocated 10hrs in saeculum, without physical access to the hardware. so would have to work out some routine for
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950779 <-- around 10 hrs, plus-minus 2. it's not much time, but I aim to, as much as possible, stick to that 10hrs/week figure and properly break down/manage the tasks I can fit into this time.
diana_coman: other than that, great to read a trinque-heavy log for once, ha.
diana_coman: even better, just publish the damned thing already, will you?
diana_coman: trinque: ask me if there's any info you need from me; and are you going to answer this century re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950568 ?
lobbes: mircea_popescu: nice bug findin'. I'll make sure it is rolled into the patch
mircea_popescu: lobbes, http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/#comment-132249 << in other lulz.
lobbes: I'm aiming to get remainder of mp-wp logger complete in under two weeks. Then rest of Nov I want to tidy up auctionbot. So Dec 1st should be a good starting point for me
trinque: but I want to know who wants to eat the thing with me, and start talking to them on a regular basis.
trinque: I don't want to burn anything out. I think it's upon me to specify this thing, receive feedback, and then delegate tasks.
lobbes: just to be clear, my I believe role in this thing (at least to start) should be at the bottom of the totem pole. I have much to learn still but am willing to work. Though I will need management on what exactly to work on. I don't think I even could have conducted the client interviews on the level trinque (or jfw, for that matter) did. I simply do not have enough experience yet
trinque: more the merrier, to a point. so long as it's *directed* effort
lobbes: trinque: I am around (and have been following the conversation)
mircea_popescu: potentially there's a good half dozen hands here, if ave1 & bvt can be seduced into it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 16:59:38 jfw: dorion and I have a few consulting clients that are learning linux/unix for the first time. We use the distribution ourselves for niches it's able to fill, and we considered it a good learning environment due to avoiding various complexities
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950667 << seems like there's a lot of overlap, yes
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the new kids got sucked into this also.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-11 20:24:11 trinque: I'm thinking you and he could turn this into a proper consulting gig if they like what you produce, and I'm happy to manage / advise such an endeavor.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950546 << this stands, and what I meant wasn't the bastardized american version, where you feed the client shit til he notices.
trinque: I'd like to chat before any of this, and come to an agreement on how we work together
trinque: also fuck not acting because tomorrow there'll be even better icecream
trinque: but it's just not further than speculative, and I don't want people chasing after it
trinque: I am working on that other item, and I was telling the guys *not* to worry about it for now.
trinque: if that's possible, it opens up kids throwing the thing into w/e school computer, like we used to do with quake back in the day.
mircea_popescu: not necessarily. a dvd is what, coupla gb. a recent client could just pack its data disk there.
trinque: this I am willing to actively manage spyked and lobbes to produce, if they will. others also may apply.
trinque: k, so this is little else than creating a signed tarball of the cuntoo bootstrapper's output, and building a livecd/usb that can unpack that item onto a fresh system, bundled with some driver firmware and a try-all-modules kernel.
mircea_popescu: so it's a sort of perma-bootstrapper of the game
mircea_popescu: the idea is that the client runs on its own responsibility, asks server for all items it dun have.
trinque: meaning that you can't play in there, just install
trinque: k, so not much fun to be had in the livecd.
trinque: gpg keys? assuming the kid gpgs on same machine
trinque: what is it that would even be persisted to the disk?
trinque: the cuntoo bootstrapper I produced was misery in that it either produced a booting drive, or fuck you peasant, learn moar.
trinque: I think it's beneficial to have the thing able to run as a livecd, with option to install.
mircea_popescu: trinque, i agree ; it just needs the doing.
trinque: walking through the list of firmware one needs for these isn't insurmountable. I've got a radeon box sitting here that runs cuntoo
mircea_popescu: in fairness, game as it stands works fine w/o acceleration anyways. so it's a lot more portable in practice than the theoretical extension.
trinque: so the target is a tower of some kind a sharp kid might have, or be able to build
mircea_popescu: ~not if they can help it~
trinque: I'm just marking off the limits here
mircea_popescu: stupid idea. you just get more of the same crap.
mircea_popescu: the idea is to construct funel towards republic, so he needn't be dumb. but he might be new
trinque: so then oldschool boot cd, and you can play from it, and you can install if you want?
trinque: this is their first exposure to an adult operating system?
trinque: who is the user?
mircea_popescu: if i knew of something giving a leg to stand on i'd push it, but atm got nothing there, so yeah
trinque: I wasn't proposing using actual steam, but the approach, which probably would still suffer from what you say.
mircea_popescu: ie, at any given moment some significant percentage of hw configs are unsupportable, and there's ~no way to predict which.
mircea_popescu: it will half the time "upgrade" itself into unrecoverable broken state.
mircea_popescu: i don't even mean this in any kind of theoretical sense, i've been testing it.
trinque: yep, just enumerating. what about bundling the necessary libs alongside. afaik this is what steam does, static linking for idiots
mircea_popescu: it's actually the broken glass we're trying to extract through all this process.
trinque: considered statically compiling the whole game, and letting the kids run wherever, or not desirable?
mircea_popescu: ideally these share as much of a trunk as possible.
mircea_popescu: there's two portions current minigame strat needs from os. there's a server os, which has to be static-linkable. there's a client os, which has to be portable and support gfx.
trinque 's last signal reads " diana_coman, pls to tell me what the hell you intend to do with this thing"
mircea_popescu: or one could just you know, chip at it and signal with others to help.
trinque: it is hard from where I sit to reconcile this "the work must be done whatever the cost" with any sense of survivability. so one says either the latter doesn't matter, or one's to fill that gap himself.
trinque: heh, where's the quote where you say if you're worth a shit, being poor just kinda brushes off.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 16:59:38 jfw: dorion and I have a few consulting clients that are learning linux/unix for the first time. We use the distribution ourselves for niches it's able to fill, and we considered it a good learning environment due to avoiding various complexities
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950667 << this dude is literally taking the approach I'm prescribing.
trinque: I didn't say sell the OS.
mircea_popescu: now, as to the putative customer approach : i dun specifically want to make a new os for every single app we come up with. i'd like to make one and be done with it, such that minigame can use it, trb can use it, everyone can fucking use it.
mircea_popescu: i dun think you're a lazy man. currently i think you grew up in a house with a lot of door slamming as a rhetorical device, but that's really neither here nor there.
mircea_popescu: trinque, there's large gaps between what's actually said and what you construe what's said to mean on the uptake ; and there's similarily large gaps between what you actually say and what you expect it to be taken as, on the rebound.
trinque: yes but they don't remain ill defined, lest years be spent toiling in the wrong direction, or circles.
mircea_popescu: anyways. all jobs are perpetually ill defined. that's why they need doing. if they were well defined they also would have been done, past tense.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-11 20:22:50 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-08#1950231 << since I've got the botwork already in flight on my end, what do you say you and lobbes tackle making cuntoo into a usable item for mp_en_viaje and diana_coman ?
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950544 << here and down, and they agreed, and I have not heard from them in #trinque , is where we stand.
trinque: the last thing I said on teh subj is for those two gents to interview their potential customer and find out what they want, and report it to me
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:32:29 mircea_popescu: trinque, suppose spyked's game, and what you have to do is run the two fellows + whatever we can meaningfully accrete through the tmsr-ization of cuntoo.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 13:51:42 mircea_popescu: and as to the "bois etc" -- is very well fucking earned. the logs since http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-06#1950066 ie a week ago are sorely missing a "trinque: yeah, I WILL DO THAT". or an equally clear, "no, i won't do that". this is what separates the bois from the men : FIRM committments.
mircea_popescu: i don't think we're talking on the same basis here. i dunno how your "omg, faggot, do actual work" maps on the actual occurence.
trinque: and yes, I'm not doing the monastic thing. I went on about this ad nauseum with much rustling of jimmies.
mircea_popescu: and i dunno what the gap is! make it plain, what is it, what's the difference between whatever this is and whatever a business'd be, an' pinpoint the allergy neh ?
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/11/central-european-retrospective-frague/ << The Whet -- Central European Retrospective: Frague
BingoBoingo: ^ This should cover the debts and customer equity. This leaves the auction completion and shareholder equity following from that on the to do list.
BingoBoingo: whenever deedbot bakes the response...
mircea_popescu: lobbes, so, to be practical here : put the log you have through the works, then we can see ot ?
lobbes: mircea_popescu: I can't see any reasons why not. Sure thing. I'll reach out to them
lobbes: mircea_popescu, I'm currently using colocation america but the jury is still out on them imo. They are very responsive and accommodating, but I'm only renting a server from them (have not tried actual colocation)
BingoBoingo: If he was headed this way, Mexican embassy is close but he probably would have just stopped for asylumn here until at least March when the new government swears in
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He already became a Northern Hemisphere problem. Also landed in the other hotter, drier (zebu cattle) guay.
mircea_popescu: cool. the only thing is... i'd like a distant server. where do you currently host ?
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/11/mexican-military-plane-carrying-evo-morales-diverted-to-paraguay-after-peru-and-others-closed-airspace/ << Qntra -- Mexican Military Plane Carrying Evo Morales Diverted To Paraguay After Peru And Others Closed Airspace
lobbes: oh oh , you DID add the hourly delimiters tho
mircea_popescu: this is stupid, if mp-wp becomes the de facto platform we'll be stuck with timeless logs. ;/
lobbes: so yeah, not much work but I just need to tweak the 'conversion'
mircea_popescu: but what is the difference lol
lobbes: what I mean, is that output takes input directly from IRC and then does the formatting. Not like it is reading local logs I have saved
mircea_popescu: yes but how is the bot gonna post going forward ? you already have that converter don't you ?!
mircea_popescu: you ~do~ have the log atm on display no ?
lobbes: well, my logs to the mysql db
lobbes: well, I mean the 'new' logs wouldn't start until bot is live anyways.
mircea_popescu: ok. as a preliminary step, ima publish old logs on trilema, so they're in the db, so they get transferred automatically.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: I'm good to begin installation if you do get box. I'm still looking into getting proper "echo of blog lines" created, but the rest of the bot is ready
mircea_popescu: it was the orig spec
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: he seems to just need someone to commit to ownership of the thing he did, lolz
diana_coman: it's ok, "we have" the manpower waiting to commit there and all it takes is just someone to commit to ownership.
lobbes: mircea_popescu: well, I was under the assumption you'd get a box with a trilema copy, and then I'd stand up bot on said box
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu jfw dorion diana_coman lobbes: thank you for the clean, clear, logs
lobbes: mircea_popescu: how would you like to testrun? If you just want to play with the demo connected to my testblog, I can simply bring the bot into #t sometime tonight
diana_coman: there is actually even worse, an initial "reverence" , ugh
mircea_popescu: only as a temporary measure if anything. help them build a solid basis upon which to properly disdain the engineers.
diana_coman: fwiw I wouldn't shoehorn anyone into more tech; maybe the opposite, if anything.
jfw: hehe. thanks for the time & feedback
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to shoehorn him into the wrong hole if i can help it
mircea_popescu: jfw, hey, it's a free slavery thing, people can do their own part
mircea_popescu: lobbes, how long till i get to testrun that delivery!!! i'm leaving for the orient in a few weeks you realise!
mircea_popescu: there;s oodlebunches of work in a large project that don't involve scrutinizing arcana
dorion: right now I'd take the former because I think I'd be more useful in a shorter period of time.
mircea_popescu: i think either line can be pursued, either we attach you to whoever's in charge as an administrative trainee or else you get piecemeal tasks on the tech side.
dorion: mircea_popescu I think my strength at present it more on the pm side and communicating to non-technical people why they should take interest in sane computing. Part of my role has been bring people for jfw to teach. With that being said, I am interested in improving my technical skills.
jfw: my schedule seems pretty packed at least through the end of 2019, perhaps at that point I could make something like 20 hours per week, will have to consider
mircea_popescu: dorion, is your interest rather in the pm side of things ? or are you tryina learn how to code as well ?
jfw: good then. Is there a particular level of time commitment you're looking for on the OS project as far as manpower?
jfw: My understanding from earlier cuntoo thread is someone needs to step up to *own* the project; to be clear, I doubt I'd be prepared for such a thing right now, but yes it works for me to work with other people.
mircea_popescu: well, so would an arrangement whereby you work with other people to develop a workable tmsr os work for you then ?
mircea_popescu: how long have you two known each other ? with dorion i mean ?
jfw: I've committed fully to diana_coman's mentorship, a big part of which is because I want to be useful in the republic generally.
mircea_popescu: if 1% of 1% of the million can be convinced to be fucking sane, that's already enough people to finish the damn thing already.
mircea_popescu: kinda why i don't give the first flying fuck how many retard bois "get upset" or whatever, the demons/voices/their mom tells them to choke on chodes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 03:51:20 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-11#1950551 - is this going to diverge then ie there's cuntoo and then there's infectious linux and something else or what? I'm rather confused now as to directions; for that matter and for the forum, there's in principle also jfw's Gales distro if we are at that; I'd rather see the effort focused and coordin
mircea_popescu: if there's one million engineer bois out there, and if the destiny of an engineer boi is to make an os, worth 100k man-hours, and if they never talk to each other, the result will be 7-800k empty boxes containing no os, but three to four figure wasted hours.
dorion: mircea_popescu point taken, thank you. jfw reviewing the contract, Gales Linux is described as your original software, but I don't know the legal standing of that claim.
mircea_popescu: counting ave1 s putative item, this promises to be three not-quite-usable, not-so-published identical reworks of the same damned thing.
jfw: well, I already had my thing working and thought myself to have other priorities
jfw: ty mircea_popescu, underscores the importance of getting it published.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile : you ever looked at the cuntoo thing ?
mircea_popescu: dorion, yes, well, i'm not young hands ; and i'll tell you what anyone in a similar position will tell you : code made to oder and not published is generally suspect of being, at least in the view of some party somewhere, their property.
jfw: people can claim things, but the facts as I understand them are that I developed the system on my own, and they did not purchase any ownership in it.
jfw: dorion, do you recall if this is possible based on what we wrote in the consulting agreement?
mircea_popescu: so you know, come 2025, is there some durbles gonna show up "oh, gales was really developed by outside help for my corp!!!"