mircea_popescu: the disadvantages of natural language.
mircea_popescu: i think what ~really~ happened was term vicious switched parser into interpreting ~your~ quotes as neutral (she's taking from the log) whereas they were in fact overloaded (she's using them to convey faux smart tone on being smart).
mircea_popescu: honestly, i think you have it. the quotes are there, the discussion is here, he who reads understands.
mircea_popescu: well now i gotta re-read the summary :)
diana_coman: hm, I did not read it as a neutral symbol, hence my "" for it; but I don't really know how to convey more clearly that it's the opposite of actual smart (other than either explicitly noting that or using the "" that seems to fail to work)
mircea_popescu: i think the summary takes smart as a neutral symbol, whereas in the logs it was used as a very overloaded symbol.
diana_coman: in the original discussion in the logs; my q is whether the summary seems to miss the point somehow/convey a different "smart" ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman "in there" where ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you're very likely right, i expect a major stone on nicole's back was precisely this : man re-reading has to reconstruct a cognitive structure. cost of this is 0 for man who's been reading and has it pre-built ; cost is small for man who lost it, but was there and knows how to build it. cost is immense for man that tries to learn how to build at the same time as building.
diana_coman: yes; that's the sense of smart in there, sure; does it seem different from the summary or what?
a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 18:57 mircea_popescu: which i stand behind, ftr ; and it is also what informs the "if they had any sense -- they'd be here" stance. the fact that rando can't cut through fetlife to find the meat / can't cut through internet to find trilema / can't cut through femstate to find bitcoin / can't cut through pantsuitism to find republic etc specifically means that rando is dull, ie, not smart.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-09 09:02 Mocky: of course 'smart toasting' was the opposite of smart
mircea_popescu: see, because it's evidently ~the exact opposite~ of the traditional definition of smart, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-09#1870361 like. ie, republican notion of smartness is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863577 whereas what happens here is that something is faux-simplified at massive cost.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, well, someone has to make them for them to exist at all! and yeah, this one is significantly longer and also took a couple of hours more; I suspect the longer I go back the longer it will take because more recent ones have the advantage of being relatively fresh in my mind - I keep up with the log throughout the day to some extent anyway
mircea_popescu: part of the problem being that we traditionally use " to render pantsuit nonsense, and i suppose it ended up coloring the quotes or something.
asciilifeform: (picture if these existed for whole thing!)
mircea_popescu: i think maybe the problem is that we omitted " around the smart, though the intention transparently is "smart as understood by mainstream idiots".
diana_coman: not unusual for conversations in #trilema either
diana_coman: ftr I don't mean it in the sense that anyone in there got attacked; simply in the sense that it started from something and ended up in an entirely (if totally valid!) different place
diana_coman: yes, but going from vdiff to "being smart" of people sounds rather vicious to me
mircea_popescu: i mean, the point re "do not turn signal processor into state machine nor your wire into a cable" seems both time honored and uncontroversial.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ries, later published books full of garbage (this was in the 30's and 40's). The rest of the world was uncertain what had been proven and what not. He gave a keynote speech at the first Int Congress after the war in 1950, but his mistakes were becoming clearer and clearer. It took the efforts of 2 great men, Zariski and Weil, to clean up the mess in the 40's and 50's although dredging this morass for its correct results continues occ
asciilifeform: ere often special highly singular cases which later turned out to be central to understanding a situation). He used to talk about posing "critical doubts". He had his own standards and was happy to reexamine a "proof" and make it more nearly complete. Unfortunately Severi, the last in the line, a fascist with a dictatorial temperament, really killed the whole school because, although he started off with brilliant and correct discove
asciilifeform: 'the Italian school of algebraic geometry, which produced extremely good and deep results for some 50 years, but then went to pieces. There are 3 key names here -- Castelnuovo, Enriques and Severi. C was earliest and was totally rigorous, a splendid mathematician. E came next and, as far as I know, never published anything that was false, though he openly acknowledged that some of his proofs didn't cover every possible case (there w
asciilifeform: the 'thinking' goes, 'if we derp from podium 24/7/365 re how 'security' means microshit-cum-latest-servicepack, erryone will believe' , or somesuch
asciilifeform: 'cyber threats' is, a la prb, smoke grenade to obscure the actual ur-'cyberthreat' to reich, i.e. comp stack sans usg
mircea_popescu: there, took me five minutes typing and half a second's thought to demolish the intellectual produce of centcom since 2001.
mircea_popescu: if it had, they might've noticed what the ~necessary correlate~ is. how's one to be inconsequential and important ?
mircea_popescu: and to go back to the "thin english" thread : somehow it never occured to them the ~proper name~ for their ideology is "inconsequentialism". because english doesn't force such, which is why and how it's entirely inadherent to humour (in the odessa sense of term).
asciilifeform: while that set is close enuff to the min reqd to keep 'biz as usual' humming, on it goes
mircea_popescu: still, the ~reason~ anyone even maintains a general staff, as opposed to "shoulda killed them all, like stalin", is precisely that left to their own devices, tacticians find the rakes shaped like their face.
asciilifeform: the algo dun eggog until brezhn^H^H^Hobummer orders a pallet of abrams armor and it dun show up.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's a rake particularly fit for the exact shape of their face, because the principal mental issue of anglotards is their overwhelming anxiety.
mircea_popescu: right ? all converges to the same idiocy, namely "mp doesn't seem to need to be concerned with consequences and so the path to be him is, you know, douchebaggin' it"
asciilifeform: their Official ideology, near as i can tell, is 'budgets are for the lesser mortals who can't print green'
mircea_popescu: how exactly they imagine the dumb & deaf can win anything is anyone's guess, but there they go.
mircea_popescu: as a ~result~ of this idocy, the pellet of lost dollars in iraq, and the incapacity to produce a budget, and all the http://qntra.net/2018/12/fbi-entraps-young-woman-into-terrorism-charges-by-becoming-her-entire-social-circle/ wank and so on.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in passing, here's the lulziest "vulnerability" of the whole edifice : for some reason ustards decided that "inconsequentialism" is the golden key to victory, and therefore a) divorcing their thought process from any contemplation of the consequence of their actions and b) inducing everyone else to preoccupy themselves with "consequences" is the path to victory.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they can talk till they drop. the republic owns the internet like it owns everything else that exists, and the entire space of the ~possibility~ of expression.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 21:42 asciilifeform: 'John Mallery @jcmallery_cyber 25 Dec 2017 Declinism is a psyop of adversaries...it was spread before during the Vietnam war.' << ahahahaha gold
mircea_popescu: https://cis-india.org/internet-governance/issues-in-internet-governance << indian top keks, their early reconnaissance teams found out how to eat the ustard sandwich, and there they crowd.
asciilifeform: tho still bit of a puzzler, the green print defo dun show 100% of side-a trax
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881607 << kinda how it went then neh. hence the fixing wiring etc.
asciilifeform: i'd be at least mildly surprised if i learned today that the place hasn't yet been bulldozed and converted to microshit; but all kindsa miracles are possible, e.g. usg rocket command still runs on 100% dec vax and no plans to stop 'till 2050' Officially
asciilifeform: passed, thirdhand, 'the brass erru year want to close it down but the greybeard defends, 'these are the only machines that never once crashed' '
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 16:22 mircea_popescu: very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-14#795515 : NONE, and i mean it : not a single FUCKING ONE of these "government-sponsored oligarchs" have a penny to their name. every single one "powerful" of the democracy-socialism, be they a senator, a general, a "famous person", a "journalist", WHATHEVER they may be, made out, at all. not like bandits, not like anythings, they're as poor as church mice.
asciilifeform: ( iirc mallery 'bought' the 'properties' for an amt that does not by many zeroes exceed what asciilifeform bought the 1 box for . entirely a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831755 scenario, near as i can tell. )
a111: Logged on 2015-06-10 03:40 asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)
asciilifeform: my current model is that 'hitler' put him in charge of the bottled remains of bolix for the elementary http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1158785 reason.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: d00d is by all appearances a veritable platinum standard of ustardism. the sheer pseudointellectual garbage he spews on his podium, defies description
BingoBoingo: Ughhh, ustardism. Apparently I have been spoiled by a country where it is less challenging for me to piss on former and sitting president's doorknobs than it is for them to piss on mine.
asciilifeform: somewhere in those godforsaken lands presumably. derping on re 'cyber arms control' and other usgisms.
asciilifeform: dks is the latter's slave
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the correct vent to shit in is that mallery d00d's
BingoBoingo: And it isn't like the Republic lacks people who could conveniently shit in his air conditioner
asciilifeform: phf srsly what gives ? wai not just post the uncensored dump. dks certainly aint coming to moscow to shit in your air conditioner.
asciilifeform: some good ~spywork~ would cut the headache down 9000x. but asciilifeform is apparently not very good at this.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well, whoopdeedoo... if instead of letting the ants eat your dumb asses you ate the ants, it'd be the other way. and until it isn't the other way, it'll keep being this way, grand discovery this. << This is. I'm setting up mp-wp for a lead danielpbarron directed to us.
asciilifeform: and that actel, it's a 1200 gate antifuse fpga (well, without the 'f', lol), turns out.
BingoBoingo: Very interesting and 1980's of them
asciilifeform: but will make the pcb rev job slightly less of a bitch.
asciilifeform: i suspect it'll still need xray, that green quite definitely dun acct for all the pins
asciilifeform: they're copies from side a
asciilifeform: i suspect that the greens are ~pain~
asciilifeform: and before anyone asks, no i have nfi what bolix (or the ravages of time...) did to that solder mask to make the tracks look like dash
asciilifeform: in other noose, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2857&cpage=1#comment-19764 << not earth-shaking but proves that the comment box does work..
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 20:13 mircea_popescu: it's not even clever, it's the necessary and evident approach. which yes, is better than clever.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881556 << there may be a way to use the floor(2^k / M) ~quotient~ to determine the E . but i'ma leave this alone until end of series, it won't make a superlinear diff in the runtime
asciilifeform: there are bypass caps apparently hand-soldered to socketed (!) PALs, too, will make pulling'em a bitch
asciilifeform: the empty seats inscribed 'spare' also interesting, and reminiscent of ye olde ibm pc with 'hey, some drams rotten, we'll sit new ones on top'
asciilifeform: ( at today's clocks, if you 'oops' the pcb you gotta throw it out and cut off some heads )
asciilifeform: they happened , i suppose, when engineer 'oops'. i've found'em even in 486.
asciilifeform: observe also the apparently-inevitable, in '80s iron, blue 'bodge' wires !
asciilifeform: all of'em have inscriptions of the form DDDDDD-A/B, aside from the fpga (has just the #), and the serialnum chip (cypress, and i'ma post full output from the knife+notebook when i post whole orchestra)
asciilifeform: items with stickers, and a few without (engraved, clearly burned at factory rather than by hand) , are PAL/GAL
asciilifeform: ( the column of 'toshiba' is sram )
asciilifeform: it is interesting that literally errything, other than the filter caps and the drams, is socketed.
asciilifeform: y'know, the folx who make crapples
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a reason i wrote the thing that way, with 'what's the minimum for rsa modexp without ANY accelerations', and only then with
asciilifeform: ( and yes got bottom side pic and close-ups etc. there are no components on side2, only trax )
asciilifeform: and before anybody asks, yes the box still worked on reassembly.
asciilifeform: phf: i fear that it'll take an entire weekend to go through the pics ( plux i wanna redo whole thing with a tripod and macro lens, and the latter i gotta find ) , but to whet appetite, have a http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bolix/bolix_peek.jpg
mircea_popescu: it's not even clever, it's the necessary and evident approach. which yes, is better than clever.
mircea_popescu: ok, so the idea is to cap his error equation, and then iterate by the cap, and that's home.
asciilifeform: i dunno of any other
mircea_popescu: "As far as I know, the proof in this article is the only public one which completely treats a constant-time implementation of Barretts Reduction." << check him out.
asciilifeform: turns out there's even an early fpga in'ere, approx same density as the one in FG. ( but good noose is, it handles the crapple bus)
asciilifeform: when i get around to pumping'em out of the cam, will post
asciilifeform: speaking of this, phf earlier today i got those pics, and then peeled with knife the PAL,GAL labels and write what was under
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 19:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i kinda went away with the same suspicion.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881512 << the algo's correct tho. (just nao walked it again on chalkboard)
mircea_popescu: well, whoopdeedoo... if instead of letting the ants eat your dumb asses you ate the ants, it'd be the other way. and until it isn't the other way, it'll keep being this way, grand discovery this.
mircea_popescu: over however many years, rarely but it works here and there, and soon enough you wonder where the great went and why does it have to be agained.
mircea_popescu: entirely fucking wrongly, trying to get sane people to be stupid, rather than trying to get stupid people to be sane. and as he says -- rarely, but it works.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wants to hire BingoBoingo to do it ; BingoBoingo is looking around for "awk experts" to do it. meanwhile, danielpbarron is out there doing it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881495 << in the end, this is how (and why) republics die. the sort of folk who are actually willing to do the correct thing (ie, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880344 ) are generally doing it from the outside, rather than from the inside.
mircea_popescu: otherwise what is this, meet the rich girls at yoga class two hours a week and then daydream those two hours on repead all the rest of the time you spend in the rv with the pothead and the empty takeout containers ?
mircea_popescu: g up their bungholes lo these many years, have them make channels and feedbots and what else a civilised person such as yourself has been accustomed to have access to, and then you'll have a feed.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 18:18 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881336 << yes, i want my blog to be something other people in my church can be interested in reading; also i want it to be something i can share anywhere and have it lead people to the truth
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881489 << then, logically, it belongs read by the feedbot of the channel of your church. just because the http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-185.0-185.1138 problem doesn't mean you get to assuage your evident awareness of what a shithead your bf is by hanging out with the cool chicks and pretending to some sort of comunion. go, get the tards off the mud they've been packin
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 12:06 phf: it's certainly a dodgy, bottom of the barrel choice of venue though..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881351 << it has also been done to (literal) death. has all the cachet of "knock knock" jokes.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 18:42 danielpbarron: the reason I do it is because those scriptures say to do it. All things are caused by God, even Him causing me and other saints to preach, and Him causing lost people to turn away from destruction
mircea_popescu: not going back to roman numerals, either. and so following.
mircea_popescu: i'm not gonna go about pretending like "whatever, ox power, combustion engine, what the hell's the difference". pretty fucking well evident what the hell's the difference.
mircea_popescu: that also aside, it's not a matter of " his imperative doesn't align with that of all the rest of the republic ". this is like saying "the medicine of african shamans doesn't allign with the post-pasteur views". not a matter of "not allign", a matter of "that false '''imperative''' has been floating about to 0 effect for three thousand years ; this actual imperative is manifestly more powerful."
mircea_popescu: but outside of this, yes, the best available recuperative reconstruction of danielpbarron 's latest shenanigans is in this vein, "trolling xtians".
mircea_popescu: also why the whole "my dear folks, blog!" and everything else. the shortage is of hands not of "ideas".
mircea_popescu: which is how a dozen writers end up writing for jerry lewis, rather than a dozen jerry lewises banging down the door of Joe Q Writer : way the FUCK more good premises than folk who can do something with them.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881350 << it ~might~ be entertaining. the problem with comedy is that inept timing, poor delivery and insufficient culture coupled with the wrong sort of personality will bomb the best of material.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i kinda went away with the same suspicion.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 17:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, asciilifeform is not usually the 'Пастернака не читал, но осуждаю'(tm)(r) type. so yes tried to read.
asciilifeform: apologies to the folx whose blood pressure i raised.
asciilifeform: FZ_Measure as it currently exists, will undershoot the actual value for some inputs.
asciilifeform: i'ma have to do a thorough rewalk of the logic in 13.
asciilifeform: ( the reason why worked, is that barrett is ( as shown in ch 14a ) 'too forgiving' of wrong choice of constant J . )
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the relation b/w danielpbarron's scriptures & reality
asciilifeform: ( ... or that it is possible to get folx to 'install' yer priors, by throwing them repeatedly ?? )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 14:51 mircea_popescu: the exact same thing applies universally and throiughout. the world works a certain way, and it will continue to do so. if you build a blog on the strength of being interesting, you will destroy it with crap ; and if you build a reputation on being sane, you will destroy it with insanity. and so on. at no point is your "conviction" at issue (nor is it interesting, nor important). what's at issue is ~reality~, and reality does
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 07:29 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron do you have a bunch of readers interested in the quotes you figure, or what's the thinking ?
asciilifeform: ( to demonstrate ~space~ as well as time of the algo )
asciilifeform: btw 14b contains a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2753 -style 'electrical' illustration of barrett, as well as the coad
asciilifeform: ( user porting ffa to new irons is expected to run the litmus )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881465 << will add to this : on any hypothetical iron where add and sub aint constant-time ( i know of none , but could hypothetically exist in fyooyoor ) the overall 'is modexp constant-time' litmus will ring alarm.
asciilifeform: btw, FZ_Measure only happens 1nce during a modexp, and is around 0.01% of the cpu cost. but i'd still like to have the simplest mechanism.
asciilifeform: fwiw correctly-baked sels work 100% when linked, hence why i kept the script around as it currently stands
asciilifeform: ( it triggers if you make a selection and then unmake )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 16:09 mircea_popescu: (i was also going to use the reference thing, but it dun fucking work, i end up with http://www.loper-os.org/#selection-5115.22-5115.37 useless junk
mircea_popescu: i thought you were muxing because didn't like the additions for some reason
mircea_popescu: (i was also going to use the reference thing, but it dun fucking work, i end up with http://www.loper-os.org/#selection-5115.22-5115.37 useless junk
mircea_popescu: Fwiw, this is incorrect. 0 ~is~ the postion of the eldest 1 if "none exist", and the comment correctly reads "Find the position of eldest nonzero bit."
mircea_popescu: > -- Find the position of eldest nonzero bit, if any exist
BingoBoingo: Or at least catching up to small town Illinois in their festival food game
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this thing looks exactrly like argentina "comicon". bunch of braindead orcs, wtf. << Just about. Would be improved ~500% simply by moving it to the Kibon Pavilion or any number of other venuesfor beach proximity
mircea_popescu: i need an action for the hand gesture.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall yer http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704268 observation ? imho the christians divided by 0 when they nixed their ( whatever its problems at the time ) structure of authority.
mircea_popescu: (and the fact that nobody asked "which, the pole or the prussian" kinda is exactly what i'm talking about. what the fuck, we're going to discuss things we don't know about, meh)
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 02:42 asciilifeform: 'they cloink a coupla with the sledgehammer so as to break down the find into shards the size they can fit in a pocket, after which they stick it on their oxcart'
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 00:25 a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 03:38 asciilifeform: https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i find fascinating the parallel b/w ameri-christianity and items like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881006
asciilifeform: the hasids at least weren't wanking in eng
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's again a weakass copy of hasidism. they also had dynasties, though there's a lot of difference between tzvi hirsch and jimmy swaggart
asciilifeform: they set'em going as soon as sailed and went out of range of euro lymphocytes
mircea_popescu: meh, apparently "pongo" google-denotes a dalmatian. it's the species name of a large, loud subhuman hominid.
asciilifeform: the latter laugh all the way to the bank. (didja ever see a 'mega-church' when toured usa ?)
asciilifeform: also observe how they dun do crusades, jihads, on washington, instead they tithe to buy mcmansion for self-proclaimed mcmoron popes in nebraska etc
mircea_popescu: 18th century "rationalist" paintings were very keen on the cadaver synod, but this is the pongo papacy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you oughta see the 'theology' pushed by some of the moar 'advanced' ameri-church folx. where jizzus... spoke english
mircea_popescu: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1785123/ << i truly recommend any who hasn't seen this thing try for fifteen minutes. it's worth it just for the sheer wtf.
mircea_popescu: it's like watching reality tv by & for retards, "oh, look, it's another morning, will john the retard manage to tie his shoes his time ? we will be back after a word from our sponsor, Watch Paint Dry While Flies Fuck (tm)"
mircea_popescu: how the fuck am i going to be interested by a three-centuries-later, three-hundred-books-unread rehash of a ~minor~ ~peasant~ movement ?! what next, we're going to sit around wondering in fascination at pete_d's accomplishments ? hory shit, some guy got married and carefully didn't piss off the in-laws his whole life. NEVER HEAR THAT STORY BEFORE PLOX TELL ME MORE!
mircea_popescu: to write about divinity interestingly, one needs to be aware of a ~shitload~ more stuff than is available at oklahoma public library, is the thing.
mircea_popescu: and ~now~they go about like fucking morons, re-doing the 16th century german peasant movements.
mircea_popescu: when a decade later the american germans revolted against europe they called it "england" for no fucking reason whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: the dutch bought, moved over, started "new england". gave the same "english" crown their new world possessions.
mircea_popescu: consider the illustrative example of how the germans inhabiting north america ended up thinking they're "english" : the english were losing badly their war with the dutch, at the time the republic. so they decided -- the elite, that is -- to make the dutch an offer they couldn't refuse : behead the (catholic) king, import william, prince of orange-nassau as the new english king. thereby england gets a ruling class and the dut
asciilifeform: as i currently understand, the cn folx have own, and quite diff, set of cognitive bugs, quite unlike the anglos
asciilifeform: the twist is that actual chinese may or may not have this property.
mircea_popescu: this goes directly to my problem with chinese -- english is pretty much the closest thing to chinese known to white man.
mircea_popescu: which is why i say, makes 0 fucking sense to have translated the torah.
mircea_popescu: english is ~thin~. it retain nothing. moron can say same words and gain ~nothing~ thereby.
mircea_popescu: because that's the fucking problem with english, it can not ~carry~. human languages have this property, that they retain in their own thick fibers, particles of the wisdom of speakers, to bestow them on the dumb neat round heads of repeaters.
mircea_popescu: and it ~is~ in english. but it is not the english of Jamie McMoron, slightly overweight ex-mechanic turned "pastor" in Michigan.
mircea_popescu: THAT half liner summarizes ~correctly~ the whole fucking nine paragraph thing i ended up stuck putting in above.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform moreover it makes a fucking difference WHO speaks english. which is a readily lost point. there's an episode in seinfeld (when george converts to "latvian" orthodoxy) including a soundbyte from old jewish woman with strong yidish accent, "when you die, you die. you don't go anywhere."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i have, it's the kek of all time.
asciilifeform: ( the jesuits baked. and it's a riot. when jp was pried open in 19th c, the euros found some 'christians', promptly barfed -- the cleanup job shogunate did wasn't quite 100%.)
mircea_popescu: all the pretense of imperial brits aside, trying to build themselves an alt-english out of hammer-whacked chunks of latin and greek. because guess what, nobody today speaks 1770-level cultivated english. and certainly nobody among the self-help ikea-brand of "preachers" in the intellectually arid center of our colonies in the new world.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you should see the jp bible some time.
mircea_popescu: and let it be said, translating the torah ~in english~ was a fucking stupid idea. english is not a language that can ~carry~ such things.
asciilifeform: newton somehow pulled off the sitting on two chairs biz, but most folx aint newton
mircea_popescu: (and yes, /me also tuned out just about when the quotes started. for one thing because i couldn't give less of a shit about the english version of jewish texts, i can read the originals and i can't stand anglotardation)
mircea_popescu: and it so happens that god wank scores right there with "commercial communication" aka spam (another trope of fiction) on the scale of republican appreciation of fiction.
asciilifeform: the logical result of trying to physically move into a fictional palace is terry davis's train ride.
mircea_popescu: that's 1 trope, 2 fiction, 3 imagination, 4 noise, 5 phenomena. FIVE nodes down from the top node of all things, "the world".
mircea_popescu: god is ~just another trope~. like "the voyage", like "the teenage witch", like "vampires" or "magic horses" or "the island of buyan", god is just another trope. tropes are common places of fiction. fiction is a product of imagination. imagination is mildly-restrained psychogenic noise, which is a class of noise, like wetware thought or like fg output. which are phenomena, which is one half of the world (the other half being o
mircea_popescu: obviously the (male) teenager's temptation is to imagine his stupid shit is "above". but this is his problem, not his "intuition" or "wisdom" or w/e the fuck.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing BEYOND the world. the things claimed to be so are always and without exception ~inferior~ not superior in the tree of things. one's fantasies of self-realisation, be they wet dreams about little miss rottencrotch two chairs down in chem class or "the rapture", are just so much teenage wank. it dun matter if the teenager's name is moses or daniel, their wank is not "above the world". it's part of the world, and
mircea_popescu: and, while at it : the aferations of "metaphysics", specifically regarding the matter in terms of "oh, mp is so lost in the world he can't see the things beyond the world" is so much infantile aferant bullshit. be it "robo-hitlers" or "gods" or whatever other nonsense, the important property of things "beyond" the world and "above" the world and "after" the world and "ultimate" and so on is that they are not.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:13 danielpbarron: that wouldn't be the worst thing
mircea_popescu: the exact same thing applies universally and throiughout. the world works a certain way, and it will continue to do so. if you build a blog on the strength of being interesting, you will destroy it with crap ; and if you build a reputation on being sane, you will destroy it with insanity. and so on. at no point is your "conviction" at issue (nor is it interesting, nor important). what's at issue is ~reality~, and reality does
mircea_popescu: d in the process his life and himself. because no, as tempting as the theory is, humans can't generally manage to destroy their reputations but survive in body or mind.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881342 << this, for the record, is exactly how things go. one can build himself a reputation as a director, on the strength (on the ~strength~!!!) of shit like pulp fiction, or reservoir dogs, or w/e the hell. but if the one then continues in the vein of bullshit, directing animation and whatnever kill bill nonsense, uma thurman's deformed toes, that someone will ~destroy~ his reputation, an
asciilifeform: ( apparently it isn't merely plug an' fughet, gotta config it to pretend to be crapple disk, and then will need coupla bolix partitions also.. )
asciilifeform: phf: he answrd specifically re the 'macivory'. but i havent seen inside his treasurechest, so cannot say if he is mistaken and lost it
phf: asciilifeform: well, the papers have 3600 era pals
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 11:41 phf: asciilifeform: i'm pretty sure he doesn't have PAL sources in digital form, and if he does, i think it's purely accidental i.e. there are source files on some tape or some drive, but i don't think he'll be able to find them from memory
asciilifeform: and the xray, wheni get it.
asciilifeform: 'sapper errs 1ce', could take another 10y to get a 2nd 'ivory' if i kill this one.
asciilifeform: gotta clear the antistatic vivisectiom table.
asciilifeform: phf: apologies for slow, but i havent, believe or not, popped the thing yet
phf: it's certainly a dodgy, bottom of the barrel choice of venue though..
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 05:21 trinque: yet another post of reddit quotes from danielpbarron. this is sad.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881331 << i think danielpbarron is pushing transcendental imperative; though, and as per some of the long ago threads on subject of traditional societies, i will guess it is mostly a pose on his part. his imperative doesn't align with that of all the rest of the republic members, so it is hard to relate to on substance, but in form i find it entertaining: what happens if you confront modern christian
phf: asciilifeform: i saw you posted a highres photo of macivory you found on the internet, but could you perhaps post a couple of nice photos of your current board, where one can see labels on chips and whatever text on the surface
phf: there are 3600 era PAL sources in a form of scans, there might be some overlap between those and ivory. i doubt that's the case, but it's worth investigating
phf: asciilifeform: i'm pretty sure he doesn't have PAL sources in digital form, and if he does, i think it's purely accidental i.e. there are source files on some tape or some drive, but i don't think he'll be able to find them from memory
phf: asciilifeform: you can leave messages for me in the log by just mentioning my name, i always see later's before i have a chance to speak
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 06:57 mircea_popescu: this actually happens, you flip the pixels it "learned" and it sees the fridge and says cat.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron do you have a bunch of readers interested in the quotes you figure, or what's the thinking ?
asciilifeform: d00d is well along in the process of moving into own head.
asciilifeform: trinque: sad indeed. i've been reading these, and looking for some trace of any relation whatsoever to tmsr-anyffin, and finding none
trinque: yet another post of reddit quotes from danielpbarron. this is sad.
feedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2018/i-didnt-warn-you-for-the-scripture/ << Daniel P. Barron -- I didn't warn you for the scripture.
mircea_popescu: in other dubious news, i see some old versions of prb stuck on block 551110
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2018/12/17/the-expocannabis-an-executive-report/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- The Expocannabis An Executive Report
asciilifeform: in other lulz, there is apparently some published work on reversing a PAL via timing side-channel . ( the rub: it's in cn... )
BingoBoingo: And when you deposit, make sure to ping trinque so he checks the printers in his red room
trinque: cruciform: have you ever made a deposit with the bot?
BingoBoingo: Ah, sender-nick in this context refers to the person issuing the invoice rather than invoking the !!pay-invoice command. It's a brevity-vs-ambiguity issue with the documentation
BingoBoingo: And that will get deedbot to execute the command.
BingoBoingo: cruciform: Use !!received-invoices to see the invoice and then !!pay-invoice sender-nick invoice-number to settle the invoice
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
Mocky: either that or "catalyzing an interconnected global tech ecosystem" lol
Mocky: subj company apparently has quite healthy growth rate. my guess is they are trying to undercut the bottom tier 'coder' segment
asciilifeform: sounds like serious dry spell in heathendom, or wat
Mocky: in other 1024 chickens, http://archive.is/d8ypc#selection-445.0-577.9 "High-performing distributed engineering teams with African talent"
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, mircea_popescu do ya think you can muster 30-40min this wk to eat the 14a maffs ? i'd like to know asap if there's typo or other hole.
mircea_popescu: fortunately they speak uncharacteristically roman (ie, clean) italian for the period.
mircea_popescu: and let me underscore, the original dialogues are pure poetry, watching it dubbed or trusting subtitles is like reading bowdler's shakespeare.
mircea_popescu: put it on top, it's one of the few masterpieces of that aspiring art.
mircea_popescu: superb film, the wife's an archetype. "me sono cascata anche io...", golden words.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, rotating bridge in Carmelo got beat up over the weekend by a roaving gang of feral boats.
mircea_popescu: attempts to fashion one, (out of the powers of imagination, of course), is what ultimately distinguish the west and the east franks.
asciilifeform: (at least some of the time)
mircea_popescu: did i recount the lulzy story of female waterbugs having developed a cunt shield, and so male waterbugs holdsing them on water close to frogs and jumping ?
mircea_popescu: because if it didn't, you understand, we'd have the problems of waterbugs
mircea_popescu: well so then. she can be as smart as you wish, a cunt she's still got, and that hole in the body comes with a hole in the mind.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 18:13 asciilifeform: sorta how i've met runners, even competition-grade ones, but they did not run all day, erry day, to kitchen, to toilet, etc