BingoBoingo: Or like Ghaddafi who cooperated with Anglos in the end.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: current king probably weighed his chances of ending up as an example, like hussein, milosevich, others who dared to stand up to anglo.
BingoBoingo: Of course. USia is far less civilized now than it was when Idi Amin held the Scottish throne.
BingoBoingo: It's the option the Castros are taking. They just haven't left yet. Raoul is Probably hoping Fidel can get a dignified state burial before he jumps ship.
thestringpuller: colorado is the richest state in its block now
BingoBoingo: Well, North Korea has legal marijauana. Leverage that into European tourism. Follow with Pope mediated negotions with Obola. Open US trade. Appoint a patsy president. Move to Macau and read about the Color revolution in the Newspaper.
asciilifeform: other than 'surrender'
asciilifeform: everyone who laughs at nk should sit down for five minutes and imagine what they'd do as king there
asciilifeform: to borrow mircea's analogy re: french empire, 'at this point atmosphere there is quite like that in hitler's bunker'
BingoBoingo: The family line of succession probably didn't help things. Man who did things, Son of man who did things, Son of Son
BingoBoingo: All Korea's pretty much been other people's colony. That there's an independent Korea or korea is probably the farce.
asciilifeform: sk is the anti.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He nails the point where Anglophones are fascinated about culturing instability with anti-[fill-in-the-blank]
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-imperial-collapse-playbook.html << mega-lol
kakobrekla: also this is lulzy > “When bitcoin first came out, I was on the cryptography mailing list. When it happened, I sort of laughed. Because I had already proven that decentralized consensus was impossible.”
kakobrekla: >All this because of the stupid AUSTRIAN RAIFFEISENBANK, that confuses servng clients with serving prisoners in Konzentrationslager Mauthausen.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/first-full-service-crypto-digital-agency-in-the-world/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hanbot In the new Trilema header
cazalla: thestringpuller, sale is pretty shitty, nothing i really wanted
asciilifeform: this, notably, is not high science. it's decades-old sop in electronic warfare field (yes, there are textbooks. in english, even. i have one right here.)
asciilifeform: (how? see the old thread re: saddam hussein's gps jammers. for example.)
asciilifeform: 16 kHz is probably the max that you will get allocated politically << and the rest of that thread << Teh Phyootoore lies in discovery of undetectable (or at least unprosecutable) methods of breaking any and all laws which pertain to 'property rights' in radio spectrum.
asciilifeform: spiegel << discussion of 'tor' as not yet having spread its legs - suggests psychop; but on the other hand, the material (claims) circa 2010-2012.
Vexual: Just like Orwell describing the lingering smell of turpentine as he writes of the atmosphere of the poor quarters.
Vexual: yes, the bits that get left out are always interesting
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/12/nsa-spiegel-14-1228.rar << loads o'goodies. but plenty of missing pieces that have the flavour of were-there-but-censored.
ben_vulpes: the man goes on vacation and *boom*
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/just-in-case-you-happen-to-think-silicon-valley-is-either-new-or-novel/
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/while-some-ponzi-schemes-implode-other-fraudsters-double-down/
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
BingoBoingo: While Obala is busy inventing ISIS, Kirchner is doing great work by saving the world from the specter of shit eating Jewish werewolves
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: President of Argentina adopts Jewish godson to 'stop him turning into a werewolf' - Americas - World - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bfmi1D )
BingoBoingo: Yeah. My favorite part was the NC State trick plays.
bitstein: Right? And from your recap, I'm glad that they were able to help bring attention to a celebrated American tradition with two teams that seem to really have a love of the game.
BingoBoingo: I just figured someone had to go over the product Bitpay was sponsoring.
BingoBoingo: bitstein: Saw you enjoyed the Qntra Bitcoin Bowl recap.
davout: webchat should be usable again then
b00lcrap: who is the mastermind behind this late 90s attack.
b00lcrap: even if i get ddosed i mean they couldnt possibly make my internet any worse
ben_vulpes: so there's a really particularly good argument for tiny blocks.
Vexual: what do you mean about attack vector? losing control of the address?
assbot: The 20 photographs of the week | Art and design | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1EzTmak )
kakobrekla: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2014/dec/20/the-20-photographs-of-the-week#img-18 < black mirror part dunno, was it?
Overand: and that's at the current blockchain rate
Overand: but getting that across the *world* would t ake a lot of power
Overand: Anyway, the current blockchain with error coding and such could probably reasonably fit into a 20k wide channel
decimation: yeah they use an ofdm scheme
Overand: though they're mostly working with relatively tiny bandwidth digital modulation
Overand: man, tempting to go ask on the FreeDV / Codec2 mailing list
decimation: 16 kHz is probably the max that you will get allocated politically
decimation: yeah and it would require many kilowatts to sustain a large coverage area. and since the ionosphere varies over the course of a day, one ideally would need multiple transmitters with multiple frequencies
Overand: though per wikipedia, they can shoehorn 700 kilobits worth of bandwidth into a 100khz channel
decimation: there's one in brazil that is reliable too
decimation: there used to be a transmitter in nova scotia that came in well
Overand: and yeah. i've never gotten a DRM broadcast reliably here in the US, but, who knows
Overand: it depends on the spectrum you're willing to use
decimation: most shortwave broadcasters limit their DRM to 14 kHz
decimation: I guess the max block size is 1 MB
decimation: the block contains a list of transactions, up to the max block size, plus the hash, plus some other stuff
decimation: there's only one block that clears every 10 minutes right?
decimation: I think it would be possible to fit the blockchain into a 2400 bps channel
Overand: What's the current data rate like?
decimation: at any rate, it's been discussed as a possible means to distribute the bitcoin blockchain and/or transactions
decimation: Overand: as for 'replacing the internet', I suppose it depends on what those 7 billion people have to say
Overand: nor for ~7 billion people to communicate with each other.
Overand: It's just not a great candidate for replacing the entire internet
Overand: They're a nonprofit with decent people there, if you want them to stop, just drop them an e-mail.
Overand: And yet I'm pretty sure I've done more on the air than you have.
xanthyos: Overand: did you get your general before or after they dropped the 18 wpm morse code requirement
Overand: You know, the whole "running fiber optic cable between mud huts after [insert emergency/collapse/rapture/disease/singularity]" thing.
Overand: When I'm giving an overview, I like to couple that with the tech stuff.
Overand: The stuff I'd have known by the time I was 4 or 5 years old if I'd been born right here ~600 years ago
kakobrekla: there is a school for that?
Overand: kakobrekla: Yeah. You know, fire with sticks, shelter in the woods, that sort of thing.
Overand: That's funny, I would have guessed earlier than that, but I suspect the keyserver doesn't lie.
Overand: Heh. If this is what you consider the threshold I must to clear to "matter," and I didn't "matter" before, then my worldview continues to be wildly different from yours.
assbot: Logged on 02-11-2014 21:48:39; asciilifeform: claim is not a fact << when talking about a scam, the claim is the fact (that is, the fact of the scam being set up as such or other)
decimation: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20141224/06321429517/sony-hack-reveals-that-mpaas-big-80-million-settlement-with-hotfile-was-lie.shtml << lolz "TorrentFreak has been combing through the emails and found that the Hotfile settlement was really just for $4 million, and the $80 million was just a bogus number agreed to for the sake of a press release that the MPAA could use to intimidate others."
decimation: eh, it would cause a collapse of some kind, which would change some stuff, some of which might be these programs
adlai: would that force towards more effective welfare programs, or just more of the same shit?
decimation: probably won't change unless something forces the government's hand
adlai: fwiw, assuming that the fiat parasite sticks around in some form or other, i'd rather have it operate a single UBI program than dozens of badly-coordinated welfare axes
decimation: send them to australia or something
decimation: but at the same time, don't tie the hands of folks who can 'make it out' of the reservation
adlai: well, zoogoers don't usually want to live in the cages...
ben_vulpes: zoo implies people want to go there.
ben_vulpes: i've always envisioned NYC style "projects", but with minimal food/water/electricity/internet piped in to keep the denizens complacent.
adlai: Huxley's "reservations" are actually a fairly moral solution for a welfare-free technocracy: exile people who aren't contributing to the society, but don't shit in their reservoirs either.
Apocalyptic: from the same blog: http://www.meltingasphalt.com/the-economics-of-social-status/ looks interesting
decimation: of course, the welfare state also requires a source of infinte fiat
adlai: eh, those kids are raised by hardworking parents. i'd be more worried about the laziness of kids raised by parents on welfare today.
decimation: in my opinion the main issue is the welfare that will be extended to their lazy 2nd/3rd generation kids
adlai: oh, dinner with the dad also yielded some lulzy news from the other side of finance: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11269739/UK-government-to-pay-back-all-World-War-One-debt.html
decimation: mexicans actually do work pretty hard, I don't mind them so much
decimation: lol same in the us
adlai: and however little they get paid, i'm pretty sure none of it is declared
adlai: as in, every.single.eatery has an "eggplant" doing the dishes
adlai: in the parts of the middle east that i feel qualified to complain about, the arabs aren't sitting on enough oil to import workers; although israel is making the most from massive refugee flows from darfur, eritrea, etc
kakobrekla: decimation bullets & family (to use the bullets)
adlai: you mean in the emirates?
decimation: adlai: what I find amusing is all the 'turd world' workers that the arabs import to do their dirty work
decimation: kakobrekla: if your bosnia link is true, it strikes me that the most important thing to have in a 'shtf' situation is alot of people on 'your side': family, friends, etc
adlai: middle east demographics are quite the shitshow. malthus's ghost is laughing his ass off by now.
adlai: then again, take everything i say with a dab of humus. i'm actually a lot less updated on local events than most people here, because it's mostly just fucking depressing.
decimation: yes, the 'tight grip'
adlai: (rockets are never fired by _hamas_ itself, and in fact firings are often denounced, even by the military arm; yet somehow the splinter groups keep operating despite the tight grip hamas has on the strip...)
adlai: and yes, hamas is probably a better government than the governments of, say, haiti or somalia
decimation: adlai: hamas seems to blur the lines between 'gang' and 'government'
adlai imagines that the situation in gaza [city] is not too far off, modulus one large well-established gang (hamas)
adlai: damnit he's gonna beat me to the patent office
adlai: kakobrekla: what is this thing? (the audio)
adlai: assuming that you're saving something in the hope of trading it for useful stuff eventually
decimation: moldbug's theory is that this is derived from game theory, in the sense that every actor wants to pick the best savings medium, which is the thing that everyone else is planning to save in
adlai: i like to put it more bluntly, money is "the neverending ponzi game"
decimation: adlai: there's some degree of that, but money also acts as an asset. In moldbug's terms, it's the 'bubble that never pops'
adlai: kakobrekla: the audio thingy?
kakobrekla: the link i passed here earlier also touches this.
decimation: eh, I guess I don't get the immediate moral assignments of money
adlai: https://www.thevenusproject.com/en/faq#faqnoanchor <- you can't make this shit up
adlai: for great lulz, read up on the venus project. this is what some people counter at me when they hear my excitement about bitcoin
adlai: bitcoin being completely fucking useless actually makes it an excellent currency, in this sense - the only thing you can do with it is give it to another "person", optionally in return for something else.
decimation: which is why we live in the age of usd in the first place, the 'allies' in wwii still dominate the world to some degree
decimation: true, the continued existence of bitcoin demonstrates that
adlai: there's a palestinian MK who believes that israel should be a people's democracy, rather than a jewish democracy. is he running the risk of not getting reelected? yes. will he get executed by government order? probably not.
adlai: fortunately, the scope of interactions with the typical modern fiat institution isn't limited to "friend or enemy"
decimation: one must immediately become the enemy of every fiat-supported institution that exists
decimation: adlai: imagine what would be required to start 'raising awareness' of the morality of printing money
adlai: 99% of this channel doesn't see my roommate's atrocious dishwashing habits, or lack thereof, as a problem - because they're not aware of them.
decimation: on the other hand, 99.999% of the world doesn't see it as a problem at all, and a good portion of them also see it as a government's duty
adlai: this is probably quite the echo chamber for complaints about money printing :)
adlai: gaining unearned money by printing? this devalues the already-printed notes, so you have to ask who are the noteholders getting fucked by your press
adlai: my main takeaway from that article is that moral judgements have to be made in the context of the entire "game" where a trade took place, rather than in the context of the trade alone
adlai: uh: "Instead, the point is that earning money is, in general, something to celebrate, not feel guilty about."
decimation: right, but it says an awful lot about the morality of trading money for things
decimation: If there anything immoral happening w.r.t. money, it's the free printing of it to benefit the few
decimation: eh, I'm not sure I buy the moral implications of trade thing
adlai: the relevant parts are II-IV, maybe V and VI too; tl;dr: market making is time-shifted arbitrage & money is fungible gratitude
adlai: this article is more thought-provoking than most drugs out there
decimation: I suppose it all boils down to arbitrage, either in time or space
adlai: not that i'm aware of; although people have been running trading algorithms in their head for hundreds of years, so really any text on trading is a text on trading algorithms.
decimation: adlai: are there any introductory texts for creating trading algorithms?
adlai: that way when a non-terrorist comes along, they can use terrorist-provided software, and all will be right in the jungle
decimation: so they stopped that offering.
decimation: but I think goldmoney shut down their 'user-to-user' gold exchange
decimation: a year ago they advertise direct exchange to gold
decimation: ah they now offer bitcoin/eur bitcoin/usd books
thestringpuller: adlai: finally, an exchange that likes liquidity! << yet they don't post volume?
kakobrekla: adlai the terrorist.
decimation: no idea. it would be amusing if they did
adlai: wtf. are they lurking here? all I did was register an account, and I already get flagged as a "Potentially Dangerous Request"
decimation: the way I see it, it's going to be pretty hard to avoid kyc/aml if you want to deal in fiat
decimation: yeah they are all about kyc/aml
adlai: "The more information you give us about yourself, the more you will be able to do, and the more you verify yourself with us, the lower your transaction limits will be." I'm liking it a little less now.
decimation: so one would have to do another transaction if one's fiat is USD
decimation: I've mentioned it a couple of times here. I'm interested because it's somehow owned/related to the goldmoney guy
decimation: adlai: have you used the 'netagio' exchange?
decimation: if you are in the us, don't you owe ordinary income tax on every gain you make?
decimation: adlai: how does one arbitrage between exchanges when it takes days to settle between them?
adlai discussed this paper with the dad over the dinner. the dad suggested that demand could increase independently of increases in the userbase, which is correct. clever dad!
adlai: however - i'd argue that there's plenty room for more "smart" money to enter this business of bitcoin-stabilization, assuming that there's plenty more latent demand, just beginning to wake up
adlai: ie, they're onto me!
adlai: ie, there's not just a growth in userbase/demand, there's also a growth in financial actors profiting from arbitrage, market making, etc
adlai: calculations account for the changing exchange rate level. this observation merits further analysis. For example, such stable exchange rate variance could in principle be the result of activities by parties interested in the stability and trustworthiness of the system"
adlai: ben_vulpes: "We argue that the vigorous growth in bitcoin value in the past 18–24 months has been accompanied by almost unchanged daily variance of the exchange rate once the variance
ben_vulpes: baby doll: "well you see you can call your cc provider up and they'll reverse the transaction for you!"
ben_vulpes: mom-in-law totally gets it "how does it make any sense to give the magic numbers that grant access to my money to other people?"
ben_vulpes: i'm listening to lady v talk her mother into buying things with a credit card online.
kakobrekla: some light listening, (90% english) http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/posnetki/2014-12-15-zid-zid-3.0/cash-in-the-age-of-intelligent-machines_0.mp3
cazalla: thestringpuller, what's up
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Yeah already Sunday
adlai reads http://www.federalreserve.gov/econresdata/feds/2014/files/2014104pap.pdf in more detail, after skimming it and seeing all the pretty charts
HeySteve: hi there, BingoBoingo
Vexual: my gracious host seemingly ran out of booze and patience around the same time
Vexual: I accidentally encountered the cunts whilst blazingly drunk over xmas
Vexual: Makes me wonder if there was anything worth reading un the times of cypress when neo ran their ads
BingoBoingo: Vexual: We have one one the game they bought. Turns out it was very watchable. http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-bowl-recap-nc-state-wins-34-27/
cazalla: anyway, missus will learn soon enough that the opportunity to go america, live the quiet life is long gone
cazalla: nah, sounds a bit gay to ask another man about his proclivities
ben_vulpes: i'm sure there are serious beatings and playful beatings
cazalla: not really a beating then eh
cazalla: that shit gets you arrested and your mug shot in the media here, parade around as hitler himself, god forbid you beat your wife
cazalla: bah, it was her friend's idea and for 2018-2019 once they are older
ben_vulpes: "and just look at gaston! you know the guy's a date rapist."
ben_vulpes: "but they set such bad role models for young girls!"
ben_vulpes: you're just letting her carry on with the disney fandom?
cazalla: all this in the name of disney 'everything is made in china' world
cazalla: well 1) they wouldn't let me in anyway, persona no grata 2) fucked if i would let her take my son into that viper pit without me
cazalla: fuck that, rather take a boat
BingoBoingo: In the event I father children that I stay around to raise, "Red Sleigh Down" is going to be the official Jesus/Santa story relayed to them.
mircea_popescu: oh. they were preparing the weirdest nativity scenes earlier, with like palsm and camels and shit.
b00lcrap: hey mircea_popescu i was curious about something, does santa still ride a sliegh down there ?
b00lcrap: even live in the states?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Not the readers, just certain sorts of commenters.
decimation: the 'long march through the institutions' - ever hierarchy was ripped down and replaced with a communist bureaucracy
decimation: b00lcrap: black people didn't destroy america, the cultural marxists who infantilized blacks and waged war on regular working people did
b00lcrap: well i guess i kind of did just say they destroyed america.
cazalla: i think i'll take my own privilege down the bottlo and get another bottle of sambuca seeing all is quiet on the news front and BingoBoingo has taken to trolling the readers
b00lcrap: you know i was watching the notebook last night and i thought wow, people were so civilized in the 50's. then i thought what culture changing event could have possibly happened to cause all of this fuckedupness.
mircea_popescu: well there's a jump, from ddosing to black violence.
decimation: I'm not sure welfare is the proximate cause for black violence
BingoBoingo: b00lcrap: Don't forget methed up white people and hardworking shades of brown in between.
b00lcrap: is that why there is so much black people crime in america
mircea_popescu: tons of people living on welfare out there.
b00lcrap: can u tell me why someone hates bitcoin-assets so much they wish to ddos whoever joins?
kakobrekla: looks like someone from bitwin discovered bitbet comments and figured out the math
joecool: mircea_popescu: thanks, we'll make a post directing to the information too
mircea_popescu: be so kind to leave a comment once you fix it, it'll encourage other people to do the same i believe.
mircea_popescu: lemme find you the ref
joecool: mircea_popescu: hey, one of my sites got a pingback from trilema on christmas saying it was affected by the pingback ddos, is this still an issue in current wordpress? xmlrpc looks substantially rewritten since we initially worked around this
ben_vulpes: the fewer things that are included in the notion of bitcoinating, the easier it'll be for nubbins` to print and asciilifeform to read.
ben_vulpes: anyways the point i'm trying to make is that desired wallet behavior is entirely orthogonal to a thing that "bitcoinates".
mircea_popescu: with a 64k list one would have the following problem : the tree of following transactions 4 bits removed is... 64bit.
mircea_popescu: too many unsafe on weak entropy systems. then again, whith a good entropy source, 256 or 65536 could be the default.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the address count could be user-configured