mike_c: Microsoft shut down their captcha service, which was causing that problem on the eulorum wiki.
ascii_modem: he described, approximately, by accident, an experiment of mine - minus the fun bits
cazalla: thestringpuller, it's the shit - for anyone that doesn't know of robot unicorn attack - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzA4ZY_ZGo0
cazalla: not the new ones though that are full of ads, the old ones like robot unicorn attack (and not robot unicorn attack 2)
cazalla: ya, only games that seem a good for it are the endless run and jump to avoid objects games
cazalla: gaming on iphone/ipad seems to be more about positioning adverts next to controls or other interface options as to guarantee misclicks
mircea_popescu: check out all the self-contradictory haet.
mircea_popescu: imo worse on the 2nd pass.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: there's maybe 5 actual ipad games, and up to 100`000 re-skins of the same "play slots on ipad!!1" nonsense << in response to that
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: it's interesting how this also happened with 8 bit atari consoles in the late 70's / early 80's
mircea_popescu: in no case can one compare the amiga variety with the ipad variety, and bearing in mind amiga worked on 8 bit.
mircea_popescu: there's maybe 5 actual ipad games, and up to 100`000 re-skins of the same "play slots on ipad!!1" nonsense
thestringpuller: I can't read the labels
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i thought it was the dumb bitch on tv that acted important and prevented anyone from making any sense << AH, the asshole enforcing moderate talking instrad of moderate drinking. Easy to mix those assholes up.
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mircea_popescu: i thought it was the dumb bitch on tv that acted important and prevented anyone from making any sense
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's all rotten to the core, conceptually. what the shit is a "moderator" anyway ? << They are the person at the nightclub who makes sure you drink the two drink medium, but get you off the premises if you actually get drunk.
kakobrekla: it seems ircd centralization has been a problem since forever and noone has bothered to solve it
davout: i didn't think of the requirement to sign as an issue actually
mircea_popescu: it would but it's moot, because i'm not about to require people to sign everything they say.
davout: i was thinking rely on GPG and simply encode a nonce in the message
mircea_popescu: tbh the l2 list etc has been a revelation in computer security for me.
mircea_popescu: a replay "attack" coming from a trusted host carries a very large cost. they'll get banned.
kakobrekla: forget the fetch nonsense.
davout: makes sense, the hash, salt and nonce fiddling is to prevent against replay right?
kakobrekla: i dont get this scoopbot 30 min delay + fetch command. when i setup rss feed for herr vulpes jenkins (which is now offline for some reason) i hit it once a minute cause i give no fucks. no need for this -fetch nonsense if you change the interval to something saner.
davout: so if i understand correctly the daemon has its own keypair, the "for" keypair would be the user's
mircea_popescu: basically, program has one, you have one. you can if you wish use the same. don;'t have to.
mircea_popescu: unless the server is actually using my own keypair. which it conceivably could.
davout: what do you mean by "a signed certificate for the IP fingerprint if necessary" ?
mircea_popescu: was the best thing ever for a summer.
mircea_popescu: many moons ago some kids did write some thing that used the PIZDA/PULA convention.
davout: LOLWUT packets to be used for the filling of sequence gaps
pete_dushenski: they promised guise!
thestringpuller: "The sad part is that Bitstamp promised they will have quarterly audits of reserves. First and last was in May 2014."
mircea_popescu: in keeping with the naming conventions introduced, everyone can call the helo packet whatever they wish :D
thestringpuller: the redditards only listen to voice of reason when there is an apocalypse http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rdwrz/why_top_bitcoin_exchanges_are_so_amateurish_its/
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i see that your vacay produced a rather prolific number of articles.. did you stay in town?
mircea_popescu: mebbe "heyo" ? make an argentine joke right in the spec!
pete_dushenski: i'm back in the cold now, -30C or something
thestringpuller: collary: "When there is blood on the streets, somebody goin to jail." (The niggarized version)
pete_dushenski: mike_c eh i got my but kicked on diff bets so i'm with you there
thestringpuller: at least we all one the NSA delivery bet
pete_dushenski: skin in the game: separating talkers from walkers since always
thestringpuller: watch the n00bs burn and burn
pete_dushenski: they're pooched
pete_dushenski: those gawker guys love their apocali
diana_coman: thanks thestringpuller
diana_coman: re the wiki, it seems to have trouble when I add the link with http so possibly that was the issue?
mike_c: great. I'll give your steps a try. I am one of the people who tried and failed a couple times.
diana_coman: well, I've updated the version for the libs and gave the link too, so that should be clearer now
diana_coman: let me try again, maybe there was some strange stuff going on at that time
mike_c: could try to change it and see if it works? and thanks for posting all the steps.
diana_coman: oh, re install, the full account of all the pain is still on the blog, too, here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2014/10/30/the-cost-of-shitogramming/
diana_coman: got an error when trying to save the changes
diana_coman: but I found out I could not edit the wiki for some reason
diana_coman: actually there is a small update to make there, to give the precise version for one of the libs
mike_c: hehehe. 1099's for all of them!
davout: in other news bitcointalk is now requesting that moderators fill some usg paperwork for the purpose of paying taxes
punkman: http://libv.livejournal.com/22502.html "How to sneak in a 1 to 1 version dependency between xserver, mesa and the linux kernel"
mircea_popescu: anyway, re qntra etc : Banned the following ip addresses on Mon Jan 5 09:42:16 EST 2015 23.235.236.98 with 9755 connections
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 00:46:15; ascii_modem: folks who bring up fpga as a solution - straight to ebay, pick up a board, see if you can bake so much as an i386 compatible, with at least the original's performance, -without- the fpga vendor's closed libraries
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2015#965207 << would MIPS be easier than x86? or does the problem lie in connecting the thing to outside world (fast RAM, peripherals, etc)?
kakobrekla: in the spirit of buttstamp and all.
kakobrekla: no trilema or qntra either
kakobrekla: seems the bets have stopped?
mike_c: oh no, somebody haxed all the trilema credits?
davout: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2re2pw/18864_coins_stolen_from_stamp_that_doesnt_look/ <<< the fees suggest the guy was in a hurry too
TomServo: What kind of things happen at the denver bitcoin center?
davout: which could be consistent with 'take the money and run'
assbot: The creator of Minecraft outbid Beyoncé and Jay Z on this $70 million megamansion | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1BAoIIs )
punkman: http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2014/12/18/7418397/notch-just-bought-the-craziest-megamansion-ever
cazalla: nfi any of this true but rumoured bitcoin theft address, nice 1 btc fee too https://blockchain.info/tx/07a78d55fc17a2809e031116e71ac63faa6c2ea9e29480b4fa59031683b506b8
xanthyos: hopefully that doesn't suggest their software is sloppily coded
assbot: I'm happy they killed that nigger Eric Garner. /hashtag/Holocaust2?src=hash /hashtag/KillEmAll?src=hash
cazalla: xanthyos, ya know electrum wallet is racist, right? https://twitter.com/ElectrumWallet/status/541420975716597760 (lol at that shit still being there)
xanthyos: or we're in the future we wanted
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 19:00:14; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 19:00:14; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!
assbot: Logged on 03-01-2015 21:52:59; mircea_popescu: davout: who decided, and why, that the contents should be gpg signed ? << oh for cryssakes it was in the log like 20 times.
cazalla: so much drama and it's only the first week of 2015
cazalla: on second thought, might take another evening walk instead of getting stuck into the booze, by the time i get back, shop will be shut
fluffypony: it's because of the Gawgoxstamp
Vexual: now theres a tld worth bidding on
BingoBoingo: Vexual: The proper file extension for that type is .twat
Vexual: put it in sluts.txt and do it later then
BingoBoingo: Who knows? It's the way of two cans and string, one of which is missing
mircea_popescu: quite a step up from "doesn't understand how the world works"
mircea_popescu: lol now that china is looking poised to reconstruct the entire world around shanghai, the english agitprop is talking of putin pawning russian national interest to beijing.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/introducing-the-trilema-jobs-board/
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes is cheating on us with other channels!
ben_vulpes: http://www.theautomaticearth.com/oil-power-and-psychopaths/ and to all a good night!
ben_vulpes: what, you think this is the only channel in which i do biz?
ben_vulpes: watching the thing scroll by as my bouncer replays it makes things look longer than they are
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes weren't you complaining bout the endless log an hour ago ?
ben_vulpes: where does extraordinary rendition happen these days?
thestringpuller: but what is the alternative? nanotube would have to trust someone else to maintain gateway into WoT?
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> This is personally the longest I've ever seen gribble AWOL. < same here.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality. << an amusing thing to cross at this moment
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the back up is on OTC website
decimation: it's odd that gribble died the same time that bitstamp was hacked
ben_vulpes: i hope everyone's been taking backups of the db.
thestringpuller: This is personally the longest I've ever seen gribble AWOL.
Fun: strange they dont offer whole range to you
thestringpuller: wow there isn't even a google cache
mircea_popescu: ;;seen khers oh what's the use
Fun: there is option cost per lot
decimation: the bid/ask spread on that mar 15 call runs about ~0.007
mircea_popescu: i like people who pretend their convenient misunderstanding is more powerful than reality.
Fun: there is some vol on 11800.0
mircea_popescu: Fun because a) it costs money and b) they don't care, because it's not really their problem.
Fun: I was watching RBK today, chairmain of Russian Commerce Chamber was going on that some russian companies need to refinance tons of mid term debt soon in what I presume usd :) I was thinking here that sounds fishy how come they havent hedged FX risk from the start
mircea_popescu: Fun noobs have a reputation of wishing to get involved in the most complex end of any matter first thing.
Fun: they package stuff to confuse people imo
mircea_popescu: yes but use an option for mar on the mar future.
mircea_popescu: but an option to deliver tomorrow an euro deliverable next week is a whole other layer of nutso.
mircea_popescu: look at the math involved sometime in an idle hour, but from a fundamental perspective, none of that "this is hw it's done because it's how it's done" circularity.
mircea_popescu: in the sense that one can hang himself from it.
decimation: are you implying that markov chains are doing what they do?
mircea_popescu: the catholic church also "exists"
decimation: they certainly exist
mircea_popescu: irrespective of widespread belief to the contrary, im pretty sure no entity currently can value options on forex futures
decimation: yeah I'm trying to find the options on spot (seems it would be easier) but I am having trouble
mircea_popescu: what's the difference between apple pie and pineapple pie ?
Fun: mircea_popescu: whats the difference?
decimation: to buy a call that expires 15 jan on the mar 2015 future, for a strike price of 1.19 costs $0.0096
decimation: the bid/ask spread on eur/usd spot runs about 3 to 4 mili-cents (w/comission)
cazalla: well, the wallet that was last audited has been empty since early dec
mircea_popescu: curious if this ends up going the way of btcxchange
BingoBoingo: Well did BitStamp lose a can or the string?
decimation: Fun: are you asking what the bid/ask spread is on the spot? or do you want an option with a ex date and strike price?
ascii_modem: fellas, all these headaches - ircd/fleanode, notarybot, etc. - one pill. why not one of you carry out my erasurecode-router scheme.
cazalla: thestringpuller, but i like pretty newsletters
ascii_modem: there would be no phishing if everyone used GPG correctly. << 'brainwave' by poul anderson.
Fun: I am suprised that large russian corporations did not hedge their loans fx risks, or maybe they did :D
thestringpuller: tl;dr there would be no phishing if everyone used GPG correctly.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller doubt it.
mircea_popescu: decimation pretty sure they actually let you trade on cme.
mircea_popescu: but you can use a broker, by now they cater even to people with 10k or something.
Apocalyptic: eventually kako can ask them in meatspace
decimation: Fun: if you just wanna trade euro/usd you there are a few etfs: http://etf.stock-encyclopedia.com/category/currency-etfs.html
mircea_popescu: they do a typically fiat thing whereby they act like gpg is sorta like you know, this soft toy thing. they get an address like it were a social media profile.
thestringpuller: ascii_modem mircea_popescu: its just surprising that none of these "businesses" have pub-keys published for verification purposes.
punkman: mircea_popescu: problem is I'm reimplementing website in PHP and also changing bot to send shit to PHP reliably, and it's all a bit tangled up at the moment
mircea_popescu: Fun in the last, normally.
ascii_modem: unless that key is welded to their traditional corporate charter, or at least proclaimed amidst fanfare by an officer - why believe it at all ?
Fun: the price for option is in those high low columns or where?
mircea_popescu: punkman that's good. so what is the problem, exactly, what's the plan to resolve it, usefull stuff like that, pls.
punkman: anyone want to setup and admin the supybot/electrum box to speed things up?
cazalla: ascii_modem, they signed they last audit using the bitcoin address 1EFJUipfCHFmmTFkF9vvjFKdBf3VbfvarM but no gpg afaik
mircea_popescu: decimation doesn't have to be in chicago. everyone does it, including all the web providers, optionsxpress, schwab, you name it
mircea_popescu: they use sleek string.
ascii_modem: bitstamp... confirm... <<< do we even know of a published pubkey for them
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well... cazalla's article. You know you could do one if you want on their old fee rape bot from back in the day.
Fun: any exchange can get vol by cycling btc on their boobs
kakobrekla: i said self proclaimed - check their frontpage.
Fun: afterward EU said bad bad boys and said they are going to finance greece directly but perhaps thats just words
kakobrekla: i thought i get paid if you include those 6 words, or at least 2, since 4 are the quote.
mircea_popescu: am i going "this has to be reimplemented for the third time" ?
kakobrekla: i would add to the article "self proclaimed 'World's leading Bitcoin exchange'"
decimation: kakobrekla: all the way to $2!
mircea_popescu: what is the problem, exactly ?
Fun: to other currencies
Fun: lol it depends on which banks hold the potato :D
punkman: bring back the drachma!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he likes the word. it bestows journalismity.
Fun: lol they cant
Fun: I just read the Greek government debt is at 175 percent right now, runs up to €330 billion. And a lot of debt nowadays is ensured in the derivative markets :)
kakobrekla: well ignorance is bliss what more is there.
decimation: what kind of 'responsible' exchange keeps keys anywhere near a terminal connected to the internet?
ascii_modem: that is what law now is. to be thought of in the same light as ebola.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla check out the cans! string popped!
decimation: mircea_popescu: re: knc miner refund << yeah in BTC terms they took about %70 haircut, but I think they do all their accounting in fiat (they convert bitcoin to fiat upon reception)
cazalla: anyone have a bitstamp account an able to confirm if they sent out an email 30m ago?
PinkPosixPXE: 30 minute break, and they are already pinging for my help
PinkPosixPXE: so that's another thing I'll be working on
PinkPosixPXE: but that's a great idea, and an offer I'd definitely be interested in potentially pursuing, and discussing further with you mircea_popescu
PinkPosixPXE: the time commit is a big consideratio
PinkPosixPXE: right now, I've spent so much time and energy through the holidays helping this provider/friend, and while I'll probably get an endless supply of vps resources from him at a prorated "nothing" .. I need to setup a business and direction for the future of my own thing, or at least make money when I output time/work
ben_vulpes: finance your fiat VPS situation yourself, and run it in parallel with the BTC VPS MP wants to finance.
PinkPosixPXE: technically, I can finance it on my own, but I guess I'm still in the process of working out the details, and I guess regardless, I just need to make sure all the time and work I put into admining everything is getting me money and setting me up for some independence career wise
PinkPosixPXE: you would put the initial investment in the dedi's? teh competitively priced ones might be in the arena of $300-400/mo to rent depending upon how competitive I want my services to be, and I will probably be buying something through voxility
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE how about i buy you some dedis and you admin them and run a host for btc business ?
kakobrekla: anyway my suggestion: give unique address for each palyment which you monitor for certain period of time. if you use bit32 you can generate new addresses on the fly on the server without private key or else pregenerate them and throw them in db
ben_vulpes: why bother?
ben_vulpes: and don't put the key anywhere near that bitcoind
ben_vulpes: don't depend on an external api to monitor the blockchain
ben_vulpes: there are clever things you could do with hashing the order and using that as a private key for receipts or something like that...
ben_vulpes: totally orthogonal to the accepting of bitcoin
PinkPosixPXE: ok, that makes sense.. so basically I can keep the bitcoin price in flux with what the current price is
ben_vulpes: there's some bookkeeping to be done in terms of counters in the itty bitty satoshis, to avoid dup transaction amounts
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE: the simplest and most robust approach is going to be to quote specific prices and have that exact qty remitted to an addr of your control
PinkPosixPXE: it's the holidays..
ben_vulpes: good thing you've got your own equalizer then huh
PinkPosixPXE: but mostly after the script
PinkPosixPXE: yea, after I wrote the vps migrate script for him today
kakobrekla: see what i told you, wife material right there.
PinkPosixPXE: I can see where I can put together a much better product
ben_vulpes: gamechanger right there.
PinkPosixPXE: but that's down the road a month at least
PinkPosixPXE: I will probably eventually buy a dedi that's a bit better than the our new one
PinkPosixPXE: and made a migration script for us to migrate to the new node, helped him pick it out
PinkPosixPXE: and root on the host node
PinkPosixPXE: but it saved our butts quite a bit over the last few weeks
PinkPosixPXE: this way people can still get on their nodes, and are just informed that we've removed a few ipv6 addresses that were being attacked.. instead of their node being suspended and shut off, and they are then freaking out
PinkPosixPXE: this runs on the host node
PinkPosixPXE: but often times they are spoofed source ip's
PinkPosixPXE: the attacks are all .cap'd and then the ip's are all reported to ovh to be added to ddos mitigation
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE how about write the script so that you keep track of foreign hosts, and once packet limit is reached for a vps all foreign hosts that aren't on the list of hosts it connected in the past 24 hours get banned across the entire network ?
PinkPosixPXE: until the attack stops