davout: i'd word the bet "there exists a block > 1m, building on main net, with block index <= ARBITRARY_TRESHOLD , that gets more than 2016 confirmations, in less than a month"
davout: thestringpuller: you can hardly resolve 'never launched', you may be able to decide whether something was active at some date
assbot: And another one bites the dust : Picostocks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTaKS5 )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-picostocks/ << lol remember last year ?
BingoBoingo: Germany only wishes the EU could be so lopsided
BingoBoingo: Prolly easier to count they ways USia is compliant than deviant
BingoBoingo: If not always in the treaty text, often in the national laws of counterparty states reciprocity is mandated.
BingoBoingo: So actual mindfuck. Many of the treaties offering USians Visa free travel... demand the US reciprocate...
BingoBoingo: Actual owner of the game is "ESPN Events"
BingoBoingo: $500k for sponsorhips rights alone. The rest of the marketing all came with other costs.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i forget, what was the bitcoin bowl thing cost ?
BingoBoingo: It's mostly just a mind fuck documenting the behavior of a gravity well from a non-astronomical perspective.
BingoBoingo: Sample preview sentence: While most civilized states merely require proof of onward travel in a form as simple as a plane ticket to a destination outside of their borders, United States consulates in making determinations however evaluate applicants "holistically" with an emphasis not on forward travel for potential visitors, but on return specifically to their country of residence.
BingoBoingo: Well. Working on getting this one right considering it may be applicable to my own plan to escape the moon by stacking chairs.
BingoBoingo: Organizing it is still the problem being wrestled with. Elbow deep in the horse rectum of 'Murican emigration law and hand's feeling numb because that sphincter is tight like East Germany's was.
BingoBoingo swears a piece on Roger Ver and American emigration law is indeed coming. Looking like it will be the biggest turd I've dropped into qntra's bowl so far.
BingoBoingo: The qntra position in contrast is its dead, let it rot in relative peace.
mircea_popescu: tbh, i dun see what further news can be had on it.
BingoBoingo: To be fair unlike qntra coinfire keeps poking that dead thing instead of trying to respect the only enough bullets to kill it rule.
BingoBoingo: Their problem is they lack an effective prophet of doom like the one we maintain in danielpbarron
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Homero Garza cult
mircea_popescu: lmao wait, garza's scamcoin now has an army on top of all the other things it doesn't have ?
mircea_popescu: more like it's one of those viruses for which the capsid plays so many functions, it's not really anything without it
mircea_popescu: there's no intrinsic quality that makes a text string "science". it's the signature on it. a repository of anon derpage can be an encyclopedia like a pile of ascari lumbricoides can be my wife.
mircea_popescu: then people want to know why retardopedia is not a source of information. this is why. because in the mouths of the stupid, even good sense loses itself.
mircea_popescu: not by humans. and it doesn't properly fit allogenic succession definition, but because, like the putative anthropogenic climate change that allegedly is being prevented by that dumb teenager in the snow up in the log, is caused by fucking living things.
mircea_popescu: totally. except the only climate change documented to date is caused BY FUCKING BACTERIA
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if that's not the 3rd millenium united states i have no idea what is. << Well also the part where the only chance most USians have to gape in awe at a golden toilet is at the doctor's (or increasingly almost doctor's)
mircea_popescu: if that's not the 3rd millenium united states i have no idea what is.
BingoBoingo: I mean shingles is the perfect disease that hurts bad without threatening life.
mircea_popescu: vaccine doesn't work, but that's ok, because the thing it "protects " against doesn't really happen.
mircea_popescu: and then let's sell a vaccine for it. which is a shitload more expensive than a useful one, like the polio one.
mircea_popescu: which it can, theoretically, in extremely rare cases.
mircea_popescu: this is perhaps the best example of bs. first off, idiot us derps are more affraid of pain than anytihng. so let's create this fantastic disease which CAN HURT REALLY BAD
BingoBoingo: Well, it is one of those cases where what works for polio does not work for the more beneign herpes zoster.
mircea_popescu: but, just like in the case of shittywood and so on, the actual creatives get 1.5% and tjhey gotta be in a union for that even.
mircea_popescu: and i fat least all this embezzled money went into research, you know ? all the idiots that gave themselves zona zooster because "medicine" and "Science" could at least serve humanity.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "got shingles from the merck vaccine ? O ITS JUS TAN ALLERGIC REACTION WILL GO AWAY"
mircea_popescu: speaking of horrible us pharma crapola that's ended up giving vaccines a bad name in the us, and the people who (properly!) refuse vaccination now get to be depicted as redneck savages because o noes, vaccines are great (they would be, and they were before us companies got involved) :
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 23-12-2014 19:47:34; mircea_popescu: re the entire grubles/bitvps thing : the listing was discussed for a while, in a public channel. grubles was there, and not only represented himself in agreement, but represented rg as the owner of the thing.
mircea_popescu: if anything that delivery is the explanation of why the fuck the call was even necessary.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the reason they pushed for lowering inventory is probably exactly the fact that they keep ending up with shit that doesn'tsell because it expires.
mircea_popescu: zostavax is notorious for being the main source of shingles in the us, but that's another story.
BingoBoingo: Right, and HQ does the shop's job poorly
mircea_popescu: that's why the shop exists. if it doesn't do that, it can dangle.
mircea_popescu: that's not how business works. the shop is in the business of solving hq's problems. all of them.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the error is the bizarre notion that headquarters is in the business of doing the shop's job, only they have better tools ?
mircea_popescu: the two are unrelated tho. they had some shit about to expire. of coruse it gets sent out.
assbot: Crazy RxMan: The Irony of The Authorities' Inventory Management ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOaMfU )
BingoBoingo: Trying to catch AIDs for the welfare is apparently actually a subculture.
mircea_popescu: what's this, like the aids joke ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe? Then again I don't have a community college degree. Maybe I should stick around in the US just long enough to get an Obama degree.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo gotta keep them somewhere
assbot: "You have to be careful about drinking around me," Cosby just said to a woman in the crowd. Loud gasps from the audience.
BingoBoingo: http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-to-call-for-two-years-of-free-community-college-for-all-students-1420760026 << Now Obola wants to rob people of entire years of their life
blazeme8: ooohh the thing from bitcoin-otc
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRTbmv )
mircea_popescu: blazeme8 http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
BingoBoingo: The instrument of restoring Venetian civilization
asciilifeform just fond of the phrase
thestringpuller: i was thinking of the NiN album
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i dun see why it would have to be fresh.
asciilifeform: a full-bore year zero would require everybody suddenly forgetting their keys
mike_c: thestringpuller: #bitcoin-otc-ratings
thestringpuller: so the db is gonna be fresh, everyone has to re-register keys and stuff?
asciilifeform: gonna be a mega-lol when 'gossip' is plugged in and we do yet another 'year zero'..
mike_c: there's a channel with all rating updates
thestringpuller: they can if you rate through pm
thestringpuller: when did the cult become forgiving :P
thestringpuller: mike_c: well some things stay ony our credit report for years even if the rating changes :P
mike_c: can it get 'rated since' right? so you don't have to weigh whether it is worth changing a rating description vs losing the original rating date.
thestringpuller: ah so the wot is forking ;)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the agreement is adding assbot wot capabilities is desirable and strengthens the whole shebang overall << will assbot write to a wot db - assbot_wot.db if you will? or will it just be read-only?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the agreement is adding assbot wot capabilities is desirable and strengthens the whole shebang overall
mircea_popescu: PeterL the latter.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: you said a replacement for gribble auth was in the works, were you referring to "gossipd" or a more readily available something else, like using assbot for auth?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: convenience is appreciated esp. by the chronically inconvenienced. << does this mean you also appreciate time management?
PeterL: Justin Amash has an interesting take on the issue, https://www.facebook.com/repjustinamash/posts/557041991001878
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Well a number of refineries there, but there' refineries pretty much everywhere.
PeterL: wrt pipeline: I thought they were piping it to texas because that is where the refineries are, refineries are there because that is where ports are?
RagnarDanneskjol: While we anxiously await gribb's return, its worth mentioning, the best btc exchange avail is funded by donations...address is at bottom of OTC website
asciilifeform: whateverthey'recalled
nubbins`: apologies for the technical difficulties, gribble's absence has left us mildly encumbered
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Naw, I had just noticed he joined the chan earlier.
BingoBoingo: I actually think this whole fracking/pipeline thing is rather poetic. The United States is literally shattering the country's bedrock to become more like Nigeria.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski> further north, monsanto farms Further north and Keystone XL doesn't need to be as long. Right now trains and barges move crude. Refineries scatted around as well.
pete_dushenski: further north, monsanto farms
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who would need oil there, arizona ?! new mexico ? << This. Also Oklahomo, Louisiana...
mircea_popescu: who would need oil there, arizona ?! new mexico ?
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo ok, but it's neighbours too? << Yes, especially the neighbors. "Fracking"
mircea_popescu: shit, "human girls asshole" search string trendingon trilema. THE ALIENS HAVE LANDED!
mircea_popescu: well actually i don't think it's shameful either.
pete_dushenski: “The greatest secret of monarchic rule...is to keep men deceived and to cloak in the specious name of religion the fear by which they must be checked, so that they will fight for slavery as they would for salvation, and will think it not shameful, but a most honorable achievement, to give their life and blood that one man may have a ground for boasting.”
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo right, but you're saying there's no domestic need in the texas area? << Texas itself net exports on its own
mircea_popescu: earned, and appeal solely to reason. In fact, the real disturbers of the peace are those who, in a free state, seek to curtail the liberty of judgment which they are unable to tyrannize over.
mircea_popescu: Schisms do not originate in a love of truth, which is a source of courtesy and gentleness, but rather in an inordinate desire for supremacy. From all these considerations it is clearer than the Sun at noonday, that the true schismatics are those who condemn other men's writings, and seditiously stir up the quarrelsome masses against their authors, rather than those authors themselves, who generally write only for the l
pete_dushenski: you just caught me in the middle of reading "ethics" again and that's the salient bit
mircea_popescu: On April 5, DPR wrote: "I've received the picture and deleted it. Thank you again for your swift action."
pete_dushenski: not that the opposite of anonymous is an inventor
pete_dushenski: in a way, i suppose that the opposite of an inventor is anonymous...
mircea_popescu: and the opposite of ballerina is, dependopopotamus.
asciilifeform: what's the opposite of ballerina ?
mircea_popescu: so the opposite of inventor is "anonymous" ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: herr jobs & bezos are well-known figures but they are 'inventors' in much the same way as they are ballerinas.
asciilifeform: for instance, one often meets with discussion of how edison 'did not invent' x. which, for most values of x, is technically true. but i have not been able to find evidence (did try) that he is not the actual inventor of phonograph.
pete_dushenski: as much as being known for their, well, craftiness
pete_dushenski: i guess an "inventor" for me doesn't have to have a specific product attributed to them
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: possibly you knew of some invention that i am not aware of, attributed to these men ?
undata: google says the average bladder is about 0.5 L
mircea_popescu: because the us is built on "0% risk", see. otherwise smoking is ok and no need for helmets.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: seems like it does require a crown contract attesting to the fact of use in a particular product, along with statement of disposal arrangements << uranium is, if mishandled, extremely toxic.
undata: and yet people still swim in the river
asciilifeform: how much must drink from the reservoir to get lethal dose.
asciilifeform: winter clothing << the comical heat-only-the-humans-with-microwave-turret gadget from the film series 'silicon valley' was - afaik - proposed in earnest. possibly in ussr. vague recollection.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not really. Domestically we are getting the oil just fine. There's refineries spread all over the country. The point of the pipe is it runs to the ports in Texas.
pete_dushenski: export pipelines to china from alberta are happening whether keystone goes forward or not
BingoBoingo: I thought the entire point of having a domicile was heating it so clothing inside became optional.
mircea_popescu: i dunno exactly what inflamed part of the cerebrum it comes from, but it's a commie thing.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2015 21:24:49; jurov: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html had to double check it isn't the onion
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970234 << remember the days ceausescu was proposing the exact thing ? did husak havesomething similar i dun recall ? << Because they can't imagine people having occasion to fuck in the winter?
BingoBoingo: Well it's like the KeystoneXL pipeline debate for which both sides neglect to discuss the destination of oil flowing through it (the export market)
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2015 21:24:49; jurov: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html had to double check it isn't the onion
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970234 << remember the days ceausescu was proposing the exact thing ? did husak havesomething similar i dun recall ?
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2015 20:53:34; asciilifeform: http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/35154/whether-to-tell-his-prospective-employer-that-a-new-male-post-doc-opposes-affirm << found this by pure accident. linking here just for mircea_popescu's butterfly collection.
mircea_popescu: that it's obvious to you but not to them has more to do with the fact that they're used to their own shit than anything.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo why ? it's the same tribal, pretentious, inept culture. << At least Botswana's economy accepts that it exists simply as a tool for extracting raw resources.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why ? it's the same tribal, pretentious, inept culture.
pete_dushenski: speaking of cognac, i wonder what albert camus woulda thought of a $2100 bottle of the stuff bearing his name
BingoBoingo: But compared to the US it should suck less!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude... god save Botswana over there. << Stahp impeaching Botswana's reputation by implying the United States resembles it.
pete_dushenski: it's sorta the norm, neh?
mircea_popescu: dude... god save Botswana over there.
mircea_popescu: "Glicker's hand in crafting the LT2 ruling helped create an unfunded mandate that opened new markets for his company, while blindsiding cash-strapped municipalities across the country."
mircea_popescu: Most troubling are charges of decades of revolving-door cronyism surrounding Joe Glicker, a vice president of CH2M Hill, the company awarded the contracts to build the new covered reservoirs for Portland. Not only was Glicker a former chief engineer of the Portland Water Bureau (PWB), he also worked as a core consultant with the EPA to write the very LT2 rules that now require these massive "emergency" water infrastruc
pete_dushenski: send them instagram selfies of imf experts making sad faces
mircea_popescu: o wait, they don;t have facebook profiles. nm.
mircea_popescu: now there's dangers involved ? shit, i guess we gotta go apologize to all the locals that said so back then ?
mircea_popescu: holy shit! for 30 fucking years all the world could hear from us' imf "experts" was privatize, privatize, privatize
mircea_popescu: "At the heart of the controversy is a breakdown in public trust that reflects the dangers of corporate-led water privatization schemes in the United States and around the world."
mircea_popescu: the only thing making money in france, sort of like paris' appple
pete_dushenski: now they make shiny things a la apple and lv
pete_dushenski: they used to be cool
mircea_popescu: o yeah the porsche merger
pete_dushenski: and around 2007-08 porsche almost bought vw, then got flipped on its ass and the reverse happened
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there's something about vw that attracts this sort of thing. i recall a similar carnage in the 80, and then somerthing with audi
mircea_popescu: you can never really swear who's the real billy mumphrey.
mircea_popescu: well that's the beauty of the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue.
pete_dushenski: "The cost of insuring Russia’s bonds against non-repayment for five years jumped 61 basis points this year to 538, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. That makes the nation’s debt the fifth-riskiest globally, above speculative-grade countries including Lebanon, Egypt and Portugal."
mircea_popescu: i dunno why all these ppl get so excited about pgp. clearly it doesn't do anything
mircea_popescu: maybe the government was impersonating dpr all along ?
pete_dushenski: peterl nice work on the blog aggregator! any guesses as to why my apostraphes are so mangled?
mircea_popescu: there was something very very odd about the pgp used on this site that allowed employees to impersonate users.
mircea_popescu: "[A]s a side note, at what point in time do we decide that weve had enough of someone[]s shit, and terminate them? Like, does impersonating a vendor to rip off a mid-level drug lord, using our rep and system; follows up by stealing from our vendors and clients and breeding fear and mis-trust, does that come close in your opinion."
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller lol what bill would that be?
mircea_popescu: they only took them out because they didn't want the jury to hear the titles,. lest they look it up
mircea_popescu: why the fuck did he want THAT excluded
mircea_popescu: Ulbricht won only a few minor points. The government won't be able to point to certain books sold on Silk Road, such as Silent but Deadly and Homemade C-4: A Recipe for Survival. Those exhibits "unnecessarily inject elements of violence and explosive devices that are not otherwise part of this case."
asciilifeform: convenience is appreciated esp. by the chronically inconvenienced.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'll have to appreciate the value of convenience SOME DAY
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'm not as competent as you in the fields of not electrocuting myself
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if all you need is an rng, you can very easily build a satisfactory one yourself in an evening. from, e.g., 1970s textbooks.
mircea_popescu: i would like the number 6 in a cup, please.
mircea_popescu: "Q1.6: Does RANDOM.ORG perform custom jobs that require randomness? Yes. Perhaps you need more numbers than it's possible to get via the web forms, or perhaps you need them in a format that isn't supported. In those cases, we can set up a custom job for you to supply the numbers."
mircea_popescu: "Second, this is not an attack that can be launched from anywhere in the world, only reasonably close to the generator. "
mircea_popescu: and if i go to fuck a girl, i can't like... in any manner observe where the blasted slit is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we read this one together !
mircea_popescu: "RANDOM.ORG radios use in order to affect the generator. However, radio frequency attacks of this type would be difficult for a variety of reasons. First, the frequencies that the radios use are not published, so an attacker would have to broadcast across all frequencies of all bands used for FM and AM broadcasting. "
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as to whether you in his place would find yourself in the same envelope or not.
asciilifeform: as in, whether only the specced kind of judge stands a chance of becoming an american judge - or, at least, of deciding so much as the least bit of such a case - or - alternatively, whether explicit control over the judges is somehow exercised ?
asciilifeform: the judge, afaik, is a kind of mechanical component here and is operating within specced envelope
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but i was more curios in general discussion, rather than merely judging the judge.
asciilifeform: punkman: according to the document, judge proclaimed it relevant to his having been characterized as a flight risk
asciilifeform: 'thing' being the case
mircea_popescu: you can't say "clothes are dumb" just because americans are poor and the chinese are mocking them.
asciilifeform: ianal but per american law as taught, the thing is a circu
mircea_popescu: the judge.
mircea_popescu: quick "fundaments of law" practice work. were you the judge, would you have allowed the evidence presented ? if yes, why ? if not, why not ?
mircea_popescu: ie, tarzan in the jungle, finds a glub. "now that's a good club". "hello tarzan". because buna is ambiguously hello and "this is a good item"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: a: 'orcs came and burned my village to the ground' b: 'shuddup, enough whinging, do something to improve yer lot' << i can see it tbh.
mircea_popescu: the correct solution is to whip out the cock, jack off, send the film to every girl in junior high, then when the troopers show up whip the cock out, jack off on their face and beat them until they lick it off and thank you for it.
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt the solution to "welfare state has made life impossible for actual people" is "feel moar ashamed and guilty"
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: also mildly curious to know how much time your grandfather spent on irc shooting the shit and complaining about how shitty his wife was <<< all old folks i knew, of that exact generation, spent about 20 hours a week, each week, with a beer and tobacco, talking exactly the same things.
asciilifeform: to collect the 'bounty of 3,000 bits' why not go to the train station and pick up loose change...?
asciilifeform: (the 'cloak' thing isn't worth a broken penny, but we already knew that)
mircea_popescu: cazalla: how in the fuck does a pennyles german come here 65 years ago and build more in a decade or two than his own grandchildren could hope to build in a life time << you know he has a legitimate question there.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, as i shown above, if they bet rationally they do have a rational incentive to move the odds if they believe the odds.
mike_c: and obviously market inefficiency is the only way to make money at parimutuel wagering..
mircea_popescu: in which case your 1 will have to be covered to maintain the 60%. do that.
mircea_popescu: but that's not because of the system. that's because of market inefficiency (your bet didn't get covered)
mircea_popescu: yes, if the 1 doesn't get covered you make a loss.
mircea_popescu: ie, put some btc aside in their pocket
mircea_popescu: (ie, people betting one single side THINK they are. but they aren't. they should reserve the other anyway, if playing sanely)
mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter what you bet. i put both wagers down explicitly to get all terms on the table and leave no stone unturned.
mircea_popescu: and i'd argue it's fair you realise SOME of the 60-65 difference but not all, inasmuch as well... you're both on the right side of 50%, just you're 50% closer.
mike_c: ok.. so you meant 4 btc and 6 btc in the beginning.
mircea_popescu: assuming no further bets
mircea_popescu: let's model this for the sake of argument ?
mike_c: well *that* doesn't happen until late in the bet
mike_c: but you still can't bet profitably, because time weighting has progressed and only made it profitable if you think the odds are something like 82%
mike_c: you believe the odds are actually 65%
mircea_popescu: in the sense that if you figure the odds two weeks late and the market already is stable you're... late ?
mike_c: the beginning of the bet (high weight) and the end of a bet (high confidence) are the best two times to bet
mike_c: ok then, whoever this is come see me for a detailed explanation of how you are killing bitbet. http://bitbet.us/stats/1sz7C5kag76Djs55vdBFvtinvLTyfn4pf/
BingoBoingo: BitBet is the new courts circus
mircea_popescu: i guess in the end bitbet will spawn a bit phrasing discussion forum
mike_c: right, the initial wager
mircea_popescu: mike_c there is.
mike_c: there should be a 'bet author' credit. make people famous, and then i'd know who to yell at about some of these terms.
mircea_popescu: yeh, there's that.
mike_c: well, we all know by now that the title is not controlling :)
mircea_popescu: "Gavincoin orphan chain to reach 50 blocks before being abandoned" is kinda not the same as "Blockchain will increase"
mircea_popescu: i'd argue that bet doesn't actually do what the title says.
mike_c: thestringpuller: you've seen http://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/ ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, in such a way as partisanship can't hijack the meaning post facto
thestringpuller: Will likely require someone to monitor both forks (running both versions) if the event occurs as a resolution source. (Resolution source still required).