asciilifeform: the phrase is, i think, a reference to an eu-ism
decimation: the romans tried damnatio memoriae
beautyon: The enemy must be contacting all the miners in private to get them to switch. Or is that irrelevant?
mircea_popescu: wtf bs "right to be forgotten". there's no such right, unless they're forgotten they're remembered.
assbot: The tundra artichoke from frozen hell. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZDScW )
BingoBoingo: This war was foretold long ago http://trilema.com/2012/the-tundra-artichoke-from-frozen-hell/
beautyon: So it's war then.
asciilifeform: http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/07/even-script-kids-have-a-right-to-be-forgotten << another lol from krebs, re: 'hackforum'
decimation: lol "According to the government’s complaint (PDF), the email address that Gustafson provided on his U.S. passport application was the same one he allegedly used to maintain a Facebook account under the Jack Farrel alias."
asciilifeform: 'Based on information provided by A.B., the Secret Service used facial recognition to identify Jack Farrel as Ryan Andrew Gustafson.' (krebs)
assbot: The positive market effects of the delivery bet. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZDb3j )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-positive-market-effects-of-the-delivery-bet/ for background
mircea_popescu: re http://bitbet.us/bet/1100/cardano-to-ship-in-2015/#b5 : after an ad-hoc consultation half hour ago, the s.nsa board authorised a 4.72760085 BTC bet on the delivery side (1% of s.nsa equity).
asciilifeform: (some - do, sure; but adding up all of the 'puts' and 'asks', if you will, at face value, is still naive)
asciilifeform: whereas many if not most of the folks involved have little intention (or ability) to pay the promised sums, or deliver, in many cases, the goods
asciilifeform: sites like 'hackforum' are probably responsible for the 'man on the street' believing that there are vast oceans of money in crapware
asciilifeform: spammers abound, offering 'installs' or soliciting to spam by the pound
asciilifeform: anyone who wants a good laugh, should visit the site
asciilifeform: i'm told that other major telcos in usa have something not unlike it.
asciilifeform: there isn't a 'good' dns, though. the very concept is a kind of contradiction, like a pleasant jail
mircea_popescu: the agenda of computing security is moved towards increased pwnability in the exact same way and for the exact same reasons the agenda of political discussion is moved towards increasing socialism.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: traditionally they invite you to use google's dns (8.8.8.8)
mircea_popescu: it's funny how these write-ups never fail to include some call or other to "join the horde"
mircea_popescu: "While youre monkeying around with your router setting, consider changing the routers default DNS servers to those maintained by OpenDNS."
mircea_popescu: "The botnet is not made entirely of home routers; some of the infected hosts appear to be commercial routers at universities and companies"
mircea_popescu: heh. what's per pps cost ? or how do they price ?
decimation: (that is a web 2.0 'front end' to the prediction program
asciilifeform: decimation: more prosaically, details like sunspot cycle and whether you are being jammed (deliberately or otherwise)
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, that's kind of what that's designed with in mind. if we get quantum boxes, gossipd will be the killer app for it)
mircea_popescu: anyway, it may be that the entanglement experiments come to fruition, and shortwave as well as the current telco version of internet become obsolete at the same time.
mircea_popescu: and listen to it while you bathe.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (using the latter, conceivably, you might leave your receiver running for three days and in the end a light comes on; and then you can hear an hour-long broadcast.) << could leave it right to the rainfall collecting bucket
decimation: well, it's not just the high noise - it's also the terrible multipath that arises due to ionospheric propagation
asciilifeform: (using the latter, conceivably, you might leave your receiver running for three days and in the end a light comes on; and then you can hear an hour-long broadcast.)
decimation: the problem is that the 'image' of shortwave is AM broadcast, but nothing prevents advanced digital schemes
asciilifeform: sw is 'the spare internet.'
decimation: I think Russia still operates their Russian foreign broadcast service
asciilifeform: decimation: don't be so quick to bury it. there's plenty on the air - just not in english.
decimation: asciilifeform: "Germán Armando Plett’s knowledge was scraped together from the ‘Deutsche La Plata Zeitung’ (German La Plata Newspaper) and the nightly German radio broadcasts he was devoted to." << shortwave broadcast is dying, I guess because internet
asciilifeform: about 1/3 greater velocity of flow in one direction than another.
gribble: Nikola Tesla'sValvular Conduit best video - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhJtSqLz88Q>; Tesla valve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_valve>; Nikola Tesla's "Valvular Conduit" -- The Tesla Gas Turbine Patent: <http://www.tfcbooks.com/patents/1329559.htm>
asciilifeform: PeterL: at the time, various folks (including mr. t) were experimenting with electron tubes of various descriptions. t claimed to have one 'open to the air' on one end (!)
PeterL: " bullets with enormous electric charges would be accelerated in a special valve and emmited with several times the velocity of light." <<< lol
asciilifeform: PeterL: and we all have 'pdf2txt' or the like on our boxes. it isn't a solution.
asciilifeform: PeterL: the 'it's still a turd, not sausage, even with relish' principle applies even here.
punkman: no it needs a sysadmin for the server, plenty of servers to be had
PeterL: punkman: you are saying the thing works, you just need a server to run it on?
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman is off the deedbot project after the horrid failure of the past month << I accept that
mircea_popescu: well they got whitelisted both.
asciilifeform: (the first work i've chanced into on this subject, in many years, that isn't a regurgitation of old, tired pablum)
mircea_popescu: no the reverse.
mircea_popescu: then if i see my stuff republished on mfa farms/whatever later on, it's trivial to ban the leech.
mircea_popescu: i used it extensively in the 2010-2011 period to identify and ban content spinners
mircea_popescu: if you look at the feeds they start with a token which describes the parser for my use
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/
mircea_popescu: eh the world will live for five minutes at a stretch.
kakobrekla: yes there is only 20 years of internets left to go around
kakobrekla: i just find the whole fetch command thing silly.
mircea_popescu: can it be set so it scans every minute, on a diff second by the blog list ?
asciilifeform: unless the $500 machine emulates 100,000 click-idiots
mircea_popescu: cazalla $2 a day can't be a lot if you're stuck with a $500 piece of machinery + the bills for its maintenance.
cazalla: you wouldn't bother playing it for the payouts but i'm sure someone for who $2 a day is a lot would find it worthwhile
cazalla: PeterL, you throw a monkey as far as you can plus the dev alleges he will use the in-game adsense type revenue to purchase more bitcoin and increase the bitcoin payouts for users https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1bxTbByVkQ
cazalla: asciilifeform, but this app pays out the moment it awards you, i'm trying to think of a homer simpson drinking bird means of doing it but no go
asciilifeform: cazalla: this kind of thing has been done in the past; e.g., amazon corp's 'mechanical turk'
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 17:57:08; kakobrekla: i dont get this scoopbot 30 min delay + fetch command. when i setup rss feed for herr vulpes jenkins (which is now offline for some reason) i hit it once a minute cause i give no fucks. no need for this -fetch nonsense if you change the interval to something saner.
PeterL: flash sucks, I seem to remember reading they are no longer supporting Linux platforms for thier new updates?
PeterL: One thing I like about qntra is that, unlike lots of other news site, there are no auto-playing videos on EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE. bleh, stupid media sites
mircea_popescu: heh the web exchanges trending up ?
mircea_popescu: having the skin covered in hair seems evolutionarily beneficial.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with peripheral hairs, is what i'm saying. the idea is to not have hair in the core, on the liver, inside the lungs.
assbot: So /Bitstamp is back. Looks like there's a familiar BTC price premium there as people dump their fiat.
mircea_popescu: "I do not now nor will I ever care about the "readability" or "elegance" of (codebases worth 5 bux)."
RagnarDanneskjol: re molokization of deedbot v2.0 - no idea what you're talkin about? has nothing to do with me. also don't recall pestering anyone here ever..once in a blue moon I will ask questions in pm if I'm not authed/voiced.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: "I do not now nor will I ever care about the "readability" or "elegance" of codebases worth 5 bux." << These are things that the programmer should care about, because he will have to maintain the thing in the future.
RagnarDanneskjol: my understanding is the first bot went down b/c my friend disi found a server vulnerability which I promptly brought to your attention (I originally recommended you NOT have moloko do admin / continued development b/c I knew he was not suited for it). I followed the recent convo here and lead me to understand the only issue with punkbot was the vps got flooded and shut down...that's punkman's understandi
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea. the last attempt to resuscitate v2.0 died on the 5th ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-01-2015#965645 ) and that's that.
BingoBoingo: I imagine molokization refers to socially engineered time sink where thing works, obstacle, thing goes off the rails
asciilifeform: what, precisely, are the plausible worlds here. i can really think of just one - it lost db, and author pulled it down ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe it's just the way those pictures were taken but rotational differences in some of the bolt's cuts appear.
asciilifeform: at least i assume the rifle was designed to be somewhat annoying to uncripple, considering, iirc, that this was required in usa
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: On the bolt you can also notice difference aside from the one where the arrow points
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the molokization of deedbot v2.0 << wai wat? sabotage ?
BingoBoingo: Well m16 is subtype of AR and I was thinking the "lower reciever" which is legally the gun and not the bolt
asciilifeform: (is 'ar' simply alias for the well-known 'm16' ?)
mircea_popescu: in the 80s
mircea_popescu: yeah, the civil militia project of selling as many as possible, once the jews ran out.
mircea_popescu: i've really not kept up with it. maybe not, they're commies.
BingoBoingo: My bet is he wanted that ambassadorship for the swedish twinks
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And then this year's http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--scXm37N1--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/sxfqpmm6ionp6fndxgv8.jpg
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well here was the next year's card http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--MMrkZZ8c--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/vxvototrhpzistnpens3.jpg
asciilifeform: yeah, the 'actual work' of pretending to help voters, drafting bills, etc is generally performed by 18-25 year old women << zoologically interesting phenomenon. visit wash. d.c, they're everywhere - restaurants (incl. costly ones), $xx mil houses, 7 to a room...
BingoBoingo: That was the ambassador's actual christmas card two years ago
mircea_popescu: i'd rather have 10 cops that have a ld50 dose of 3 shooting assailants than 10k cops that basically constitute ballistic sacks.
mircea_popescu: are they dressed modestly enough ?
mircea_popescu: is the paris police force in danger of rape ? what's next ?
mircea_popescu: this isn't a "and they run into a cop while he had his back turned and shot him dead". this is "french police reliably can not hold its own against determined assailants". well...
mircea_popescu: on one hand, because a lot means they're expensive, and taken from more useful stuff. on the other, because if the cop can't hold his own then why even have him.
mircea_popescu: but that's exactly my problem here. there are A LOT of derps masquerading as cops. neither of these is good.
davout: but yeah, there are quite a few cops in paris
davout: well, the third one isn't that close
mircea_popescu: so. ran into a random patrol. shot at them. moved on, ran into another. shot at them too. ran into random cop. shot him too.
davout: police is annoying yes, they did save my ass once tho
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you run into three police cars doing three miles in the utter periphery ?
mircea_popescu: they don't stop crime, they just bother the 0.x% remaining parisians who actually have a job that's not enacted by hollande's fiat
mircea_popescu: NONE of which manage to do anything but get shot. why even call them police then ? what are they for, hussling people, right ?
mircea_popescu: davout anyway, epic fucking police state you got there. so, some people driving through the armpit of paris run into three police patrols. because wtf, 30% of all paris works as cops or something ?
mircea_popescu: davout how goes the islamist revolution btw ?
mircea_popescu: legitimate questions, all fo them. and they always get the same answer, of course. but irrespective of how well the cowboy manages to re-adjust
mircea_popescu: "Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb ? Mother do you think they'll like the song ? Mother do you think they'll try to break my balls ?"
mircea_popescu: not at all what i mean. consider the difference between say, a carpertner apprentice and a cowboy apprentice, both 15 in 1915.
decimation: well, if they play their cards right they can scam fiat from outsiders hoping to 'change the process'
mircea_popescu: must suck for the kids in question.
decimation: washington DC is famous for being 'inbred' in the sense that its 'experts' are all home-grown
mircea_popescu: obviously that process only works in a narrow conventional field, to the degree it might as well be a literary device. but literary characters are not necessarily aware of their conventional nature.
mircea_popescu: yeah, perianne boring is a product of a process, rather than a person.
decimation: well, the ostenisble reason is 'security', but the actual reason is that it is one more 'perk' that can be given as a favor by someone who appears to have power
mircea_popescu: this is perennially the case with free republics.
decimation: up until a few years ago, it was permissible for anyone to walk into the Capitol and walk wherever they pleased
decimation: all of whom come for the promise of 'gaining access' to 'power', the appearance of which is doled out carefully in DC
decimation: yeah, the 'actual work' of pretending to help voters, drafting bills, etc is generally performed by 18-25 year old women
mircea_popescu: but yes, decimation has a good point. nothing brings the abandonment of that republic clearer in view than going through its halls while on business.
decimation: mostly, except for the annual 'state of the union', in which case it is very important to be seen 'in session' for the cameras
decimation: 99% of the time the room is completely empty except for the speaker, a few derps on the podium, and a clerk or two
decimation: actually if you go to visit Congress in person (not recommended), you discover that they are never 'in session'
mircea_popescu: "In 1980, the average Politburo member was 70 years old, as opposed to 55 in 1952 and 61 in 1964." << in this view the soviets fell because they couldn't find enough 85 yos for the 90s
decimation: heh in that case, the us senate supports whatever wintel tells them to, which is gonna be 64-bit
decimation: the republican senate 'in principle' opposes the taxes and spending required to give free medical care to old people, but in reality fully supports showering its vote bank with trinkets
decimation: generally the soft-money treadmill is such that only those who have run the race for awhile actually have any assets
decimation: I think there's a soft-money aspect here too
mircea_popescu: what's teh republican senate think on the topic ?
decimation: plus the aged have control over the levers of power, sufficient to 'raise the bar' to attempt to extract increasingly more effort from the young
assbot: A generation at risk: Young investigators and the future of the biomedical workforce ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ay3Q50 )
decimation: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/01/02/1418761112 << lol usg 'research': "The number of principal investi- gators for R01s who are 36 y of age or youn- ger has declined from 18% in 1983 to 3% in 2010. Today, more than twice as many R01s are awarded to principal investigators who are over 65 y as are under 36 y, a reversal from only 15 y ago."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what more than "here's the db" which nano already does ?
mircea_popescu: i thought they moved to bay area.
Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: sure am
mircea_popescu: gotta be in the bezzle to be in teh bezzle eh ?
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: they migrated off of heroku?
BingoBoingo: Most common size the things come in is fuck up a few trees and remove approximately one roof
BingoBoingo: We have naturally occuring deroofers that roam the countryside in favorable weather... Tornados
mircea_popescu: come in, deroof the house, remove suspect.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if there should be some sort of tracked or maybe flexible wing roof remover ? like a huge can opener.
assbot: SWAT Team Demolishes Home To Arrest Man For DUI, Family Left Homeless | The Free Thought Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRFM8f )
mircea_popescu: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/swat-team-demolishes-home-arrest-man-dui-family-left-homeless/#M5HCmsFbcYRt3mvE.99
mircea_popescu: Eventually, law enforcement knew and anticipated needing to enter the residence, in order to take the subject into custody. Based upon the information being developed through interviews and practices used by other agencies in the past, it became necessary to breech part of the outside area of the house to ensure the safety of all involved.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i know chicks that principally like the sea/desert. i like forrested hills. you're apparently some sort of scrub bush apache stock. << I imagine mircea_popescu taking the girls out to catch their own mink and fox
mircea_popescu: it's not clear they actually have any bitcoin tho.
thestringpuller: the music is all programmed in layers so that depending on what the user is doing the music triggers, but it's all timed to a single metronome: the heart beat of the city
thestringpuller: he was telling me that in the SimCity reboot
mod6: i do kinda wish i could grow a mustasche like those guys in the picture though.
mod6: when your digits start to thaw, they feel like someone hit them with a sledge hammer. not a ton of fun I tell you.
mod6: haha. i love the desert.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can all this be accomodated in whatever Xtown.
mircea_popescu: i know chicks that principally like the sea/desert. i like forrested hills. you're apparently some sort of scrub bush apache stock.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is a point often skirted by the "paradise on earth" folk, be they "bitcoin country" or anything-else-country (loads of these historically) : not everyone likes thesame!
mod6: Beautiful land out there. At least, to me anyway.
mod6: the ranch certainly looks close.
mircea_popescu: it's very interesting to me from an anthropological pov, because you see, at the time everything was "empire", from film studios to pond shops.
mircea_popescu: probably the source of all the cowboy and indian stories. and, notably, the first ranch where the queen bee woman actually settled down on the premises.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "In its heyday, Empire Ranch was one of the largest in Arizona, with a range spanning over 180 miles, and its owner, Walter L. Vail, was an important figure in the establishment of southern Arizona's cattle industry."
kakobrekla: hence the land of opportunity.
joecool: kakobrekla: aw man you mean they didn't choose godaddy shared hosting?
kakobrekla: * Bitstamp is now running on Amazon’s world-class AWS cloud infrastructure, architected to be one of the most secure and reliable cloud computing environments available.
ben_vulpes: actually thestringpuller you can use docker to compile c on whatever and ship the resulting binary to the raspi
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> ben_vulpes: docker runs on rasbpi << and?
mircea_popescu: apparently bitcoin isn't half as revolutionary as we had thought. internet scammers had the exact same problems long prior.
mircea_popescu: "You can't tell them anything that will change their minds. You have to show them that money can be made online by actually doing it yourself. Don't be influenced by the nay-sayers, just prove them wrong."
mircea_popescu: "What do you tell family when they say IM is a scam?
mircea_popescu: qualified enough then!
mircea_popescu: can you implement the deedbot spec ?
Apocalyptic: in the bitcoin space not much, just keeping track
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, what are you doing these days ?
mircea_popescu: no, in reference to some derp that implemented the first version and made an utter mess of it.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, if i find out the molokization of deedbot v2.0 actually has anything to do with your meddling, i'll negrate you too.
mircea_popescu: you're not welcome to keep pestering people in pms, and deedbot will be reimplemented for the third time.
mircea_popescu: punkman is off the deedbot project after the horrid failure of the past month, and i've only not neg rated him yet because gribblewas off.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol no, it is not going in the right direction.
mircea_popescu: where they print 3d natural satellites.
kakobrekla: as the new bitstamp advisor?
kakobrekla: karpeles saves the day https://np.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2rphsb/daily_discussion_thursday_january_08_2015/cnjk2j7?context=3
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
davout: thestringpuller: s/enian/akian/
thestringpuller: jurov is still the coolest slovenian of all
davout: i'm the richest of my living rool!11
adlai: and i'm among the 50 richest people from my army unit
davout: Merlak, 28, and his colleague Nejc Kodric, 25, both computer experts, founded Bitstamp in 2011. According to the Slovenian media the two had earned about 23 million euros ($27.2 million) from the enterprise which places them among the 50 richest Slovenians.
adlai: yes this is a document, it has been published, there are no risks because nothing is for sale yet
jurov: "The Core Developers or other programmers could propose amendments to the Bitcoin Network’s protocols and software that, if accepted and authorized by the Bitcoin Network’s community, could adversely affect an investment in the Shares." huehue
adlai: this is OK, when they attain self-awareness we should start worrying
jurov: he's looking forward to the day someone does DPA on his brain
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... gmaxwell aware enough to notice [one of] trezor holes. << the differential power thing is plain as daylight to anyone who has seen the published schematic.
thestringpuller: you make a great point. just have to word the bet correctly.
davout: srsly, that could be one of the very few bets to be automatically solvable
thestringpuller: A historic event for the ages.
davout: the same source that makes us all agree on who owns which coins
davout: i dunno lol, i'm just saying you don't need an intermediary to source the resolution data, the data is by definition public, right?
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2015 09:00:04; davout: i'd word the bet "there exists a block > 1m, building on main net, with block index <= ARBITRARY_TRESHOLD , that gets more than 2016 confirmations, in less than a month"
thestringpuller: the 50 confirms on gavincoin chain is a little iffy
punkman: probably someone else started it, they are trying to be relevant by doing "core" development now
mircea_popescu: there we go
fluffypony: they must've if it's in 0.1
mircea_popescu: did blockstream actually publish the libsecp256k1 ?
fluffypony: it probably needs some other DRY bits
fluffypony: lemme run a slocount on them
mircea_popescu: the ecc codebase specificaly
mircea_popescu: anyway, i very much doubt nullc actually has any idea as to what's going on, apart from being in the room when it was explained and now typing words on reddit. and i doubt wuille actually did anything deliberately nefarious there.
mircea_popescu: so if you had to guess, how many previously innocent reddit read your comment and figured "hmm... there's something here" ?
mircea_popescu: but i do respect the sort of idiot that will actually go in there and do that sort of thing.
fluffypony: I applaud the test coverage, and I do agree that OpenSSL is shitty, but I don't understand the logic in writing from scratch
mircea_popescu: you know, i despise reddit, and that thing's a fine example, like are many others.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony that you in there, pointing out gmaxwell's idiocy ?
assbot: nullc comments on On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" ... ( http://bit.ly/1AzJuem )
assbot: On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1BThrna )
davout: yeah, but if it manages 2016 confs in a month it has at least half the hashpower
davout: i think it missed the timeframe bit amirite
mircea_popescu: davout there exists something like that already, "gavin's orphan chain won't die before 50 block long"
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/heres-part-n-of-our-endless-saga-aptly-titled-the-people-know-shit-or-alternatively-nothings-dumber-than-the-voice-in-the-crowd/
cazalla: My apologies to any and all annoyed by my drunken spamming of the channel last night..
davout: mircea_popescu: defined by the first block's hash
mircea_popescu: and then people disagree on what "main net" means