adlai: if we look at the blocksize limit as a parameter of the tax system, this isn't inflation, it's a tax cut - which we may wish to reverse in the future
adlai: risperidone in the stratosphere
benjamindees: davout, no, it doesn't. Bitcoin isn't ultimately equivalent to debt-issued currencies in the way velocity is measured, or in the way it impacts the value. it just appears to be at the moment because inflation (issuance) is high.
adlai: mircea_popescu: ever thought you'd find yourself leading the charge for higher taxation? :P
kakobrekla: anyway think of the poor miners.
davout: adlai: what BigBitz was saying is that an optic fiber isn't a proper airgap, which i concurred with saying that the idea of the airgap is definitely not to have some sort of permanent connection like ethernet over optical fiber should such a thing exist
adlai: with the economic issues that arise from optimizing a tax system
adlai: blocksize limit + tx fees as the taxation apparatus of bitcoin's decentralized regulatory body
adlai tends to avoid apologies although misunderstandings can lead to lots of strife so they're worth avoiding
kakobrekla: imo the blockchain size would ideally be set so that we get most tx fees. the answer to that is not simple.
adlai: then i misunderstood you, sorry
adlai: davout, decimation, i know you guys understand this, i think i understand it, the person who seemet to be confused is BigBitz
mircea_popescu: just, it will work out my way. not mtgox's way, not pirate's way, not reddit's way or the forum's way or vessenes' way
davout: adlai: ethernet-over-fiber being merely the image of 'unsupervised permanently connected automatic optical transmission device'
mircea_popescu: was the statement when that was discussed.
mircea_popescu: adlai that bet doesn't measure "successful" was discussed before, and i said "well, yeah, but it's better to err this way, give the bet a chance"
adlai: the point, if i follow correctly, is to establish a channel for conveying specific data across the airgap, as opposed to ethernet-over-fiber, which would defeat the purpose of the airgap
mircea_popescu: where originally the occasional noob might be something people want to help, if there's a lot of them that well will be run dry. which is what happened in 1993.
davout: BigBitz: "do you even network bro." <<< the point is precisely not to
BigBitz: optical ethernet. wut.
adlai is just pointing out possible corner cases in the wording, and that it's not measuring exactly "is a hardfork successful"
decimation: optical ethernet is quite common in large installations
davout: because if you manage to put some microphone somewhere and sniff audio, nothing theoretically prevents you from sniffing optic signal leaks as well, guess it all depends on the implementation specfics
BigBitz: ethernet-over-optical-fibre lolwut.
benjamindees: inflation is an increase in the money supply, of course
jurov: adlais so the issue is not about cockchain.info publishing or not? i'm confused now
mircea_popescu: benjamindees can ye answer the question ?
benjamindees: well, I was under the impression it was quite a bit, but I may have missed some things
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 17:20:51; *: kakobrekla has a serial cable with a buffer with visual confirmation of the data and it does not need to be plugged to both computers at same time
davout: kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2015#973163 <<< the visual confirmation of transferred data sounds pretty neat too
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 17:15:59; mircea_popescu: the correct airgap solution is optics.
davout: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2015#973151 <<< kind of what i figured when reading "The machine handling encryption and decryption on the MPEx side never connects to the Internet" from mpex's faq
kakobrekla: this 'this foundation can and the other cant' i very arbitrary except for one being 'us' and one 'them'.
mircea_popescu: but that;'s because you were expecting to defraud the faith others put in bitcoin by inflating it.
mircea_popescu: "If the community can't hardfork today we could stop using bitcoin now and look for the better suited alt coin. If bitcoin can't fork-update it has no value."
mircea_popescu: a hard fork that's not been ok'd by the bitcoin foundation (the real one, not vessenes' scam) is automatically an issue fort the obvious reason :
mircea_popescu: gavin does NOT have the authority to create a hard fork.
mircea_popescu: i was thinking more along the lines of a publicly accessible splitter service
jurov: would be quite a perk for mpex users... "liquidate" positions according to last month report and allow to withdraw all the gigacoin
mircea_popescu: there never was a hard fork before. the march event was an observed fork which was resolved by abandoning the new chain.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if you mean todd's comment, he is correct.
adlai: there are butts, this is not how the bet is worded... but this is the pot calling the kettle empty
jurov: "is the gigablock visible on bc.i?" "yes but.." "not but"
jurov: adlai actually if bc.i serves both then it will be YES
adlai can see himself holding opposite sides of such bets, depending on the exact timing of shenanigans
adlai: a better phrasing might talk about the block size of the highest difficulty chain at the resolution date
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2015 19:18:11; danielpbarron: .@aantonop Being banned by Reddit is almost as worse as @rogerkver not being allowed in the US
assbot: https://t.co/2iVjWSBkxsSo, Gavin, do you really want to lose little people their coins? Or could you just let it drop?
cazalla: thestringpuller, email it or pm
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is not identified.
thestringpuller: Ah. Didn't know everyone was gonna go Xbox live on each other - "I FUCKED YOUR MOM" and shit.
cazalla: thestringpuller, sure, just need to get a few cuppas into me, look at all this drama i've woken up to because of you!
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s2utx/the_hard_fork_missile_crisis/cnlqcd1 << dunno if semantics or what?
assbot: Btw, we are actually working on a charger that automatically moves out from the wall & connects like a solid metal snake. For realz.
jurov: or you plan to sell them all yourself?
jurov: mircea_popescu: when the fork hits the fan, will you allow us to withdraw our part of gavincoins from mpex?
mircea_popescu: maybe because a pimp's essentially an actor playing the cuckold role, i dunno.
mircea_popescu: there's something about that market that always selects for ineptitude
mircea_popescu never thought much of the average pimp
ben_vulpes: disrupt the whore-er-archy!
thestringpuller: its like the CIA turning jihadist into CIA assets.
mircea_popescu: and as to the question of "how was gavin turned", the answer is obvious : cultural immersion. he happens to be part of the problem, much like if you put ximenez in charge of the supreme court you'll get burnings at the stake out of the legal process irrespective what the laws say.
mircea_popescu: this directly dovetails into the "going around naked holding just the handles of missing suitcases, telling each other stories about wonderous wardrobes" point discussed earlier.
mircea_popescu: that should tomorrow tide agree to rebrand its detergent as "bitcoin", then it will be okay if there's n omore bitcoin. because bitcoin has no identity but is merely a name, and since the empty name is "more widely used" the project is nominally "more successful"
mircea_popescu: the way "embrace, extend and extinguish" is dressed up in foundation/power ranger internal communication is, "to maximize bitcoin the ideal approach is to not define bitcoin any particular way". this neatly matches their refusal to specify the protocol, and its direct implication is
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron "This whole hard fork drama is part of the bigger brain-damaged notion that Bitcoin isn't about money." << you actuyally have an excellent point here.
thestringpuller: people are like "Yo he broke the rules but didn't know. Don't punish him too hard, just give him a warning."
thestringpuller: guess we still haven't left the ages of people wanting to play bitcoin banker
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron almost as worse ? wtf is wrong with these college grads!
mircea_popescu: people with no money expressing views asa to how money works. because clearly... they;'d know.
assbot: I’ve now been unbanned from reddit. The drama is over.
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy he wasn't following none of these b4 ?
thestringpuller: i wonder if he'll make some kind of contact, "Yo guise, stop stirring up the pot. You're making our hijacking job too hard."
thestringpuller: oh boi. the lines are being drawn.
mircea_popescu: "i have to tell you miss lopez, you seem to have caught the egyptian flu."
thestringpuller: whores do real work, so I'm pretty sure they have housing
thestringpuller: i read a story somewhere that there is a whole slew of entrepreneurs in SF that are homeless
thestringpuller: it's just mind boggling these children in suits feel so entitled.
mircea_popescu: a good idea that makes no money is a bit like a norwegian blue that's pining for the fjords. beautiful plumage...
mircea_popescu: how's it a good idea then ?
thestringpuller: this is why I think the ycombinator "seed funding" thing is a bit non-sensical.
thestringpuller: perhaps. reddit does have a ridiculously hard time paying the bills with their own money.
mircea_popescu: they lose jack. i suspect it's merely a fetish.
thestringpuller: if user makes too many post too soon, they lose money
mircea_popescu: (accurately, of course, means nothing objective. accurately in this context strictly means "so nobody gets a full A half the time". because you're looking for flaws, not to prop self esteem.)
mircea_popescu: don't do that, all 30 kids are undistinguishable. up until, of course, they run against feynman's nature, that which can't be fooled.
mircea_popescu: out of 30 kids, 27 will fucking riot, 3 will buckle down and do fucking homework. that they don't strictly have to do.
mircea_popescu: experiment can be carried out in absolutely any class. start marking the papers accurately.
mircea_popescu: "Some people have to have a world of evidence before they can come anywhere in the neighborhood of believing anything; but for me, when a man tells me that he has "seen the engravings which are upon the plates," and not only that, but an angel was there at the time, and saw him see them, and probably took his receipt for it, I am very far on the road to conviction, no matter whether I ever heard of that man before or n
thestringpuller: "We want free things. Make it all free! We don't want to pay for nice things! We are entitled to the world cause our parents told us so!"
mircea_popescu: "so they want signal and feedback that's ok, we'll add some buttons and call them feedback" herp.
decimation: perhaps that's another good replacement phrase for "chronic kinglessness": "the people want for feedback"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell hanbot how did you not have a stroke while in the trenches of super retardism?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ask her lol. i dunno.
mircea_popescu: "but people have a voice". orly ? turns out people don't want a voice, especially not in a fucking void. they really want signal and feedback more than they want voice.
mircea_popescu: this is why it's cheaper to "publish" if you're twitter than if you're the [classical] new york times, and why the current nyt is twitter in another color scheme.
mircea_popescu: because it is in all times and places cheaper to NOT carry other people's actions in your mind than to do so.
mircea_popescu: but essentially... they didn't care.
decimation: it is too bad the french were to fucktarded to keep their lands in north america. it would be interesting to know the history of the Bourbon West
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller my daiquiri salutes you.
mircea_popescu: because "centralize all the things" was the fashionable motto at the time of the manifest destiny and so on.
decimation: yes, the religious fanatics went to war to make the government-stamped shackles the fashion
mircea_popescu: "the civil war was an important fashion battle in the manner of shackles to be used"
mircea_popescu: not the best ? perhaps. but a nude statement of unbestness is as useful as an aeroplane made out of air.
mircea_popescu: decimation the much decried "penitentiary industrial system" doesn't exist because evil white aliens from alpha centauri opress the world into doing it.
mircea_popescu: that's what the "voter" is supposed to be. but ... he isn't.
mircea_popescu: these are very different sorts, and the classical representation of man holds him to be equally both.
mircea_popescu: fundamentally, some people wish to be told WHAT they did is right and WHAT is wrong. and perhaps why. perhaps. half the time maybe they care.
decimation: "So that’s my working hypothesis: it’s not merely that politics is an epiphenomenon and that deeper personal qualities account for what we call political polarization, but that one specific dimension—our respective attitudes toward personal responsibility—accounts for a huge proportion of the polarization all by itself."
mircea_popescu: however, the mechanisms that ensured value actually moves with the name there aren't present here.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, this "thing as its name" approach is very much empowered by legal abstractions such the corporation,
mircea_popescu: people of course like to pretend mysapce is a circumstance rather than a fundamental.
mircea_popescu: the only possible way that goes is myspace.
mircea_popescu: but an imaginary "social media platform" where value is UGS but all work is somehow, magically owned by the name, which is being bought and sold as *the thing it stands for*... well ?
mircea_popescu: once that happens, people naturally start to control the work, and hierarchy forms, and value springs from it, and prosperity is everywhere.
mircea_popescu: contrairiwise, the first step towards not being quite so poor is "giving people control of the fruits of their own work", aka not taxing them 100% (what is social media but an experimental regime of 100% tax ?)
mircea_popescu: having someone to say "hey, this is great" "omfg that's fucking stupid" is the very essence of economy. you can disagree with them, or pick a different one, or create special methods for their working or measuring or announcing or whatever, it's endless. but if you remove it altogether, creating essentially a flat surface instead of a 3d shape, you WILL be poorer.
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the wikipedia-side of the web2.0 utopia (and it has nothingm to do with o'reilly.)
decimation: what do you call feedback if it is disconnected from the circuit?
mircea_popescu: "well if you all made the same decision you'll be poor too and there wouldn't be a difference to make us sad"
mircea_popescu: then they have the problem that "google has so much money, we don't!" well... of course ?
decimation: actually, they only get 'positive' feedback in the sense that they have now edited X+1 articles
mircea_popescu: "everyone can edit it", because "nobody is here to manage it" sounds great only on the surface. but in essence, what it means is that "nobody intelligent agrees this is worth doing"
mircea_popescu: no. it's the result of a bunch of stupid people without any sort of feedback or signal.
decimation: so in summary, wikipedia is the result of a bunch of smart people without direction?
mircea_popescu: " i do agree with the original statement that the particular way in which intellectual property is handled today makes the world richer rather than poorer." << meant it exactly backwards. poorer rather than richer.
mircea_popescu: it's as if every teacher in the hs left to go attend pravda readings, and the children are now stuck with the cleanning ladies.
mircea_popescu: it's because the smart people that should be scoring them left their spots in the local hierarchy, because "better things to do" and now a retard like altman is left herding them around, as best he can.
mircea_popescu: suppose nobody bothers to manage (ie, even TELL kids when they're saying something smart or stupid) because everyone that could be that is too busy attenting the teacher's unions meetings where they discuss which class is more valuable.
mircea_popescu: it's not necessarily or striclty a matter of "pay" as in, the obvious direct "gimme 20 bux i need for mcdonalds".
decimation: yeah, it kinda connects with your rms discussion over the last days
mircea_popescu: specifically because by buying and selling stuff like watsapp or instagram or whatever as if they were representative of something they're merely SYMBOLIC of (their user's aggregated intellectual work) we're in essence going about carring handles of suitcases
mircea_popescu: regardless of this, i do agree with the original statement that the particular way in which intellectual property is handled today makes the world richer rather than poorer.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly incorrect. power laws only result when the group is decentralizedly sorting the group. only then.
mircea_popescu: decimation ok this discussion is too retarded to read, i threw up a bunch of warnings but a critical error at "So in terms of networks, what happens is, if you have people all competing for their place to be sorted by a single central hub, then you get a power law."
mircea_popescu: perhaps they dunno what polymath means ?
mircea_popescu: "Jaron Lanier is one of the worlds great polymaths. Hes a computer scientist, composer, visual artist, and the author of a new book, Who Owns the Future?, published last month "
mircea_popescu: decimation so i can't find a stealing the future reference re one jaron lanier. any link or anything ?
mircea_popescu: (used to be it was legal even if encrypted, if you disclose to the media)
decimation: more or less. in the us, it is generally safe to listen to anything that isn't encrypted
decimation: there's a guy who is much more advanced in messing around with satellites: http://usa-satcom.com/
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but if you could be bothered to make a blogpost like the guy's with the dish...
mircea_popescu: words are apparently brands, which is to say names. they don't need to mean anything anymore than popescu needs to mean something. (which it does, but who cares)
mircea_popescu: "would the web go away if there were no links between websites ?" "no because they'd still be on the internet" prolly the best one.
decimation: kakobrekla: yeah, serial works too, and one can clip out the return path if desired
decimation: are we chatting on the web now?
mircea_popescu: i call it the moruzov discovery. check it out yourself, see what % of authors using both terms in the same text display an awareness of their meaning.
kakobrekla has a serial cable with a buffer with visual confirmation of the data and it does not need to be plugged to both computers at same time
mircea_popescu: well it's not clear what, "either" is improper. "commenting on nothing while misrepresenting themselves as talking about one or the other."
mircea_popescu: hack them out of optic mice or w/e.
decimation: the 'adult' solution is a one-way fiber link
mircea_popescu: the correct airgap solution is optics.
mircea_popescu: decimation i don't like it, because : as a way to transfer data between the two computers where there's a cable, it's stupid. even serial protocol is better, but we have tcp etc. as an airgapped solution is stupid, because sound.
mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly, this never worked before reddit, but it works splendidly there.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic: what is a shadowban? << graham came up with this brilliant "let's ban users but not tell them" on the theory that users are idiots and won't notice anyway.
punkman: decimation, there's also an electrum plugin for it
mircea_popescu: cazalla that thread's a fine example of why bitcoin "needs to be more accessible". so that more people who have no business running a computer can tell their friends about how bad bitcoin is.
BigBitz: did Bitstamp confirm the attack vector?
decimation: asciilifeform: re: jaron lanier << his "open source is stealing the future" idea seems rather silly
decimation: “The bacteriology community needs to get away from culturing bacteria on agar plates, because this will not lead to new antibiotics.”
decimation: http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/41850/title/New-Antibiotic-from-Soil-Bacteria/ << re: Teixobactin
mats: comments are visible to just the poster
Vexual: he prolly used his email password on the latest scam fucker website
BingoBoingo: This Cook fellow finding OpenBSD is one of the best things to happen to linux in a decade.
assbot: The Cool Kids love Erlang - Gustav Simonsson, Henning Diedrich - Berlin Erlang Factory Lite on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1wKhG0x )
mircea_popescu: from what i recasll the guy was strugling with memory leaks and other such joyspots.
assbot: The Pen Is Mightier Than the Sword, But This Ativan Tho | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1AKbJH6 )
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2014 01:35:50; jurov: prolly i confused it with this: https://github.com/MatthewLM/cbitcoin/
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ecdsa-in-python.24166/ also instructive, fro mthe days before btctalk became tardstalk.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i tell you, air conditioning blowing on one's ballsac post coitally is one of those refined pleasures of civilisation
ben_vulpes: does anyone know what precisely the "private key" dumped by bitcoin is? is that the secret that can be used with EC_KEY_regenerate_key to regenerate a key?
mircea_popescu: and pneumonia. they found gold, what.
BingoBoingo: Hopefully it holds together well in DMSO
mircea_popescu: i think the main point is, you won't be able to take a shit in the forest without hitting one of these chips soon enough
gribble: Error: The answer exceeded 1.79769313486e+308 or so.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Lighter than Vancomycin's 1449 as a further illustration of the sheer size of the space.
BingoBoingo: And why the distributed protein folding stuff is mostly a noisemaking lottery machine.
mircea_popescu: here are not enough resources on Earth, or in our entire solar system, to do enough organic synthesis to make any noticeable dent in that array. The idea of having compounds that bind to things like Lipid II is a good one, but they're going to have to be large compounds, and exploring that space is daunting.
mircea_popescu: As an aside, if you're outside the field, you might wonder why it's worth working so hard to find natural products when we have so many synthetic organic chemists in the world cranking out new compounds. One big reason is the ridiculous, insane hugeness of chemical space: the number of possible compounds at or under the molecular weight of teixobactin defies description, and I mean that in a completely literal sense. T
BingoBoingo: I mean the past century has mostly been about refining tools while methods for using tools atrophied. A lot of potential in just... pointing those tools somethere else in an informed way instead of doing the microscope hammer thing.
mircea_popescu: as the guy aptly points out, it's never been a better time to be a biochemist.
BingoBoingo: Who woulda thunk there's be worthwhile shit in stuff that doesn't culture as cheaply as possible?
assbot: Teixobactin: A New Antibiotic From a New Platform?. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1w8q093 )
mircea_popescu: ah. there's a fine reason to prefer women. if well trained... hard to match.
mircea_popescu: btw, the vomit thing actually happened. girl had to eat catfood, out of bowl, no hands. long hair, one hair ended up in there, she had to eat it, it made her puke, she had to eat that, which she did. one strange half hour.
gabriel_laddel: Me: "so what do you think of MPEX"? He: "What they do is illegal!! You can't take money from investors in the united states without explicit approval of USG!"
gabriel_laddel: Me kicked out of place I'm staying - being called "the next hitler"
gabriel_laddel: Etherum guy tells me that he wants a "Holarchy" instead of an explicit hierarchy cause trilema articles are scary.
BingoBoingo: How else did Rome handle the vomit problem?
gabriel_laddel: people fucking flip over slaves licking up their own vomit.
gabriel_laddel: some of the luzly ones read... re-read... re-read and eventually ask "Does he hate women or...?" (Not rabbits article)
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: this is how I know they've not read it. I tell them it is Romanian and pull up google translate in another tab, show them the keybinding to switch tabs.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel wait, wasn't the rabbit article in romanian ? what're they to read ?!
gabriel_laddel: lol. twould be more entertaining than all of the bezzle 'media' output circa 2014
mircea_popescu: Their Face When Trilema
gabriel_laddel: I think, all of the sudden they understand on some level that this era of prosperous morons is coming to a close.
gabriel_laddel: I've shown several people in Silly Con valley the rabits article. Fear flashes through their eyes and they hand the laptop back without reading it all the way through.
mircea_popescu: isn't it fascinating how deeply i bothar these ppls ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Also there any number of poisonous alcohols more similar to various sugars than ethanol.
BingoBoingo: sweet is probably common in poisons because of the large class of poisons that are almost biologically useful...
asciilifeform: (has anyone, incidentally, described the taste of Po-84 ?)
mircea_popescu: hm, it is often reported... seems poisons are either bitter or sweet. rarely you hear "salty"
asciilifeform: wonder if 'sweet' is the default for own-meat-dissolving taste.
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2014 02:36:18; asciilifeform: 'The smell of diborane is known to a few experimenters, but they cannot tell us what it is.'
mircea_popescu: however, the meat doesn't TASTE bad.
mircea_popescu: bioaccumulation (heavy metals, etc) is much more a concern for fish eating than otherwise.
asciilifeform: which is just as much of a fact in the sea as on land
asciilifeform: the standard hypothesis for 'why carnivores aren't good for the table' is bioaccumulation
asciilifeform: a) chinese b) idiots c) who even knows what species they actually cooked
BingoBoingo: Reviewer wants to get full on their per diem
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i dunno, something about oversalted leberwurst. << Also the shift from a menu one can get full eating to some sort of "trendy" tasting menu based on appetizers.
mircea_popescu: there are, yes.
asciilifeform: highest 4-star rating from restaurant reviewer << are there whorehouse reviewers? if not, why not ?
asciilifeform: what was the matter, somebody spread rumour that their shitter wasn't chemically-pure gold but engineering-grade ?
mircea_popescu: ld, as print media struggles for survival, creating controversy sells magazines whether its ethical or not.