ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] i give you even money she's contributing to open source projects, doing his/their substitutions. << "she"?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] http://collarspace.com/details.asp?px=sweetheartslave&bhcp=1
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdp651OV2N1rg712do1_500.jpg << at first i was like "hrrrrrm supa suspect knots" and then i was like "o damn that's a bukkit of immabouttogetrealcold"
pete_dushenski: i ran mac stuff, just not the latest
ben_vulpes: hang on i have to find the "my eyes rolled so far back they got stuck" emoji on this osxboard
pete_dushenski: i keep them rolled down mostly
pete_dushenski: hey i'm not about to come over there and make you do anything you don't wanna do
ben_vulpes: anyways, blew my stack on any number of fronts and then had to soothe 51% and myriad bystanders down.
ben_vulpes: "first, say 'all cops are filth', and then i'll consider taking us up the hill in the morning."
ben_vulpes: my mom was actually one of those disappointed radicals from the sixties
ben_vulpes: "no but channukah's not supposed to be a materialistic holiday, it's about murdering the roman--"
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tchotchke | I'm going nuts with my mother's accumulation of tchotchkes - it's bad enough she never parted with one she got as a gift - but why did she have to buy more?
ben_vulpes: "FUCK THIS WHY AREN'T WE AT THE CABIN"
pete_dushenski: i was inelegantly saying that i too have spent a good number of christmas and boxings days on the slopes
ben_vulpes: is this not the civilized sport?
ben_vulpes: there've been a few bottles of wine, pete_dushenski
ben_vulpes: I DON'T GET THE CEPHALAPOD JOKE
mircea_popescu: (women that spent their adolescent years being fucked with their backs on the same car = bonnet sisters)
mircea_popescu: mebbe they're bonnet sisters.
pete_dushenski: drives a truck together?
pete_dushenski: but i don't let them close to my fambly/harim money!
ben_vulpes: have you boned the bride?
pete_dushenski: too close to miss their wedding at least
ben_vulpes: oh, your girl knows them huh
punkman: well don't go to random hobo's hackathon what's the point
ben_vulpes: local calendars are trivially trollable, in the fishing sense.
punkman: the hackathon?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: well the common pattern is "show up! recruit t34m! build thinger and or slideshow depending on what your idiots can muster!"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hey man this is america, land of the scam.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: we can't tell if the nefarious plan is retarded though.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] Adlai that's the idea. looky here : gribble/wot was created a few years ago,. when btc was worth nothing and nobody bothered distinguishing between taaki and gavin. << oh we're distinguishing between taaki and gavin nao
ben_vulpes: problem being nobody involved can figure if anyone involved with the charade will actually increase deal surface area
ben_vulpes: (and by the shop i mean me and 51%)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu basically, ignore the current institutions and their pretenses at anything, develop a new system exterior to it
ben_vulpes: the shop is considering entering a local "hackathon"
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] not without seven oceans' worth of parallelconstructiony-plausibledeniability << what was that apocryphal "nazi" dropped out of the plain with "papers" again?
mircea_popescu: take a simple example. "dude, get out of the us." "no, i'm going to write my senator."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes jus' sayin for the log reader.
ben_vulpes: qntra's the great white hopi afaict
pete_dushenski: "Neoreactionary socio-political solutions are ultimately Exit-based. In every case, exit is to be defended against voice. No society or social institution which permits free exit is open to any further politically efficient criticism, except that which systematic exit selection itself applies. Given the absence of tyranny (i.e. free exit), all forms of protest and rebellion are to be
ben_vulpes: <assbot> [] Venture Capital investment in Silicon Valley hits dot-com boom levels • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQpMME ) << task for eager student: calculate ROI for each VC firm based on known investments and exits
assbot: Venture Capital investment in Silicon Valley hits dot-com boom levels • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTfJZ1 )
ben_vulpes: <decimation> [] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/17/vc_investment_hits_dotcom_boom_levels/ << annual silly-con valley vc funding is less than a single whatsapp
pete_dushenski: i tell you it kills at the local comedy club!
ben_vulpes: at least you're not stooping so far as to toe the clutch
ben_vulpes: but hey "tow the party line" at least you got a decent pun out of it
pete_dushenski: plus, i sorta got myself banned from a few press fleets after failing to tow the party line..
ben_vulpes: till you got kicked off the circuit lol
pete_dushenski: the car blog paid more in experiences anyways
ben_vulpes: or spell either
gribble: The Wallet Inspector's Promise | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/02/27/the-wallet-inspectors-promise/>; Why It's Over For Litecoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/06/17/why-its-over-for-litecoin/>; Adding Value To Bitcoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/21/adding- (1 more message)
ben_vulpes: (that's what they call it in french canada, right?)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes my guess is either he's running a high end brothel out of the preppy sluts he grew up with, or else he's living off teh fambly fortune.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes the bare minimum
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: Neocameralism and the escalator of massarchy ... ( http://bit.ly/1IR7vyB )
mircea_popescu: or parliamentary procedure this or the toher
pete_dushenski: so i was recapping your old pieces on the matter
pete_dushenski: apparently there's even something called neocameralism
pete_dushenski: i spent a bit of time trying to grok them since they came across my desk this week and it's really quite challenging to find much positive in their thinking
mircea_popescu: well the quote salad certainly doesn't seem to mean anything
pete_dushenski: basically, they don't work from causes too well
pete_dushenski: "neoreaction is a specific discovery of the arrow of time, within the field of political philosophy. It learns, and then teaches, that the way to get out cannot be the way we got in."
pete_dushenski: like us with no interest or understanding in the workings of power, economics, or politics
pete_dushenski: and they dislike democracy and like heirarchy
pete_dushenski: they don't much care for progressives or equality
pete_dushenski: they're sorta like libertarianists
pete_dushenski: ha well these neoreactionist kids are pretty darn confused so it'd be a fair reflection of that
assbot: Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IR2fv3 )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/17/spending-all-your-time-figuring-out-what-kind-of-ism-you-and-your-friends-believe-in-so-that-you-can-call-each-other-whatever-ists-is-no-way-to-improve-the-world/
mircea_popescu: kinda funny as to what counts to insults these days.
mircea_popescu: about as fun to fuck out of them, too.
asciilifeform: of the 'i hate boys' variety
mircea_popescu: teenager's affiliation is worth about the same governmental promises are worth.
asciilifeform: if only these folks stuck to diddling comments
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the misshapen face seems more concerning. haircut easy to fix, buzzcut still required for moloday a
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i'm kinda waiting for the moment when broken code is defended as "different perceptions of software". why should it fixed ? it's not a bug, it's a rights issue!
mircea_popescu: i give you even money she's contributing to open source projects, doing his/their substitutions.
assbot: How the other half lives, or Michael O. Church is a scummy fuckwit pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQLxvL )
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/how-the-other-half-lives-or-michael-o-church-is-a-scummy-fuckwit/#comment-111514 << wtf was this about
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me of the anthill scene in baldaev.
Adlai: genius at work is not "jeff garza", unless he's another one of these namechanging shapeshifters
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you don't understand how the baptist worlkd works!
Adlai: hmmmmmmmm that sandra does not look like the lady i saw with him
Adlai: i'm pretty sure there are pics of his family on reddit, probably posted by some angsty idiot after realizing he'd never get his hashpoints back
Adlai: and realized the roles of his entourage
Adlai: and then i recognized his hairdo
Adlai: at first i was so glad, "ah, some diversity in the conference patrons!"
Adlai: he's here along with lady and the goons
mircea_popescu: maybe send them as teachers to china ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai check it out, i can do the conference solo!
mircea_popescu: "your mother is a whore"
Adlai: another quote from miami: "bitcoin is the only technology with a price feed". me: "bullshit, bitcoin has no price feed, although each person in this room has their own slightly differing one"
mircea_popescu: they're predicated on the theory that ustardian faggots really enjoy the feeling of a stretched rectum, and politicians are essentially whores : in the business of pleasing the customer with the least possible effort.
mircea_popescu: undata: because terrorists can't find an old copy of gpg? << gun laws aren't predicated on the theory that criminals can't find a gun.
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2015 00:22:17; mircea_popescu: https://evil32.com/examples.html for the innocents reading logs.
mircea_popescu: davout: that doesn't make much sense to me, how would a maliciously crafted pubkey even verify the signature? << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2015#981108
mircea_popescu: Adlai guy at some other conference said ginzu knife.
asciilifeform: was trying to explain the history.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: original pgp was not an apparatus for one-off deals with strangers, but something to use between friends, as i understand. << what you say is accurate, but doesn't excuse. suppose i knock up a girl, and the blastule in her folds goes "hey, daddy's cock was crooked, so let's make the baby's cunt crooked too. nothing like baking in random assumptionbs for no good reason!"
Adlai: ("i use coindesk and zeroblock. the forums and reddit are good for laughs, but have lots of trolls and altcoins")
Adlai: seems to be working well for them so far, guy at the conference said that coindesk is a reliable news source so it must be
mircea_popescu: davout: "Implementations SHOULD NOT assume that Key IDs are unique", so let's just include that in the signature packet. derp << no, seriously.
mircea_popescu: Adlai the worse part being that they're innocent enough to not know that's a dumb business model.
Adlai: (not that most other "news" sites, on all topics, don't do this)
asciilifeform: do we really need to read past 'ethereum' ?
asciilifeform: 'those concerns are being addressed as Ethereum moves toward its planned launch sometime this year.'
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is to be tried. deck the nude chicks in fox, sable, hermeline, etc. wear blindfold. have fun.
Adlai: orthodox jewish women don't get to wear the fancy stuff
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a proper russian hat is about there also. sable or w/e.
Adlai: in the (badly remembered, can't be bothered to watch all his youtube videos to find the exact) words of the great Pat Condell: "they'd rather the world returned to the stone age, aside from a brief excursion into seventeenth century poland for some clothes"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc my history, the thing was actually invented by volga tatars
asciilifeform: lol, ru hat that took a disintegrator blast to the top.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ru sheepskin hat ?
mircea_popescu: you know the ones where wearer looks like he's put a cake on his head ?
mircea_popescu: whole country is essentially a "we were too cheap to actulaly build the disneyland but we're selling tickets to it anyway"
decimation: first time I went there it struck me as a shithole
Adlai: decimation: first time here. this may be the most touristy place i've ever visited
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> i wasn't probably ever cing to get it. << you fucks, in five years nobody's going to be able to read the logs who hasn't been here for six lol
Adlai: well the conf did yield one good thing, a new idiom: "bullshit bingo"
Adlai consoled himself by asking the nice salespeople at the paybase booth whether he could point his mining hardware at zenpool
Adlai: btcmiami is a disappointment, we were robbed of our chance to hear the great garza speak
felipelalli: qntra.net for me is the more serious and reliable source of information about bitcoin nowdays, there is something similar?
mircea_popescu: nanotube's idea was to re-create the wot as a p2p thing of sorts, and he's been working at it for a while, but hey. it's hard.
mircea_popescu: then bitcoin became more valuable than all of san francisco combined
mircea_popescu: Adlai that's the idea. looky here : gribble/wot was created a few years ago,. when btc was worth nothing and nobody bothered distinguishing between taaki and gavin.
Adlai: dunno, i authed with gribble as usual, then messaged assbot !up, and had to auth with him as well
mircea_popescu: Adlai no they're supposed to work in tandem.,
Adlai: congratulations on replacing the WoT's centralized point of failure with another centralized point of failure!
decimation: asciilifeform: of course, said 'pill' couldn't have been 'fired in anger' either? don't need higher math to understand the implications
asciilifeform: it is very easy to keep a secret which 100 people alive can appreciate the significance of.
mircea_popescu: and they are teh premier unemployable math grad student cemetery.
asciilifeform: but from the pc-diddler brigade.
PeterL: sharks, with frickin lazer beams attached to their heads
asciilifeform: remember, this isn't from the cracking-pgp division
mircea_popescu: dude, they're selling themselves as something more than "zack & miri make an agency"
asciilifeform: this is the first document where i'm nearly convince that it isn't a hangout.
asciilifeform: there we go.
asciilifeform: why the hell not ?
mircea_popescu: srsly ? they SRSLY use sound spectroscopy ?
asciilifeform: having worked on own versions of many of the gadgets described, i will attest that there is nothing outlandish about any of them.
mircea_popescu: on the grounds that
PeterL: yeah, I know it is not quite the same thing
assbot: Venture Capital investment in Silicon Valley hits dot-com boom levels • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQpMME )
decimation: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/17/vc_investment_hits_dotcom_boom_levels/ << annual silly-con valley vc funding is less than a single whatsapp
mircea_popescu: "oh we got fingerprints let's not use them"
mircea_popescu: who the fucking fuck was dumb enough!
decimation: asciilifeform: what about the meta-nsa part?
mircea_popescu: that's basically the long and the short of it. nsa = national scriptkiddie association. a glorified derp club.
mircea_popescu: yes, these folks are script kiddies.
mircea_popescu: that's actually the difference between artist and script kiddie.
asciilifeform: what's funny. any good crapware artist has 'protocol' - as in, what order to put the bits in over the wire
mircea_popescu: who the fuck woud be stupid enough to use a protocol for this job ?!
asciilifeform: the rest can be safely skipped, mostly snore.
decimation: \me wonders if lizzard hitler's purpose with these releases is simply to distribute digital contraband for later reckoning
asciilifeform: http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35661.pdf << the document concerning specific doctored firmware
mircea_popescu: "famine is a disaster that opens the door to opportunity : you can swallow knots!"
asciilifeform: whereas a wireless handset, most of the time, is not
decimation: asciilifeform: there are at least two main reasons for this: 1.) it is illegal to 'telemarket' to mobile phones and 2.) landlines are billed at outrageous rates
assbot: Disaster, meet opportunity: Verizon's plan to push wireless on copper landline customers | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQnsFx )
decimation: http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/8/4308462/verizon-drops-traditional-telephone-service-after-hurricane-sandy-damage
asciilifeform: point is, most of the remaining copper could vanish overnight, and not one in ten people will notice.
mircea_popescu: decimation i doubt they would meet my definition. things like "every boy under 16 must have 4 acres of forested hillside and a dog"
asciilifeform: decimation: if this is so, it is contrary to the ancient laws.
decimation: asciilifeform: actually I thought there were areas where they 'gave up' and decided not to rebuild any phone system
asciilifeform: the same.
assbot: Logged on 02-05-2014 21:22:05; asciilifeform: copper is expensive - not merely the metal, but maintenance - keeping water out of the cable ducts, etc. the telcos would hurry to be rid of it even the removal did not speed the arrival of arsenet.
mircea_popescu: decimation imo destroying the copper infrastructure is even dumber than destroying the family infrastructure.
decimation: not for any technical reason, but because of the assorted pile of usg policy & requirements that apply to 'common carrier' services like telephone
mircea_popescu: imo not wrth the bullets.
asciilifeform: once you switch to the opticals here, they - as decimation pointed out in this and the last 3 threads on the subject - tear out your copper.
assbot: <Rozal> h <Rozal> hi <Rozal> i hate people who abuse the rating system <Rozal - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IQlDZ4 )
decimation: in the past, the copper wires were 'powered' by the telephone company in its central office
mircea_popescu: and it's still illegal to fuck with the copper in yurp.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here the pole also has a battery, for the telco routers. but the house optical chest has another. this is actually on account of an ancient law that proclaims that voice telephony must work during mains outages
mircea_popescu: it doesn't have to be ON THE EXACT END
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is weird. in romania they keep the end battery on the pole next to you
mircea_popescu: cazalla eh, i'd say let the noob be.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the particular telco's optical terminal chest comes with a battery. and lusers whine interminably that 'why do i have to replace this battery every year, i w4ntz fr3333 stuff'
asciilifeform: decimation: aha. there was a rat's nest of mangled copper when i got to it.
decimation: because they don't want to be held to 'common carrier' standards of common access and maintenance
decimation: I've heard that once verzion runs fiber to your premises, they typically take the time to rip out the old copper wire
asciilifeform: for what it's worth, i have the damned thing plugged into a monster 'liebert' doubleconverter along with the rest of the orchestra.
asciilifeform: decimation: aha because there was no battery on subscriber premises in the copper era. unless he owned one.
asciilifeform: the subscriber
decimation: right, but who replaces the inevitable dead battery?
decimation: did you ask him who had to pay for the backup UPS
asciilifeform: decimation: aha. the very same
asciilifeform: all the 'gr34t n3w d34lzz' were for buyers of tv & phone service.
asciilifeform has been at the console for too long, he thought
asciilifeform: (bios diddlers kept the piece in mid. east...)
asciilifeform: forgot, for a min, what the original question was
mircea_popescu: they're really thinking of something that was utopia pre and probably post osmanli.
mircea_popescu: whenever people like taleb think of peace in their homeland,
mircea_popescu: it prevented the middle east issues for well over 5 centuries.
asciilifeform: also expect to read volumes in the next few weeks in crapmedia re: the 'openssh backdoor'
assbot: Prez Obama snubs UK PM's tough anti-encryption crusade at White House meet • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/15lD4SF )
decimation: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/16/obama_and_cameron_cybersecurity_partnership/ < "The President acknowledged concerns that encryption technology may make intelligence-gathering efforts more difficult, saying, "If we get into a situation which the technologies do not allow us at all to track somebody we're confident is a terrorist … and despite knowing that information, despite having a phone number or a social-media address
decimation: asciilifeform: right, but it is amusing to look at the sudden panic over 'evil foreign erasure virus' when that's exactly what they have been working on (apparently)
decimation: actually the 'bios erasure' thing calls to mind this news story back in 2013
asciilifeform: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/new-snowden-docs-indicate-scope-of-nsa-preparations-for-cyber-battle-a-1013409.html << arguably the first genuinely interesting snowdenism. with actual crapware samples, protocol docs.
cazalla: ah, clearly i gots to learn the new assbot rules, been a little busy
assbot: <Rozal> h <Rozal> hi <Rozal> i hate people who abuse the rating system <Rozal - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yb2vBD )
cazalla: rate Rozal -3 threatened to rate me -10 because he doesn't understand how the WoT actually works, see http://pastebin.com/PABNbsex for conversation, offered to then pay me to remove the -1 earning him a -3
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'terrorism' article: where would you place osman empire on the 'law/terror' map?
undata: the spec intends assbots fingerprint is one param?
undata: mircea_popescu: ah right, two parameters makes sense; the article has one
undata: mircea_popescu: I get "No data" from the link in your spec article, and when I substitute my key's fingerprint
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, the notary blockchain stamping mechanism.
asciilifeform: if there isn't one - can forge.
asciilifeform: (crap all over father's posthumous good name by forging past xxxxx)
mircea_popescu: father generally does, for "son's own good".
asciilifeform: sure. but he does not give him the ability to retroactively emulate him
undata: asciilifeform: still seems father would sign a public statement granting his possessions to a son
mircea_popescu: what exactly is inheritance if not this, fundamentally, inheriting father's FIRM. ie, signature.