xanthyos: .0001 per player per entry, and with new players dropping in after the game already started it could have a cumulative prize pool
mircea_popescu: so you can just copy the code.
PeterL: There are placed like yahoo games, I don't know of any text-based games
mircea_popescu: something simple like playbot, i want to play chess with peterl. to which it responds "peterl are you playing with mircea_popescu ?" and then it looks for the moves, updates an inner state and keeps spitting out pngs of the board as links.
PeterL: could you make a version of monopoly which allows people to drop in after the game has started?
mircea_popescu: actually... should i put in a job for a games bot ? could start it with monopoly. it just keeps dropping pngs of the table after each player's roll
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story << Prolly related to post 0.8.x versions not keeping a full txindex by default. Have to set a flag for them to do it.
PeterL: xanthyos:i'd like to play monopoly with #b-a members if we could figure out a place to do the dice << scoopbot started as a bot to roll dice for me and my friend RPGing over IRC
mircea_popescu: "arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes" << there has to be more to this story.
Adlai: in go's defense... they have sane concurrency primitives, as opposed to pretty much everything else
mircea_popescu: undata: davout: probably go, the bot I'm working with is in go << i bet you had no idea just how popular golang is, eh asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: hey whose idea was it to prevent the network from relaying transactions outside of the context of blocks and was it really that good of an idea? << i think it's rudimentary spam control.
undata: mircea_popescu: I've got it adding keys and accepting valid signed messages, building out the bundle-and-stamp process
mircea_popescu: anyway, read the dude's 10 page long "comment policy", then read the comments on that article.
mircea_popescu: one is The requested URL /register.ph but the other is The requested URL /register.php
decimation: "Within 15 seconds, the jet had accelerated to more than 575 mph and was descending at a 70 degree angle. The pilot, while monitoring his visor-mounted display and doing his best to keep an eye on the other jet, had apparently lost track of his rate of descent."
decimation: "In one of the jets, a young pilot was flying his first training mission since becoming qualified to use a special helmet that projects key flight data - such as air speed, altitude, target range - onto his visor. The pilot, investigators learned later, hadn't gone through a recommended computer-based course before being cleared to fly with the visor-mounted display."
mircea_popescu: above in the log
mircea_popescu: o look, alf is now being read by the vcs :D
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
davout: the way i see this whole conundrum evolve is that eventually systemd will be renamed 'ubuntu'
undata: the bot comes with example services in python, but I'm prety "meh" on gevent as well
davout: i had all the easter eggs already done :D
undata: davout: probably go, the bot I'm working with is in go
ben_vulpes: getdata is used in response to inv, to retrieve the content of a specific object, and is usually sent after receiving an inv packet, after filtering known elements. It can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).
davout: undata: i wouldn't mind sharing the work i did so far, but you don't seem so keen on ruby
ben_vulpes: hey whose idea was it to prevent the network from relaying transactions outside of the context of blocks and was it really that good of an idea?
mircea_popescu: ok well, inasmuch undata is new and this isn't really very hard, let him do it then, gain some cred.
davout: i've poured 2~3 hours in it so far, so either way is fine with me
undata: sure, if there's a prefered party that's fine with me
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as there's really only going to be one, this may be counterproductive. you want it resolved ?
mircea_popescu: they had some noise makers too
mircea_popescu: (thing does a stereo *ping* in the direction in question)
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/open-the-gavin-assassinsen-memorial-mining-pool-implementation/
mircea_popescu: thermovisor is only useful at night, and only worn at night
asciilifeform: just as thermovisor is useful
mircea_popescu: well... then its existence is not where it'd be attacked.
mircea_popescu: you know ? just like the jet is not a self contained machine.
mircea_popescu: that only works if you have the network.
asciilifeform: actual high-res overlay for both eyes, with everything that would normally come in sans oculars plus the extra.
mircea_popescu: even as the jet fighter overlay thing.
asciilifeform: not the idiot google monocular.
asciilifeform: the 'doom'-playing privates, etc.
asciilifeform: you would if searching for the loud obnoxious american radio
mircea_popescu: out in the field, you much prefer seeing in visible.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the point was not about optical snooping, etc. mundane fact is that the number one application for svga ocular is really partizan infantry.
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2013 16:56:53; asciilifeform: 'what people want is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the
mircea_popescu: think about it the other way. a display is merely a display. it works on information. if the information is all in a box, then you're probably not a very good partizan. more of a hacker. "playing the harmonica" so to speak.
asciilifeform: [insert the ancient threads re: toy keyboards, etc.]
asciilifeform: mr mold has the saving grace of at least being a finite quantity.
mircea_popescu: because they own it ?
mircea_popescu: apparently they don't like that business model.
asciilifeform: same way the folks who make 8051 microcontrollers, etc. make money.
asciilifeform: not even entirely usg. none of the wealthy mega-army states really want inexpensive partizan-warfare aids on the shelf.
asciilifeform: (box was approx. the size of a deck of cards.)
asciilifeform: every year i go to my local university's tech exhibit. there is always this one greybeard who runs their si fab, and he has some old wafers, etc. he also has a 'look in this box and press red button.' inside: svga display with graphics demo. the stamp on the box is some time in the '90s.
asciilifeform: except that the 'magic' of a microdisplay is entirely one silicon die.
mircea_popescu: because it'd cost more than the fucking car.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the difference might simply be explained by price. so, if a car costs 20-30k and a supercar 200 to 300k, whereas a jet fighter 20 to 30 mn,
asciilifeform: 'heads-up' projects onto the glass. snore.
asciilifeform: but not the same!
asciilifeform: they were not, last i checked, sop in any russian machine.
mircea_popescu: they cost a shitton.
asciilifeform: (a variant for infantry was, last i heard, in the works, but mired in an f35-esque bureaucratic treacle)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are mostly, but not exclusively, issued to jet pilots
asciilifeform: incidentally, the security implications of a good head-worn computer display suggest that no such thing will be permitted to exist while usg has any say on the subject.
ben_vulpes: as in needing to switch between focusing on something in front of one and focusing on the screen?
ben_vulpes: don't the eyeglass lenses have a focus at infinity problem?
ben_vulpes: requires drawing on the retina to work properly imho.
mircea_popescu: which they tried.
ben_vulpes somewhat misses the stylexen
TheNewDeal: someone just gave me one of those pens with the electromagnetic tip that works with touchscreens, great for reducing fat-fingers
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 2613072.8741 USD and would take the last price up to 400.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 261.3073 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0116 seconds
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] if the fashion looks like it doesn't have the steam, backlash prevails. << i wonder if Apple has the steel to pull off their watch play.
ben_vulpes: oh goodie another thing to rewrite
TheNewDeal: Actually it looks like they're still contained under one parent company. IPO'd under "WWE" on the nyse
mircea_popescu: WWE, was previously known as the "World Wrestling Federation" or "WWF" from 1979 to 2002
ben_vulpes: words don't just *lose* their meaning mircea_popescu sheesh
ben_vulpes: barely through the first cup yet
TheNewDeal: or just the regular 1/sec/sec traveling pace
TheNewDeal: faster then normal?
ben_vulpes: winding up one's own mother's an acquired taste.
ben_vulpes: think i'll reserve the right to fuck with my mom's head for myself
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] ben_vulpes so why not bring mom here ? << well now she's full-bore communist. notrly good company for the asshats.
gribble: Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!~TheNewDea@unaffiliated/thenewdeal', is not identified.
TheNewDeal: ;;ident TheNewDeal
jurov: mircea_popescu: it's okay i forgot it's another account. derp :(
asciilifeform: but if it was in snowden's arse capsule, it is not 'new' in the usual sense of the word
asciilifeform: from the spiegel thing
asciilifeform: (or, not quite, but they want one. review of relevant maths, etc.)
ben_vulpes: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/18128/meet-sarutobi-the-flying-bitcoin-collecting-monkey/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BitcoinMagazine+%28Bitcoin+Magazine%29 << tee hee
mircea_popescu: discussion on the 16th logs.
TheNewDeal: So I aithed through gribble and then assbot is sending me some separate link when I try for !Up. Is it just like the gribble auth process?
Adlai: !up TheNewDeal
mircea_popescu: dude where would we be without bitcoin experts that built their expertise on ignorance!
mircea_popescu: ll fork the network to keep it. Eventually, the network will cease to have utility because it will be too small and then it will die. The three specific things that will ultimately kill Bitcoin are the limit on the number of coins, the lack of any kind of value anchor, and the absence of compulsory transaction fees. "
mircea_popescu: "Having said that, the main reason I've never heard of him is probably that I mostly ignore Bitcoin current affairs, because its design flaws will eventually kill it. The key ideas behind the technology are epoch-makingly brilliant, but the trouble with any distributed P2P system - the thing that kills most of them in the end - is that for any given design flaw, there are people who benefit from it, and those people wi
kakobrekla: for example that 100k usd fury rack was connected to the internet via 3 mobile phone connections back in the day.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 actually this would be a good datapoint to compute. find out the sum total of orphans to date. << noted. will see what I can come up with.
mircea_popescu: so what's the lp, gold ?
Adlai: "sure, there are people who still buy LPs, audiophiles dedicated to authentic sounds... but the US dollar is more like an 8-track tape"
mircea_popescu: mod6 actually this would be a good datapoint to compute. find out the sum total of orphans to date.
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mircea_popescu: mod6 but a) a block can no longer be an orphan once the block at the height it disputes has its coinbases spendable ; b) the sum total of orphans to date isn't, if memory serves, 8gb.
asciilifeform: 'Filipowski was the 1998 recipient of the Anti-Defamation League's Torch of Liberty Award, first for the Silicon Prairie (Chicago), for his support in fighting hate on the Internet.'
Adlai: it's rather refreshing to hear this guy say that most of teh previous talks (xapo et al) are a total waste of time and detrimental to bitcoin
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6: so we /might/ need to add something similar... but im not positive that this is actually the issue yet. << i don't see how concurrent chains would cause memory outages. << well, there is a container that holds these orphan blocks unchecked in v0.5.3. if this actually is related to the R.I. chewing through all its ram, perhaps a limit should be introduced.
Adlai: lol this guy's roadmap for bitcoin adoption: cannabis, gun dealers, and then "pilates instructors, masseuses, and anybody else who doesn't want to pay a single dollar to the IRS"
Adlai: it's a rather shitty process
Adlai: there shouldn't be any problem incorporating headers-first mitigation of that ddos vector
mircea_popescu: jurov: regardless of if it is the case, is it feasible ddos scenario to generate lots of orphans for old blocks? << yes.
mircea_popescu: mod6: so we /might/ need to add something similar... but im not positive that this is actually the issue yet. << i don't see how concurrent chains would cause memory outages.
Adlai: they're probably more likely to make a sale if they put up a sign saying they don't take bitcoin
Adlai: there's a real estate booth here, and a yacht booth. they have nothingc to do with bitcoin except accepting it as payment.
mircea_popescu: it all depends whether you're waspivorous or shitflyvorous
mircea_popescu: i can see the point anyway. the wasps are a compliment to the grapes and the flies to the dead donkey.
Adlai: he's just bouncing around on stage waxing euphoric about the rocketship
Adlai: this is from jeffrey tucker, the only speaker who hasn't used a slideshow
mircea_popescu: the balls are a complement to your cock ; the wow's you hear are compliments to your cock.
mircea_popescu: Adlai they meant compliment ?
pete_dushenski: the wmdcoin
Adlai: "the fact that it attracts so many scammers is a complement to bitcoin"
pete_dushenski: peeople expect the "you are rich, just click here to claim your winnings" shtick, but "you are poor" is just genius
mircea_popescu: adlai meets girl at party. she drags him to upstairs bedroom. they go at it. after a while, she's "adlai, this fucking sucks!" and he retorts calmly
Adlai: there's a booth at this conference, advertising for another conference. they're giving out free stress balls, those bouncy nerf foam tennisballsized things you can squeeze... over the course of the day, corners get filled up with these garbages
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : because somethingawful forums keeps driving people to trilema, i started a banner campaign there.
mircea_popescu: Adlai: he's still here, paybase/hashnest logo everywhere, giving out free polo shirts at their booth, kickoff party had a giant paybase logo on the side of the hotel << because "advertisin fixes everything" "we're creating awareness".
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski of course, they might not like you anymore.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: TomServo: care to play monopoly? we can use our own boards and everyone gets to be the car << i always play the hat!
pete_dushenski: or it makes them, in which case you now have your retirement plan sorted
pete_dushenski: little bit of stress does the system wonders
pete_dushenski: basically, throwing children into the fire is +ev
mircea_popescu: kinda why it's the job of parents to send the popular girl to live naked with the pigs for a summer , and respectively force the acne boy to dance naked in gay bars the same summer.
mircea_popescu: there's this ancient observation that bright young lads do not "choose their field of research", they merely go with the first direction where they happen to have some success.
pete_dushenski: jobs asked zero people how many fucks they gave
mircea_popescu: all it takes there is one. one jobs for everyone from samsung to chinaxxx to make ipads
mircea_popescu: yea actuall this can be the 30-90% rule.
mircea_popescu: consider how it works. take an island of 100 people, of which 5 boys and 6 girls under 30, 10 boys and 11 girls under 40. now, one day the fashion is for girls to wear clothes with a hole over left nipple, so it's always exposed.
pete_dushenski: but the knock-off market, like that for lv purses, should fill that demand
asciilifeform: there was a fairly detailed discussion here in #b-a re: why ocular displays which don't suck have been costing the same 100k usd since 1985.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski because they suck.
mircea_popescu: which is why the notion that social discussion is argument driven is just so much rubbish. which is why conde nast wants reddit and the new york times moved to publishing pics and tweets.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, backlash doesn't.
pete_dushenski: adlai pretty sure there's ways to grab text and submit for bashage ;)
asciilifeform doesn't get the whole 'glasshole' meme. carrying a pNohe everywhere, with its two or three cameras pointed every-which-way, is somehow perfectly civilized; but wearing a threadbare camera on your head, not ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: shoot a bullet hole through mirror, take your pic, title the result "glasshole through looking glass with hole"
Adlai: all you need's a mirror neh ? << but then your selfie immortalizes you a glasshole
mircea_popescu: *: Adlai actually got to use it once, since it's useless for selfies, which the glasshole required << all you need's a mirror neh ?
mircea_popescu: to use the "on terrorism" apparatus, obviously a state can try to support itself on both process of law and terrorism. some, like stalin's , actually succeeded. it's dubious one can succeed without a stalin to o it tho. i dun see bureaucrats were ever born able to pull it off.
mircea_popescu: and if you recall, i'm actually against "free drugs". but that doesn't change they don't have much of a logical standpoint.
mircea_popescu: sgornick tbh, it's kind of how it goes, that various social media heads put up on whatever social media thing bits and pieces of what they've read in year-old logs here.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony there's a lot of challenges to the quaint notions of what the state has the authority to do to be brought through deploying the much more widely avaialble powers of math. situation somewhat similar to, while currently a government may claim for itself the right to legislate as to the albedo of undiscovered stars, once they're discovered that's gone.
assbot: Maybe the blockchain could be the basis of a global "web of trust" and that could be an hugely big deal. https://t.co/jaQC4zLSuT
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so basically when breaking the law, just claim that it's "art" << you will notice that they merely bought random items. this illustrates the solid point that the notion that buying items can be made illegal implies buying itself was made illegal, through this randomness device.
mircea_popescu: On the morning of January 12, the day after the three-month exhibition was closed, the public prosecutor's office of St. Gallen seized and sealed our work. It seems, the purpose of the confiscation is to impede an endangerment of third parties through the drugs exhibited by destroying them. This is what we know at present. We believe that the confiscation is an unjustified intervention into freedom of art.
mircea_popescu: ms has not become a different beast. what used to be foss has decayed to the level one can't distinguish it from microsoft anymore.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: what are you running, windows on ferrari? << bwahahaha these two. should be cuffed together, endrunkened to 115% and dropped on a sound stage.
mod6: so there was a check in 0.5.3 that requires checkpoints for this, which i removed in the rm_checkpoints patch
jurov: regardless of if it is the case, is it feasible ddos scenario to generate lots of orphans for old blocks?
mod6: i added some debug code to main.cpp and am now syncing the chain, seeing how many orphans are in the map, every time it finds an orphanblock in ProcessBlock
jurov: if they didn't chase the performance and went with real database, one'd just create another table for orphans
mod6: so we /might/ need to add something similar... but im not positive that this is actually the issue yet.
mod6: im looking into these mapOrphanBlocks data structures as they basically go unchecked for size in 0.5.3.
mod6: anyway, im looking at this stuff way up in 0.9.0 because im still trying to get a read on why when you sync the blockchain from genesis to current the R.I. chews through all of its memory until it causes a SIGKILL from out of memory.
assbot: Limit the number of orphan blocks · bbde1e9 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1sRe7sR )
mod6: what's the benifit here?
mod6: any idea why one would want to remove Orphans from the map randomly instead of consecutively?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TomServo: xanthyos: Perhaps another time
Adlai likes the idea of a conference where pitching is forbidden by default
Adlai: so, while i'd love to write some english words, my time over the past two days has been spent speaking words and writing code, and today will likely be no different
Adlai: actually i didn't see him at the conference itself yesterday, but his goons from the kickoff party were hanging around, so i'm guessing he was there too
Adlai: he's still here, paybase/hashnest logo everywhere, giving out free polo shirts at their booth, kickoff party had a giant paybase logo on the side of the hotel
xanthyos: once your reptutation is that of a scammer the only way to continue scamming is not to scam and in doing so defy expectations; that being the scam.
xanthyos: TomServo: care to play monopoly? we can use our own boards and everyone gets to be the car
xanthyos: i'd like to play monopoly with #b-a members if we could figure out a place to do the dice
BingoBoingo: It might take a day or two for people interested asking questions to get to this part of the conversation.
Zarathul: but it seems Sunday is not the most active time around this channel :)
Zarathul: I was wondering what the community thinks about crypto games with Bitcoin withdrawal and playing for crypto assets. and if they would play TakeOver
kakobrekla: myea the 1 wheel car design also doesnt have problems until on road.
Zarathul: so, there must be some game design workaround
Zarathul: in the next major update, the yellow coins will be Satoshis, and the hexes will be crypto assets
Zarathul: http://takeover.to/ currently Open Alpha, there's no sign of crypto economy yet, testing pure gameplay
Zarathul: yes, I've read the threads
kakobrekla: and while he isnt here, you can get registered in the wot or something
kakobrekla has nfi what are they doing
Zarathul: this is the game
Zarathul: yes, we're familiar with what they're doing. I'm not sure we'll go too much in the sandbox direction
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kakobrekla: hey there
Zarathul: and we're working on making the in-game assets become crypto-assets
Zarathul: hi everyone, BingoBoingo thanks for the voice
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2015 11:38:55; fluffypony: oh and Google finally killed off Glass (although I don't suspect they'll stop the research into wearables)
Adlai actually got to use it once, since it's useless for selfies, which the glasshole required >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2015#982035
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fluffypony: oh and Google finally killed off Glass (although I don't suspect they'll stop the research into wearables)
fluffypony: yeah I'm talking about the artist's reaction - "We believe that the confiscation is an unjustified intervention into freedom of art."
punkman: “The police were there specifically because of the ecstasy. For us, it is important that no one be able to get their hands on it.”
fluffypony: so basically when breaking the law, just claim that it's "art"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Microsoft snubs Codeplex, moves big projects to GitHub • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ugd1lP )
fluffypony: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/15/codeplex_repository_out_of_favour_as_microsoft_moves_major_projects_to_github/
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