mircea_popescu: but for the sake of argument, explain to me how exactly is this any less than some derpy cartoonists being shot by some random idiots ?
ben_vulpes: yeah i think i'm going to hold off on moving to argentina until the next round of food riots clear out.
mircea_popescu: clearly the population is not naturally represented in this process.
mircea_popescu: and then simple political murder, of the most shameless sort, fails to stir three dudes.
mircea_popescu: you can't get me to seriously think that some intricate point of policy yields 500 people holding signs in the street,
ben_vulpes: so they're *all* bogus?
ben_vulpes: you might consider using the patch names as a handle
ben_vulpes: jurov: how about you hold off on publishing the patched set for now.
jurov: was there any idea how to refer to patched releases? i need some handle under which to publish them in lxr
mircea_popescu: but tell you what, da got assassinated by president (there's absolutely no doubt cristina kirschener ordered it, and it was an assassinate) and... no manifestation.,
jurov: ben_vulpes ahh it's the ersatz hosting
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, it's clarified some things for me. i live within blocks of the center of all "manifestations" "public meetings" and so forth. there's on average two a week of these. they're not all political, but the political ones seemed quite suspect to me
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: (and this is the author's tit : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Madame_de_Genlis_by_Lemoine.jpg in the good tradition that a woman must show her breasts ifshe wants to be taken seriously).
mircea_popescu: (yes the fan convention existed)
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-board-of-indirectors/
mircea_popescu: only real difference being the idiots don't have sense enough to chicken out right before the jump
mircea_popescu: hard to tell, the one thing cowards and idiots have in common is that both talk the tough talk all the way through.
asciilifeform: soon we find out whether the button given to the usg shill is actually wired to anything ?
mircea_popescu: it's funny what vanity does to people. is he actually blind to how his entire position reduces to "i wish to be relevant, damn the world" ? neat.
mircea_popescu: so wait, "you must accept MY altchain because otherwise you get a CHOICE of alt chains" ? this is the gavin pro-fork argument ?
thestringpuller: that's the tl;dr of it
joecool: that are stored separate from the original WoT db?
joecool: thestringpuller: so does this bot support ratings as well?
thestringpuller: so there are now 2 wot's
joecool: thestringpuller: probably for the best, is the db still centralized to the WoT or is it a new system?
thestringpuller: joecool: kakobrekla upgraded the bot
joecool: o you guys upgraded the bot
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BingoBoingo: undata: Nah, just some group forked it and is hosting the thing on google code
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ben_vulpes: what's the opposite of a fixed asset?
jurov: i gathered velocity of world money is somewhere around 1-2 yearly.. and yes, such velocity means 50-100k BTC/day
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsea2tJlIm1qcjzz2o1_500.jpg << intelligent, educated young woman doing expert work. in sheer contrast to the idiots quoted above, who suck.
mircea_popescu: "when divorce occurence in a population increases by 10%, the per-capita dependent children figure goes up by 10%. when 12%, 12%. clearly, divorce causes fertility."
mircea_popescu: academics in the scholarly academic topic of correlation is causation.
mircea_popescu: If a city had increased its road capacity by 10 percent between 1980 and 1990, then the amount of driving in that city went up by 10 percent. If the amount of roads in the same city then went up by 11 percent between 1990 and 2000, the total number of miles driven also went up by 11 percent. Its like the two figures were moving in perfect lockstep, changing at the same exact rate."
mircea_popescu: We found that theres this perfect one-to-one relationship, said Turner.
mircea_popescu: "to take a closer look at the problem. In 2009, two economistsMatthew Turner of the University of Toronto and Gilles Duranton of the University of Pennsylvaniadecided to compare the amount of new roads and highways built in different U.S. cities between 1980 and 2000, and the total number of miles driven in those cities over the same period.
mircea_popescu: a decade or two of that should put the country on pretty decent footing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't clean it, i'd just host impalement orgies for kidnapped daughters of the "elite" doing whatever women's studies bullshit in college.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the definition of an expert is, fundamentally, "one whose judgements are not based on his own circumstance".
mircea_popescu: but somehow it's not now the case that *I* should waltz in washington and buy the monument for a few bitcents.
asciilifeform: 'financial discipline' was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s << it meant, simply, 'privatization' by usg shills.
thestringpuller: then you start operating on cheat codes
mircea_popescu: but somehow it's NOT what the us has to do, once the us turned into a cold war ghetto.
mircea_popescu: eerilie reminiscent of how "financial discipline" was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice the very convenient "uilding Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse" just on the tail end of two decades of "we can't actually afford to build anything anymore" and as "we can't really even maintain what we got" sets in.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in real life, the jams begin immediately after the road is widened. because impedence mismatch, elementary. nothing to do with the population around the road, on that timescale.
thestringpuller: So you upgrade the roads
mircea_popescu: i would suspect once we've beheaed gavin for things to proceed apace and by 2020 or so to have a more reasonable 50 to 100k move daily, of which that 1% is then maybe 50 btc a day.
jurov: i dunno if it's possible for the volume to be magnitudes more
mircea_popescu: is not the be all-end all to judge things on.
mircea_popescu: jurov the current situationb isn
mircea_popescu: currently tx fees are in the range of 0.000000001% to 0.001%. they will increase, yes. degrees of magnitude, yes. past 1% as an average is unlikely, because alternatives will become lucrative enough. such as you know, people would stop "tipping" etc.
mircea_popescu: well just don't make it scale down bvy the same formula
mircea_popescu: jurov make an actual model and i can show you numerically how feasible it is. or otherwise, estimatively, it'd cost about 1 btc to make the blocks any arbitrary size.
jurov: and you wouldn't be able to spend the 1k again in 100 blocks
jurov: *them
jurov: mircea_popescu: you would be able to do it only every 100 blocks and since you wouldn't then use external tx fees, rather unprofitable
BingoBoingo: I mean someone is going to have to vouch you aren't a shithead to get an apprenticeship
mircea_popescu: "fifty eight men join plumbing school as the notion they will ever be hired to do anything with computers is laughable"
mircea_popescu: "The app hacker quietly reported the holes to Verizon which issued a fix Friday, two days after it was disclosed, and rewarded Westergren with a year's worth of free internet." << heh, bad deal.
mircea_popescu: block i publish. the tx however, i don't broadcast.
jurov: what would you gain? to count you'd have to publish the block anyway so that it isn't orphaned
mircea_popescu: "XDA senior software developer Randy Westergren said the FiOS API flaw since fixed allowed any account to be accessed by manipulating user identification numbers in web requests." shit sherlock.
assbot: Verizon sprints to crush FiOS account exposure hole • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqLzwu )
Apocalyptic: jurov, well reddit wants moon, I guess they got it
jurov: in past i was arguing in favor of increasing the limit, too.. but no such madness
mircea_popescu: jurov no, not really. just in the parallel universe where usg matters.
ben_vulpes: apple pay's going to try to gobble all the banks, so if my bank's truthful about it being apple's fault, i'll just end up with the same problem.
ben_vulpes: well hey here's another fun thing
undata: they'll improve it by proposing chip-in-hand
mircea_popescu: the hard problem of back-ups for people who don't crypto.
mircea_popescu: because people were so petrified they might lose a set.
mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly, it includes their mugs. unsurprisingly, anyone ever involved ended up with copies,
mircea_popescu: pron thing, the usians came up with this idiotic law that you must make so and so footage of models.
mircea_popescu: does this mean i can log into all the girl's accounts now ?
thestringpuller: fingerprint scanners are the same thing
nubbins`: so i lost my username and password for the CRA website (canadian IRS)
ben_vulpes: anyways i tried to do the responsible disclosure thing
ben_vulpes: bank claims that this feature is being crammed down their throats by apple for apple pay
ben_vulpes: i recorded a video of my face on biz_partners phone, and played it for the facial recognition shit
mircea_popescu: nubbins` maybe help the idiot kids make a proper gpg contract? that shit's a sore eye by now
nubbins`: i was gonna try selling some of our bird books on the forum, but i guess i'll probably let things cool off for a bit
hanbot: haha nubbins`, enjoyed reading you on the warpath
thestringpuller: USGavin is trustworthy and honest, and the hero bitcoin deserves and needs!!!!!111
thestringpuller: Didn't he say to you, "No one is saying make the block size infinite"
nubbins`: the bulk of my clients
mircea_popescu: "This accusation was started a few hours ago, the bulk of my clients have not even logged in since this who parade of nonsense started." sounds like the social media artisan :D
nubbins`: content to just let it fester now, with the occasional jab to keep the bees from settling too much
mircea_popescu: anwyay, that thread is exactly what one'd expect : everyone with even half a clue, all the way to smoothie saw the same thing i saw. we're not like experts or anything.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, hand carving mostly consists of doing "the edges" specifically because laser chased them off the flat surface.
fluffypony: "GAW should be evaluating this SEC investigation troll to see if the conditions are right for a libel suit against the people behind it. A retainer on a case like this would be in the vicinity of $50k - $100k and costs could run to $250k - $500k by the time its done. If such a case is to proceed it will take a minimum of two years, but an injunction against any further disparagement should be sought at once."
mircea_popescu: but hey, it did get the lulz flowing.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the DESIGN is unique. except for the part where this old woman whose daughter i used to fuck on occasion had a plastic tablecloth in the same color and pattern.
kakobrekla: well its 17.950 for the wood, 49 shipping and 1 dorra lazering
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, in america, the flat i moved out of last may
mircea_popescu: let's not dispute the actual facts in contention but instead spew a ton of emotional bs. that's the way!
mircea_popescu: "AND EVEN, if this pieces were carved by a laser... I would still love them and they would still be unique." win.
nubbins`: you can tell it's legit because it's almost the same username as the guy who originally commissioned the piece, then vanished without a trace
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla for a moment there i had a vision of a tiny dog pack coursing for mice over a tiny field.
kakobrekla: yes, should be more specific, they are trapped
nubbins`: i don't think he realizes you can silkscreen on things other than t-shirts
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> iirc the romans grew these in jars, fattened, served up << Basically equivalent to American fascination with chicken wings. Eat all of them before going to the Vomitorium.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aren't they trapped ? actually hunted instead ?!
mircea_popescu: "You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing. In that case, i am also an ARTISAN dishwasher, well when my wife is mad anyways. Oh and an Artisan snow shoveler as i have decades of experience with that too. I mean, as long as we are making up names for professions." << you're screwed nubbins`. you know how many times ima link to this ? do you ? DO YOU ? :D
kakobrekla: the fat? for skin issues and such
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> -dormouse-. hibernates, edible. < not a big fan but their fat is traditionally used for a buncha medical stuff
mircea_popescu: "^ This is a wood lathe, this is how i take square things and make them round." lmao that thread's so adorable.
undata: ahoy! I'll probably have a prototype working on testnet this evening or the next
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2015 21:55:19; mircea_popescu: ok well, inasmuch undata is new and this isn't really very hard, let him do it then, gain some cred.
STRML: Not much I can do about that. I can get our CEO on here at some point in the near future
mircea_popescu: except we trust newcomers all the time.
mircea_popescu: but the usual "hey i made a company which is a website which makes claims which are either trivially falsified or not provable because reasons", well...
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: bitcoin has no price signal << MP ain't opening the studio up until this is fixed
mircea_popescu: if the solution is actually good that gets you a spot.
mircea_popescu: which is why i said "depends to what". if you come in and say "hi guise, remember that problem with the derivatives ? check out this solution i figured out!!!"
BingoBoingo: STRML: Who do you think put the MP in MPEx
STRML: My partners are much more tuned into finance and the Bitcoin scene than I am, I handle the web aspects of the service
mircea_popescu: "The retaliation has been terrifying." << no, it hasn't.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Seems to be an especially strong week for drama. I anticipate Moon.
mircea_popescu: "Last Thursday, I criticized the Linux community for continuing to support and center a leader with a years-long, documented history of unrepentant abusive behavior, someone who has actively and systematically nurtured a hostile, homogeneous technical community, and someone who has long actively chased people from marginalized groups out of open source."
asciilifeform: a little bit of laser, yes. anyone who has so much as tried a laser cutter will recognize the result in the photo.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` (btw, asciilifeforms been doing a ton of plastic and other matter cutting with an actual laser for cardano project, so... expert testimony)
STRML: thestringpuller: Hah you're not wrong at all
thestringpuller: STRML: Is this channel usually so hostile? << You're asking to put your arm into the woodchipper and we're telling you its not going to be fun if you do.
kakobrekla: cause the lasers dont come out of his eyes
asciilifeform: would someone like to explain why the wood art fellow insists he does not use a laser? (he has photos of lathe, chisel, etc. but those are clearly necessary to forming the basic contours prior to lasering. so no surprise. but why does he deny the use of the laser?)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yeah im with kako, they seem to stick to him somehow.
nubbins`: he's, uh, coming up with it in the next few days.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's the video proof ?
mircea_popescu: no, that it doesn't. my suspicion is, as far as i'm personally concerned, grounded mostly in the fact that you had no idea that, for instance, mpoe covered ~30k btc worth of derivative losses without "sociualising". this in 2013.
kakobrekla: one of the rare ones still working.
kakobrekla: no, he is the perfect scam magnet
assbot: Nubbins is the type of Plague that destroys this community (video proof thread) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSjMuq )
STRML: But I am happy to enter the WoT
mircea_popescu: STRML no, not my word. my word means plenty. your word means little, but for very good reason : 1) you're not in the wot and b) you've not do your reading.
STRML: Of course your word means little in the Bitcoin space
STRML: And we're the only derivs exchange that doesn't do socialized losses. It takes a far different approach to guarantee something like that
mircea_popescu: STRML do you understand the space between a claim and a fact ? anyone can say that. in fact, people tend to. this doesn't correlate with anything substantial.
assbot: Neo & Bee: the first genuine alternative to traditional banking ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGDKPW )
STRML: I believe we're a breath of fresh air in the derivatives space, which is dominated by players who barely understand derivatives to begin with
STRML: We are nothing but open about what we do and how we do it, with the exception of that cofounder's name
mircea_popescu: so Jeong threw some money , which is what he does, a sicrit expert wrote "the engine" and an eager black guy class of 2008 wants to play the danny brewster.
Adlai: ah yes, the fabled noncompete
STRML: The only reason he is as of yet unnamed is because he is still employed
thestringpuller: makes it easier to take the money and run
STRML: I understand, the majority of our experience is in our engine author who wishes to remain unnamed
mircea_popescu: "Arthur Hayes obtained his BA in Economics at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania in 2008. "
thestringpuller: Everyone thinks bitcoin is ready for options again cause they know how to write JS
mircea_popescu: ah, i clicked the about but nothing happened. js issue i guess.
mircea_popescu: "BitMEX is the first centrally cleared derivatives exchange. " << the first it certainly isn't.
mircea_popescu: STRML so who is the serious traders that built it ?
STRML: We are a derivatives exchange for investors and speculators who are serious about the products they trade. I could give you the whole pitch but I don't want to spam the channel :)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not by heart, but yes, you can probably buy a girl in the shadier part of town for less.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not much need for that to be a rumour. obviousness is obvious, i dun think anyone doesn't know they are.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: rumor is they've been seeking more funding. dunno if they'll announce another round soon or not.
mircea_popescu: expensive as all shit, the 1/26 1/32 stuff
nubbins`: too bad he shows me the 3/4" ones instead
nubbins`: i got drawn in by his insistence on obfuscating the fact
STRML: Great, I'll check the docs
mircea_popescu: you register your key with assbot, aquire some trust and then can self-voice.
mircea_popescu: i know i sort-of considered having something done when he was first brought up but dropped after actually looking at w/e it was at the tgime.
mircea_popescu: the last master carver to have made 3k an hour was known by his moustache.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. It's just amazing how shitware isn't limited to the stuff that Stan blawgs about.
Adlai: good thing bitfinex doesn't trade stocks and there's no such thing as insider forex trading
BingoBoingo: Well somewhere I think someone brought up a govt agent suspecting Fatty was also Thermos
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Wait so Mark did the Gox, Silk Road, GLBSE, and Bitcointalk scams? <<< the explanation is quite pedestrian. there's a bunch of fuctards who imagine they're "the coimmunity" notwithstanding they have no money and no political importance. because hey, they FEEL like they should matter. these derps ineffectually tried to prop up mtgox. they failed, but they don't wish to confront the why there, so instead the
BingoBoingo: Well of course. They probably don't have a giant folder with the whole SEC file. I wouldn't put it past them to have a friend who happens to be a government secretary somewhere.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Looks like qntra got scooped on this. << of course there's also the possibility they made it up. not the 1st time.
BingoBoingo: I mean with the plantation slaves... I mean University Student Athletes... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932265/
BingoBoingo: Well Coinbase got financing. BitPay because of the publicity stunt gets belt tightening.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla of course my only takeaway is that the price is doing pretty well at strangling coinbase. lucky them that they managed a refinance. curious if bitpay announces anything soon.
thestringpuller: random: is there a reason "crowd source" projects usually are of mediocre quality?
mircea_popescu: (Oh, and journalctl goes out of its way to set up this behavior. Not by passing command line arguments to less, because that would be too obvious (you might spot it in a ps listing, for example); instead it mangles $LESS to effectively add the '-S' option, among other things.)
mircea_popescu: "The merely bad experience is that as a result of this I had occasion to use journalctl (I normally don't). More specifically, I had occasion to use 'journalctl -l', because of course if you're going to make a bug report you want to give full messages. Unfortunately, 'journalctl -l does not actually show you the full message."
mircea_popescu: The merely bad experience is that as a result of this I had occasion to use journalctl (I normally don't). More specifically, I had occasion to use 'journalctl -l', because of course if you're going to make a bug report you want to give full messages. Unfortunately, 'journalctl -l does not actually show you the full message.
mircea_popescu: "Attempts to log in or to su to root from an existing login either fail or hang."
mircea_popescu: "The slightly good news is that PID 1 segfaulting does not reboot the machine on the spot. "
mircea_popescu: to the grief of women actually involved with computers. whoi aren't a market for the niggers, because they're smart and few, which makes it too expensive.
mircea_popescu: just like nobody is calling retarded journalist cunts "core developers" on the basis of their merging gender changes to pronouns in documentation on github.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, it's about two degrees of magnitude harder to find passible shooters than it is to find passible language-of-the-week coders.
mircea_popescu: the argument is about as retarded as saying that "one real warrior can be more valuable than" bla bla. sure, the guy who puts up the flag can be misrepresented so and so.
Adlai: it was hilarious at the time, being a "real warrior" myself, but siding with the "cyber warrior" camp :D
Adlai: some highup officer says that a single cyber warrior can be more valuable to the country than hundreds [of thousands] of regular warriors
Adlai: lol this reminds me of the whole shitshow in the idf where "real warriors" got all tussled about the cyber command calling its hackers "cyber warriors"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's seriously looks like where the system is headed.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty soon the jury will have to deliberate on the exclusive basis of one sheet of paper on which the words "The People consider the defendant guilty" are written
BingoBoingo: Next they come for the Roth IRAs http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/19/lets-pay-for-free-community-college-by-t
nubbins`: actually, scratch that. pm me details about this work of yours when you've got money in-hand and a design ready to go. there's really no need to update me before that point :P
nubbins`: thestringpuller pm me details about this work of yours
mircea_popescu: strangely, he also seems unaware of teh obama charlie hebdo blunder. i dunno when the us was as politically isolated in its past 1848 history as the time when everyone was in paris except obama. putin was there for chrissakes.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, i'd love to see the math by which russia produces oil at a profit when it's $25 a barrel.
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the definition of bias. "agreeing with others in the parts where they agree with you."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re orlov : my very biased opinion is that "look, a collection of interesting facts and assorted insanities. the facts i recall reading coupla weeks ago in trilema."
mircea_popescu: "And without a functioning industrial economy crude oil would be reclassified as toxic waste. But that is still two or three decades off in the future."
BingoBoingo: Really is, nobody "scam hunters" getting pissed that the scammer they like is getting shat on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << btw saw the saudi prince interview where he admits they're best buds with putin now ?
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
thestringpuller: soul music. RIP detroit the motor city
mircea_popescu: bah, so im writing an article. put down the first paragraph, 800 words worth of notes.
nubbins`: "If he have a more powerful laser he could have cut the edge more nicely."
davout: is there a particular reason?
BingoBoingo: davout: Assbot always kicked people who !down themselves
midnightmagic: punkman: hey man, ease up on the links in here k
fluffypony: the new-new rating system
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punkman: "Virtex.com Chart is FAKE,it manipulated by Scammer,name is TADAS KASPUTIS,he also the owner of EGOPAY,
BingoBoingo: OMG Karpeles was the government plant all along
BingoBoingo: Wait so Mark did the Gox, Silk Road, GLBSE, and Bitcointalk scams?