assbot: Logged on 22-01-2015 20:46:00; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on 'how to turn commercially available router into btc full node' << the gadget i mentioned earlier, plus process, only need a larger - 64G+ - usb drive, to make this go. but i did not publish instructions, because did not think anyone wanted this.
BingoBoingo: undata: Wait until they demand the new reference bitcoin client and gossipd build on windows
undata: http://blogs.blackberry.com/2015/01/blackberry-net-neutrality/ << bb having been beaten to a pulp, demands the state level the playing field
ben_vulpes: <davout> [] https://twitter.com/OtaK_/status/558321238230462464 <<< this replace-pronouns twitter butthurt flow seems to be attracting a whole new level of stupid << i don't get the 140 character
ben_vulpes: it's like one of those "so bad its good" things but it's more like "so pissed at computers i've now got ptsd and 'shall we over the trenches for fun tonight fellas?'"
ben_vulpes: i'm cut all the way over to gleeful wanton murder today
ben_vulpes: <jurov> don't copy that stuff here then. can cause murderous rage for mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and others << my murderous rage reservoir is depleted
cazalla: jurov, lovin' it although they changed it to lovin' beats hatin' apparently http://blogs.wsj.com/cmo/2014/10/27/mcdonalds-preps-new-ad-push-trip-to-super-bowl-sources/
mircea_popescu: lobbes: I'm glad I discovered this place, man. Otherwise I would have been led off the cliff a long time ago << yer welcome.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: if a tree falls in the woods, and nobody important was there to write about it, did it make a sound? << yes. after the beep, hear the sound it made.
jurov: or what was the mcd's slogan?
mircea_popescu: *: danielpbarron seriously doubts it will be on freenode in 20 years, or if there will even be a freenode << as far as freenode is concenred, i am agreed. however, b-a is 4ever!
jurov: let's call them honey badgers
mircea_popescu: cazalla so basically this is the o'reilly flavour of astroturfed "bitcoin experts" ?
cazalla: bitcoinpresscenter.org was andreas derps response after he was denied a listing on some other bitcoin site from memory
mircea_popescu: methinks we see a jailed & pardoned marquardt show up here to "talk business" within the year.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Bitcoin Forum Bitcointalk is Down due to Disk Failure - Data Lost << bs. he got served, panicked and deleted the data.
kakobrekla: Kristov is the author of "Anonymous Bitcoin: How to Keep Your ฿ All to Yourself," available for sale at http://anonymousbitcoinbook.com.
mircea_popescu: but seriously : so the people too dumb to participate in the actual bitcoin discussion, here, eitehr because they can't get an irc client going or because they can't gpg or whatever, because their windows doesn't come with a "b-a button", sit somewhere and derp.
mircea_popescu: jurov: don't copy that stuff here then. can cause murderous rage for mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and others << j knows.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i think i just blown my retard-o-meter << who's "kristo atlas" again ? not the actual atlas ?!
mircea_popescu: this shit's fascinating. davout's article ? 2 comments. reddit pseudo-discussion of the topic ? >100 comments.
mircea_popescu: backup plans never hurt. once they go "well wtf we do nao, we don't want to lose your $xxxx" i just go "use this" and end of story.
mircea_popescu: 's our token black guy. cazalla is the token ozian.
mircea_popescu: davout: thestringpuller: you're australian amirite? << no, he
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol who the fuck is badbitcoin.org
asciilifeform: jurov: to pose the question of 'hardware diddlery' for a machine in one's kitchen, can be called superstition; to pose the same question re: xxx thousand physically identical bitcoin nodes airdropped over enemy country, is stark rationality.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i was sorta assuming that mircea was posing the problem of whether a node could be optimized for 1) minimal cost 2) physical compactness in that order, perhaps to be airdropped behind enemy lines
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: those ARM servers that got in france, more than qualified to run this << what do they cost? iirc mircea was asking for a dirt-cheap gadget
jurov: another murderous rage victim?
kakobrekla: idk mebbe the new models
kakobrekla: but yes for reliability. even if rpi wold be strong enough (hey he didnt say no to arm, though he prolly ment it) it wouldnt cut as the thing is fragile.
jurov: oh btw don't they have remote management like iLO? i'm not so superstitious like asciilifeform, but do avoid that, too
kakobrekla: by default they come with 4 or 8 i think
kakobrekla: 16gig for the microserver
jurov: dunno all these are only meagerly equipped with memory
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ideal candidate for an instant pocket-sized ~100 usd (largely cost of eeprom) node - miniature 'nas' devices. there are at least half a dozen manufacturers. not hard to do.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: His lawyer's hand was already force into admitting he started it and was the bag holder. Right now the fight is to shave off charges and years in jail while setting up traps to get it overturned on appeal.
midnightmagic: ehh.. the testimoney of a friend. what's that worth
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I'm thinking you set up the normal carved while you wait booth at the mall or carnival or whatever with your laser, but you plug in a joystick and a trackball to make it seem like you are piloting the laser manually.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You know what would be an interesting twist of the laser carved scam?
nubbins`: because of the illegal wood importation
nubbins`: i think u.s. customs ordered them to take it offline
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on 'how to turn commercially available router into btc full node' << the gadget i mentioned earlier, plus process, only need a larger - 64G+ - usb drive, to make this go. but i did not publish instructions, because did not think anyone wanted this.
mircea_popescu: I USE ALL THE TANGENTS
mod6 was on another tangent
fluffypony: wireless ALL of the things!
fluffypony: who even uses the holes, I use teh wifiez
mircea_popescu: because there should be more holes being provisioned.
mircea_popescu: you know if you use all the holes it means you got poor management
kakobrekla: i use all the holes
mircea_popescu: because practically everyone has 4 hole router at home of which 2-3 holes are used. so get that plugged into the 4th and there we go, node problem fixed.
mircea_popescu: stuff like "desolder the 512mb card, replace with 128gb card" and "get kernel so and so in there" would be all fine.
mircea_popescu: the one guy i knew that was best at it used to be a war photoreporter before.
mod6: now, there's a stress-free job. go around taking photos of those girls.
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/c88fee11721145ae9fdb55d14a3e4d16/tumblr_ng3qxdgkxe1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg there you go mod6, moar outsdoor like, for you.
STRML: I guess I live in the wrong city
kakobrekla: just the timing was off apparently.
kakobrekla: i been there i think.
mircea_popescu: an since there's two of you, http://36.media.tumblr.com/508f2365dc83e5147af096c30e0bd912/tumblr_ng3tnb7XDz1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg
fluffypony: STRML: that's because it's interpreting the \n as a line break
mircea_popescu: gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. ius the very helpful error i get.
STRML: there were some pretty serious bugs in some of the earlier 2.0.x versions, perhaps that is the issue
mircea_popescu: https://safeorscam.com/karma << so is that pgp key block on the bottom of the page broken universally, or just MacGPG2 v2.0.17 decided to fork gnupg and not tell anyone ?
mircea_popescu: "Scientists have found that the 'cowgirl' position is responsible for half of all penile fractures during sexual intercourse"
Naphex: maybe he used SSD's without the controller having TRIM support :))
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller something like that, 23, 24
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: theymos is 24? Fuck I'm getting old.
Naphex: had to replace the whole array
Naphex: mircea_popescu: was using HP Proliants for a while, had one that the whole 8x raid array just barked, as soon as i replaced 1 hdd, the other would fail
mircea_popescu: fluffypony because he is a 24 yo derp exactly like any 24 yo derp you could get by sending a naked 23 yo hottie parading down the street.
mircea_popescu: Naphex i recently passed the 1k physical hdds lifetime award. and seen it exactly once.
fluffypony: it still boggles my mind that with all the donation money he can't afford to pay a part-time sysadmin to get them setup properly
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2015#988045 << the trick is to kick it before you hit rock bottom, otherwise you keep saying, "oh, i haven't found the bottom yet, better seek onwards"
mircea_popescu: i have seen cases where they do not./
mircea_popescu: they may.
fluffypony: he truly is the prophet of this generation
fluffypony: HE FORESAW THE VALUE COLLAPSE
mircea_popescu: Naphex the dcs that work with noobs generally (if well managed) do two things : only use a few specific types, and keep a supply on hand.
fluffypony: I've just read the Twitter "thread"
Naphex: ofcourse they won't have any available, especially for your raid
Naphex: not having spare hdd's available for your server, will make you rage so hard, while you call all the available suppliers
mircea_popescu: the plague of bitcoin : it empowered all sorts of people who, well... aren't really up to the task.
mircea_popescu: Naphex you know the marquardt idiot is sitting on like 5mn worth of donations / revenues ?
Naphex: good luck finding compatible spares in less then 5 days
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Post is updated this morning to include their claim of hdd failure
davout: they said it was hdd failure
davout: now i'm blocked, gotta find another one
davout: then comes along this random neckbeard, pretend-cto, that would totally penetrate my security, if only he had some time
fluffypony: they have nothing better to do
fluffypony: you know the redditards are going to get you murdered off twitter
mircea_popescu: tho he possibly crosdressed in the past
fluffypony: I thought davout was the mean harassing person for all the gavinharassing in that IRC log?
mircea_popescu: davout the negative doesn't actually cunt, you're right. yes means anal.
rdymac: It was not a suicide. The truth will be known way after, when it doesn't affect anymore the president
ben_vulpes: http://www.bubblear.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/03plaza.jpg << the wide shot isn't even terrifically convincing.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i didn't see it. obviously i don't keep the entire city under surveillance.
mircea_popescu: chetty i somewhat doubt that was the plan.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: more or less that "there were peepul!"
davout: fluffypony: but it sounds like the second negative doesn't actually count, amirite?
rdymac: The case of Nisman is obviously a really bad way to shut that guy
fluffypony: actually the one thing that irritates me about Afrikaans is the double-negative, as in "ek het dit nie gesien nie" (literally: I have it not seen not)
mircea_popescu: no, but i know what they do to girls with big butts.
mircea_popescu: can't hear each ootheer
davout: you know what they say about men with big feet?
fluffypony: to a South African, Dutch people sound pretentious...but after beer #3 nobody cares and we're all the best of friends
mircea_popescu: davout the mugs look so weird to a mug-ologist!
ben_vulpes: (bubblear known derps, but nevertheless)
fluffypony: reporting live from the heart ^z^z^z^z leafy coastal suburbs of South Africa!
mircea_popescu: sorry, you're my expert on the ground in sa, which interests me.
mircea_popescu: as long as they didn't find her in bed with a live girl or a dead boy...
pete_dushenski: or she'd have been out on her ass within the first year
pete_dushenski: so she must still be pumping the right tires
pete_dushenski: but she's remained there for 8 years...
mircea_popescu: the exact definition of "by accident"
mircea_popescu: her husband put her in so he can come back, then died.
pete_dushenski: she didn't trip, fall, and land there quite by accident
pete_dushenski: but she's in the top office
pete_dushenski: i wouldn't think that the argentinian powers that be would move entirely independently from cristina
mircea_popescu: or deprs who have a lot more to lose than her moving on their own accord.
pete_dushenski: take the words out of everyone's mouth
mircea_popescu: i was thinking the same think, an' even said some pretty hard words about teh woman
pete_dushenski: and here i was thinking that cristina ordered the thing
pete_dushenski: sniff, it wouldn't be the same...
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No, the rest of you can divorce if you want.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo fine, no divorce day then!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but that way there's less yelling at people.
undata: quick update before I dive into bezzeland biz, I bought deedbot.org for deed bundles, and the thing's two cron jobs and some code cleanup from being ready
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if you want advice, the best advice is, use curl to pull up a shiotton of feeds, create a script that greps it by keywords with weight, create another that searches for rare words, and sort the whole thing in that order.
davout: i should make a bot that moderates randomly so i get paid from the forum chest until they notice XD
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm prolly going to be stuck there because of this media startup and a need to follow RSS for dummies
davout: kakobrekla: i got some other french dude mod, so i can just pop in there from time to time and nuke the occasional noobie
mircea_popescu: now, in honesty, there WAS a time, in 2010, when pretty much all the good tail in romania was there.
mircea_popescu: this is really stupid central and wtf am i doing there!
mircea_popescu: once they decided i killed poor anton (god rest his stupid, scammy soul), i discovered... whoa.
mircea_popescu: davout you know, here's the thing with twitter : back when i had an account, i kept thinking all sorts of in retrospect bizarre nonsensical, fatlogic-y rationalisations for why i'm spending time there.
chetty: indeed, but the floods a comin for sure
mircea_popescu: chetty yeah but in fdr's time the situation was, weak govenrment and strong population. today it's exactly the opposite.
mircea_popescu: chetty ironically ppl like danielpbarron are doing fine. i dunno that one's religious belief is an impediment. course this may really be a religion vs theology thing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: To an extent. His relationship with particular gold vendors though apes Keiser's relationship with Aurora coin though. The "pay premium for particular coins" sort of scam
chetty: yeah if he could get off the god wagon he would make a lot of sense actually
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wasn't this the guy that did a lot of gold and guns advertising, and pretty much sounds like a b-a alumni ?
BingoBoingo: chetty: Lizard Hitler doesn't need him to say anything stupid on Bitcoin. Other people will tell his audience stupid things and reasonable things abot Bitcoin might seem sstupid to other uninitiated people via naive association with him.
mircea_popescu: can't they just get a break ?
chetty: so on this mornings glenn beck show he went on at some length about how people would be turning to bitcoin as a way to protect idenity from all the hacking, he has big audience ..and he didnt say anything that was actually stuipd, for a change
mircea_popescu: well... if not yet then soon enough.
assbot: Central banks have no more control over their economies than gnats have over elephants. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cj6Q72 )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/22/central-banks-have-no-more-control-over-their-economies-than-gnats-have-over-elephants/
mircea_popescu: and this only speaks to whitey, people who have somehow fallen through the cracks of a lentghy history of literacy.
mircea_popescu: having people who aren't really intellectually capable to handle email involved in bitcoin ? why ? "because they're people too" ? no, they're not people too. they're cattle too.
mircea_popescu: ironically, in spite of pierce's much more factually sensible theory, somehow saussure's seems more useful in practice.
thestringpuller: given to a business that burns it all in the form of salaries
mircea_popescu: only if the something concrete like say a house is also something abstract like the meaning of a house.
mircea_popescu: yeah. but the something in question chiefly is "social and economic preeminence"
thestringpuller: yea. not many people are going to "front" the pacific islanders dreams with drugs, sex and rock & roll in the same way US-ians do with Sillycon Valley
mircea_popescu: and when it pops, it will be JUST AS destructive to economy & society, according to how close to the absolute maximum it got.
mircea_popescu: in principle, some pacific islanders with their six acres of unarable land and fifty coconuts can make a bubble just as well as new york can.
mircea_popescu: bubbles are built not out of money but out of dreams, hopes and assorted verbiage. which is why money is such an approximative approach to attack them.
thestringpuller: just making sure I understand the concept.
assbot: Man 'sold' Facebook IPO shares, gets 46 months in the federal slammer | VentureBeat | Business | by Daniel Terdiman ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cj3xge )
punkman: http://venturebeat.com/2015/01/21/man-sold-facebook-ipo-shares-gets-46-months-in-the-federal-slammer/
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's a maximal value of a bubble, when it pops. this is driven by the headcount and so forth, nothing else.
thestringpuller: as is always the case
mircea_popescu: their nominal monetary value is not important.
mircea_popescu: all bubbles are really the same size.
thestringpuller: if that strategy succeeds, the bubble that is facebook maybe unprecedented upon collapse.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yes, actually, in a backwards sort of way it's exactly that. google can't afford to have zuck pretend like oh, "we're better than google". so if he tries they can go "heh, we're fb plus other things".
thestringpuller: maybe the entire point of G+ is to prove Facebook isn't worth anything?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: well santa clause is allowed to BNE on the 25th me thoughts
mircea_popescu: because that's how proof works : that you didn't break into any houses all through the day of the 29th doesn't help you in court. that you did on the 25th, sinks you.
mircea_popescu: that watsapp no users claimed as however many seemed to be worth something when fb paid for them is no support of the theory. that g+ isn't worth anything IS counterproof.
mircea_popescu: if there's a better example as to why the "grow big fast" so-called strategy doiesn't work, here it is. google's own g+ is not worth naything in spite of 3bn users.
mircea_popescu: decimation: punkman: that's 2-3 billion signups <<< and yet, in spite of that claim (probably unsubstantiated, as all of these, but certainly more defensible in VC terms than anyone else's), g+ isn't worht anything.
mircea_popescu: the fact that !unrate !rate cycle wipes it, but simple !rate update doesn't is actually the best of both worlds.
kakobrekla: [note] => I was hesitant to replace a 2011 rating before, however : Sturles is and has since the beginning been a pillar of the community.
mircea_popescu: but wasn't the case pre january.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you mean the date ? yes i know.
Apocalyptic: gribble just overwrites the rating date everytime
kakobrekla: actually, here is the thing. if you just !rate over existing rating, the old date should stay. if you !unrate and !rate, it will put up a new one.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for sturles from 2 to 4 with note: I was hesitant to replace a 2011 rating before, however : Sturles is and has since the beginning been a pillar of the community.
mircea_popescu: !rate sturles 4 I was hesitant to replace a 2011 rating before, however : Sturles is and has since the beginning been a pillar of the community.
assbot: You rated user sturles on 29-Oct-2011, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: coupla deals over pp.
jurov: thestringpuller the conscious mind needs to be there to say what's next. many people struggled with it
kakobrekla: they were*
kakobrekla: k then
thestringpuller: jurov: yes. when it all becomes fluid like water I guess the conscious mind is not really present?
jurov: imo only the latter helps to focus appreciably
jurov: thestringpuller it's big difference between doing a simple movememnt properly and doing whole choreography
lobbes: thestringpuller davout: yes, and I would agree that I have reached this 'realization' more than once
thestringpuller: lobbes: re: ignorance << The first step is admitting to knowing nothing.
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Well Maybe there's a hazard. It isn't ideal, but I don't know of a great version of bitcoin yet.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 23:07:34; kakobrekla: i guess misconception add up over the years
thestringpuller: jurov: the interesting facet of that kind of memory "working memory", is it requires some effort of concentration to operate
jurov: but on other side, we were supposed to learn choreography and i was too lazy to force myself to remember it whole properly
lobbes: I remember reading something a bit ago that hit home; a lot of people make the mistake of 'reasoning from their own mind' without really checking external sources of information. Which is deadly if you are ignorant such as myself
thestringpuller: lobbes: I like the saying, "Scammer until proven trustworthy."
thestringpuller: focus being acquired through all of the above, which are practicing/training
thestringpuller: focus is probably the hardest part of thinking, only achieved through kung fu
lobbes: the whole 'don't just assume' thing
kakobrekla: welcome to the world of grim.
davout: that doesn't usually happen only once, but yes it's a good thing in the sense that it's an incentive to think more
lobbes: davout: That I've realized my ignorance? lel, yeah I guess that's the first step, right?
lobbes: The more I read, the more I realize I don't know anything. Nor do the bitcoin devs for that matter
lobbes: I'm glad I discovered this place, man. Otherwise I would have been led off the cliff a long time ago
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: doesn't that say something on its own regarding the durability of irc networks?
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i think freenode will always have irc clients connected to it in the far future
thestringpuller: I wonder if in 20 years when IRC is still chugging along on freenode what will be of thermos' forum...
mod6: maybe they'll have lost your ban. win!
jurov: don't copy that stuff here then. can cause murderous rage for mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and others
kakobrekla: >Andreas Antonoplous, or Kristov Atlas would seal the deal for me; I'd say Peter Todd or Greg Maxwell would be best, but those dudes are super busy these days.
davout: this pronoun-changing bzns keeps the butthurt flowing
thestringpuller: davout: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t6oks/gavineries_irc_discussion_of_the_block_size/cnwg265 << this caveden guy is like that kid in class who just can't seem to understand the teacher so makes his own rules.
davout: thestringpuller: you're australian amirite?
davout: thestringpuller: wai?
nubbins`: the scam thread made it up to like 23 pages
davout: these terminals are not publicly available yet
Naphex: davout: on the new terminals or old ones as well?