moldysnizz: BingoBoingo, have yo had a chance to watch "The Rise and Rise of Bitcoin"?
BingoBoingo: If I were drunk though I prolly would have IRC'd on the hostile campus wifi. I am so happy to have civilized internet again.
moldysnizz: I really need to dig out my old workstation for my other signing keys. It would be nice to be back on the WoT
BingoBoingo: On the plus side I also got to judge speech events, which meant I literally got to watch minstrel shows and liberals were ok with it.
BingoBoingo: I did not get to judge that round, but the nihilist "won"
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/dbd560e399f2fcac62c14ed4d672bc22/tumblr_nbnan2prwQ1tj17cio1_1280.jpg << are these handcarved dogs ? or wts is that milling machine ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is growing into the "nice grandpa" and not grumpy old man.
mircea_popescu: they're virgins.
mircea_popescu: eh don't judge the kids too harshy
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Only drank Friday night. Saturday night my loss of faith in the USian college leaders of the future pushed me into unassisted slumber.
BingoBoingo: I live. Got hooked into judging at a college debate tournament this weekend for quick fiat and an anthropological study of the reddit derp in the physical world.
thestringpuller: didn't know you were the channel car guy, but again guess I haven't done my reading
pete_dushenski: ya i don't get the maybach at all
thestringpuller: the maybach that picked up lil wayne from prison etc.
thestringpuller: rap couldn't truly save the maybach, but it's one of those dream cars that actually fulfills the dream from my limited experience at least.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: it's in the interest of the suppliers to ensure that they have business in the future
thestringpuller: but like the modern Maybach i.e.
pete_dushenski: the tesla model s couldn't have been anything other than "the best piece of engineering since apollo 11"
thestringpuller: tesla's suppliers are definitely trying to reverse the quality trend
pete_dushenski: the company is entirely dependent on government subsidies
thestringpuller: thestringpuller: is hampering even the best of intentions << this is why tesla was able to get through even with mafia style racket in place.
pete_dushenski: they have a culture of longevity
pete_dushenski: their morality is different
pete_dushenski: the japanese are slow
pete_dushenski: this is also why recalls are spanning unprecented numbers of cars, and stretching across brands at the same time
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: yea but was crafted in mind 90's when the trend started
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: but that's a 20-year-old car now
pete_dushenski: but the increased homogeny between brands, a function of their sharing tier 1 and 2 suppliers, is hampering even the best of intentions
thestringpuller: it's like Jobs' ideas behind the iPod
pete_dushenski: ideally, from their perspective, cars would crap out as soon as the warranty expired
pete_dushenski: of course, in the mid to late 90's, automakers figured out that all cars, regardless of upfront cost, should self-immolate after 10 years
pete_dushenski: as they evidently have
pete_dushenski: the e30 was built in an era when only entry-level cars failed completely after a few year
thestringpuller: which I admit is tempting, but in the same sense as candy is tempting ~_~
thestringpuller: I love cars like that. Shit you can drive in Siberia with 0 maintenance (like an asshole car owner), but the machine still chugs.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell peterl hey can we get thestringpuller.tumblr.com added to bablogs?
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: lmao i love that dylan scene from chappelle
thestringpuller: I was thinking of that story I put in the comments of your post. ANd was like "Why not get a volvo? It's gonna outlast most bitcoin businesses while being 30 years old as is."
thestringpuller: anything I really post is on thestringpuller.tumblr.com
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: you ever have a blog?
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: wait, you're a dude?!
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: i love the jew fro.
pete_dushenski: Founded in 2011 and built by ex-Skype and PayPal engineers with the aim of making it easier (read: cheaper) to transfer pounds to euros, TransferWise says that it will be using the funds to fuel its global expansion.
pete_dushenski: then you must learn to clean dishes
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what's next, ima write letters to the vessenes << Maybe it's because I have autism, but why would you write them letters when you can publicly condemn?
pete_dushenski: or to apple that they're updates make everything worse
mircea_popescu: what's next, ima write letters to the vessenes fake foundation about how their power rangers are fucking up bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: the usg is not going to like people fucking up its shit. that's not changing. google isn't going to start acting like anything but a usg agent. that's also not changing. what are teh staffers in question expect will happen, or expected will have happened ?
mircea_popescu: that was kinda my point. what exactly would be the alternative here, google demures ? how.
mircea_popescu: "us company subsisting out of us fed subsidies fails to implement usg policy. is replaced with different one, nobody notices the difference."
assbot: WikiLeaks demands answers after Google hands staff emails to US government | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1yiIapm )
ben_vulpes: anyways, first sunny day in months and the hipsters set the badminton net up *smack* in the middle of the swamp
Adlai: to learn of the otc, you must become otc
ben_vulpes: there's no price signal
Adlai: the slippage :)
mircea_popescu: Adlai web exchanges realligning to otc, what's the big deal ?
Adlai: it looked quite similar to what happened a few months back on bitfinex where the order book reported an out of date book about $20 below the current one
mircea_popescu: i suppose now that garza packed it, buncha noobs will be trying for the "first best largest" bitcoin scam thing.
mircea_popescu: eh, read up on the ognasty thing , or the diablo whatever that was for the classics of the genre
CoraCrisT: just waiting for the horde to join
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, anyone else who is interested in node on 'pogo' - buy yourself the box (pogo model 4.) i intend to post a recipe soon.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what discussion, flavour of the week tardstalk scam
mircea_popescu: gotta lose their bitcoins somehow.
Naphex: they get hooked irl ;o
mircea_popescu: "This sounds like a legit deal to me because the bitcoin mining can keep it going."
mircea_popescu: can't fucking find well known sets that are all over the interwebs.
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to know what happens to "exciting revolutionary start-ups" once the burn rate burns through... tin eye is a fine example.
mircea_popescu: apparently the average chump believes talent to be a sort of spark-of-superman.
mircea_popescu: His mastery of the skill comes not from his ability to "cut around the lines" but in that he can from start to finish carve on some of the most difficult woods in the world to work with. Wood that 80% of your so called "master carvers" as they claim on youtube and the woodworking forums would not touch in a hundred years because it takes some serious talent to carve them.
mircea_popescu: there must be one
jurov: if it had go parser, i'd put btcd there too
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/ << my modest etnry to "most important article published on the Internet in 2015"
mircea_popescu: not a hard task these days.
mircea_popescu: so in general, sanity only needs very minimal measures to defend itself from the otherwise doomed attempts to relevancy of the us-ists : keep issues from becoming simple matters.
mircea_popescu: which is whence the crisis-oriented politics of all US sytems comes from. the only time the US US made sense was during war with germany. "either yer fer or against!"
mircea_popescu: the only sort of situation where US systems approach survivability are very plain, obvious questions that everyone, even a turtle, would get right.
mircea_popescu: the intellect is rarely functioning and universaly expensive to fire up
mircea_popescu: and the solution will prevail because the problems universal suffrage straddles its practitioners with are not only unresolvable, but actually heavier than the sum benefits.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the solution is quite simple : do not give everyone voice. have a voicing procedure in place.
mircea_popescu: so of course any headcount-based system will try to talk to the latter.
mircea_popescu: well because the intellect is rarely functioning and universaly expensive to fire up, whereas the emoprocessor is always on.
decimation: davout: yeah it's a good term. note that emopolitik is called "political strategy" in the democratic west
mircea_popescu: which has to be beaten out of the afflicted, for everyone's benefit.
mircea_popescu: three guys that fire weapons by hand are not my concern. three million dickless schmucks sitting behind desks, those are the problem.
mircea_popescu: more relevant to our interests : the one public prosecutor murdered by the argentine state in argentina.
decimation: region of Ukraine have not been given the same significance by the Brahmin classes of the West."
decimation: "Concretely, this has meant giving massive publicity and a momentous political significance to the 17 people killed in the Charlie Hebdo and related attacks. This contrasts sharply with the treatment given to any number of other recent tragedies: the 1,400 girls raped by largely Pakistani gangs in Rotherham, England, the tens of thousands of victims of Islamist terrorism in Syria, and the over 4,000 people killed in the Donbass
mircea_popescu: obviously they imagine the world is you know, someone just walked out with a ruler cca 100 years ago
mircea_popescu: well, "the west" in the sense of, "west of ozarks" are people who live in states bordered by straight lines.
assbot: #JeSuisUsefulIdiot : Western Leaders Exploit the Paris Attacks | Thedening the West ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZqWRz )
decimation: http://theden.tv/2015/01/24/jesuisusefulidiot-western-leaders-exploit-the-paris-attacks/ "What was the #JeSuisCharlie demonstration about if not about free speech then? The shortest answer would be: emopolitik. As Colin Liddell has defined it, emopolitik is: “the achievement of political goals and the destabilization of rival political systems through the selective mobilization and projection of decontextualized human emotions and
decimation: putin's landgrab of crimea has a great deal of historical and cultural importance, of which the west is almost completely ignorant
mircea_popescu: you could in fact pretend like wait, "give russia back to the tatars"
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lituation | You go to the bodega and a chicken cutlet is half off and they give you a free bag of chips and an Arizona because they know you. That's a lituation.
thestringpuller: what happens when all these VC fueled comapnies fail? Do we just go in an plunder them and shit?
mircea_popescu: at times more important than the muscovy duchy etc.
decimation: yeah I knew tartars/turkic peoples were scattered around the middle and eastern parts of asiatic ru, but I didn't realize they had taken up around Sevastopol
mircea_popescu: it's true that you can't be smarter than Y, but you also can't be stupider than Y, and so the average will always be over Y which is not an average /r/bitcoin looks likely to reach.
mircea_popescu: one group is motivated by greed, which brings all the idiots out of the woodwork. the other group is motivated by broken ideology, which HAS a barrier to entry, because you can't adhere to an ideology and act on that basis if you're arbitrarily stupid.
mircea_popescu: decimation: I didn't realize that the Crimea was filled with Tartars << golden horde sez nothing to you ?
mircea_popescu: coderwill: I was following a conversation on GitHub for Bitcoin.org, and found it interesting that Circle has explicitly requested to be removed from the site because it targets a different demographic from what they are searching for. << yeah., circle is looking for suckers / idiots / people who refuse to think.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: ben_vulpes: that's precisely the current Monero architecture << heh. apparently sanity is not a luxury product.
mircea_popescu: and he's going to try an' broadcast a btc txn from down there.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Tinder Makes Its First Match in Antarctica -- The Cut << speaking oif which : the brave mthreat amongst us is going on a south pole expedition like next week
mircea_popescu: hm.... i never knew an "artisan" that works wood by the truckload ? this is akin to someone claiming to be dali explaining how he gets a truckload of paint a week...'
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: i suspect smoothie from the forums is kinda stupid << generally known as such. his behaviour throughout was, to quote hanbot "nothing short of bizarre"
decimation: this robert moses guy singlehandedly paved over many minority communities all around the northeast
decimation: mircea_popescu: although in this particular case, the neighborhoods were saved and they ended up full of broken families anyway
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: smokes, let's go.
mircea_popescu: decimation sure, but on the other hand the job of politics is to avoid placing the table on the toes.
nubbins`: "Professional carpenters never, ever, EVER smoke in the shop. It's an incredible fire hazard as well as a personal danger since stimulants can increase the risk of slippage on a power tool. My father was an avid chain smoker and would never allow tobacco in his work area."
decimation: the problem is that in democracy, it's really easy to kill off projects, so nothing is built
mircea_popescu: decimation i mean, if the entire objection to the mores of the black ghetto is that men don't live with the women they impregnate, and then you go demolish the one place for 500 miles where they actually do...
ben_vulpes: perhaps better would be a thing that connects to the network, slurps out unconfirmed transactions and poops that back out as the mining input...
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i guess not in the spirit of modular design.
pete_dushenski: ^all the car tawk is in footnote viii :)
mircea_popescu: "To most, the fact that Lila called Mitch a hero for killing himself is strange. "
decimation: another obstacle, like a hill to be leveled or a valley to be bridged.”"
decimation: re: baltimore: www.prrac.org/pdf/mohl.pdf "Over the next few years, RAM continued to protest the "victimization" of black communities in the path of the interstate, which purposefully seemed designed to take "the heart out of one of the most stable communities in Baltimore." Facing the removal of 10,000 blacks who lived in the path of the east-west expressway, RAM activists challenged the highway engineers who “view people as just
nubbins`: there's screen grabs somewhere
mircea_popescu: "Preference will be given to those who provide video of them damaging the finished piece with a dremel tool." lol ok
assbot: A retrospective on six years in the car blogosphere | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bqbxuo )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/25/a-retrospective-on-six-years-in-the-car-blogosphere/
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I can submit writeup if deemed worthy otherwise It'll stay in the vim buffer
mircea_popescu: i recall this grandiose commie romanian cinema thing, where "so what do we do ?! " "well... he can jump on some ears of corn" "but the camera will pick them up". pause. "not if you cover them in a brick painted sheet"
nubbins`: then an unrelated scuffle on the bridge led to a man being thrown off, landing on me and killing me
nubbins`: CONTRAGULATIONS in glorious chunky white vhs-c lettering superimposed on the bottom
nubbins`: reminds me of the time i filmed my death & had it played for my school lit class while i took the final week off
mircea_popescu: and it's alltogether just a bunch of artisanship
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you should fish out the shows tho, they're great. derp has the camera filming in demo mode
mircea_popescu: was also one of the guys involved in "banker cartel" pirate bs.
thestringpuller: I was gonna do some weekend snippet posts to help lighten the load.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller did you submit an article or something ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i have not, no.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> because usg is too stupid to move to somewhere cheaper <>< nah, not how it works. wherever it moves, the bedbugs move there too. it won't stay cheaper.
nubbins`: the book indeed
mircea_popescu: of course the lord's slave mistress is what passes for upper class among the slaves. nevertheless, the actual upper class regards the favored equal to the common slave.
decimation: I suspect wash dc is one of the few cities with a major upper class commuting culture
decimation: in fact, the sitting senator for maryland, mikulski, was personally involved in leading the riot to stop the connection of I-70 to downtown
mircea_popescu: i've seen pics these days. half as full, everyone on gadget.
asciilifeform: there is rail here. it is mainly used to get in and out of wash., d.c.
decimation: around the same time, passenger rail went tits up, so there's little choice except shitty driving
decimation: mircea_popescu: actually much of the worst road 'infrastructure' in the northeast are in cities where people stopped highways from being built
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the road never actually gets expanded, of course. but there is endless derp on the subject, for so long as i've lived here (~11 years)
mircea_popescu: yeah well you're in the sticks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laugh if you must, but my town still has these same meetings.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well you should have seen town meetings in the 60s. "FIFTY LANES WE MUST HAS! EACH WAY!"
thestringpuller: After reading all of MPOE-PR's post, I have realized MP has done the greatest public service to this community.
thestringpuller: I nominate mircea_popescu for the bitcoin public service award!
mircea_popescu: who here is on an economy internet package ? everyone just "give me the fattest pipe you got" "oh only that ? INTRODUCE LARGER ONES!"
mircea_popescu: we would, of course. so what the driveway cost would not be a topic of conversation.
mircea_popescu: what if we had to phisically drive to vegas, like kennedy HAD TO in the 50s ?
mircea_popescu: we meet irl once a year, and even that's extravagant for like half the people.
mircea_popescu: work and pleasure. solved, and much safer than actually going there.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2014 16:10:16; gribble: Autosaurus - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7aj2ZItuk>; Adbusters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adbusters>; Sim City: Auto-Saurus-Rex, Volcano, UFO's in Spacington! - Spacing ...: <http://spacing.ca/atlantic/2012/06/08/sim-city-auto-saurus-rex-volcano-ufos-in-spacington/>
asciilifeform: death of the auto >> obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2014#833541
decimation: 'other side' being more or less 'private' transport and land use planning?
mircea_popescu: but that other side has evaporated.
mircea_popescu: decimation all of that used to not matter when one considered on the other side the even greater expenses of the available alternatives.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it isn't that hard to port, e.g., sbcl, to 'metal' - but then you end up in driver hell.
decimation: "But, when you sum these things up in terms of what consumers spend in terms of getting to work, various pleasure trips and non-work trips, and then you look at what shippers spend on shipping freight and so on and so forth, and then what the government spends building infrastructure, we're talking shares of GDP (Gross Domestic Product) that approach the amount that we are spending on health care. ... And that's just out of pocket
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see earlier experiment of the same flavour, 'movitz'
decimation: They had some guy talk about transportation in the us in 2013: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/10/winston_on_tran.html
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that one is after nubbins` prints the fscking book and i read it
mircea_popescu: lol pete, repackage this you're halfway there
pete_dushenski is, fittingly, working on another car-related article atm
decimation: pete_dushenski: aren't you a fan of the econtalk podcast?
mircea_popescu: complaints start after the 30th birthday.
mircea_popescu: decimation i never heard of anyone complain that their 16yo cocksucker costs money to upkeep.
decimation: the problem with a fancy interstate is that it costs a shitton of $$$ for upkeep
pete_dushenski: all for the interstates and highways and byways
mircea_popescu: had bush spent ALL the stimulus on making internet connecxtions of 1tbps universally available, i wouldn't be here snubbing my nose at horowitz
pete_dushenski: same thing we're seeing in china at the moment
mircea_popescu: when it's fucking clear what to spen the money on, so clear even a govt could figure it out, keynesianism works.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah, they were, back when the interstates were built. that's perhaps the shiniest example opf "govt investment in slump" mantra.
mircea_popescu: (not for fucking, mind you. so give them a work at home job where no woman can ever come and a way to score nude tumblrs and that's the new economic model)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: weren't they a grand investment for that generation?
mircea_popescu: people don't want to spend an hour driving, they want to spend that hour derping on a dating app
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski notrly, because it's not really about the gas. it's about the inconvenience.
mircea_popescu: it's only expensive because we're really done with them. otherwise, they'd be a "great investment".
mircea_popescu: and of commutes and of the right of "governments" to decide land use.
mircea_popescu: and it's killed and dead and not coming back and everyone and everything will change to get rid of cars, and of the sprawl
mircea_popescu: well that's one thinmg, but specifically as to the car, this entire car-and-zoning-laws-and-sprawl-and-commute model got killed by the internet
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you're right, the identity crisis is that of americans as a whole
mircea_popescu: merely disguises itself as "because X", like a domestic argument. in fact, it's becaue there's going to be a divorce.
pete_dushenski: and the engines are all turbo because "fuel-efficiency"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: diamond cleaves along crystal plane - how do you suppose folks cut them prior to lasers ?
mircea_popescu: look, it's dying, what do you want from it. cars are pretty fucking stupid. they had an economic niche which made us forget temporarily, but it's closed up.
mircea_popescu: "Among purists, the trickery has inspired an identity crisis and cut to the heart of American auto legend. "
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 01:41:29; asciilifeform: speaking of diamonds (specifically of the synthetic variety), one possible observation here - not concerning the idiocy of the wood thing as such - is that anyone demanding a specific 'colour' (as per the 'monolith' essay) - i.e. provenance - of object, is begging to be chumped
assbot: America’s best-selling cars and trucks are built on lies: The rise of fake engine noise - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ekyinh )
ben_vulpes: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/americas-best-selling-cars-and-trucks-are-built-on-lies-the-rise-of-fake-engine-noise/2015/01/21/6db09a10-a0ba-11e4-b146-577832eafcb4_story.html << craaaaapflation
mircea_popescu: dude paul anka is fucking retarded. how the fuck would a hatred of nosewoman be irrational ?
ben_vulpes ponders the notion of a self-leveling woman
ben_vulpes: kinda looks like the self-leveling stuff
coderwill: ah, n/m then :)
coderwill: what does la boca have to do w/ the nisman situation?
ben_vulpes: the guy does fireworks.
mircea_popescu: http://latidobuenosaires.com/mapa-de-la-boca.gif << here's a map of ba barrios for the curious
mircea_popescu: anyway, either way i somehow didn't see nething.
mircea_popescu: eyah but you're basically assking someone in manhattan if they saw whatever cars in astoria.
ben_vulpes: he did the beijing olympics firework show iirc
ben_vulpes: suspended a bunch of cars right down the center of the place with flourescent tubes to evoke a fireworks show
ben_vulpes: did the beijing olympics
mircea_popescu: http://news.yahoo.com/colleague-slain-prosecutor-barred-leaving-argentina-215640674.html <<< pity we can't make bets on whether he "suicides" too. "protective custody" my foot.
mircea_popescu: dat dangling minipenis, a foot under the all consuming hole...
mircea_popescu: i dun think there's anything more adorkably pathetic than academics aiming for political power. sort-of like the bichon frizee trying to mount a german shepherd in heat.
mircea_popescu: It looks like he made his goal in life to be the most detestable person in the internet. (Methinks he is still nowhere near that rank, though.) However he is a precious resource, as an expert bitcoiner who enjoys kicking some of the most sacred cows in bitcoinland.
davout: as the classical french wisdom goes: "on est tous le connard de quelqu'un d'autre"
assbot: Microsoft to buy Revolution Analytics, pushing further into big data - GeekWire ... ( http://bit.ly/1z9WK9K )
davout: fluffypony: the saivann guy is obviously some sort of topological equivalent of a feminist, tries to push irrelevant shit to feel like he, in some way, matters
davout: "If Bitcoiners could ever get decent adoption and max out that 7 transactions per second the fees wouldn't even have to be that bad. Just make every transaction cost 0.006 BTC and that's just $1.50. That would be the equivalent of the current block reward. But the problem is they've all decided that microtransactions while having an expensive Bitcoin is the killer feature."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: I didn't realize that the Crimea was filled with Tartars