assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 19:52:18; asciilifeform: and if interests of vendor conflict with yours in any way, the conflict will be subtly and perfidiously resolved in favour of vendor
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 19:51:38; asciilifeform: 'golang' is in the same league as apple's 'darwin' unix kernel. a whole zoological kingdom of pseudo-open, where, yes, theoretically you can read source, but it is not -for you-
asciilifeform: a closed hairball for all the interest the entities in question have in documenting and maintaining the various hairballs' (ben_vulpes's www)
asciilifeform: 'Software may be "open sourced" by various companies who depend on that software to do their business (Puppet, Chef and Go are all excellent examples of the pattern: monolithic software projects of such scale that they either approach or actually are their own languages for which the source is freely available, but the source for which nobody is really supposed to read), but in nearly all of those cases the code may as well be
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: have some lulz << lol check out all the disinterested forum experts. ognasty, "Pool your bitcoins with others. Vote on solutions using the Bitcoin blockchain. " all sorts of laudable.
mircea_popescu: ri really shouldhave all the magic numbers in a config file.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: "why?" << this thing where you embrace extend and run into the wall a reasonable idea is for teh dogs.
mircea_popescu: shot the guy an email.
asciilifeform: pretty good expository work in there.
asciilifeform: and when it was discarded by the phoundation? 0.6 ?
asciilifeform: does anyone else find it remarkable how readily the 0.5.3.x irc seeding mechanism still works ?
asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_I_of_Mexico#mediaviewer/File:The_Last_moments_of_Maximilian.jpg
mircea_popescu: few years later, with the elite firmly pissed off and the liberals bolstered by the "hey, even the german emperor agrees with our ideas", he got what libertards generally get.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, re maximillian : he hung of his own hand, basically. man lands in mexico at the invitation of the elite, sees the conditions of the poor and figures "hey, this shocking difference i perceive from the situation in europe is in no sense and to no degree a warning to me! the right thing to do is obviously ignoring reality and behaving according to imagination!!!"
mircea_popescu: "highly educated women are deeply respected and in high demand. highly offensive idiots who lay claim to an "education"they do not have but aspire to nevertheless "demonstrate" through circle jerking are despised and actively discouraged"
mircea_popescu: aka "i'm one of about two hundred or so otherwise unemployable idiots my age that have made a confederacy and are trying to monopolize uninteresting but cheap media writing"
mircea_popescu: "I'm a Slate staff writer. I've reported on sex, Hollywood, teenagers, media, technology, and the ladies for places like WIRED, ESPN The Magazine, NYMag. com"
asciilifeform: teach the gurlz cpp or sumthing
asciilifeform: i could have sworn we had other folks in here who can/willing-to program....
asciilifeform: or someone for fuck's sake other than meee plz
asciilifeform: most of what you see in that patch is only there because the fuckers changed the data structure used to represent the bastard blocks
asciilifeform: tried to keep the phoundation crud to a bare min.
asciilifeform: the bozomatic bitcoin (0.9.something) has a command line flag to optionally specify this value
asciilifeform: the magic constant that results in a usable 'pogo', if such exists, has not, afaik, been determined yet.
asciilifeform: in the binary danielpbarron is using, it's 250
asciilifeform: 750 << or any other constant
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150130/asciilifeform-orphanage-burner_80eb450469d93b270aa160e26b4cdab732add2c4.patch
asciilifeform: a backport of the bozos' mechanizm for purging bastards (in their lexicon, 'orphans')
asciilifeform: the skull'n'crossbones patch
mircea_popescu: so explain again and in full detail what the bastardization consists of ?
mircea_popescu: decimation : re the "russia supporting independent mexico" thing : this has already ahppened. napoleon iii fromed a mexican monarchy, under maximillian. the us refused to recognise.
BingoBoingo: Western Illinois came closer to seceeding from Illinois than SOuthern Illinois ever did.
gribble: Forgottonia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgottonia>; Kadner: 'Forgotonia' may lose planned Illiana Expressway ...: <http://southtownstar.suntimes.com/news/kadner/22647489-452/kadner-forgotonia-may-lose-planned-illiana-expressway.html>; McDonough County, Illinois, USA - Infobahn Outfitters: <http://www.outfitters.com/illinois/mcdonough/>
BingoBoingo: It might be just as likely Chicago exists as a Vassal state of Archer Daniel Midland of Western Illinois in one of the the greatest reversals on the bezzel order.
mircea_popescu: the margrave of chicago eh ?
BingoBoingo: trinque: I think the Chicagoland Duchy may at sometimes though claim influence as far south as Peoria, might raid as far south as Kentucky, but doubt they wil get to St Louis with regularity seeing the problem the river represents
mircea_popescu: now imagine it in the us you know, herzog of frankfort and ruler of the kansas marches
mircea_popescu: note the usw = and so forth.
mircea_popescu: tc.; Herr von Triest von Cattaro und auf der windischen Mark; Großwoiwode der Woiwodschaft Serbien ; Prinz von Berchtesgaden und Mergentheim und so weiter.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Sure, but so are the near rural areas which don't like Chicagoland
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> whereas an ozarks duchy seems improbable on the face. << A singular Ozark Dutchy yes, but a collection of Ozark hamlets that in confederation raids Kansas with some regularity is possible
mircea_popescu: whereas an ozarks duchy seems improbable on the face.
mircea_popescu: yes, you're righyt, which is why the "Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter" domains of His Imperial and Royal Apostolic Majesty, FJ yielded stuff like the bohemian kingdom.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: nominally US is a federation, but [..] << the argument that austro-hungary was a federation of nations, whereas the us is a federation of nobodies does not in fact bolster its prospects to any degree.
mircea_popescu: gotta start unraveling the worm sometime/somewhere.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cazalla going by https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net re top sites / audience interests : mebbe it's worth your time to write to pando, silicon angle writers (individually) see if they want to submit a piece for qntra ?
trinque: mircea_popescu | that place where you hear things that then restructure your perception. << I went to a shitty public institution, found it a waste of my time, departed early. I would've loved to experience such a place, glad I stumbled in here.
BingoBoingo: Too mebbe to make that explicit in the summary.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My personal interpretation of the filing is that Preet want the record to reflect objecting to Andreas, while not successfull preventing the zombie's testimony.
mircea_popescu: as if that's how things work. but hey, in obamaland, north of chad, that's exactly how they do work
mircea_popescu: well yes, that part is funny. preet is objecting to the defense calling its own witnesses because "the government already did that"
BingoBoingo: And Preet isn't objecting on inpetness of the introduction.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was mostly interested in linking the zombie's name to the NeoBee thing yet again. There's little left in the Ulbricht case capable of being interesting until appeals are filed.
cazalla: i don't think they have for a long time xanthyos, which is why 18f_tits.jpg.exe worked so well lol
xanthyos: noone has to look for the exe anymore
xanthyos: i don't like the concept of "apps"
xanthyos: i miss the mechanical red switch on my 286
asciilifeform: and with nothing substantial else running on the box
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> danielpbarron: and find out whether process actually died, or merely went into one of the up to hour-long fugues the bastard bitcoind goes into when everybody it connects to wants nothing but to supply bastards << in these fuges, does it report that "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the us is now fighting indians with indians ?
mircea_popescu: that place where you hear things that then restructure your perception.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: and find out whether process actually died, or merely went into one of the up to hour-long fugues the bastard bitcoind goes into when everybody it connects to wants nothing but to supply bastards
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: change the paths to equal yours, srsly
trinque: after reading that article which mentioned the coy response I see it *everywhere*
asciilifeform: then see nohup.out for stdout
asciilifeform: that means one or more of you lot are stuck with the misery of actually reading that patch.
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2014 14:20:09; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cum se suge pula' << can't help but associate this in my head with the finnish proverb, 'Pillu se on pulullakin'
mircea_popescu: trinque dude, if i could find a hundred people willing to beat up anyone in an alley on the basis of their accent in this country
decimation: aye, no nation or empire possesses the 'conch shell' forever
mircea_popescu: decimation revolution really means rotation, you know ? this is what europe does, essentially it's a falling rods press for other people.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, you don't have to explain to them that your harem's your harem and what's it for.
decimation: I'm not implying that eastern europe sucks, what I meant was that their fortunes have changed such that they are no longer a proud empire, but instead a collection of wayward sheep
mircea_popescu: well so then why worry.
mircea_popescu: certainly the women look a lot less like perambulating pancakes.
trinque: decimation: wow, that would not have been my assumption given the proximity of eastern europe..
decimation: jurov: those countries don't have a problem sending emigrants to other countries...
trinque: there are european countries that are actually resisting being invaded?
jurov: decimation, these countries are not welcoming to any immigrants
jurov: you mean west of the danube?
mircea_popescu: i'll bet you as a for instance that the way he sees it, the muslims taking over europe east of the danube is perfect, inasmuch as they'll do away with the feminists, transsexuals, redditards etceteras on their own dime.
decimation: mats: yeah I think we are on the same page
mircea_popescu: "don't chew on the gun, billy! stand up tommy!"
mats: decimation: if there was anybody bright running the show, they'd exactly cave to Putin and let him slaughter the muslamics in europe
mircea_popescu: trying to take these schmoes seriously is not unlike trying to make an army of toddlers.
mircea_popescu: is wonderful in general. He summed up his lecture by telling me that, I dont want you to think that your political views have anything to do with why you are here today, and then sentenced me to serve ten months in federal prison.
mircea_popescu: me to jail for seven or eight years if I didnt sign the plea agreement. The judge responded that that was not what he was asking about, so I replied that I must not understand what it means to be threatened or coerced. The judge then proceeded to lecture me extensively on politics. He carried on about why government is so important and how taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society and that government
mircea_popescu: After being told by the US attorney that I would be sent to jail for seven or eight years if I took my case to trial I signed a plea agreement. At the sentencing the judge asked me if anyone threatened or coerced me in any way to sign the plea agreement. When I said Yes, absolutely, the judges eyes became very wide and he asked what do you mean? I explained that the US attorney told me that he would send
decimation: mats: actually that's another point - it seems to me that we have more of an interest in giving putin a little of what he wants in exchange for helping put a lid on the crazy muslims
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Either a British Officer/Administrator who fought America in 1812 or the lead singer of Modest Mouse
mats: gotta fight Putin, you know, the man's "evil" and not a true Christian, etc...
trinque: more enemies == dear god man, look at the stock market!!11!!!
decimation: I guess. Like, if there were anti-us rebels in mexico, I think usg would be seriously pissed if russia sent troops to support them
trinque: the game is just pumping up defense spending
mats: maybe they wanna put up moar missile sites near .ru
mats: what does USG care if Putin shuts off the gas?
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BingoBoingo: http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2015/01/17/the-real-reason-that-roger-ver-renounced-us-citizenship/
mircea_popescu: "In one story in the ROVER, for instance, somebody has a tame bear, and as it is a Russian bear, it is nicknamed Trotskyobviously an echo of the 1917-23 period and not of recent controversies. The clock has stopped at 1910. Britannia rules the waves, and no one has heard of slumps, booms, unemployment, dictatorships, purges or concentration camps."
trinque: the USA is a hyperpower... etc
decimation: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/january/31/march-to-folly-in-ukraine/ << " Yet Washington just announced that by spring, it will deploy unspecified numbers of military “trainers” to Ukraine to help build Kiev’s ramshackle national guard. Also being sent are significant numbers of US special heavy, mine resistant armored vehicles that have been widely used in Afghanistan and Iraq. The US and
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal who, me ?
BingoBoingo: Well, GAW bought it. They still seem to take deposits. Just not so keep on the withdrawals business
TomServo: TheNewDeal: sup
mats: but i suppose it'd be relevant to americans, today being the Superb Owl
mats: kakobrekla: whoops, i copied that message wholesale from another window. meant to share just the link.
BingoBoingo: Fun Fact, if Marshawn Lynch grabs his crotch on the field he will be fined the same $500,000 BitPay paid for their Bowl game
TheNewDeal: isn't that what the internet was invented for?
mats: http://www.shaunagm.net/blog/2011/11/the-peoples-team re: Green Bay
ben_vulpes: it's not entirely out of the question that the ri could even be coerced into hooking onto arbitrary altchains with well-done configuration
PeterL: Rather than having all the magic numbers hard coded into the RI, should there be some sort of config file? Stuff like the DNS seeds, number of bastard blocks to hold onto, number of connections to make, etc?
pete_dushenski: and now ima pass the fuck out.
pete_dushenski: and other things
ben_vulpes: lets not bother ourselves with 3/4 sigma shit tho.
PeterL: kind of the exception though
PeterL: nah, there are some who are adamantly Texan
ben_vulpes: i'll go further, PeterL, $myStatism is actually discouraged by *all* political groups.
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/02/01_hacking-on-the-satoshi-codebase-some-pointers.html << to be outdated sometime in the next 30 days
PeterL: mircea_popescu:a federation, like the us ? << nominally US is a federation, but between the FedGov usurping power from the states, free movement of people between the states, and the mass-produced commercialized 'culture', the US is pretty homogenous; we think of ourselfs as USians rather than $myState-ians.
ben_vulpes: truth be told, frere, the RI's just that. it's not supposed to be fancy or anything.
ben_vulpes: yeah, call it the wish list.
PeterL: on the wish list?
ben_vulpes: (if multiple peers are available, and the implementation's coding is up to the concurrency)
PeterL: yes, there would ideally be more that one connection open at a time
ben_vulpes: while we're on the topic, a single node should never be a single source of blocks.
PeterL: by the way, if anybody needs a chemist, I'm looking for work now
ben_vulpes: trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/
assbot: dpaste: 0JA0FZA: How downloading the Bitcoin blockchain should work ... ( http://bit.ly/18EwsRk )
ben_vulpes: lol your grip on the fabric of reality isn't that stiff yet boss
mircea_popescu: and does the govt letter go "we object to the inclusion of this witness as mr antonopoulos is actually... in a word... dead." ?
cazalla: http://ia700603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.171.0.pdf short of it "This letter is submitted in response to the governments January 29, 2015, letter seeking preclusion of the expert testimony of proposed defense witness Andreas M. Antonopoulos."
mircea_popescu: by which i mean the rabbit.
ben_vulpes ponders the unintentional double entendre
mircea_popescu: you will find that cusp can be quite wide. it's like an untrained orgasmer going "i'm almost there".
ben_vulpes: "one shouldn't be a doctor" << the doctoring's forced on one
mircea_popescu: she calls the thing hysteria for this reason.
ben_vulpes: trick being to deliver the beatings without going to jail in this here country
mircea_popescu: so they fly in a girlish rage, which is fine and perfectly comprehensible, and even self aware
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes sadly it's the equivalent of the beatings. women grok wtf it all means, by virtue of their existential quality of being women. little girls, of whatever age, even 50 should they be, have no avenue to comprehend wtf is being said.
ben_vulpes: the "objectification is part and parcel of having a cunt" line takes more delicacy and subtlety than i've yet cultivated.
ben_vulpes: i've been considering how to present this to the "feminists" in my vicinity
mircea_popescu: a reconstruction of some sort of imaginary alternative is no different from any other synthetic product : like the transsexual, like the roman eunuch or later italian castrato, like all other exercises in artifexery.
mircea_popescu: http://log.b-a.link/?date=01-02-2015#1001103 << for the record : sexualisation as a matter of fact, not as a matter of convention (ie, irrespectiver of the sex object's "consent") is part and parcel of feminity.
mircea_popescu: a federation, like the us ? the austro-hungarian empire didn't last five years of harship.
decimation: the implication being that serious folks with lots of bezzlars see a 3% 30-year loan as a great investment - which is telling about expectations of the future
decimation: actuall the 3% FNMA mortgage-backed security is on a bull run http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/mbs/charts.aspx?Product=FNMA30&interval=4
mircea_popescu: it's so amusing for me to see the situation of 1980s japan imported pretty much all over the north atlantic.
decimation: the latest fed open market meeting strongly implied that rates will be low for a long time yet
decimation: but they are 'free'
mircea_popescu: and the "workers" are a wrapper around that wrapper. in the sense a rectum is a wrapper around the condom wrapped around the cock.
mircea_popescu: but anyway : as in the centrally controlled economy of the socialist state, so in the us : the "private" sector is a wrapper around the politburo.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the fed is actually a private partnership
decimation: the banking system is a propaganda wrapper around usg/fed bank ownership
decimation: well, they are essentially 'vanity' prices
mircea_popescu: seriously, food at the cost of a shoeshine ?
decimation: well, it is certainly the case that it is hard to find a bank that pays more than 1% on your savings account
decimation: they used to have a 'dollar' menu
decimation: the problem is, even if I were to purchase a house with say, gold or bitcoin
mircea_popescu: decimation the difference is negligible from where i'm sitting!!!1
decimation: i think mcd has raised their prices somewhat, not sure
mircea_popescu: iirc that's the structure i used last time i did something like this.
mircea_popescu: get them without adjustable.
decimation: who else would buy them?
mircea_popescu: it is the fault of the people running servers that they implemented upnp instead of beating the people with the reports, sure. however, beatings suffer from a disaster of commons type of problem : they are valuabler and expensive, but the beneficiaries resist them afore, even if they appreciate them after.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: The users installing those routers probably don't even play with computer networks as a hobby. It is the manufacturers, not the end-users' fault that UPnP is exposed to the Internet. <<< ther atrocity known as unpnp exists in the first place because people who do not know how to use computers wish nevertheless to use computers, and then complain to people running servers that "doesn't work".
mircea_popescu: We were stunned by the allegations which served to negatively impact our business in this exciting and evolving financial category, said Josh Garza, CEO of GAW. However, we appreciate the outpouring of support by a community that is behind what we are doing as pioneers in the cryptocurrency market; in short, they simply didnt believe it.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: having now sent kill $(cat bitcoind.pid) several times, i'm no longer so certain that the damn thing obeys SIGTERM.
mircea_popescu: obv there's no market in arbitrarily tiny fractions
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski understand : building a building costs to the tune of a bn or a few.
pete_dushenski: there's no way you can get under 2% is all i'm saying
decimation: there is no 'private' mortgage market
decimation: in the us, all mortgages are sold by usg
mircea_popescu: would you buy hamburgers at 15x the fixed costs ?!
mircea_popescu: but why are you paying 15x what they pay ?
pete_dushenski: 5 seems to be the norm, not sure how hard it is to get a longer fixed rate term
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell phillipsjk you can't reason on any topic on the rotten basis of socialist propaganda.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: That ain't the Maslow pyramid, yo! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0o6x1 )
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, I disagree with the premise that wealth correlates strongly with intelligence. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs <<< reed the correct one : http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/
pete_dushenski: 5+ if they'll take it
pete_dushenski: fixed rate being the key here
asciilifeform: ^ what turdatron threw into the sun
mircea_popescu: everyone has savings, and they save in gold ? wtf is this bs.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: the tips i've given re: controlling memory fandango had better suffice. i'll post a buildroot for the pogo some time this week, but unfortunately i do not have time to do the whole thing personally
mircea_popescu: also there, " Bitcoin can be so complicated at times that even I have problems getting all the facts."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tomorrow'll be fine, but yes, now is the time on sprockets where you let the little guys fuck by themselves a while.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu and anyone else waiting for s.nsa broadcast - it will appear shortly after i get a little sleep now. can't believe i blew a whole saturday on the pocket node thing.
mircea_popescu: YOU ARE CONFUSING PEOPLE!! the problem we are solving is not a problem which is why it should be solved!!!1
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
pete_dushenski: Robert Litan is a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and the author of “Trillion Dollar Economists.”
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'm guessing that they go to special schools
asciilifeform: where the scene is from
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski seriously, someone argued that "he prices of commodity-based fuels, which are traded in deep, liquid markets, also tend to be more volatile than those of renewables, for which there tend to be no separate markets" ?
mircea_popescu: supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the wot, not some farcical fencing ceremony...
mircea_popescu: i dunno how this'd practically be stuff like tax filings, court can and does ask the irs for that.
mircea_popescu: mats "private persons" in II excludes corporations. but otherwise, anything that one communicated to another is fair game.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I'll source the Something Awful ones when I find a working login. 2 and 4 though. From the same post on the Butterfly Labs forum.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think he was if my memory works, but... confirming involves wading way deep into the bitcointalk altcoin section
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Collaborator was also one of the first, notorious BTC GPU miners << who was this again ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: by means of other problems having scoped in
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: at the minimum, it was a 'spare' in case of a catastrophic break in sha2 << on this we agree. meanwhile that problem seems to have navigated away
asciilifeform: the films copying a classic one and the classic consequently seeming derivative tripe - thing ?
mircea_popescu: The sad irony? It wasn't old or overdone when they did it. But the things it created were so brilliant and popular, they became woven into the fabric of that show's genre. They ended up being taken for granted, copied and endlessly repeated. Although they often began by saying something new, they in turn became the status quo.
mircea_popescu: There are certain shows that you can safely assume most people have seen. These shows were considered fantastic when they first aired. Now, however, these shows have a Hype Backlash curse on them. Whenever we watch them, we'll cry, "That is so old" or "That is so overdone".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i mean, i get it, it's become scarcely distinguishable from other pumpcoinz << know teh seinfeld effect ?
asciilifeform: the usual term of art is 'trap door'
mircea_popescu: about as easy to go either way, towards past or future
mircea_popescu: cazalla: he's just the first iteration of garza <<< this angle i can definitely see.
mircea_popescu: and then we give nooby kids with undegrad "business" and "governance" degrees a hard time for their self-reported "experience"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i once suggested, semi-seriously, a proofofworkfunktion based on cellular automata << i recall our discussing this, in the very logs! years ago!
punkman: I'm gonna try to setup turdatronic bitcoind on VPS. Is there an easy way to monitor and log IO for just the bitcoind process?