asciilifeform: there is a tradition in usa of 'deniable' snooping
decimation: aye. but the problem with this system is that they have put all their eggs in the manufacturer's basket
decimation: your traffic is for the eyes of those who are authorized to have it
asciilifeform: there is also the matter of guaranteeing that the equipment cannot be repurposed for any sane use
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah presumably if they wanted the packets they would just squeeze the ip stack at the isp
asciilifeform: the escrow can have -only one- purpose - to let nice folks at usg forge packets as 'provably' from your house.
asciilifeform: decimation: the funny part isn't any of this, but that wtf is the point, isp has plaintext of your packets necessarily, anyway
punkman: asciilifeform: yeah I'm not sure it should be removed, the foundation shall decide. it was good for practice anyway
decimation: aye, the cpu mining code can come with
Vexual: im sure they are
asciilifeform: but idea being, if dropped on alpha centauri with the RI, ought to be able to start using bitcoin immediately
decimation: lol "The CM MUST be able to process certificate serial number values containing 20 octets or fewer. The CM MUST accept certificates that have serial numbers that are negative or zero."
decimation: we'll keep the keys though thanks
decimation: used for authentication. The CM MUST use the CM Device Certificate issued from the new PKI when authenticating with a DOCSIS 3.1 or higher CMTS. The CM is to use the CM Device Certificate issued from the legacy PKI when authenticating with a DOCSIS 3.0 or older version of DOCSIS CMTS."
decimation: ah "The CM MUST have two factory installed CM Device Certificates (and their associated private keys). The CM MUST have a CM Device Certificate installed that is issued from the new PKI. The CM MUST have a CM Device Certificate installed that is issued from the legacy PKI. The CM MUST have the same RSA public key in the CM Device Certificate as the RSA public key in the BPKM Attributes depending upon which CM Device Certificate is
asciilifeform: toy crypto - it's not just a bad idea, it's the law! (TM)
asciilifeform: decimation: ahahaha there we go
asciilifeform: (for non-u.s. folks: the harshest searches are reserved for folks flying -in- at present)
Vexual: even if just to check if your dna is the same as when you arrived
BingoBoingo would not be surprised if traveler leaving US get quarentined for "Health Screenings" in the not to distant future.
assbot: Our thoughts are also with the measles-ravaged country America. I hope we are screening them before they come to Africa.
asciilifeform: can also scan the old-fashioned way but then add two or three zeros to time required.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see the linked 'mass scan' readme.
asciilifeform: but probably safe to ignore these
asciilifeform: iirc, the latest phoundation edition is able to use ipv6
asciilifeform: for a less-than-gargantuan pipe, this scales down in the obvious statistical way.
asciilifeform: and, if gargantuan pipes can be had, to query addr lists and then graph wizardry
asciilifeform: and once scanned, the logical next step is to query versions
asciilifeform: fiddybucks or otherwise
asciilifeform: punkman: i specifically did not mean 'use publicly available site which may or may not actually scan in the way printed on the box, and may or may not censor or otherwise diddle shown results'
asciilifeform: and, what gets used as the block cipher ?
decimation: but I don't know if the spec is open
decimation: supposedly traffic on the wire is encrypted
decimation: I wonder if anyone has attempted to hack around with docsis at the physical layer
mircea_popescu: decimation the two aren't really distinct.
decimation: re: hedge funds & banks manipulating pr << one wonders if they are trying to jawbone bitcoin down in order to buy in, or kill?
asciilifeform: decimation: i can't speak for the whole planet, but nothing i've used in usa filters incoming except in the sense of -all- incoming being denied by wireless providers
decimation: so are there actually isps that filter port 8333 or was that just made up bullshit?
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mircea_popescu: there's only 4bn ips
mircea_popescu: all the people who act all shocked when gavin & co can't get enough credit to write a hello world in basic fail to recognize about two years of history trying to gently nudge, then educate, then eventually beat the idiots into some sort of shape
asciilifeform: i'm a bit curious how their seed blob is generated
mircea_popescu: always handwaved away by teh power rangers, but hey, you don't end up at the bottom of my shitlist by being responsive and responsible.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i posted that earlier today. observe: if the hardseed list were actually used with any frequency, we would have noticed the scarcity of still-usable seeds therein ages ago
mod6: well, but also, i like i was saying, it's inconsistant. because TomServo has checkpoints included and he got through the gauntlet, and I did as well lastweek before the version patch.
punkman: just sent a patch to the list, wonder if it'll go through
mod6: yeah, i wanna re-iterate here, all of the wedging issues ben and I had were /with/ checkpoints included. if we apply the rm_checkpoints patch, no longer a problem.
asciilifeform: this is kinda why i was reluctant to distribute binaries - i want everyone to know precisely what they're eating
asciilifeform: mod6, danielpbarron: in case this wasn't clear, my armv5 build still has the checkpoints (other than orphanage burner, only the basic patches are in)
asciilifeform: (x.y.sig is an ascii-armoured detached sig of the usual variety)
asciilifeform: that's it (unless jurov has some other weird constraint in there we haven't yet discovered)
asciilifeform: as described in http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev
mod6: is it the portotronic?
asciilifeform: i'd love to know what blocks are in the molestation set.
mircea_popescu: btw, since you were asking ( a while ago) : found the oldest src set, monday may 21st 2012
mircea_popescu: and yeah pretty sure we're not the onlyones. not by a longmargin.
mod6: yeah, well, still is the plan i should say :)
mircea_popescu: mod6 wasn;t it the old plan ?!
mod6: yeah. that's the new plan. all magic numbers in a config file.
asciilifeform: config file - where they belong.
asciilifeform: mod6: this'd be why i objected to zapping the checkpoints thing wholesale. now, programmable checkpoints - by all means.
mod6: i've got mutiple good v0.5.3 chains saved, but ... just was regression testing to ensure full sync with the v0.5.3.1 patch before release sign & cut
asciilifeform: not proclaiming a molested britneychain as proven fact yet, but if it had been, it would look rather much like this.
mod6: I wasn't fully sure that it wasn't our build script or something wonky screwing it up... but a hand-build showed the same result.
mod6: We wanted to collect as much data as possible before we let other know in #b-a. Hence the delay until now.
asciilifeform recites kakobrekla's sacramental 'did somebody molest the britneychain'
mod6: so if anyone else sees any wedging on a checkpoint block like the following, let me know right away, pm me if required: http://dpaste.com/1N3NPT9
asciilifeform: mod6: for the wedge
asciilifeform: that'd be it then
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory serves there'sa cutoff that severs unproductive connections after an hour.
asciilifeform: (presently irc is there and enabled)
asciilifeform: mod6: also note that the hardcoded seeds do not come into play unless irc fails
asciilifeform: why no more than hour, i do not know - either good fortune, or their connection flakes out (see former), or ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: not once have i seen the wedge at 168000 << us either, until 72 hours ago
mircea_popescu: mod6 i didn't see a 168000 exactly freeze either, ever
asciilifeform: the 'bastard' variant will wedge, however, for up to an hour (in my experiments)
asciilifeform: mod6: not once have i seen the wedge at 168000
mircea_popescu: and somehow this gets conflated with marital status ? who the hell cares if the woman's "married" whatever that even means.
mircea_popescu: i guess anything can be a mega troll there.
mircea_popescu: which is why english, latin and every other language has a gender pronoun and declension.
mircea_popescu: but i'm not particularly interested to discuss anyone outside of their gender.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and it reads as the usual tedium because it -was- same, with words swapped
mircea_popescu: he seems to be proposing the notion that saying she when i mean a cuntbearer is about as bad as inventing a special ble pronoun to denote a guy's color
mod6: PeterL: well, one thing they do, is prevent spam from bogus blocks from old timestamps: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/main.cpp#L1442
mircea_popescu: but quite in the way your pony is not your dog.
mircea_popescu: not in the way white men and black men are superficially different
mircea_popescu: and yes, women and men are structurally different, and will never be the same.
mircea_popescu: guess I cannot truly believe that anyone would see this piece that way. To misperceive it this way would be like calling someone a vicious racist for telling other people "The word 'nigger' is extremely offensive." If allusions to racism, especially for the purpose of satirizing racism and its cousins, are confused with racism itself, then I think it is time to stop writing."
mircea_popescu: ith this piece, despite-but also because of-its shock value. I think it makes its point better than any factual article could. As a friend of mine said, "It makes you so uncomfortable that you can't ignore it." I admit that rereading it makes even me, the author, uncomfortable! Numerous friends have warned me that in publishing this piece I am taking a serious risk of earning myself a reputation as a terrible racist. I
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but looky : "Perhaps this piece shocks you. It is meant to. The entire point of it is to use something that we find shocking as leverage to illustrate the fact that something that we usually close our eyes to is also very shocking. The most effective way I know to do so is to develop an extended analogy with something known as shocking and reprehensible. Racism is that thing, in this case. I am happy w
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't grok wtf this is supposed to be << was written when the whole 'pronoun warrior' thing was brand new
PeterL: what do the checkpoints do?
mod6: and TomServo was able to run with the following config and just achieved full sync: v0.5.3 + {1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7}
mod6: but, its weird, because a week ago i ran a full sync of: v0.5.3 + {1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6} and sync'd just fine, as you can see in the matrix notes (was able to send/receive here: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FSA9gxs8)
mod6: also, v0.5.3. + patches {1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7} (which includes the version update)
mod6: we're interested to see if anyone running: v0.5.3 + patches {1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 (db_config) } runs into the same issues.
mod6: in a wide variety of ways, and it's not consistant, we've been having issues getting past the last checkpoint block (more often than not): 168,000
asciilifeform: the proggy itself has never been large in comparison
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000043.html << asciilifeform, thanks for this. this goes along with some of the trouble we've been seeing over the last 72 hours.
jurov: if i do, then i'll add upnp anyway. just fyi.
mircea_popescu: but then again it works out : we're not systemd devs.
mircea_popescu: they will... never figure it out.
jurov: people who know how to open ports either do have a node or can't be arsed to even for free
mircea_popescu: the reports of mark twain's rooting seem grossly exaggerated.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in retrospect, the efforts of those shitgremlins to shoehorn xml into things are so lulzy.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the only way to develop a new idea was to be born rich << or... take it. chingis khan style.
trinque: handles IPs and whatnot on the virtual networks
trinque: mircea_popescu: it's part of the awful libvirt wad
jurov: i have never seen anyone except myself opening ports the normal way
asciilifeform: jurov: if they're plugged into home routers then we need upnp then << why????!? every home router ever made, even utter garbage, lets user open ports the normal way
trinque: mats: this was the guy's issue?
mircea_popescu: lectuals had, and that they never will. They wont ever have good jobs. They do have Twitter. But thats nearly all that they do have or are likely to have any time soon."
mircea_popescu: "This is in turn leading to an (unsustainable) proliferation of cultural commentary, some of it unreadable, but much of it sharp and interesting. Much of this commentary is understandably driven by spleen. Impoverished freelancers and adjunct intellectuals, scraping out a living from commuter teaching and dead end jobs, are angry when they look at the comfortable positions that a previous generation of humanities intel
mircea_popescu: i tell you, within twenty years if that as much as having been interested in the left will be a hanging offense.
mircea_popescu: "The turn of the cultural left to Twitter is a reflection of its weakness on university campuses, not its strength. Todays intra-left fights over cultural identity are not the birth pangs of a dangerous new radical left elite of cultural enforcers. Theyre the product of anger and economic powerlessness, the unanticipated result of the hollowing out of humanities on university campuses, and the parlous state of in
assbot: Haha. "Please use the shared hairdryers only for the hair on your head. Thank you for your cooperation." http://t.co/49FIEB4iKo
mircea_popescu: cases like spolski's are the exception.
mircea_popescu: it's not common to allow founders control in the financed vehicle, principally because founders usually fuck it up.
trinque: pete_dushenski: the vc fairy wanted 67% of my business
mircea_popescu: similarly, in the old days when you were born a maid, you were going to be a maid even if you were really pretty.
pete_dushenski: and 11 year olds can give ted talks on how to fix the world
pete_dushenski: then it really only takes a few minutes
pete_dushenski: unless the vc fairy sprinkles some dust on you while you're sleeping
trinque: today as back then, you can bootstrap yourself so long as you're prepared to lay brick by hand for a half decade
pete_dushenski: I think that in the old days where the financial system was not too developed, the only way to develop a new idea was to be born rich, to have resources and use them. Today and increasingly so to the extent the financial system works well, you can start a company, apply an idea, or even run large companies even if you are not born rich and don't have a lot of money.
jurov: the upnpnp deamon, i mean
jurov: and it was the first thing excised... it will ran as standalone daemon, i guess
jurov: btw, are the pogosticks supposed to accept outside connections? if they're plugged into home routers then we need upnp then
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu thanks for the translations :D
pete_dushenski: i wonder what other peoples/nationalities this heuristic might apply to...
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu then a dayjob keeper is me!
pete_dushenski: It's quite obvious, for instance, that the chairwhite of the League of Black Voters is going to be a black, not a white. Nobody need think twice about it
mircea_popescu: yeah, website polls is how moot ended up time man of the century
pete_dushenski: and for the german-speakers, this article just sent me a trackback: http://bitcoinblog.de/2015/02/02/der-kommende-blockchain-burgerkrieg/
asciilifeform: GEB is really a book for intelligent children, or perhaps for adults who are n00bs to the whole thinking business. it's a fun, not serious, sort of book.
pete_dushenski: jooz and stereotypes: i cleaned up the log quotes and took another hack at the romanian
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu thanks for the notes on that last article
asciilifeform: dh is best known as an american/eng author, but iirc his native lang is fr. on account of peculiar upbringing. and he knows plenty of others.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doug h is sui generis. can't really place him in a genre. he wrote a number of tomes for folks who like mathematics (in particular, logic and theory of computation), languages, translation. he is also a fairly good translator of ru->eng, even rhyme-preserving pushkin. blew my mind.
asciilifeform: PeterL: that was one of the first engineering terms to get liberast attention, actually
PeterL: actually, they should remove all references to "master", because it makes us thing about slavery, so bad, mkay?
mircea_popescu: someting awful. this old comedy board that for a while was the core of radical libertardism in the us.
PeterL: "inform the master he or she can" << really, it should be "inform the master or mistress he or she can", right?
asciilifeform: whoever is doing is - brilliant 'shit test' - will the idiots merge? turns out, yes! they will.
mircea_popescu: if i find out there's some fucktarded 50something collegiate "professor" setting up the idiot chickies in her class to doing this...
asciilifeform: on the other hand - every cellular isp in usa (that i've tried) blocks -all- incoming connections
asciilifeform: also i am unaware of any extant isp outside of iran blocking an -outgoing- port other than 25
mircea_popescu: you get the picture.
mircea_popescu: "Cabletica, ICE, Kolbi, Claro, Moviestar all need to be called and asked to open this port." << at least the last two are cheap mobile providers in argentina.
asciilifeform: i do happen to know something about those. usually they exist as a little flea on the back of a larger flea, sometimes three or four fleas in a circuit
mircea_popescu: not exactly unconnected, for sure, but never invited to a fundraiser either, unless it's for the state capitol and they couldn't fill the seats.
mircea_popescu: basically they're one of the what, 100k or so small tech-ish corps that live off the usg dole.
asciilifeform: if he stuffed the 'fvdt' contact in his own domain reg fraudulently, what's it take to get the registration judged & pulled ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know that's just a general support email, and the connection between fenton and fdvt is about the same as between reddit feminist incel and starbucks
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> Tech Email:domainadmin@fdvt.com << lol! << See someone got the Fenton lulz
mircea_popescu: like the ents or something.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the pogo plugs will be quite welcome. the network's been suffering for a long time,
BingoBoingo: Well, not THE forum, but a forum
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10340310#msg10340310 << Now it is on the forum
mircea_popescu: "I've noticed certain repeating characteristic in the writing of many members of this forum: they construct grammatically correct sentences but absolutely disregard the underlying semantics: incoming vs. outgoing, local vs. remote, source vs. destination, etc. Here in regards to TCP/IP ports, but I observed that in regards to pretty much any technical issue."
mircea_popescu: "Of course many ISPs block out outgoing 8333 by default . Why do you think we see all these threads where people complain that they are getting only 8 incoming connections on their bitcoin QT wallet? Why do we average less than 7k nodes worldwide at any given time?"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: twould also be interesting to see the same test against the modern codebase
mircea_popescu: in the words of one of the numerous us generals remembered for losing a war, "the unknowns that we know about, we name terrorism. the unknowns we don't know about, we predend don't exist. that and the state department is how we spend a trillion for the priviledge of spending another trillion."
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> assbot: Exploiting the Robocaller Gap - Global Guerrillas << speaking of this ben_vulpes, how about a site where people can get bitcoin for reading messages on the screen, then autodial them into say 5k different emergency zones across the us. << sounds great
asciilifeform: so we ship, e.g., the pogos, with titanic list of nodes. some of which we own and operate.
punkman: maybe have a list of dnsseeds with signed node lists baked in the source
mircea_popescu: dude these fucktards. LEARN PGP!!1eleventyfivethousand cocks in your mother's dumb mouth.
trinque: if one part shouldn't talk to another, it doesn't
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The future.
trinque: mircea_popescu: my evening is free to hack on it; the "keep it running" part got a lot of attention, which may have expanded scope past "a few scripts"
mircea_popescu: punkman asciilifeform yeah that's more intended for proxy chaining them iirc
BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/3R9Y3SG.txt << mircea_popescu Still made it through. IRC lag makes you think you win these trophies.
mircea_popescu: !give me the cockblocking BingoBoingo trophy!
mike_c: this is an odd time warp, where my knowledge is not outdated, but actually is too far in the future. it's weird :)
asciilifeform: mike_c: iirc you can only offer one seed in the conf as of 0.5.3 ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: granted. plenty of fires since then, which are out
mike_c: it already seeds from file (bitcoin.conf), just need to fill the file.
mircea_popescu: mine just keep dbs of other nodes.
PeterL: oh, ok, nevermind then
asciilifeform: PeterL: iirc, that's already in there
asciilifeform: anybody who can sit down between me & the ircd, can feed in arbitrary crap
asciilifeform: mine (with dns seds nixed) ends up finding them on irc.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of how's it going yo trinque ! what happened there ?
asciilifeform: actually, given that most of the hard seeds are dead, the irc mechanism is the primary bootstrap.
mircea_popescu: and remove a lot of dumbass pressure off the blockchain. ("want to talk to people ? talk through the node process not through the tx process)
mircea_popescu: which will make bitcoin full nodes a much saner thing altogether.
asciilifeform: the irc thing is a chokepoint. in my head it counts as 1 hardcoded node, really
asciilifeform: but we can't zap both it and the dns seeder (already submitted zap for the latter) without a fresh list of seeds
asciilifeform: and, much as it is intriguing that so many nodes still hang out on irc bitcoin-xx channel, that thing doesn't belong in the RI
mike_c: hence ascii's list of "only 6 of these are still alive"
trinque: the language needs to be patched such that wisdom and simplicity are more closely connected
mike_c: this actually begs the question, how the hell is this thing finding any nodes right now? brb. code grep.
mircea_popescu: "In general I have found so far that the best results in computer security are achieved not by those who are most competent at securing a system, but by those who are backed by management most inclined to simplify their task. "
asciilifeform: so people are going to download this file by IP address << can come straight from the fuhrer's arsehole, so long as it's signed by genuine foundation
mircea_popescu: ip addresses seems to be the manner to connect via tcp/ip neh ?
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mircea_popescu: http://crookedtimber.org/2013/11/21/the-global-bezzle-whence-it-came-where-it-went-and-why-it-matters-repost-from-2011/
asciilifeform: understand that node only needs to find 1 working node on the list, to spin up
asciilifeform: separate file << was the plan already
PeterL: How about putting seeds in a separate file (Foundation can host a copy that is updated periodically), and add user settable options for whether to download the updated file on program start and from where?
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mircea_popescu: if the king can pay nobles for their service in "heraldics" he will do so. and issue and issue and issue until there's more crowns than the estucheon can hold.
PeterL: asciilifeform: PeterL: the phoundation's git does not appear to have the hardcoded seeds any longer. when they were thrown out? no idea << did you figure out what they were replaced with?
asciilifeform: the_scourge: i occasionally use it as a healthier, low-tar substitute for perl
mircea_popescu: !down the_scourge
trinque wishes he could watch asciilifeform slap the_scourge in person
asciilifeform: PeterL: separate config is in the works. but i did have the thought that ought to see what ought to go in it first
the_scourge: asciilifeform: you're the one coding in python
the_scourge: cool so neither needs based nor merit. simple universal. to thsoe who ask. fn is democracy :)
asciilifeform: the_scourge: if you want to port fortran or cobol to it, who can stop you. if you expect the design to somehow accomodate your perversion - sorry
felipelalli: the_scourge: no.
felipelalli: now I am cloaked. Thanks trinque for the tip.
asciilifeform: PeterL: having hardcoded seeds is, in my opnion, a silly way of doing things << what do you suggest as an alternative? how is the proggy to know what exists anywhere without a hardcoded something or other
trinque: the_scourge: how dare you
the_scourge: btw any chance that the first HLL cpu will support python? i know that's heresy but the library support is better than lispscheme
trinque: eat and shit are entirely appropriate names there
asciilifeform: the_scourge: only in python
asciilifeform: PeterL: the phoundation's git does not appear to have the hardcoded seeds any longer. when they were thrown out? no idea