asciilifeform: there's cpu to spare
mircea_popescu: yeah well then not saying much.
davout: asciilifeform: that's the pogo??
mircea_popescu: i liked visitaiton better :D makes the story lulzier
PeterL: mircea_popescu:the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else. << add another command to assbot to collect ip addrs?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't that slow it down futher ? cpu wise i mean
mircea_popescu: "Bitnplay's failure to launch comes off the back of what can only be described as a disappointing result in an attempt to raise 400 BTC. Offering a total of 200 tokens to investors via CounterParty, Bitnplay managed to sell a grand total of 5, netting them 10 BTC."
punkman: mircea_popescu: I presume the guy's closing argument was him flapping his hands
mircea_popescu: mthreat: Here's exactly where I am, for the details << yeh but how are we to verify!
mircea_popescu: (that's what the azns call a love hotel, above. and that's a [cheap] whore cafe)
mircea_popescu: punkman: "Theres a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer << did he actually point to the distinction or merely presume it ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla: i think it is interesting to note that qntra has surpassed a competing site, founded in april 2014 << i have never heard of it, but mebbe ask em if they want to join in ?
mircea_popescu: my neck of the woods is a city larger than all of california.
thestringpuller: o look mircea_popescu the author is in your neck of the woods: "Belén Marty is the Libertarian Latina, a journalist based in Buenos Aires, Argentina."
mircea_popescu: the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else.
mircea_popescu: mod6: it seems like the growing thought seems to be to get a list of 50300 active nodes and seed those directly into the R.I., or am I misunderstanding that?? << completely misunderstanding that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: bitcoin could handily run under 100MB constant if the whole bastards thing were somehow bulldozed << yeah it's one of those serious issues that should have been on teh priority list of actual core devs. in 2012.
thestringpuller: http://newsbtc.com/2015/02/04/st-petersburg-bowl-bitpay-sponsor-nascar-driver/ << so bitpay is going the way of dogecoin
mircea_popescu: it's an ideal usecase for the "use ssd until it fries" because the value of running a pogo is in its running. so a pogo that ran for 3.5 years then died, had part replaced and resynced over three weeks then ran for another 3.5 years is a perfectly functional, 99.999% uptime pogo as good as any other.
mircea_popescu: so danielpbarron, if you feel like trying a generous swap on one of the pogos, with the understanding that the ssd disk you put in there will likely fry, please do so, and document the exeriment as well as possible.
mircea_popescu: obviously 250`000 full rewrites of the swap means a decade or more of intense usage, and so, a perfectly economic use of the ssd in question.
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking, my rationale is like this : because a large chunk of fixed data is always present (the actual blockchain), should a 100gb ssd be blessed with a 4gb swap partition, the drive finds itself in the position where the 100gb * 10k (say) writes are available as such : 100gb of them for the actual data, and 100gb * 9999 for the 4gb partition.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: swapping is the more or less one guaranteed way to ruin an arbitrarily good ssd. << while the principle is correct, in point of fact i would like this experimentally tried in our current case.
mircea_popescu: decimation: from $67,300 in 2014 to $61,287 this << remember the lulzy "need immigration to maintain geniusness of industree" paul graham nonsense ?
mircea_popescu: the fact that no checkpoints means no error would perhaps bolster the "bad code, off by one" hypothesis and relate it to the checkpoints implementation.
mircea_popescu: note that none of the blocvks you receive match your sent getdata.
mircea_popescu: it MAY be a subtle off-by-one error somewhere in the code.
jurov: gotta launch the pogoplug
cazalla: i'm headed to bed, i'll figure it out in the morn
cazalla: well, let me know when it's done and the transaction ID and i'll post it up on qntra as the first when i wake in the morning
mthreat: cazalla: I'm not sure, but I'll claim it and see wh ochallenges it ;) Kind of like how countries claimed parts of antarctica when they arrived.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mthreat: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i'm going to try sending a bitcoin txn today from antarctica. the amount will be 0.1337 btc
adlai: "Job Title / Occupation" the only possible answer i can find to this question is "Palestine", but i don't think that's what they're asking for
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: You rated user irdial on Mon Jan 12 17:05:35 2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: blocked me on twitter, but i forgive him. https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/514374369569939456.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: "There’s a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer
mod6: for the record, its: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4 & 6 }
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if your node can't survive being linked in -assets, it probably isn't fit to fight in the great war
asciilifeform: mod6: the second version posted uses lists of ip in plain ascii
mod6 tries another
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: there's a bit of difference between connecting a node to the net and putting the IP into -assets.
ben_vulpes: the foundation's resources are meager. big servers that can build in parallel and download many chains in parallel are probably not a feasible acquisition at this time.
asciilifeform: exposure of weapons-grade nodes to the internet at large << wai wat?! how would node function off the net ?
ben_vulpes: now i understand how sensitive everyone is to the exposure of weapons-grade nodes to the internet at large, but i for one would greatly appreciate a few nodes of known vintage that would barf blocks to me at will for the testing of various bitcoinds.
mod6: asciilifeform: oh the sipa txt is super old 'eh
asciilifeform: mod6: you realize these are ancient numbers
mod6: as opposed to these:
mod6: ok well asciilifeform, I think I'll try the first one in your list since it's 100% sync'd
asciilifeform: whether ready or not
mod6: is there an easy way to feed bitcoind a list of nodes that we want to use for seed?
mod6: (that starts after this line: (Warning - long. You can safely skip to the end.))
asciilifeform: either that, or reject garbage in some more efficient way
mod6: I'm looking at your email (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html) and just wondering about this list...
mod6: asciilifeform: so is the thought to connect to nodes that are fully-sync'd? and the issue is that we're connecting, by chance to nodes that do not have full sync?
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mod6: thanks for the links asciilifeform
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asciilifeform: iirc that was the closest thing to a plan
mod6: it seems like the growing thought seems to be to get a list of 50300 active nodes and seed those directly into the R.I., or am I misunderstanding that??
asciilifeform: you can then use same script ('portatronic')
asciilifeform: note that you can build for pc if you replace the cross compiler with standard gcc
asciilifeform: bitcoin could handily run under 100MB constant if the whole bastards thing were somehow bulldozed
asciilifeform: swapping is the more or less one guaranteed way to ruin an arbitrarily good ssd.
asciilifeform: but has not solved the central problem of pogo
asciilifeform: the bastard patch made the thing actually usable on pc for the first time (in my view)
asciilifeform: the usual oom ?
asciilifeform: is the only place where fBlock is true
asciilifeform: grep your debug.log for any other instances of 'VerifySignature failed'
asciilifeform: mod6: do these refer to 2 distinct runs ?
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decimation: http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2015_02_03/caredit.a1500027 << "But the first report on the class of 2015 from the respected National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE), which conducts multiple surveys of employers’ hiring intentions throughout the year, projects a 9% drop in the salaries of new computer science bachelor's degree graduates, from $67,300 in 2014 to $61,287 this
mircea_popescu: yeah it was one of the numerous points making a juicy press story
asciilifeform: on the days when b-a noobs are unmolested, presumably someone else is being serviced
decimation: well, presumably he has other people to harass for profit
mircea_popescu: in the sense that a nineteen year old with a very messy room is a persistent masturbator, sure.
decimation: I'm not sure what point he is making, other than helping sort newbies here
decimation: mircea_popescu: the guy is persistant, I would grant that though
mircea_popescu: chumps are routinely downed for their troubles. but "dunno what it was ?!?!?!"
asciilifeform: which also helps to explain the disinterest
mircea_popescu: and anyone else a) doesn't hjave the money and b) would just be happy to send you support tickets
mircea_popescu: decimation but the people who could do it could get it anyway
decimation: maybe someone should compile the list of broken devices and sell it on -otc?
asciilifeform: i can't picture any other explanation, presently
mircea_popescu: there's this very narrow lost demographic, mostly at the periphery of the world, made up of kids smart enough to be able to do it but dumb enough to not have anything better to do.
asciilifeform: re: ddos: i'm still at a loss at how snmp/ntp amplification ddosnets can carry on existing without a 'tragedy of the commons' situation - recall, anyone here could in principle invoke the chumpnet at any time
mircea_popescu: "driving adoption" the reddit way.
mircea_popescu: cazalla can't even be bothered to bet on it. "they'll make a bitcoin's worth of sales the first week, then half a bitcoin the next year and then that's that."
cazalla: http://www.cio.com.au/article/565496/webjet-exclusives-trials-bitcoin-payments/ sorta interesting if ya australia, not qntra newsworthy on account i would be stuck writing abc business converts bitcoin to fiat 24/7 otherwise
asciilifeform: decimation: i'm curious how you determined that this is so, rather than the ordinary behaviour of a flooded router
mircea_popescu: standard practice on cheap home connections, and the only reason the shit's even effective in any sense.
decimation: apparently my ISP simply cuts me off if there's an incoming flood
asciilifeform: un-monaster probably can only exist in neal stephenson's novel 'anathem.'
mircea_popescu: only the politically impotent can ever be famous.
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 23:19:43; mircea_popescu: exactly antitethical to how wots work, incidentally. because coherence is the only possible attacxk against a wot.
punkman: next we will start planning the real unmonastery
asciilifeform: but then it's just like a missing license.
mircea_popescu: well but if the whole thing's tossed then they have not acquired the right to use it.
asciilifeform: for all i know the whole thing would be tossed, like a rich man's prenup
asciilifeform: but is contract (implicit, 'shrinkwrap', otherwise) where one promises to break a law, a valid contract ?
mircea_popescu: actually it would in principle bar any sort of legally organised body from ever using the software.
asciilifeform: the last clause of part (ii) would probably give a traditional jurist indigestion
asciilifeform: should it somehow make its appearance there
asciilifeform is inescapably curious re: how the license in the article would actually behave in a secular court
asciilifeform learned these 'famous last words' without context, but always imagined a frag involved
punkman: what's with the "(quit: Changing host)"?
asciilifeform: if using a braindamaged/misconfigured client, the time to stop is probably now
decimation: I wonder if it is because I joined before the cloak took effect
mircea_popescu: have you talked with the dog about this, or is it entirely your own opinion ?"
mircea_popescu: to which the jew retorts "my good man!
mircea_popescu: the butcher, a huge guy with a huge mustache, "don't be afraid, it won't bite"
mircea_popescu: which starts to bark quite furious. the jew stops in fear
mircea_popescu: a scrawny jewish real estate agent is going down the street to show a house to a customer. on the way, a large butchery, and in it a huge dog
asciilifeform: or the like
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which reminds me, you know the joke with the jew an' the big mean dog ?
asciilifeform: we already know about the spam farms. it's over.
asciilifeform: was it the stooge, proclaiming 'Then you shouldn't be pushing for btcd in the post. Btcd is harmful to consensus. Your proposal to have miners run multiple consensus implementations doesn't require btcd to exist and its existence doesn't benefit it.' ?
asciilifeform: as for the photo, i happen to like it. and think it would look good in any respectable salt mine.
asciilifeform: ('guide to recognizing a jew using his face! guide to the jewish face on ...'
asciilifeform: mega-l0l at the Yandex ads:
mircea_popescu: can always flatten the end :D
asciilifeform: (if you need them in jungle conditions, a copper water pipe hammered flat generally suffices)
asciilifeform: thinkofthechildren (tm)
asciilifeform: (the massive heat sinks for the rectifier don't do well in enclosed domes. but idiots insisted on placing them therein anyway, torching their hose. never mind that my domes are open to 30cm of air on the top - can't allow fit!
asciilifeform hence bought the 1600 lumen units
asciilifeform learned from a previous chumpapade that the ones molded to occupy the space taken by ordinary bulb, are laughably dim
asciilifeform total chump, came back from buying super-pleasure-led light bulbs only to discover that they won't fit in a single fixture he has
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: I guess we are counting on the deliberation time being widely reported
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: what is the resolution source on that bet?
cazalla: ^^^ this guy might've been able to steal more if he had the enough coins to make it worth his while to do some friendly fraud on coinbase but who knows
the_scourge: now i know who they were and i still don't care
BingoBoingo: the_scourge: ^ context
the_scourge: i was reading some really old logs and ended up mindwandering into some things about consensus and the various btc implementations. i know the xcp guys have crossed this bridge as well, slightly different angle
the_scourge: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rfczg/the_bitcoin_consensus_red_herring/cng123b?context=3
asciilifeform: [insert all other known plato-wanks ever in this space]
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 00:52:32; asciilifeform: slightly different situation here. btc user without full node is just as likely to be walking around in a barrel, deluded by dope into thinking he's driving a car (like the characters in s. lem's 'futurological congress')
the_scourge: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rfczg/the_bitcoin_consensus_red_herring/cng123b?context=3
mircea_popescu: mebbe their gaminess' imagined.
asciilifeform: wasn't even arguing against the succession per se (next what, i should argue against snow?) but the bizarre deception games
mircea_popescu: obviously the offspring of the powerful will do just fine, unless a) the powerful's just a fake elite ;b) the offspring's retarded or c) both.
mircea_popescu: suppose the converse. i have a girl with any of my women, she witnesses the life in a harem geowing up, i tell her all the dirty secrets of the world because i dfon't give a fuck, i encourage her to parade naked in town when she's 16 and so on, and when i die i leave her half a billion in untraceable money.
mircea_popescu: that's always the case.
asciilifeform: testable hypothesis is that folks presently coming in to officer the upper ranks of the usgarchy (including not merely cia, etc. but the vc circus) , are largely annointees of previous generation therein.
mircea_popescu: otherwise teh empty rhetoric is suspect of well... that.
mircea_popescu: hypothesis.
asciilifeform: posits a phase transition some time in early '60s where the 'optimates' (his term, something like 'old money') were dethroned by 'brahmins' (the folks running the show today, socialist functionaries who work 'for the good of m4nk1nd')
mircea_popescu: and of those how many in the apparatus by 2000
mircea_popescu: see how many kids rich people of 1960 had, how many of them are in ivy league in 1980,
mircea_popescu: well, the ones contained in the theory. apparatchick count, ivy league output, rich list.
mircea_popescu: run the numbers if you're bored.
mircea_popescu: if moldy had bothered to run the demos rather than just too busy sitting on ass and opining, he'd have noticed this theory is about as leaky as his submarines.
asciilifeform: the process is reasonably well-documented by mr mold et al and i will not waste more space on it here
asciilifeform: i.e. send children to harvaprinceyaleton, internships in africa saving monkeys or whoever, they are then eminently paper-qualified and no one can possibly object (tm) to their ascendency as apparatchiks
asciilifeform: re: inheritance tax crapolade: the usg elite does not bequeath/inherit via the usual mechanism, but rather by:
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mircea_popescu: Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player. That struts and frets his hour upon the stage. And then is heard no more: it is a tale. Told by an idiot, full of sound and
asciilifeform: 'all the world's a stage' or how did it go.
asciilifeform: 'Tommy Dean Gaa, of Maryville, reportedly told the waitress, after she asked if he wanted wheat or white toast, that he was prejudiced and therefore would take white toast, according to a probable cause statement viewed by the Maryville Daily Forum.'
assbot: Mo. Man Arrested After Telling Black Waitress He Wanted to Show Her Where He ‘Hung’ Her Grandpa - The Root ... ( http://bit.ly/18LvNxo )
BingoBoingo: http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/01/mo_man_arrested_after_telling_black_waitress_he_wanted_to_show_her_where.html
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mircea_popescu: he probably got a little horny for the nude girl at dating age
asciilifeform: he knows full well that it is every bit as possible to transform from what a civilized man is to a stray dog as to the indian.
asciilifeform: why, i wonder, did he pick the indians as an example of 'the true path' and not, say, a stray dog ?
mircea_popescu: "This, I submit, is on its own sufficient proof that pornography is a wholesome, socially representative activity, whereas both cinematography and fashion are (by comparison at least) pernicious and very, very false. And that which is false can never be art, irrespective of all pretense to the contrary."
asciilifeform enjoys mircea_popescu's optimism but cannot as easily partake in it, from the prison-without-doors
trinque: rather than a wad of concepts I believed
mircea_popescu: and i'll take any bet that feudalism as promoted by b-a will take the piss, vinegar and cockroach guts out of any alternative, startingwith the usg
trinque: this experience of finding oneself to be using old concepts to try to label new data in the present was sort of what I was trying to describe with the meditation experience
trinque: I read that article re: representative democracy, but it's clarified in the context of the current conversation
mircea_popescu: consider the doomed nature of centralism. so louis defeudalized france, forced the nobles away from their estates and relevancy, captive at versailles. fifty years later his heir was being decapitated, and the system collapsed.
asciilifeform: telegraph - major boost to the disease.
asciilifeform: (orwell's 'lion and the unicorn')
asciilifeform: tradition, but the job of administering the Empire had ceased to appeal. Few able men went east of Suez if there was any way of avoiding it.'
asciilifeform: dministration. And what was true of the official world was true also of the commercial. The great monopoly companies swallowed up hosts of petty traders. Instead of going out to trade adventurously in the Indies one went to an office stool in Bombay or Singapore. And life in Bombay or Singapore was actually duller and safer than life in London. Imperialist sentiment remained strong in the middle class, chiefly owing to family
asciilifeform: Mandalay. The one-time empire builders were reduced to the status of clerks, buried deeper and deeper under mounds of paper and red tape. In the early twenties one could see, all over the Empire, the older officials, who had known more spacious days, writhing impotently under the changes that were happening. From that time onwards it has been next door to impossible to induce young men of spirit to take any part in imperial a
asciilifeform: ess room for individual initiative. Men like Clive, Nelson, Nicholson, Gordon would find no place for themselves in the modern British Empire. By 1920 nearly every inch of the colonial empire was in the grip of Whitehall. Well-meaning, over-civilized men, in dark suits and black felt hats, with neatly rolled umbrellas crooked over the left forearm, were imposing their constipated view of life on Malaya and Nigeria, Mombasa and
asciilifeform: 'Thirty years ago the Blimp class was already losing its vitality. The middle-class families celebrated by Kipling, the prolific lowbrow families whose sons officered the army and navy and swarmed over all the waste places of the earth from the Yukon to the Irrawaddy, were dwindling before 1914. The thing that had killed them was the telegraph. In a narrowing world, more and more governed from Whitehall, there was every year l
mircea_popescu: to this day i suspect xiaoping's plan was exactly 1. industrialise through giving away the products to the west. within half a century you will have the industry and they will have collapsed.
mircea_popescu: all it requires is other peopel's wealth.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: certainly. it wasn't like it requires the transistor.
mircea_popescu: "why vote for women ? because if women spend more time talking to the state and less talking to their husbands, the state will be stronger and society weaker"
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:50:13; mircea_popescu: the socialist state does not want a normally functioning society, but instead this stellar configuration where the state is at the center,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recurring theme on trilema and here, but most recently http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-01-2015#998181
mircea_popescu: but the idea being that sybil attacks succeed when and only when the nodes are too agreefull.
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/ is prolly too opaque
mircea_popescu: exactly antitethical to how wots work, incidentally. because coherence is the only possible attacxk against a wot.
trinque: "the state is everywhere"
trinque: I was thinking of it in terms of "go read these books" and "you know, don't steal that guy's potatoes"
asciilifeform: trinque: and the whole concept of everybody getting their mental firmware from the palace, rather than from organic hierarchy that's been around for millenia, is a 20th century evil
trinque: as I think about it, mostly a fairy tale that extends the reach of foot-soldiers to nightmares
trinque: this calls into question whether the interaction between sovereign and subject is one of the dispensation of a (hopefully better) OS, as I stated, or whether he is rather to be a force of nature which is so, regardless of what winblows they're running
pete_dushenski: cazalla not that i've heard of either
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 19:43:16; asciilifeform: chetty: ''Winston made another convulsive movement. This time he did not say anything. O'Brien continued as though answering a spoken objection: 'For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what o
mircea_popescu: trinque but "how do you know", after all, if opinion enacted reality (or properly, if there were no objective reality past opinions) then his gambit would actually work.
mircea_popescu: right ? whether ou find it or not, it's always there to fuck oyu over the mouth. with a stick.
asciilifeform: cazalla: lol, the black/white-lists crapolade never ever goes away.
mircea_popescu: i sit on the gigantic shoulders of logs.
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cazalla: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trinity-students-think-bitcoin-regulator-could-put-business-185046897--finance.html#kESZasb "They believe a Bitcoin credit-check database, in which potential business partners could scope each other out, could be the answer." lol
asciilifeform: 'Joe Angelo, a decorated hero from the war who saved Patton's life, approached him the day after to sway him. Rather than accept and listen to the man whom he had decorated himself for his bravery under fire, Patton coldly rejected him and stated "I do not know this man. Take him away and under no circumstances permit him to return."' (pediwik)
mircea_popescu: waiting for the milk + cookies crash
asciilifeform: in a seriously broken culture, generation n does not really pass to gen. n+1 the sense of being part of the same thing
mircea_popescu: a woman that remembers her time as queen of sheeba and a sow that remembers the greatness of mud make just as good mates for a hog mounting humiliation porn thing.
asciilifeform: just like today's phase transition in decay largely consists of the pre-60s greybeards exiting the stage.
asciilifeform: a leap of conjecture - modern usg began to take shape once the last folks who remembered pre-civilwar usa were gone.
asciilifeform: whatever 'spirit of rebellion' there was in usa, was exterminated in civil war.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: showing that the grunts were, practically speaking, automata who will do precisely as instructed.
mircea_popescu: not the same as you said before :)
trinque: mircea_popescu: if there is an objective mode of being, I am further down the mountain than it
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> well, first hoover, then fdr << the pissing on veterans is a universal sport. this is why being a soldier is dumb, being a mercenary is better.
mircea_popescu: centralism is ever the temptation of the stupid and the lazy, for very good game theoretic reasons : they know that greatness won't be oozing out of them personally any time soon. perhaps if it were all put into this box then it may ooze it ?
mircea_popescu: the fed was similarly, except re finance.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> which is, as good as any, a demarcation point for the birth of modern usg << more like the birthplace of the central planning element thereof. "we affirm congress has the authority to central plan economic activity"
mircea_popescu: btw : he only ended up in jail because he was a politician, and poiliticians exclusively are required to DECLARE their fortune.