mircea_popescu: of people with different characteristics. Animals are animals. It's a thing into itself, not some anthropomorphized cuteness. Fundamentally, we could present the problem in saying that you're a furry."
mircea_popescu: "You're thinking of animals based not on interaction with animals, but on interactions with human depictions of animals. Such as animals drawn by a person in a book, "animal" cartoon characters made to resemble people, people in animal plush costumes and so forth. All of this creates in you the false but deep seated impression that animals are residually a sort of people. This is not true. Animals are not at all a sort
assbot: Peripateticists, kinda, except girls not boys, bare cunt instead of toga and walking around the house not the garden, but otherwise exactly the same. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5E92I )
mircea_popescu: in any case : so called "altruistic" behaviour as perceived by humans in animals is nonsense of a prime order even afore all these discussions. soemthing in the line discussed in http://trilema.com/2015/peripateticists-kinda-except-girls-not-boys-bare-cunt-instead-of-toga-and-walking-around-the-house-not-the-garden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same/
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, you called it :"The way the Air Force had it figured, if a canopy could survive an impact with a frozen bird, it would certainly live through a chance introduction to one that could still fly under its own power. They further believed cold chickens provided a better simulation of a bird that had tensed to prepare for the impact. "
mircea_popescu: like the us borrowed a uk gun, and then trying to understand why the damage was so bad asked the english
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of lulz on that topic.
mircea_popescu: im a great believer in the principle myself.
asciilifeform: approx. translation for n00bs - 'the more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in war.'
mircea_popescu: i'd make him ambassador to the us.
decimation: re: stronger airplane << can be a problem - what if you want the engine to shut down?
mircea_popescu: well it's engineering... if they test with it still frozen
asciilifeform: decimation: as per the famous 'frozen turkey test' at airplane factories.
decimation: they are actually a fairly significant object to hit at high speed
asciilifeform: they like to cross roads, slowly, single file, and - given their lengthy 'runway' - one might imagine that they would occasionally get flattened. but i have yet to see this.
decimation: I saw a goose trying to cross an interstate once; it caused a feather explosion
mircea_popescu: will try to get them in line, and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: somehow they think women are also geese.
mircea_popescu: trinque actually they'll fight you, too. more than one woman got scared shitless of flocks of geese
mircea_popescu: whosoever takes will take in the manner that it is given, and there you have your submission.
phillipsjk: You seem to be claiming that hierarchy always forms in groups of animals. Therefore, any non-hierarchical behavior noted just reflects the observer's bias.
mircea_popescu: and to complete your headspin : there is no altruism, either ever seen or in principle possible, outside of a domination/submission relationship.
phillipsjk: Well, with the goose example, the lead bird has to work extra hard to fly through the air. By taking turns, the "leader" does not have to drope dead half-way.
mircea_popescu: but it would seem to me that even should i decide to take turns with the woman as to who's on top, this does not automatically preclude us from enjoying a D/s relationship.
phillipsjk: Did you understand the examples?
mircea_popescu: which of these examples is "without submission/domination" ?
assbot: Logged on 04-02-2015 19:39:56; mircea_popescu: submission is cooperation, just, functional. the sort of cooperation you have in mind is simply not found in nature is all.
Vexual: i guess it's gonna try explain the battle for control of nassau
PeterL: in the way of people do what they want and rape each other and kill anybody in their way, etc
asciilifeform: PeterL: the former
PeterL: EG game of thrones, I still don't know if the character's name is Jojen or joien, since it shows up with about equal amounts of each spelling?
asciilifeform: i'm speaking of the reverse, something which no engl. speaker has likely ever seen
asciilifeform: a 'c' is quite similar to an 'e' after all, esp. if the press was running a little hot that day
asciilifeform: incidentally, the biggest downer of 'djvu' wavelet compressor is that it... actually introduces typos like this (!)
asciilifeform has the dead tree, or would've been a bit puzzled
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: atrocious OCR! 'They hand us now in Shrewsbury jail' << hang.
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2014 22:56:06; asciilifeform: 'Dijkstra said angrily. (Hed been visibly shaking his head through out the talk even before this outburst.) How many bugs are we going to tolerate? he demanded. Seven, Teitelman shot back.'
lobbes: coderwill: there will always be turmoil. The best thing you can do is look out for your own interests.
asciilifeform: while we're at it, i'd like there to be a maximum of six mosquitoes.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 01:02:05; mircea_popescu: apparently kids crying are annoying in general, but for that month it takes them to die of hunger...
coderwill: the mass media pushes a divisive agenda, whatever causes the most polarization makes the most profit
coderwill: hence why i stopped reading the news
coderwill: not many people trying to help one another, more so many serving their own interests despite one another
mircea_popescu: anyway, scanning that page it seems that a) it's more of the usual american retardation, ala http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ as it simply rebrands a collection of old shit
asciilifeform: you'd need an old-fashioned, 1918-style multi-sided (5+) civil war to turn usa into something thermodynamically stable
coderwill: Essentially, it states that due to population growth and the rate of consumption, and that at some point in the future it will be mathematically implausible for the world to meet the consumption demand.
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts about that theory.
asciilifeform: for instance, the petty criminals who are nurtured and catch-and-released to terrorize the white suburbanites
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a little more complicated than this. just like quite a few folks who have never drawn a proper 'federal' paycheque are really members of usg, quite a few folks (tens of millions) in usa are in fact 'policemen' though they do not know it
mircea_popescu: the only reasonable answer in that context.
asciilifeform: (the folks who like to walk into a court waving a copy of american constitution)
mircea_popescu: no constitution ? then quo warranto ? bang-bang.
mircea_popescu: decimation quite exactly the trunk that my earlier "half a milion people shoot half a million cops".
asciilifeform: as the 'sovereign citizen' crackpots reliably discover
decimation: going to start ignoring is I have to do whatever they say."
decimation: for your impertinence is because you exercise power via the Constitution. If the Constitution doesn't count, you don't have any legitimate power. You are a thief, a brigand, an officiant busybody, somebody who should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail for trying to exercise power you don't possess. So, if you are going to--if we are going to start ignoring the Constitution, I'm fine with that; the first part I'm
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "The parts he likes makes sense and the others are crazy; what do you do? Here's the problem with public officials--because that's really his audience--deciding to ignore the Constitution. If you are the President, if you are a member of Congress, if you are a TSA agent, the only reason why somebody should listen to what you say instead of horse-whipping you out of town
lobbes: mircea_popescu: seems dubious the us still has five years left in it. << would you not agree that it is already dead? A decomposing body still sticks around for some time. Where is the line of 'no longer left'?
coderwill: mircea_popescu: it's really interesting that his sentiment was that it is either going to be this one or the next one that does us all in
mircea_popescu: "While I have been writing this essay another European war has broken out. It will either last several years and tear Western civilization to pieces, or it will end inconclusively and prepare the way for yet another war which will do the job once and for all."
asciilifeform: ^ was really mr o's puzzlement at the failure of own mental model, rather than statement of fact
coderwill: cool thanks for the link
asciilifeform: ('notes on the way')
asciilifeform: 'It is as though in the space of ten years we had slid back into the Stone Age. Human types supposedly extinct for centuries, the dancing dervish, the robber chieftain, the Grand Inquisitor, have suddenly reappeared, not as inmates of lunatic asylums, but as the masters of the world.'
coderwill: mircea_popescu: interesting - i'm not sure if it will be similar to orwell, but i just bought a book this afternoon called "the third policeman"
mircea_popescu: coderwill as chance would have it, im reading a bit of orwell discussing exactly the same.
decimation: http://www.wired.com/2015/02/fcc-chairman-wheeler-net-neutrality/ << lol "The phone network’s openness did not happen by accident, but by FCC rule. How we precisely deliver that kind of openness for America’s broadband networks has been the subject of a debate over the last several months. "
coderwill: i used to worry a lot about what was going to happen in the world, but the things that are happening make no sense
coderwill: asciilifeform: i stopped reading the news because it is so negative
mircea_popescu: the eu, idem.
mircea_popescu: seems dubious the us still has five years left in it.
coderwill: do you all things will be more or less the same they are now, geopolitically in the next 5 years, or do you all think they will change drastically?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do not convey a feeling of falsity << ahahaha. i'm nearing the end of what must be my 5th rereading of mr o's complete output.
decimation: asciilifeform: more than likely they were promoted because they looked especially good with their hand on the captain's wheel
asciilifeform: afaik, the generals (and bulk of the war machine) aren't into liberasty as such. they're 'only following orders' (TM)
mircea_popescu: completely unrelated, "Poe's outlook is at best a wild romanticism and at worst is not far from being insane in the literal clinical sense. Why is it, then that stories like The Black Cat, The Tell-tale Heart, The Fall of the House of Usher and so forth, which might very nearly have been written by a lunatic, do not convey a feeling of falsity?"
mircea_popescu: rather than 50, with 30 years worthless except for that camp's whims.
decimation: re: muppet pyramid: actually gen. stanley mccrystal (whom michael hastings interviewed) pretty much 'gave up' because of the muppet pyramid above
asciilifeform: in other news,
mircea_popescu: let amanda hess go conquer baghdad the 50th time
asciilifeform: the pay is not good enough << can't disagree
mircea_popescu: without it, the pay is not good enough.
asciilifeform: or at least, last until sanity comes back to the planet.
asciilifeform: possibly gaddafi was the last.
mircea_popescu: not bs cockless "oh, maybe they spiked his car, maybe they cut his glass stool and he spilled wine on his good tie'
mircea_popescu: no dude. send your aide de camp to drag a naked victim behind his horse all the way to your gate and nail them there.
mircea_popescu: if the question can be asked, it's not in your camp.
asciilifeform: http://whowhatwhy.org/2013/07/14/the-michael-hastings-wreck-video-evidence-offers-a-few-clues << for n00bz
mircea_popescu: (and by the way : kardashian ? WAY better model for any 16 yo girl than this levy sandsack)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: impudence... he can't round up... and shoot the lot << remember michael hastings ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion that old men are not inclined to fuck and the notion that poor people are content with poverty are both nonsense of the first degree.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: b) they're all reasonably loaded (for a clerk) a) they're generally old enough, not necessarily for impotence, but to mostly lack interest.
mircea_popescu: tell you what, the fact that he can't round up gawker, atlantic, wp and anyone else who ever wrote his name in print and shoot the lot
mircea_popescu: i'd rather email a goat.
decimation: apparently while you are on a hopeless mission in the desert you can email that 'socialite'
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2014 20:55:15; decimation: stand there, and look like a captain. Chicks dig it. And yes, sir, it sure does pay.)"
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2014 20:55:13; decimation: "(I actually have great sympathy for the professional. In a bureaucratic oligarchy like ours, the professional both rules and is ruled. At the top, there is no one on top of him. Yet he cannot change his mind. He would simply be replaced. There are always younger, more eager professionals. Sovereignty is conserved; it is always humans who rule; and yet, it seems that no one rules. Who gets to put
decimation: I think moldbug captured the picture well: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2014#782110 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2014#782111
thestringpuller: i guess for "noscript users" it can precompile to SVG's and they can just stare at it and imagine it being interactive
thestringpuller: the <canvas> element still requires js: http://www.w3schools.com/html/html5_canvas.asp
decimation: mircea_popescu: people who think (the phrase in the us is 'change the system from the inside') are generally beaten down and otherwised smashed by the system
mircea_popescu: can it be interactive via html5 then ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't even assume that 'medcom' is really representative of the rest of the american army.
thestringpuller: the graph is interactive via js, dumping to img will take that interactivity away. but if that's "best" yea you could run it and dump out raw svg elements that aren't interactive.
mircea_popescu: exactly why the system must be trampled underfoot.
mircea_popescu: the system changes for no man and even less than that for mere thoughts.
mircea_popescu: god help the man that a) thinks ; b) gets a result and c) expects the system to CHANGE to accomodate HIS result.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> thestringpuller prolly best to imgmagik it into a png or jp << Actually used imagemagick 20 minutes ago assembling a document package for qntra post in progress
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller prolly best to imgmagik it into a png or jp
asciilifeform: but it wouldn't surprise me the least bit to learn that today's u.s. colonels who think too much, tend to retire as colonel
thestringpuller: http://cookiechief.com/wotviz/ << well even with heavy force the lords are overlap each other. maybe l2 may not be as bad. gimme on sec and I'll update with postive ratings from L2
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller like 500-1k points on a 700k field neh.
mircea_popescu: the jews are ahead.
mircea_popescu: dead on the inside ?
asciilifeform has not met especially many specimens of u.s. military brass, but the ones he saw alive gave the impression of being something quite like professional actors.
mircea_popescu: for clearly it will not be the real camp, but merely a spare one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: any reason to think that the particular specimen was the primary whore ?
coderwill: mircea_popescu: thanks for the link, must not be any jobs since it 404'd, hehe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if that scrawny harpy is what a fat paycheck buys in the us
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Years, decades, you've done your part to build the great progressive future... ...the work instead of imaginary devils...' << who said the general necessarily believes in anything other than the fat paycheck (not from army, naturally, but 'consulting' gigs) and cheap whores ?
coderwill: i was reading about qntra, btw, that sounds really cool - i like the idea behind it. definitely would love to submit some material, it's going to take me a while to read 6 months of the logs though. :)
assbot: How do the aparatchicks live ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhxLzi )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/how-do-the-aparatchicks-live/ << hopefully the entire us civil service reads this.
mircea_popescu: hence his ideas about thermocrypto.
asciilifeform: pgp keys are, in practice, all the global namespace you could ask for.
asciilifeform: and have them reassemble
asciilifeform: or rather, if you implement one of the error codings discussed earlier, you can shoot out a small signed gibblet at a time, yes
asciilifeform: neither really appeals
decimation: asciilifeform: what about the dream of a persistent global namespace?
asciilifeform: to log readers wondering about the purpose of the disposable rsa key: forward secrecy
asciilifeform: no one sitting on the wire should be able to observe anything but garbage.
asciilifeform: ideally even the 'hello' could be encrypted to the destination's pubkey if you know it (and you ought to)
asciilifeform: also why make the enemy's job easier by transmitting plaintext ever?
asciilifeform: now compute the maximum payload.
mircea_popescu: we still doing the symetric cypher thing ?
asciilifeform: and sends it back to the session pubkey
asciilifeform: who in turn generates a block cipher (symmetric) key for the occasion
thestringpuller: all the fluids! I hope you feel better hanbot !
asciilifeform: in response to a valid, non-replayed 'hello' (from known pubkey, naturally), machine sends back a single-use rsa pubkey (generated for the occasion) to the requester
asciilifeform: decimation: the practical way is to sign 'hello'
hanbot: thestringpuller sick, but souping out nicely
asciilifeform: there'd be no room for anything useful
asciilifeform: but if you can build 'openOCD' for your system, this will do everything the 'adult' jtag machines ($xxxxx golden toilets) will.
decimation: yeah you would just need a little reprogramming to change the serial output/input state machines
decimation: ah interesting, one can reprogram the fpga?
asciilifeform: i don't remember the exact rate, no
decimation: the documentation is poor.
decimation: mircea_popescu: her emails are not particularly intellectually stimulating either
decimation: one would have to write software to craft the correct binary turd
asciilifeform: (has to be told what exactly to initialize and where the offset of kernel is, and length)
asciilifeform: also, the bootloader does not automatically find kernels on arbitrary devices, you have to script it
asciilifeform: there's an sd in the slot, yes. you can boot off that, but only if you have a working bootloader
asciilifeform: (it is actually possible to reflash the bootloader through serial port alone, but takes forever)
decimation: asciilifeform: why do you need jtag? to blow the fuses?
decimation: that once they are not in the job any more they realize they don't have nearly as many friends as they thought they did. The smarter ones do know this. And that's why so many[?] hang onto power. "
decimation: then I heard this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "Guest: It's funny--one of my friends, who has been a long-term, upper level bureaucrat in Washington said to me his favorite phenomenon to see is these people coming through these usually politically-appointed jobs and, he says: They think everybody loves them. And then they leave the job and they realize that everybody just loved the job. And
decimation: "Nor has anyone fully explained why Allen, while busy overseeing the war in Afghanistan, exchanged a blizzard of correspondence with Kelley — between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of e-mails, according to some senior defense officials. Other officials have said that figure includes many duplicate notes and exaggerates the extent of their communications, adding that there were only about 300 total e-mails."
assbot: Jill Kelley e-mails depict a striving Tampa socialite and a smitten military brass - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1AubAI0 )
adlai: this necessitates trusting them, even if indirectly
adlai: (this would also be more profitable than other exchanges...)
decimation: re: meritwashing < I think the way this plays out in actual us business is that you are friends with someone who controls bezzlars
kakobrekla: i forgot, do you use buttstamp too? if so i have sort of an exploit for their so called trading engine
adlai is placing offers in the book, not market orders
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ofc | Used in Instant Messaging for Of Course (Of Fucking Course if in all caps). " John121: u going to the movie tomorrow?" "Alex33: ofc". by MisterEgo October 09 , ...
kakobrekla: <adlai> depends what's at hand < anyway not helping, ofc you will take whats at hand. if not there, not even the army can take.
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 04:33:41; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'Явка с повинной облегчает совесть и удлиняет срок.' (ru. jailhouse proverb: 'a guilty plea lightens your conscience and lengthens your sentence.')
adlai: decimation: i'm not a lawyer, but i gather from conversations with them that it's a matter of *precisely* documenting the net p/l and paying tax on that
decimation: I wouldn't mind trying to run a trade bot but it would involve much tax paperwork in the us
asciilifeform: adlai: let me guess, your machine relies on actually moving the market ?
adlai: sure, this is possible to implement. that doesn't mean the answers are relevant.
asciilifeform: adlai: when i laboured under the delusion that i could write a useful trading automaton, i found it simple enough to 'trade' with imaginary btc, gold, etc.
kakobrekla: adlai curious, whats the min youd take?
mod6: perhaps what i can do here, is take the copy of the blockchain that i tried to sync day-before yesterday (copied @ ~160000 blocks) and use gdb to try to see what's going on with that that block
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ben_vulpes: Disclosure: Although the event was closed to the media, I was invited by the founders of Nexus, Jonah Wittkamper and Rachel Cohen Gerrol, to report on the conference as a member of the family that started the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceutical company. << woo hoo hoo
mircea_popescu: nono i mean the site specifically.
asciilifeform: i dislike the sugar-coated 'nice' pastebins for this reason
asciilifeform: how pastebin crept back in << rough substitute for the shortwave station we don't have
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that. < dpaste btw
mircea_popescu: "when the FBI tackled Ulbricht in the Library with the Laptop Forensics Toolkit" << also, partition encryption werks!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> let's ask BingoBoingo how sport aficionados feel re: 'fixed' matches in sports where this is not customary << Actual fraud. One the other hand horrifically mismatched team (happens a lot in college where small schools will get paid by larger schools to play a game the larger school anticipates winning) can be loads of fun. Especially when the school paid to play wins.
mircea_popescu: anyway, so obama gets 100 rich kids together to inquire about soft capital confiscation. turns out the kids don't mind.
mircea_popescu: The well-heeled group seemed receptive. I think its fantastic, said Patrick Gage, a 19-year-old heir to the multibillion-dollar Carlson hotel and hospitality fortune. Ive never seen anything like this before. Mr. Gage is an industry leader in enforcing measures to combat trafficking and involuntary prostitution.
mircea_popescu: jurov: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-pirate-bay-is-an-fbi-honeypot << that usg agitprop runs this about tpb after a year of studiously ignoring http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ seems the best street cred for current day tpb.
mircea_popescu: in ro in the 90s*
mircea_popescu: o, that they did in the 90s too. local dialup isp almost always being "three or four of the cooler kids in that neighbourhood"
cazalla: mircea_popescu: phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ? <<< popular thing in australia, or at least was back in 90s, early 2000s
mircea_popescu: then answer to "i'm looking to rent" is "best value for money i got is this, best all around property is this, which you want ?"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phillipsjk: the birds here - not very enthusiastically. hence the infestation << New birds essentially. Also Replacing favorable trees with less so. Liberal amounts of poisoin too.
ben_vulpes: granted, the first parts downright stupid
mircea_popescu: if oyu don't know what the center of the town is or that you live in a shithole, you should go back to highschool.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: natural questions for their business models, neh?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (why? ask them) << usg looking for zero days as well :)
mircea_popescu: cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes specifically, they wanted to know "what zones im interested in" and "what my budget is".
assbot: The Pirate Bay Is an FBI Honeypot: a Disconcertingly Plausible Conspiracy Theory | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMEsKo )
jurov: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-pirate-bay-is-an-fbi-honeypot-a-disconcertingly-plausible-conspiracy-theory
pete_dushenski: i get the picture
asciilifeform not a scholar of the subject
pete_dushenski: similar to who wants to be a millionaire? or the same ?
asciilifeform: or, famously, the first television 'game show' - '64,000 dollar question' (usa) was famously discovered, in its day, to be fixed
asciilifeform: that's the effect meritwash has on the participants (the 'extras' in the film, naturally. the pre-ordained winners - laugh all the way to the bank.)
pete_dushenski: are there such sports ?
pete_dushenski: (for the kids with no shot)
asciilifeform: inheritance doesn't create a gigantic circus where millions of fools think they have a shot at being an heir
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: as i tried to explain to mircea_popescu, 'merit wash' is a rather distinct animal from ordinary inheritance
pete_dushenski: (and many others too, i'm sure)
asciilifeform: the most pathetic aspect is when civilians become afflicted with the delusion of 'i can haz some too'
asciilifeform: (not necessarily direct relation - son in law, etc. will do in a pinch. as there's plenty of printed money to go around)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: but more generally, applies to the sv vc crapolade. i.e. why does mr schmuck get 100 megabezzlars for schmuckatron? because he's the son/nephew/catamite of one of the vultures who feasted on the corpse of fairchild semi, at&t (pre-breakup), etc.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: it's quite the little game those kids play
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: philanthropists article << precisely them
phillipsjk: I think birds eat them.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the part of the world where i live is plagued with, among other insects, a type of caterpillar that devours trees wholesale. every spring, gigantic hives (?) - nests with webbing - appear, and when they're full, you can almost see them pulsate, pulsate << Used to be bigger problem here. Then they were largely defeated
gribble: The operation succeeded.