scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/the-superfish-funder-list/
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: it reeks of wankery at this point, but eulora is the only btc-only game in town << srsly.
jurov: mats, i got only dead links there
mats: http://overthewire.org/wargames/blacksun/reading_material.html some exploitation writeups
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2014 11:58:12; mats_cd03: fun fact: a piece of lenovo windows crapware downloads an xml file over http then downloads and executes windows platform-specific binary.
mats: Fun fact: Lenovo has been shipping adware for years, with silent remote upgrades over HTTP. Adding a MITM cert is their idea of being less intrusive than showing popup ads during powerpoint presentations.
saifedean: and it is now posted here: http://capitalism.columbia.edu/files/ccs/Saifedean%20Ammous_Working%20Paper%2085_Energy%20Systems%20and%20the%20Knowledge%20Problem.pdf
saifedean: so our conversation last time has gotten me to dig up the old heretic PhD and clean it up into a shorter readable paper with most the interesting bits
ben_vulpes: it reeks of wankery at this point, but eulora is the only btc-only game in town
cazalla: thestringpuller, ah so more a kickstarter than an actual game
thestringpuller: cazalla: "To get the in-game economy going, EverdreamSoft plans to sell 70,000,000 BitCrystals, which is the premium currency used in Spells of Genesis to forge card packs or new items." << sounds like ethereum nonsense
cazalla: thestringpuller, what's wrong with using it for a card game like hearthstone?
thestringpuller: http://venturebeat.com/2015/02/19/bitcoin-can-get-you-illegal-drugs-but-a-game-developer-is-using-it-to-redefine-digital-ownership/ << these niggas never learn
pete_dushenski: then 30 years later: "i never said that, but it sounds like me!"
decimation: another good one from the same podcast: " A man named Northly[?] came--he was the Executive Vice President of the North Carolina Peanut Association. Wonderful guy. He stood up as this conference was ending, and he said, 'Let me tell you about the peanut program. There's only two people in America who understand how the peanut program works. It's my job to keep it that way.'"
decimation: the real reason is because of politics; and we're going to get to that in a second. But the person had to say something. He couldn't just say, 'Because I'm politically important.' Or, 'My state is politically important.' Or whatever it was. So, he said,' Well, milk is special.' And the Senator, who was not from a milk state, said,' Why?' And the witness had a problem there. He had to think of something. So he said, 'Well, milk's bulky.'
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/daniel_sumner_o.html > "I just have to mention that I once saw a hearing on this on TV and I was paying attention, for a while, because I thought this would be good for my class; ... But the high point of this, which made it all worthwhile, was one of the Senators asked the milk person why milk was treated so differently from every other product. And there was an awkward silence. And of course
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there are many fluids at a dairy farm, even if only one is packaged for sale
ben_vulpes: there are all kinds of fluids in that gif
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/1635233428e38f163e5fcbc6147ed52c/tumblr_nct5qyru8Y1s9l8ylo2_400.gif
mircea_popescu: rf even dancing against law - early practice only makes me be an anti-fascist. The other hand, is difficult to measure the success of the courageous campaign of the DGB youth in Dortmund: "No sex with Nazis." And possibly mix different motivations in Berlin Initiative "According to fuck each law."
mircea_popescu: The repertoire is considerable: There is the rock against law and rapping against the Right, of course, sing and cry against law, but also against the right costumes and football games against law. The "Green Youth" in Hamburg regularly invites to "Celebrate against law," a political deal, which is by the way very well received by young people, and the children of the class 7b of Augustin-Wibbelt High School in Warendo
mircea_popescu: In addition, anti-fascism was never to have as cheap as today. Previously, he could cost you your life, today it costs no more than lip service among peers - and heard to this, the exclusive circle of the upright, decent, brave. The fighters against law form the peerage of enlightened society. Or even a shot polemical: Here is an indulgence trade takes place; the moral superiority can be acquired simply by joining the
decimation: of course, the fact that no actual nazis exist (nor the fact that nearly every modern german has a nazi ancestor) doesn't stop them from using it to prop up their vote-banks
decimation: the modern germans have become a parody of a parody of an anti-nazi poster
asciilifeform: ^ there's got to be some kind of 'parody event horizon crossing' prize this could win.
decimation: "Und das jährliche Turnier „Golf gegen Rechts“ hat sich um den „New Golf Award 2015“ beworben. Ausgezeichnet werden dabei die innovativsten Ideen für ein neues Golf-Turnier." < the annual "golf against the rightists" tournament has been awared the "new golf award 2015" for the most innovative idea for a new golf tournament.
decimation: "Jeder, der ein rohes Hühnerei in die Demo wirft, darf sich einmal fühlen wie Stauffenberg im Kampf gegen Hitler - doch der Vergleich hinkt: Stauffenberg war ja auch irgendwie Rechts, oder?" < Anyone who throws a raw egg in the demonstration may once feel like Stauffenberg in the fight against Hilter - but the comparison is misleading - Stauffenberg was kind of a rightist [Nazi, fascist] too?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: glad you liked it
decimation: for even more ancient warez, you might as well reinvent the original stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5P5faf7478
mircea_popescu: they prolly should wotify jus' in case...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.aholme.co.uk/Mk1/Architecture.htm << example of modern discrete logic machine. (there are many. common amateur project. but, afaik, nothing remotely large enough for, e.g., a bitcoin node.)
asciilifeform: the only true 'acid test' is an actual hardfork.
asciilifeform: depending on how much self-restraint the idiots have, it may even turn out that all usg-sponsored miners will run (or claim to run) 0.10
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/gchq-pcs-harvesting-intercept-15-0219.pdf << the thing behind the sim card lulzies earlier today
ben_vulpes: nevermind the radon and bacterial buildup that closed reservoirs entail
ben_vulpes: mike_c, decimation: the feds and CH2MHILL are going to cover our historic open reservoirs.
decimation: http://www.brunel-museum.org.uk/shop2/the-brunels-tunnel/ << Herr Brunel dug underneath the filth to achieve one of his great engineering feats
decimation: minerals, and poisons used in mechanics and manufacture, enriched with the putrefying carcases of beasts and men, and mixed with the scourings of all the wash-tubs, kennels and common sewers within the bills of mortality." (5)"
decimation: http://forums.canadiancontent.net/history/48176-18th-century-london-its-daily.html < " In 1771, Tobias Smollet wrote, "If I would drink water, I must quaff the mawkish contents of an open aqueduct, exposed to all manner of defilement, or swallow that which comes from the River Thames, impregnated with all the filth of London and Westminster. Human excrement is the least offensive part of the concrete, which is composed of all the drugs,
ben_vulpes: that's the rationale, right?
ben_vulpes: less the children of tomorrow not get it
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> jesus this free speech thing i can't even force a point beyond all reason without you people oppressing my metaphordisphoria << it's for the logs :P
decimation: asciilifeform: you gonna mine the seafloor for Pt?
asciilifeform: what -is- relatively new is the near-total loss of access to actual food for quite a few folks.
asciilifeform: the encyclopaedia i mentioned earlier today (1872) contained innumerable recipes for useful things, but also for faux honey, sham ass's milk (yes), and a thousand other fakeries
decimation: asciilifeform: the vendors aren't really trying to mimic the genuine article. << no, they optimize on 'sales'
asciilifeform: but one could argue that at a certain point it is an irresistible temptation to the sc4mz0rz, rather than guarantee of genuine article
trinque: plenty of excellent microbrew in the pac NW
decimation: asciilifeform: one way or another, iatrogenic. you can take that to the bank. << who knows, maybe it comes from giving out antibiotics like candy
ben_vulpes: the delta between ye olde mass markete pricing and the locally made swill is on the order of 200-300%
mircea_popescu: well, put it another way : if tax was paid on it it necessarily sucks, because well... it couldn't not suck and stay competitive.
mike_c: who puts a goddamn forward slash in their nick
ben_vulpes: to all of the ex-californians, a french fry is a french fry is a french fry.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] there is the occasional shop that's competent, but by and large the label offers no protection. << nice thing about growing up proximate to actual farm land worked by actual humans is the learned skill of being able to nix Cisco-vendors after a single visit.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] the fizzy drinks and synthetic beers have been around longer than autism, though. << what on earth is synthetic beer!?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] pollution is my guess. << "you don't need to make up and over fit models to convince me that the silicon fabrication process is realrealreal bad for life on planet earth"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: everyone and their custom phrasing
asciilifeform: but notions like the above, that actually trace descent to late pre-atomic state of the art
ben_vulpes: there are always those water-fueled cars...
asciilifeform: 'Platinum - also called platina is the heaviest substance but one (see No. 47) known, having a specific gravity of fully 21, which may be raised to about 21.5 by hammering.' - Encyclopaedia of Practical Receipts and Processes. William B. Dick, 1872. << mega-vintage-l0l
asciilifeform: re: autism pollutant: when i tell folks that north kr is a unique planetary resource whose (very likely) disappearance could turn out to be an extinction-level catastrophe - they make monkey noises
mircea_popescu: call me when they fill up a ranch with young fillies collected from detroit. then they may be rich in the feudal sense of powerful.
mircea_popescu: "But it's the wealth gap that we should be worried about, soon to be greatly increased. Wealth gaps mean feudalism. They mean, on the one hand, universal healthcare-- everyone gets the same; on the other hand, flow chart medicine-- since everyone gets the same, let's just make a flowchart. It also means mental health parity, which is really a way to funnel the poor into the only outlet we have to deal with their rage
asciilifeform: puts some light on why there will never be an 'underhanded ada' contest.
assbot: Programming in the Small: C/C++/Java Pitfalls & Ada Benefits - Franco Gaspe... ... ( http://bit.ly/17igBGT )
asciilifeform: http://www.slideserve.com/saber/programming-in-the-small-c-c-java-pitfalls-ada-benefits << interesting - for aficionados of 'underhanded c' also
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the poloplug ranch http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwh6sgckoV1qa258ao1_1280.jpg
cazalla: http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/ohp-hep-A-media-1-frozen-berry.htm of course, people are now calling for proper labelling but apparently no can do due to trade agreements, guess people must eat their shit berries and be content
asciilifeform: they're fairly low-tech
cazalla: this food talk reminds me of current hysteria of hepatitis a laden frozen berries from china doing the rounds here in australia, many people such, much surprise for some reason.. while on holidays, i spot the same shit in my parents freezer, advise em that they might not wanna eat this but get met with abuse, you think you know everything response.. a month later, hep a scare! so sweet lulz
asciilifeform: and then,
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: you want to erase the nand, yes
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it goes right on top of the old uboot
mircea_popescu: there is the occasional shop that's competent, but by and large the label offers no protection.
asciilifeform: the ones who wouldn't be 'caught dead' at, e.g., 'mcdonald's'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whatever it is, u.s. folks from 'high society' obsessed with 'natural product' are getting their fair share of it - or more.
mircea_popescu: in practical terms, however, most people eat pre-produced stuff, either at home or in a "restaurant"
asciilifeform: this says nothing on the question of contaminants found in 'proper' food in same shop, but i did want to point out that the two fundamentally different things are shelved separately
asciilifeform: (aside from logo, geometrically regular packages with no expiration date or date in distant future, proximity to other similar products on the shelf, and - above all - cost closer to what one might expect of motor fuel than food)
asciilifeform: it is entirely clear to the naked eye (no need to open the seal) where the identical goop is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where i live, the synthetic food is conveniently shelved in another (by far largest) section of the store than the mostly-correct (to look, feel, and taste) variant
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: gotta use the util. described in the original article. it sets the ecc bits in the eeprom
mircea_popescu: immediately tasted the telltale bitter back of mouth aftertaste.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's certainly damned hard to fish through the soup currently.
asciilifeform: or so the perpetrator assumes.
asciilifeform: more general observation, one explanation of the american attitude to pollutants (the more the merrier) is that it is precisely for the same reason as poettering et al's attitude to software.
mircea_popescu: autism starts to move up just about the time warren buffett starts derping about how great wrigley is.
mircea_popescu: you imagine there's any difference between ANY fizzy drink ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no, i mean low value idiots who'd gladly suck our cock if only we a) didn't bang hotties and b) validated their self-hottie delusions.
asciilifeform: for instance, the california sv folks don't eat much 'kraft'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform folks should fight whatever war they feel like.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iatrogenic << nah, my money's on a yet unidentified pollutant from industrial practice. something in consumer products, from the shitty gelatin kraft/unilver uses as the basis of all their "products" - really flavoured goop, to soaps plastics w/e.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more along the lines of 'folks shouldn't stay and be sane back on the farm, there's a war on, go to the front'
asciilifeform: iirc i picked it from the built-in menuconfig thingie in uboot's build system
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the uboot source is pretty easy to build
asciilifeform: autism epidemiology << one way or another, iatrogenic. you can take that to the bank.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the actual jtag test points are small and gnarly, clustered around cpu. i'll get around to them some time..
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: pogo notes << shameful mistake on my part re: jtag pinouts. the soldered wires, turns out, actually lead to (useless to me) gpio pins, not jtag
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just as long as people act sanely, they're good enough << if they have no concept of the enemy, the latter can persuade them to 'act sanely' in a harmless - to him - direction, when it suits him
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: apparently guy thinks he needs all the pr he can get.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's kinda funny to me how many of these "online magazines" copied after the atlantic sprung up everywhere. they almost look like all the boost-baseds "bitcoin businesses", except they're driven by scammers who scam the dod instead of scammers who scam idiot bitcopiners.
PeterL: http://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/detroit/the-worst-suburbs-in-detroit a brief introduction to the Detroit area
PeterL: the city of Southfield is essentially one giant office park for companies who wanted to move offices out of the city
mircea_popescu: Adlai nope. because once it's established they'd try to steal it and i'd have to go to war and massaacre them.
PeterL: usually they also charge 1/2 the income tax to people who work in the city but live elsewhere
Adlai: you should start a tax-free residential office park right outside the official city limits
PeterL: a couple other cities in MI also have 1%, but most don't have any
PeterL: State passed a law because Detroit begged them to, Lansing charges 1%
mircea_popescu: nopbody told city hall "dudes, stfu and mind the parking meters" ?
mircea_popescu: how does a city even have the fucking authority to make an income tax ?!
mircea_popescu: obviously. but there's still more error checking in the uterus than in the space program.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: "made to fail once it no longer can work" << these are not binary
PeterL: but it's the taxes that kill you, you pay 4k+/yr property tax for these cheap houses, and city income tax of 2.5% (suburbs have no income tax)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field: no, it works in the sense that the folks in control, are still amply supplied with whores and blow << neiother of these are either rare, ahrd to get or particularly useful/desirable.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: so I'm looking at houses near some of the jobs I'm applying for, I know I really don't want to live inside Detroit, but 15k for a 4br/2ba house seems tempting << it's the end of days i tell you, idiots here think 2br/1ba apts are 150k
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: La Serenissima's enemies are absolute. Once an enemy always an enemy. << actually... these "enemies" of ours are more like wanna-be girlfriends than anything.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: maybe somebody mistranslated a time unit somewhere along the way? << "but they translated the hebrew word for young woman to the greek word for nine months, and hence..."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: average age of childbirth goes up in america, all sorts of mental disfunctions go up in america. << except the machine is made to fail once it no longer can work.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: You might be thinking of Down's Syndrome, that has a higher occurrence in older mothers << yeah, that's proven. autism merely suspected.
mircea_popescu: s readily obvious why kids' want to be boys rather than girls at that age.
mircea_popescu: then the girls get tits and butts, and they can no longer lift themselves up for a kingdom
mircea_popescu: chetty i suspect it's one way but not the other for purely biological reasons. specifically : 9 yos can do the same number of pull-ups.
cazalla: chetty, i guess because i grew up knowing of some whereas the idea that a boy would think he is a girl was foreign to me until more recent years.. just an anecdote, but i see most of the boy to girl shit coming from sjw types, that's all
mircea_popescu: and then in school, three 4 year cycles of 1-3k kids each.
mircea_popescu: consequently, in the 1sqkm area that's the hunting grounds of one healthy boy, i literally knew, by sight, thousands of kids.
mircea_popescu: and to help everyone interested evaluate the above numeric claims : at the time in romania, housing was "allocated", to first time parents. so basically, you'd marry, play with the wife, once she missed a period you made a claim with your place of employment and ~1 year later they'd give you the keys to a new apartment. the density was maybe 1k / sqkm. i was a first born, but most families had two or more children - pl
mircea_popescu: i think i knew a grand total of maybe a dozen kids that'd be what you call confused. prolly more, but kept secret because at the time pretty stigmatic.
chetty: I dont doubt the uptick is partly a matter of fashion and names, but it doesnt explain it all, something else is going on there
cazalla: at least that is my experience overhearing mothers talk
cazalla: the 90s gave us so many adhd kids that it was no longer fashionable.. the new fashion with autism is that one can pronounce that their kid is "on the spectrum" as if it makes them somewhat special
mircea_popescu: for that matter, autism went in the supplemental fascicle of infantile pathology, with spina bifida et all horrors.
mircea_popescu: and i'd have heard *something* about the particular weirdness.
mircea_popescu: as a kid growing up, i had contact with... thousands, prolly at the outset 10k kids. in the sense of actually having seen them with mine own eyes.
mircea_popescu: mmm, but i would remember the cases, see. not a matter of calling.
PeterL: the people now being called autistic, they would have been called something different back then?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: <decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << isn't the best way to achieve this to have kids while the womb in question is young, flexible and healthy and the sperms ibid? << i am willing to bet no, because autism was virtually unknown weh i was a kid, and old women had plentry of kids back then
mircea_popescu: otherwise, ponzi in a vacuum does not fail.
mircea_popescu: NewLiberty: A made to fail ponzi << a ponzi only fails because there's an actual monetary unit to compare against.
mircea_popescu: that's pretty clear. why do they think they can cut themselves up like they were barbie dolls however, that's mysterious.
mircea_popescu: there actually exist these completely insane people going around injecting industrial grade silicone straight into "customers"
mircea_popescu: chetty sadly that world's being "revealed" about every other year.
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2015 15:36:09; kakobrekla: i wonder what goes longer way towards 'inclusiveness', the big blocks or cheap nodes
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it is not enough that folks fork, they must understand -why- they fork, and who the enemy is << would not go that far, personally. just as long as people act sanely, they're good enough.
mircea_popescu: the things pete_dushenski causes.
mircea_popescu: they should have a bash.
ascii_field: danke thestringpuller
ascii_field: imagine if folks went to war as they go to 'mosh pit'
ascii_field: for reliably swinging in the correct direction - absolutely required.
ascii_field: quite a few people have not made the conceptual leap to seeing the malice behind the incompetence
ascii_field: it is not enough that folks fork, they must understand -why- they fork, and who the enemy is
thestringpuller: #devuan joins the party
PeterL: mod6 or ben_vulpes: on http://thebitcoin.foundation/index.html the header extends off the right side of the screen (on my machine), could you make it use a smaller font so it fits inside the window?
ascii_field: nor would any process that relies on their site staying up, be of use to our cause
ascii_field: i certainly did not use their idiot 'registration' thing
ascii_field: danielpbarron: not only, but i said what that way is on the day i mentioned 'pogo' here for the first time
mircea_popescu: o wow, look at that, they have an irc even.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: it is organic drug you put in someone's drink to kidnap them
mircea_popescu: if the source of a traffic spike is directly identifiable (X site linking) vs if it's not (various sites linking)
trinque: ascii_field: that's what the portland residents will be put atop
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: interesting. an "organic" spike. << yeah, the thing's definitely starting to pull its own weight.
trinque: thestringpuller: lol
gribble: trinque was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 hours, 48 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <trinque> two generations out of a high child mortality rate and people think they're bulletproof
mircea_popescu: mike_c: anybody ever use https://www.eurodns.com << i think i got something thourhg them a few years ago. nothing terrible.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez: if I say not at all, it's like I didn0t make it in their eyes, im missing out on being part of the foundation << lol muricans gotta muricate.
mircea_popescu: then like!
mircea_popescu: no the ttl.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you can layer them
ascii_field: gotta match the refresh upper bounds
mircea_popescu: like in thefucking old days #2
mircea_popescu: so the one day you need moar memory ? YOU BORROW SOME
mircea_popescu: im not saying it's new. im saying it is time to get home computing out of the 1950s .
mircea_popescu: imagine alf! a memory scheme which allows you to shoot at the memory units, and add more as you wish without kernel panic.
mircea_popescu: make the chips hotswappable, too, by default.
mircea_popescu: memory = disk, like in the good old days.
mircea_popescu: ok. so then make a sane addressing scheme, and put a controller in and that's that.
mircea_popescu: as in, replace the controller.
ascii_field: none of the contemplated processes threaten to give you anything like '80s micro capacity
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the one utterly unsolved problem is ram
assbot: Logged on 19-02-2015 11:57:09; brendafdez: Having the adware preinstalled sort of spares the user the time and ensures they get a consistent experience with a box compromised from the get go. It's an integral part of the user experience, they wouldn't feel right without the bloat and the ads.
mircea_popescu: most of which don't even exist like coinmelon (refered to by mp as coinmuon bc of the sign at the doorbell) << ahahaha wut, wait, the mystery is demystified ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: if that's the object, can use ttl 74xxxx logic
mircea_popescu: we want to kill the ip-in-product thing first, then the rest is unsustainable/can't mount any resistance.
mircea_popescu: as long as the industiral output you use holds no ip, it's good.
ascii_field: otherwise it's an exercise in pashtun kalash-making
mircea_popescu: understand : reversing the secular trend from "Factory" to "household" is worth pretty much any sacrifice.
mircea_popescu: people would do it like they hunt for pokemons
mircea_popescu: in our case, if 1% of the sheets are printed correctly, we're golden
mircea_popescu: what i mean is : currently, the fabs regard a printer that ruins 1% of the sheets as disastrous.
mircea_popescu: jurov: if it's possible to place 4 such transistors on mm2 then z80 would fit into 20cm2 << this, basically, is my point. 20 sqcm is not really a big deal. and the number of people who might do it just to play the original Chaos on their pet rock is not negligible.
mircea_popescu: jurov: lol good discussion started from the z80. now, what if we start with piece of germanium/galena/carborundum/whatever << si carbide prolly most promising, or maybe some particular graphite formulations.
ascii_field: (if you have a mechanical drive connected, that's another matter)
ascii_field: danielpbarron: ought to survive a fall from airplane. there is nothing shock-sensitive inside.
ascii_field: either stooge or a direct useful idiot of one
pete_dushenski: otherwise, without new taxes or program cuts, not possible
ascii_field: 'Apps like TextSecure and Silent Text are secure alternatives to SMS messages, while Signal, RedPhone and Silent Phone encrypt voice communications. ' << finally the mask falls off, and we know that a usg muppet wrote that article.
ascii_field: no, it works in the sense that the folks in control, are still amply supplied with whores and blow
pete_dushenski: but i guess the usg is just a marketing machine at this point
ascii_field: to peddle the notion that the sim keys matter for any purpose whatsoever is either the act of a complete illiterate on the subject, or a usg stooge.
pete_dushenski: doesn't even seem like there's room to make it easier to intercept
pete_dushenski: so why bother changing it ?
ascii_field: there is no meaningful crypto between endpoints and this is mandatory, by design
pete_dushenski: 'and we'll help to write new regulations which we'll then abide by'
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: all mobile phones use toy crypto - and, as if this were not enough, call is carried as plaintext on the telco wire in the end
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, yeah there is some trace of "but 3G and 4G networks are more secure" message in that piece
pete_dushenski: if they went down that road
ascii_field: precisely the usg message.
ascii_field: the press, rancid mixture of stooges and useful idiots, help to push the implication that 'now we can switch to keys that have not yet been stolen, and no more interception'