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mircea_popescu: the only thing that's blatantly ridiculous is that beck forgot to mention where he got it
mircea_popescu: "Here's one that even The Onion would reject as too blatantly ridiculous: American right-wing radio and TV clown Glenn Beck believes that Sean Smith aka Vile Rat, the EVE Online diplomat who was killed earlier this month during the attack on the US embassy in Benghazi, was actually a CIA agent, relaying communications to his fellow undercover agents at Something Awful."
ascii_field: not a guarantee of defeat, sure, but machines are exactly as 'loyal' as their operator is clever and conscientious - men are not.
ascii_field: humans-in-the-loop is what -every single person nailed by usg so far- had in common.
mircea_popescu: no, like, get them to thing it's their bf.
ascii_field: interact with the girls ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field see, this is how i distinguish a genius geek from a simple geek : the latter programs computer to interact with him. the former, to interact with the girls.
danielpbarron: oo speaking of which; if you want to knock someone offline for a spell, open up webchat to b-a from their ip :D
thestringpuller: not "jerome" either ;p
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not senator.
mircea_popescu: their flesh.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: aren't there still political factors involved calling up senator to deliver shipping container of benjies to you?
mircea_popescu: remember, any systematic weaponry can be turned around the operator.
ascii_field: now we have human flesh in the loop
mircea_popescu: so pick up nomenklatura daughters, have them do it for you.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes. and this one of the very few reliable auto-tipoffs available to the gasenwagen
ascii_field: or through anything other than an american bank
ascii_field: at the risk of repeating myself, my rent, for example, is ~2k/mo, and not under any circumstances payable in cash
mircea_popescu: there exist people, and not just in florida, who can get you a pellet of usd 100 notes on a half day notice.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the guy's 11k are NOT a crate of dollars. barely one brick.
pete_dushenski: and the risk of getting jacked for 11k should be zero
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: then you're dealing with smaller amounts ?
ascii_field: aha. the only thing the hypothetical crate would do is get me moved up a few spots in gassing queue if it got out
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: as is the nature of "becoming known" to a plug so you can re-up in the future.
pete_dushenski: sort of shit or get off the pot
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: seems like this fringes thing is a fence-sitting
ascii_field: they might as well be bricks of Pu
ascii_field: for folks who aren't subjects of us, try the mindfuck on for size: if a crate of benjamins were to drop from the sky into my yard, there is literally nothing game-changingly useful that i could do with them
mircea_popescu: because why bother, when you can just wail and wait for tit.
mircea_popescu: just, you know, "consumers have come to expect". and they will die with that "expectation".
mircea_popescu: neither's problematic really.
mircea_popescu: and the people who aren't don't exist anyway.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski> thestringpuller: you can't use bitstamp ? or bitcoin-otc ? or one of those schmancy atms ? << it's bs, all of it. people can trade ~infinity btc/usd without any problems PROVIDED THEYRE IN THE WOT
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: ok, depends on the quantity and your ability to discern dood from secret agent man
PeterL: thestringpuller: first line of your article, s/a place where transactions/a place where transactions happen
mircea_popescu: ascii_field> mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and then << the general concept being that people will find themselves under so much pressure as the thing advances, that marginals (ie, people who depend on paychecks etc) are prolly in a very weak position to participate anyway.
NewLiberty: The cop should be in the cell next to him
danielpbarron: while the mugger is at it he should get the victim to sign over deed to house and car
danielpbarron: i don't get who would actually type in his password at gunpoint -- or, yet another reason to not do bitcoin from a smart phone
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: either way, it's not illegal to sell btc, no special id required
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Kerouac's On The Road: The 50th Anniversary Of A Book I Had Not Read ... ( http://bit.ly/19KDnsu )
mircea_popescu: motherfucker this guy totally beat me to the punch reviewing kerouac.
pete_dushenski: that's the difference
pete_dushenski: it's basically the transportation to and from the shop, requiring "ex-military sekurity"
thestringpuller: yes the inventory for coin is simpler to manage but risk of gun in face is still apparent for anything valuable...
pete_dushenski: ape the gun sellers
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i'm saying that a physical presence is simpler to manage for a digital asset than a physical one
assbot: Seals with Clubs, the first Bitcoin poker room, shuts down. Funds are still safe. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/19KBU5r )
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: the cannabis example is irrelevant because of the precise physicality of the item
danielpbarron: they can't use escrow?
thestringpuller: because the footprint is small
danielpbarron: people who aren't in the WoT should be concerned first with .. getting in the WoT
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: I personally use bitcoin-otc but that's only because I have trusted people to sell me coin. For someone on fringes of this footprint who needs local fulfillment this creates the risk of "trapping".
danielpbarron: well at least i'm in the fortunate position of getting my fiat stuff done in one heavy time period, leaving the rest of the year open
thestringpuller: but the difference in resulting violence is great
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: see the difference in mitigated risk between the overbearing nature of War on Drugs in state such a Virginia or Texas, vs say Colorado or Washington in regards to cannabis shops. Yes the risk involved in transit (large sums of money between shop and "bank", and transit of goods being guarded by ex military sekurity)
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: you can't use bitstamp ? or bitcoin-otc ? or one of those schmancy atms ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and then when we start hiring, we hire slaves, like anyone hiring << simply wanted to point out that all of the #b-a projects (with possible exception of kakobrekla's work) are powered a hundred percent by the fiat economy's surplus - that is, free hours of various folks involved - and to some extent are at the mercy of their day job fortunes (see, e.g., the demise of moiety)
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: re: War on Drug << We can't buy Bitcoin without the help of Coinbase, or submitting to enemy's wishes, so alternative is to hit the streets. This is similar if not exact mentality of aspiring drug dealer wanting his own corner.
ascii_field: danielpbarron: you could find the bug in the netbsd ramdisk build script as well as i could
ascii_field: danielpbarron: the netbsd kernel and userland are sufficiently compact (vs linux) to make this a worthwhile exercise
ascii_field: danielpbarron: at present time there is no support whatoever for the eeprom in netbsd. this means that it can be used, but only if the userland (yes, all of it) is baked into a ramdisk baked into the kernel (which in turn is loaded by uboot in one shot at powerup)
ascii_field: danielpbarron: see if you are able to set up the cross-compile system (netbsd carries its own) on your box
danielpbarron: is "in-ram" the eeprom thing?
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 03:22:43; asciilifeform: nubbins`: what state's your beast in now << stuck on crafting the ramdisk (in-ram root fs) for netbsd. as of a week ago. haven't the time, presently, to do anything
mircea_popescu: i dunno man. that 11k the guy reported lost would have paid 1year rent + hardening measures.
pete_dushenski: or cost of the odd gunpoint robbery
pete_dushenski: the cost of business is borne either way
pete_dushenski: you could be selling an ipad and have the same thing happen
pete_dushenski: meeting people on the street to sell things will always bear this risk, regs or no regs
pete_dushenski: there are (were?) in fact a few such operations in canada
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: these brokers could have a physical shop
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: "The overbearing regulatory climate in the US for exchanging fiat for Bitcoin seems to have similar consequences as its War on Drugs." << curious how you get here logically
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: well, for some blogs...
thestringpuller: ah yes. danielpbarron it seems that way for the all the links
danielpbarron: acutally it looks like all the urls are broken
danielpbarron: " speculation of the dangers of trapping " << url broken
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/02/the-dangers-of-bitcoin-trapping/
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 16:07:02; dignork: danielpbarron: me either, but most players assume that bots are evil, hence all this bot-hunting madness
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-02-2015#1025966 << true pretty much in any context... they take our jobs!
saifedean: if the thing could produce more joules than it consumes, it wouldn't need so much bezzle to keep it running
saifedean: in fact, if you think about it, you can't really even calculate a subsidy per joule, since the moronic process probably consumes more energy than it produces, so the more subsidies, the more joules are wasted!
mircea_popescu: (in the case of ethanol in the us, include ALL agricultural subsidies, not just the direct for ethanol stuff)
mircea_popescu: saifedean a particularly interesting metric, other than the 5.5bn eu / 6.5 bn us (which by now is more like 10 anyway), would be subsidy per joule.
mircea_popescu: aha. Preliminaiy version: do not quote without author permission. << ironically, only typo is in the warning
nubbins`: i doubt he stopped checking the forum ;p
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> if there's one lesson bitcoin teaches people mercilessly... << exactly. "if you don;t know the owner, the thing doesn;t exist". exactly contrary to how the us currently works, all impersonal and "it's our policy" and bs.
assbot: The New White Flight - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1DAMKYg )
nubbins`: if there's one lesson bitcoin teaches people mercilessly...
danielpbarron: not that they don't have a cash game option, but it would let players rebuy without any accounting, which made linking to bitcoin impossible
danielpbarron: the reason the pokerstars homegame thing didn't work out so well is we could only do tournaments; there was no way to do cash games
mike_c: ok, i'll reserve comment until then. and you're a teleologist.
mircea_popescu: the problem with teleologists is that they misstate both the problem and the solution.
mike_c: the sites already solve that. i know my friend's nicks and i can play with them if i want.
mircea_popescu: i also don't see how email will ever get enough interest if the only problem it solves ios "we'll save you the 9.95 a plastic maibox costs"
danielpbarron: weekly can be daily when we don't have to drive miles to get to the game
mike_c: mircea_popescu: not teleology, I just don't see how a poker site gets enough traffic if the only problem it solves is "we'll host your weekly poker game".
danielpbarron: my recommendation to Micon wasn't even to bar access based on WoT, but to just give players option to link to WoT identity so that I can make the determination myself
mike_c: idk, i am unconvinced. of course, we are assuming the solution here which mp hasn't specified.
danielpbarron: mike_c, you don't play with strangers, unless they are vouched for by someone you know
mike_c: no, that's the problem. more like 1mm.
nubbins`: <+danielpbarron> "if the pre-req for chatting on irc is being in the WoT, the chat is gonna suck" <<< *cough*
mike_c: dignork: over the long long long term only.
mike_c: yeah "meant". otherwise it fails as business
danielpbarron: if you suspect someone is cheating, do you want to play with them?
dignork: mike_c: you don't have to neg-rate them, just abn them from poker site
danielpbarron: "if the pre-req for chatting on irc is being in the WoT, the chat is gonna suck"
dignork: BingoBoingo: they don't, so you have one dude faking bot's responses for 10s of them.
mike_c: looks no different from the nuts who don't use bots and multi-table ridiculously
mircea_popescu: also they don't have boobs.
BingoBoingo: Anyways the problem with bots in poker is they don't respond appropriately when you are drinking and talking shit at the table
nubbins`: if the pre-req for playing is being in the WoT, the games are gonna suck
mircea_popescu: mike_c also, they play limit headsup, which... nobody plays.
danielpbarron: all of this is a moot point anyway if the pre-requisite for playing is being in the WoT
mike_c: but, this argument aside, the point of bringing it up - does your solution handle the bot problem?
mircea_popescu: mike_c a bot that knows the distribution tables really well has an edge. sure.
mike_c: a bot's winrate can be bumped up by collusion, but it is far from the biggest factor in its success or failure
danielpbarron: for the sake of argument, say heads up is broken; no heads up!
mike_c: you think you can beat it, there are machines in vegas where you can play against it for real money
danielpbarron: solved as in a mathematical proof?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: gladly suck our cock if only we a) didn't bang hotties and b) validated their self-hottie delusions. << These are usually the girls who start false accusing despite being squelched.
mike_c: what's the emoticon for sticking a tongue out?
mircea_popescu: look, i saw the al\berta thing
mircea_popescu: but if you want a statistical model, play with someone like this : three cards face up, two in the hole for you, two in the hole for them, a ten card window for them you can't see.
mike_c: that is not what makes bots win. it simply gives bots a small bump over what their skill would be otherwise.
mircea_popescu: mike_c collusion and bots are different topics. however, because collusion offers a small but systematic bonus, it's what makes bots always win. in the .5 to 1.5% range, depending.
mike_c: because my whole point was bots are the problem, not collusion.
nubbins`: but they also didn't hash passwords, instead opting to store them in plain text
mike_c: to be clear, are you the site operator or just some other player running these bots?
dignork eagerly waits for the day when there will be a discovery on diddles bios on Lenovo
assbot: The Superfish Funder List | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DAGe3I )
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Don't worry Draper's been Indicted http://qntra.net/2015/02/the-superfish-funder-list/
mike_c: then who the fuck is it making money off of?
nubbins`: i taught my roomie about CAs yesterday using them as an example
mircea_popescu: mike_c the.bot.fills.all.the.tables.
mircea_popescu: why "avg" ? you always fill the table. why "80" ? bot plays all the tables. all of them.
dignork: danielpbarron: me either, but most players assume that bots are evil, hence all this bot-hunting madness
danielpbarron: if someone's in the WoT and they want a bot to play for them, I say go for it
nubbins`: this is one of the nicer pieces of kit i've picked up over years of outdoorsyness:
danielpbarron: dignork, i don't see what the problem is with a bot that doesn't collude
dignork: danielpbarron: most bots do not collude - they make more money on the long run by playing with fish on small stakes. But yes, theoretically they could collude. It's just they are more profitable when they are not.
mircea_popescu: unless they were looking at making an offline site o.O
mike_c: ok, so we're discussing online. where the profit margins and the rake are smaller
mike_c: No, I'm not. the profit margins both live and online are significantly affected by rake
mircea_popescu: live rake is not going to have 6 man collusion either, is it!
mircea_popescu: goes four about 30 cents these days, more or less.
dignork: mike_c: collusion is insignificat for a poker shop in financial means, it's a PR problem when discovered, and consequently the lose players/source of income.
mircea_popescu: yes, i pay more rake. that's there but not really significant.
mike_c: (and the house)
mike_c: to the winner
mike_c: you are paying 6x the blinds I am
mircea_popescu: i guess we go at this the other way then : we play poker, you see five + two cards, i see five + twelve cards.
danielpbarron: i'll gladly play against non-colluding bots any day; a bot can't out-bluff a real person; the whole point in having bots is that they share info with each other
danielpbarron: if the bots aren't colluding then it's not an issue
mike_c: collusion-free poker is nice, but I think bots are more the problem.
ben_vulpes: is anyone familiar with these white "ceramic" "nonstick" pans?
danielpbarron: i think i still have the code lying around somewhere; i'll try to find it
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron how did this work then ?
danielpbarron: i also coded a thing that would simulate players having to learn each other's language by speaking to each other to build up understanding; had the effect where a group of friends could talk in long sentences that strangers couldn't understand; strangers would have to talk in very short lines like "yes" "no" "here" in order to understand each other
mircea_popescu: "The financial aid director at North Idaho College was arrested this month and fired for offering to trade scholarships for sex with a student. However, the student wasn't real.
mircea_popescu: that guy was probably doing them a favour, whoever they were.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants to go to college in north idaho.
danielpbarron: fwiw, i have actually coded things that worked before; I made my own minecraft plugin that used a database to keep track of credit/debt between players when they took items from chests / it broke when an update totally revamped the inventory control system and I abandoned it / also, it was java :/
ben_vulpes: the curve is full of these oom steps up in complexity
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the idea had crossed my mind
ben_vulpes returns to the rocket blueprints
mircea_popescu: well... not for them. nor should it be.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and then when we start hiring, we hire slaves, like anyone hiring. and then the slave-born cry and whine that "oh look, bitcoin's no better".
mircea_popescu: a decade later or w/e, the world can be as full of "i too could have been in" as it pleases, for all the good it'll do anyone.
mircea_popescu: early days of the republic are ALL ABOUT barriers to entry.
danielpbarron: people have actually been BUYING play chips that they cannot cash out
danielpbarron: a legit collusion free poker site would make a lot of money; seals wasn't dying for lack of players. they just all flocked to pokerstars play money where collusion was not profitable
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i need that like i need more women that'd date me if i paid them a salary for it.
asciilifeform dares to make the observation that more competent folks would turn out for these jobs if there was a possibility they might be able to live off such
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: The Seals release on the matter makes it seem he's clearly already decided on a course of action
mircea_popescu: he means well, but he doesn't have the tools to examine himself with.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron micon suffers from the dk problem.
asciilifeform: but the notion of releasing such a thing now, is a laugh.
danielpbarron: all the times i called into Micon's stupid podcast i was trying to get him to integrate the WoT
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i know why it's there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at the time this was put in, the blockchain was mb not gb.
mircea_popescu: hopefully this alleviates with better pogo density on the network.
asciilifeform again states for the record that the notion of running a proggy with unbounded memory consumption is a laugh
danielpbarron: even with the swap, it occasionally crashes
danielpbarron: also this is with 2 gigs of swap killing the drive
asciilifeform: thinking of other box
mircea_popescu: depends how it behaves towards the end.
danielpbarron: but this is on the systemd archlinux BS
danielpbarron: so about 1/8 of the way?
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:48:01; asciilifeform: next day, A calls again 'we found the spoons. but the stain on your reputation... it remains.'
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:47:31; asciilifeform: there is a related soviet joke. abramowitch (generic jew, not the oligarch) calls a friend who was over for dinner last night:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my construction (which obviously could be wrong) is that "the authorities" refuse to disclose it "citing privacy concerns"
mircea_popescu: they've really built the most hallucinant re-enaction of the soviets : the guy doesn't have the right to anything EXCEPT he has the right for no one to know how the government fucked him over.
asciilifeform: the court order presumably exists somewhere
asciilifeform: at any rate, the scandal described in the link is fantastic enough that one ought to ask for some public record suggesting it actually happened
mircea_popescu: probably after the rapture.
mircea_popescu: not that i mind the arrangement... but in absolute fairness it IS stupid as all fuck.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform then they wonder why they have to pay people immense sums to keep secrets that still don't, and i don't have to pay them anything other than "yeah, yeah, i'll stick it to those dudes".
mircea_popescu: that's the way this world works : normally adjusted individuals on the street, individuals who for whatever reason can't cope, in the coop.
pete_dushenski: typical "make the world conform to me so it's more fair"
asciilifeform: when napoleon is in the asylum - harmless
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked the stupid bitch. if she can't come to terms with the world she should stay in the asylum
mircea_popescu: they beleeted it ?!
BingoBoingo: Feed the comment spam to the RNG
mircea_popescu: "every hand can be a new post. and hwat, you password protect it, so there's security"
asciilifeform: chetty: more complicated. ploy to stave off genuine voice channel crypto indefinitely through 'aha see they foiled usg plot, go back to using traditional phone'
mircea_popescu: who thefuck is this again ?
mircea_popescu: "WizSec has been investigating the MtGox crash since soon after it occurred, making us probably the longest running non-official investigation."
mircea_popescu: (dja know the joke with "what, you think medicine has not progressed in the interval ?!?!")
mircea_popescu: i guess social sciences have made some progresses over the years ?
mircea_popescu: dem pres obama supports the OTHER side in the ukr conflict.
mircea_popescu: haha it is kinda reversed huh ? democrat pres clinton supported one side in the serb-bosnian conflict,
mircea_popescu: my point is... they who tell the story and then act on the story are responsible toanswer as to their own consistency.
asciilifeform: except the funny part is that he was pathologically generous to his subjects
asciilifeform: because i didn't. and i don't believe a word out of the usg shills that is south kr.
mircea_popescu: mno. for that matter, i didn't watch my own birth happen, either.
chetty: asciilifeform, ploy to get people to update to the ones they nice backdoors to?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja watch them do it?
BingoBoingo: Right. Then again gaddafi was a softer target
mircea_popescu: somehow THIS is acceptable to the "democratic west". what wasn't acceptable was you know, gaddafi an' his harem.
mircea_popescu: then killed his kids, then the kids' kids, like fiddy bodies by now.
mircea_popescu: that guy is nuts btw, check this out : he kicked his uncle out of power, if you recall ? the guy who pretty much made him succeed.
BingoBoingo: Armenian Kim has the better, if somewhat smaller ass.
mircea_popescu: what's his name, the kidnapped guy. jongun' ?
BingoBoingo: Don't think they'd waste her ass on this. Maybe second or third best kim.
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah, i recall, the usms "auction" where they forgot to publish the results, in spite of foia, and their late promise to respect foia on an arbitrary extralegal self appointed date.
BingoBoingo: They were said to have happened and Tim Draper's name came out of the hat more than once.
BingoBoingo: Got part of the second one. Third is yet to come
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He won the first one.
mircea_popescu: the one that really really happened ?
mircea_popescu: noooo, you're telling me tim draper "won" the "auciton" ? again ?
assbot: Sim card database hack gave US and UK spies access to billions of cellphones | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5mv4z )
mircea_popescu: well... the problem is the previous attempt failed on pretty much exactly the same lines. who is this friend, why's he not in the wot etc.
dignork: mircea_popescu: I can't currently handle it myself, but I can bring a friend and we'll split the work, would you be interested to cooperate?
BingoBoingo: Prolly 4 is the safer number
mircea_popescu: dignork cool, but what i'm really looking for is someone to do the site.
mircea_popescu: new generation of mouthbreathers every what, 5 years ?
mircea_popescu: the fucking lesson of "do not create content on a platorm you don't control" is never being learned is it.
dignork: nah, the site should be self-sufficient imho, but I'd love to hear the solution though :)
mircea_popescu: mages into their videos without handing Google a cut of the revenue."
mircea_popescu: "A YouTube representative called this revision a clarification of its existing policy, one that occurred late last year, intended to prevent advertiser conflicts and ensure viewers don’t feel bombarded by ads. Paul Kontonis, executive director of the Global Online Video Association, however framed it as an explicit change that prevents YouTube stars and multichannel networks from working prominent sponsor logos and i
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: height=210431 vs height=186701 << is it about 10k a day or am i sorely misreading the numbers ?
dignork: mircea_popescu: collusion is discovered in the long run, afer the fact, f you can't ban/punish the player, code quality won't help :(
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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