nubbins`: i heard it smells like brimstone there
asciilifeform: nubbins`: literally 20 min. away from the classical nsa
nubbins`: heart of the beast
decimation: even if he was, the landlord has to pay his expenses in usd
decimation: yeah it could be bitcoinized only in the special case that he is in your wot
asciilifeform: as for the inevitable question of what i must be smoking to have done this at all - it's a consequence of the geography in which i'm trapped (a handful of houses advertised for rent in my price range at any given moment - if that; the most tilted 'seller's market' one could imagine)
nubbins`: bitcoin all the things
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, decimation: the point that i was trying - and failing - to make, was that a fundamentally fiat-based business arrangement like renting a house from a fella on opposite end of continent who you've never met and never expect to meet, cannot be 'bitcoinized' in the sense of turning you loose from usg financial jail
nubbins`: asciilifeform i sort of gloss over the fact that years of reading "mother earth news" before taking the plunge took most of the edge off it
ben_vulpes: you're not using the wot unless you're trusting your counterparty.
asciilifeform: decimation: see the clincher ?
asciilifeform: decimation: aha. then usg also has receipt
decimation: well, you can get a deposit receipt from the bank
asciilifeform: decimation: i can believe this. but then you lose what small protection was provided by the fiat wot
nubbins`: but y'know what? i don't have to lie in bed every morning wondering whether i'll call in sick
decimation: <asciilifeform> can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc < yes, most us banks will let you deposit anything into one of their accounts, no questions asked
asciilifeform: nubbins`: but to imply that everyone who is not in your position is necessarily a spendthrift who would be a winner but for the 'fatlogic' - is disingenuous
nubbins`: my wife and i collectively have to scrounge together about $400 per month to keep this house going
asciilifeform: nubbins`: lol! 6k would not even pay the tax on such a thing here.
nubbins`: it's not at all the grim spectre that all you guys think it is.
nubbins`: consider the statement suitably modified
asciilifeform: a few seconds here and there are enough
nubbins`: and someone with a link to the stats can take a stab at how much time i spend dicking around on irc
asciilifeform: the most costly piece of equipment is time.
nubbins`: asciilifeform that's where the tears come in
nubbins`: sounds blithe, no?
ben_vulpes: the only thing i can think to do is accumulate capital.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: why dontcha try telling us condemned fools the equivalent
asciilifeform: nubbins`: analogy fall apart easily enough if nudged: you can readily tell the glutton what he would have to do if he were to seize hold of himself and climb out of his fat with iron will
nubbins`: bunch of guys so wrapped up in bezzle trappings that they don't realize their cage door is wide open
ben_vulpes: omg this channel is the most educational thing in my life
nubbins`: why do i get the impression that nobody wants to exit the hamster cage because the wheel and watering tube are really nice and convenient?
asciilifeform: it is also a good approach because it forces all the crud to be expunged with hot iron
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:43; ascii_field: danielpbarron: the netbsd kernel and userland are sufficiently compact (vs linux) to make this a worthwhile exercise
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 17:53:11; ascii_field: danielpbarron: at present time there is no support whatoever for the eeprom in netbsd. this means that it can be used, but only if the userland (yes, all of it) is baked into a ramdisk baked into the kernel (which in turn is loaded by uboot in one shot at powerup)
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build.
asciilifeform: cazalla: no, but the cost of electricity, gas and others under the idea of global warming and taxes [and rest of that thread] << if it makes ya feel better - far worse in usa. i, for instance, know for a fact that i will never own any lands here.
Adlai: ... and the jar's floor is a treadmill, each shelf's mills singing a parallel circuit to power the shed's dingy incandescent
asciilifeform: he'd have to live for ten thousand years in the jar to make so much as a visible mark in the glass.
asciilifeform: the mouse is a perfect analogy here, because his efforts at glass-breaking are not in any way cumulative
asciilifeform: or to tell him that in the garden shed where his jar stands, in a toolchest there is a glass-cutter.
asciilifeform: but to tell mouse that there is no glass, and it is only a figment of his perceptions, is an odd thing imho
asciilifeform is one of the numerous mice on parade here in #b-a who go 'thchwack' against the glass daily
asciilifeform: if it costs 100k to be let out of asylum and not have the thorazine injected daily, should we still think of the sanity in the usual sense of the word ?
mircea_popescu: obviously, i'm a great student of the mouse school of jar handling.
asciilifeform: what'd be the 'sanity' ?
mircea_popescu: there's no physics law against sanity, yet.
mircea_popescu: it can only be considered once what to do is established, and the discussion moves on to how to do it.
asciilifeform: hence the difference
asciilifeform: see, linux is free if you had the upbringing, but 100k might as well be 100kg of plutonium as far as i'm concerned
mircea_popescu: other person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because i'm on bezzle". you average +8, i average the same -1.
mircea_popescu: person presents with complaint "i can not correctly use bitcoin because im on windows". on a scale of -10 to +10, where -10 is "that's ok, you shoulsd use windows" and 10 is "fuck you get off windows anywhay right now no mattert the cost" you average about a -8, i about a -1
asciilifeform: so far i don't disagree - the problem i described could indeed be magicked away entirely and semi-permanently by judicious application of ~100k usd
mircea_popescu: you will notice that we fall on this matter as follows : you're significantly more stringent than me on one score, and significantly laxer than me on the other.
asciilifeform: need the infrastructure
mircea_popescu: rent as the corp.
mircea_popescu: it is in fact a rehash of the "i can't run bitcoin on linux because i have windows"
mircea_popescu: nevertheless.
asciilifeform: millions do the latter << heavily subsidized by usg
mircea_popescu: yet MILLIONS do the latter. do not tell me it is impossible.
asciilifeform: but everyone already knew that the problem, after a certain scale, is solvable
mircea_popescu: no, it costs 100k to have the infrastructure in place.
mircea_popescu: ah, well, there's more angles to the problem. you need a good tax attorney, a llc structure, etc etc.
asciilifeform: 'get rid of' in the sense of 'make use of without giving half of it to usg'
mircea_popescu: see, you're equivocating. one purpose of using cash is anonymity. ANOTHER pourpose is to just get rid of the plutonium crate.
asciilifeform: then same as cutting a cheque
mircea_popescu: but you are, phyusically, using the cahs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you probably knew this, but large (how large is 'large' varies based on the day's 'terrorism thermometer') cash tx in u.s. banks require id and are reported
mircea_popescu: you do get a receipt for the txn
mircea_popescu: but the notion that you can't make payments... i mean ? just too weird.
ben_vulpes: but one of the wot, no?
asciilifeform: but neither applies
asciilifeform: it works if we were both, say, italians, where 'it isn't done', or if i were part of an ethonmafia that will cause him problems in the event of raw deal
asciilifeform: then what
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: goes deeper than my superficial explanation suggests. i was really on about the difficulty of 'bitcoinizing' fundamentally fiat-wot-based business arrangements
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm not saying you won't *be* right, but in your quest to get out in front of how the world will be you're not looking at how the world is.
ben_vulpes: the window is closing.
Apocalyptic: apparently at Chase you can no longer deposit into accounts you're not the holder of, but at other banks presumably this still works
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> can do this at bank ? // that's the preferred way to trade at -otc
Adlai: which is basically "receipt", since you're still trusting the bank
ben_vulpes: (and re unsigned kexts: it's shitgnomes on shitgnomes. os x no longer runs unsigned kexts, the solution for which is to...distribute binaries)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: deposit directly into their bank account?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "not under any circumstances payable in cash" << you live in the weirdest bubble.
BingoBoingo: Australia kind of led the way in developing "Outrage Fatigue"
mircea_popescu: so organised oppression of the 10% leadership ? very fucking smart.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: you gotta remember Australia is a pioneer is "social sciences" ESL retardations. They pioneer these things for USia and Lower Britain.
mircea_popescu: "oppositional defiant", the "disorder" of "we suck"
mircea_popescu: "cazalla: and the result? oh you are oppositional defiant, you have a conduct disorder" << waiot wut ?! how old are you after all
mircea_popescu: so im getting this supplier to invoice me in bitcoin, and they've been working on it, making their own btc accounting software an errything.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: such conflict << conflict is the stuff of life, man. an' how one resolves conflicts is what separates teh men from teh...
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it has the crisp feel of SCIENCE
mircea_popescu: im bashing the shit outta cazalla lol.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: sometimes i wish i never found this place, i wouldn;t know any fucking better, could've kept towing the line that this is how it's to be << famous words.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2015 12:01:22; cazalla: something is very fucking wrong when my broke ass opa who couldn't speak a word of fucking english managed to get a job in the steel works and pay off a house in 2 decades and raise 6 kids in the 1950s... not even 2 adults working with 1 kid can do that today here
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i take it back, they prolly know the material, let 'em manage it. i can't be arsed to follow amir. whoever does, can call the shots.
mircea_popescu: chetty: how they gonna train kids for things that haven't been invented yet? << maybe give up on the trainin' ? the greeks had the same problem, had solution : music, sport, grammar and logic. and fuck them.
mircea_popescu: sa crew keeping the lid on him eh.
mircea_popescu: someone post the immortal http://trilema.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/
assbot: Bitcoiners find out what the "dark" in darkwallet means, try to justify it. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/17lL7Qk )
BingoBoingo: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2wm3h7/eli5_why_is_amir_taaki_important_and_why_do_some/cos48ko << Megalol, Companion loling >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2wnjjt/bitcoiners_find_out_what_the_dark_in_darkwallet/
mircea_popescu: as if someone somewhere is actually busy putting mill to metal to "supply" the needs ?
BingoBoingo: I remember earlier this week some radio host talking about how Obama is only giving the Peshmerga 20 so Armoured personel carriers instead of the 120 som the Pershmerga needs
thestringpuller: except the golden age of comics
mircea_popescu: oh gods i am so thankful to have been born in the first ever Age of Comedy
BingoBoingo: Right now the talking heads in the media keep talking about how we need to arm the Kurds further, and how far we are from fulfilling their requests in total.
BingoBoingo: mats: Here prolly. Give it a decade or two. The Mujahadeen didn't become Al Queda until Osama needed to handle pensions.
mircea_popescu: sadly i don't see too well inside teh golden crescent. no real interest for me there.
mats: as i understand it, they don't want to wade into shia sunni violence and catch some political fallout in the process
BingoBoingo: <mats> i don't believe the kurds will actually fight inside mosul << There's a time and place the Kurds will fight, but first the need to go through the motions of leveraging all of the phree stuff they can from Obola
mircea_popescu: i don't see it either.
mats: i don't believe the kurds will actually fight inside mosul
mircea_popescu: it's like a rite of passage, for arabs, pissing on the great satan. whoever does it best is just more respectable, is all.
mircea_popescu: it's a "us vs one of the football teams of the Y. they do nominally vie for supremacy. they do not in the slightest mind any one team take the world cup"
asciilifeform: unless i grossly misunderstand, it's not a 'us vs arabs' match, but a 'small faction of uppity orcs vs whole bunch of other folks incl. most of the neighbouring orcs' match.
mircea_popescu: o, im sure nobody is supporting the arabs o.O
mircea_popescu: somebody in the us ACTUALLY SET TO PAPER the thought that well, since they're noobs that's a strategic advantage, "nobody will be able to know they're not as described on tin, iraq/kurd"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> think about it. GREEN mercenaries vs allah's host. << Don't forget the mercenaries that aren't green in the peshmerga who want their own state carved out of Turkey
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu> "everyone" knows academi has been hiring overtime. << these are all noobs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: theory goes that no well-fed u.s. 400k-usd/yr academi demolitions expert or whatnot has the slightest desire to be king of the orcs
mircea_popescu: applied in lieu of chain of command ? what are these people smoking!
mircea_popescu: i've never seen nuttery on this level before. seriously, "soft politics" is one thing, "oh we're so good we control teh ppl with the media".
mircea_popescu: ie, why will this force do what we tell them to ? well... because thewy saw it on tv.
mircea_popescu: chetty its because they [perhaps correctly] figure they need the outside reinforcement.
chetty: "US Central Command says up to 25,000 troops are being assembled for the Mosul campaign, to take on 1-2,000 ISIL fighters."//next notice to include specific deployment schedules and routes, never fear
mircea_popescu: is that at some point they'll stop merely taking what you provide and start beating you.
mircea_popescu: if you raise your children badly, it's not that they won't NEED it
mircea_popescu: so they... didn't.
mircea_popescu: let me remind you that last time the dod threatened to investigate blackwater the response (from the ceo) was : if you try we'll just kill your "investigator" and that'll be that.
PeterL: at what point does this mercenary force stop listening to orders and just raiding whoever the feel like?
mircea_popescu: the epic lulz of it tho... so iraq had some 100k under arms that ran off abandoning not just weapons but their very unifortms, and now the us that don't even speak the language found 20k guys who are of the opposite persuasion. heck, if only the iraq state could be as proficiernt, they could have found better soldiers o.O
mircea_popescu: but the move has both putin and the chinese politburo in stitches. seriously, this means the us will never again deploy its own troops. us military just became an extremely expensive jannisary corp.
PeterL: and us USians still wonder why we are paying for soldiers to derp around on the other side of the world
mircea_popescu: "everyone" knows academi has been hiring overtime. these are all mercenaries, they are costing the us more than us troops would have cost
mircea_popescu: anyway, that they're "iraquis" is ridoinculous beyond belief. not even the usg believes anyone'd believe it, hence the "and kurdish" because supposedly nobody knows who the kurds are. except...
mircea_popescu: "well at least there's a lot of us. that gotta count for something."
mircea_popescu: because they don't stand a chance.
PeterL: why do they need so many troops?
mircea_popescu: "US Central Command says up to 25,000 troops are being assembled for the Mosul campaign, to take on 1-2,000 ISIL fighters." boooon.... o sa iasa un dezastru...
mircea_popescu: that's what nobody wants to really say about string theory : while it's a ridiculous pile of pasta, it's not *really* that far off from physics.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: http://xkcd.com/1489/ <<< that's pretty much EXACTLY it. and then various noobs imagine physics is a serious science, while in fact it barely hangs out at the outskirts of credibility, and same noobs imagine stuff like i dunno, psychiatry or "earth sciences" are not kinda as srs as physics "but nevertheless".
mircea_popescu: assbot: Greece and creditors agree to extend bailout package << euians saw all the fun usians had with the "debt ceiling", made a little sideshow of their own.
BingoBoingo: dignork: You mean like the windows AV vendors do?
dignork: btw Superfish clowns could at least spare some embarrassment if they generated CA cert per customer instead of using hard-coded one.
Adlai: the enemy is not a person
cazalla: of course, no-one commented, but if i noticed the timing..
chetty: <cazalla> what took a joe stack to realise in 50 years takes someone like me to realise in 25 years which takes someone to come after 10-15 years// I dont think it has another 10-15 years left in it
punkman: also, I'm not gonna care about Zimbabwe bezzle, as long as I'm not there
cazalla: hey, the day a certain someone orders them all lined up and machine gunned, i'll fkn be there
punkman: you gonna have to neck them
punkman: cazalla, wishing the bezzle away
Adlai: does australia have a similar student loan system to the us?
cazalla: i'd be disappointed if he tells the uni recruiter anything less than fuck you
cazalla: you think i'm gonna raise my own to go out into the world, accue large amounts of bezzle debt for a uni degree to work at mcdonalds?
Adlai: ugh. several of irl peers work as salespeople, and justify this as their response to bezzle... "we get preyed on, so we prey on others"
cazalla: the current way of doing things where you print shit effortlessly for a lifetime of someone elses hard worked effort
Adlai: calm before the storm?
cazalla: <chetty> smart is a very relative thing, that you are here says a lot <<< nope, says that we're near the end
punkman: I got some land that needs a farmer, might have to wait for the btc slaves though
cazalla: it'll fucking deplete the lot
cazalla: jurov, what i have doesn't even keep pace with the bezzle
cazalla: and if someone like me end up with my hands around your neck? god forbid, well acquainted withe the slaughter of innocent animals, but the guilty?
cazalla: i hope you neck every single one of them
cazalla: mistake they made, was to allow idiots like me to grasp prometheus' fire, god forbid what the smarter amongst us here have in store for such people
cazalla: i am not intelligent, never really had the opportunity or desire to reach out for knowledge, nothing more than a class of person who, if dedicated, could become a master wine/cheese/anyfood maker
cazalla: anything i learned was from fidonet which these fucks fought and fought to keep me off the computer
cazalla: meanwhile the "elite" laugh at the idea that modern conflict can be solved with anything but violence
cazalla: modern school breeds weak kids so that they breed even weaker kids
cazalla: fuck them all
cazalla: and the result? oh you are oppositional defiant, you have a conduct disorder
cazalla: and i'd win, because fighting my own father who would not hesitant to flog me with a jug cord or punch and wind me.. nothin any other kid could muster
cazalla: and you knew.. just by looking at them
cazalla: only fights i lost were against the kids who's own father beat the shit out of them.. and at that point it was not many
cazalla: fail P.E, yet i could beat the shit, or at least put up a fight againt the stronger kids who beat me anyway
cazalla: fwiw, i didn't even finish school, plenty of C's D's E's and F's because what they taught was utter shit.. oobedience to the bezzle, obedience to who paid them and kept a roof over their head
cazalla: go to school, do your 2+2, watch cartoons, use ipad, earn marks form shitty ass teachers who for some reason or other get to depict student as A+ or F
cazalla: not that obeying others is wrong.. just wrong people
cazalla: everything and everyone wants to instruct him to follow and obey others
cazalla: maybe i do my own son an injustice.. say i wind up dead in 15-20 years time and he inherits the lot..
chetty: at that age its hard to imagine them ever doing anything that needs punishment. Things change :)
cazalla: and my old man copped it much worse from his father than i did mine
chetty: cazalla, your kid is still young, no? the rod comes later
chetty: Adlai, maybe thats what O meant about the 57 states ?
cazalla: which makes me contemplate.. mp and physical discipline.. i couldn't imagine hitting my kid.. yet, if my own father didnt flog me with jugcord and leave countless bruises.. i don't think i'd be here today
cazalla: nad yet if bitcoin fulfils its destiny, i'll prob eat a bowl of shit from the kid
chetty: but I for one would not trade it. And ya twice as bad when other depend on you
cazalla: i could survive on noodles myself.. but the kid... i won't have that
cazalla: sometimes i wish i never found this place, i wouldn;t know any fucking better, could've kept towing the line that this is how it's to be
cazalla: the fucking noose grows tighter, i tell you that now
cazalla: much like asciilifeform's discussion of people working for #b-a at the liberty of the bezzle or offtime
cazalla: or maybe they just don't want to work dead end make work jobs
chetty: but thats the point, most humans are pretty lazy, as long as they can hide and live off others, they will
cazalla: i was still living at home on and off during late teens, early 20s despite all the bullshit
cazalla: maybe the kids have no option though
chetty: time for some tough love, all those parents with 20+ kids living in the basement should kick em out
cazalla: with the weight of others clingingin to it unware i'm trying to carry them so that they don't fucking starve
chetty: idiot west makes getting ahead impossible, permanent slavery to the state, and then doesn't understand why the kids go join jihad?
cazalla: i don't blame em, for a young australian, there is fucking nothing unless you are prepared to work 40 years in a make work job to pay off an inflated piece of shit block with no back yard 2 bedroom pos
cazalla: well, news here in australiua chetty is some people upset their kids are defecting to IS
cazalla: i've been in an environment where beatings were par for the course and told i was fucking lucky and should be grateful because i wasn't raised by the wehrmacht solider himself and didn't cop beatings near as bad
chetty: (why to all those people go join the jihad?)
cazalla: i never fucking had more than a broken ass discussion with him in english, his broken ass polish/german/ russian and yet the dude who slept in a fucking barn as a kid had better prospects coming here in here in here in the 50s than me and the missus do combined
cazalla: something is very fucking wrong when my broke ass opa who couldn't speak a word of fucking english managed to get a job in the steel works and pay off a house in 2 decades and raise 6 kids in the 1950s... not even 2 adults working with 1 kid can do that today here
chetty: <cazalla> now you need a phd just to work the mcdonalds grill// how else they gonna keep ya in debt for life?
cazalla: now you need a phd just to work the mcdonalds grill
cazalla: well, we were still being trained for no existent agricultural jobs in 1998 on the priviso we started them back in like 93 or some shit, god forbid they up and admit there was a fkn cow or farm in the region any longer and the farming lands were all sold to build shitty properties on
chetty: well the specific 'thing' isnt the point, but the world changes fast and they didnt train car mechanics back in buggy whip days either
cazalla: primary or high school chetty? we had dial up with netscape in highschool, fucking cunts were adamant about getting me off it, about the same time as the dumb ibm library terminals were shipped out for windows shit as discused here
chetty: in fairness Internet didn't exist when I was in school, how they gonna train kids for things that haven't been invented yet?
cazalla: prob only vexual appreciats the solo t-shirt
cazalla: should've known that cunt had a screw lose when he was adamant about shaq attacking every basketball hoop in the township
cazalla: so what happens when ya train a bunch of kids for local industry that no longer exist by the time they become adults? cunts like this lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Valera
cazalla: the fuck you teach me how to milk cows and raise meat chickens for, stupid fkn public schooling
cazalla: when school began, we lit plenty of fires on plenty of farms to help the fire bug country fire association put them out.. that's if they didn't start em their fucking selves
cazalla: as in the sticks, 2 1/2 drive to sydney to work, 2 1/2 hour drive back every fucking day, people do it en masse
cazalla: the sticks i gew up in.. went for under 100k 25 years ago.. over 500k now
cazalla: i don't think you can even buy a home in the shittest areas of australia at the price RENT is paying for homes
kakobrekla: but the RENT is too god damn high
cazalla: seen this guys at the BDO like 10 years ago, disappointing in concert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_UCks8O0FA
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tbQRbNMlks props to anyone who guesses the grinspoon reference :P
cazalla: i still got it on the other hdd but i switched back to the nigbuntu for time being until i figure out how to make firefox run faster minus the crashes with obsd (yeah, i increased mem for account ,added to staff, no go)
cazalla: nah i live that for the baseball fans *nudge* BingoBoingo
punkman: you could wear beer-can hat and run at the same time!
cazalla: fwiw, use to run 10km a day, so not like i don't know what it takes to be comitted rocky balboa righter champion of the world beat anyone in a tussel