mircea_popescu: didn't the atms recently get shut down or is that a different country ?
mike_c: i made it unlisted, but it will get the link from b-a log..
mircea_popescu: the pastebin
adam_obrien: Hhaha, I wish. Unfortunately I wasn't around then so it couldn't have been me
mircea_popescu: are you the obrien of 1984 fame ? :D
decimation: nah, the whole 'd1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!!' has everything to do with the general divide & conqueror the kulaks program, and nothing to do with the exercise of actual power
adam_obrien: Not sure his username. He is the one that got me on here
asciilifeform: decimation: just demonstrating that d1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!! is not the root password to usg
decimation: asciilifeform: apparently the CIA has infinite leeway to do whatever it wants, as long is it can claim that some kind of secret is at stake
asciilifeform: so for all those who were wondering re: the proverbial 'who is stronger? the elephant, or the whale ?'
asciilifeform: radecraft and the identity of human assets; (d) the targets and focus of CIA's intelligence collection and operations, and (e) the location of CIA covert facilities. Accordingly, the Court grants Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment'. Accordingly, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment (Doc. 28) is GRANTED, and this action is DISMISSED without prejudice.'
asciilifeform: litigation of Plaintiffs claims would present an unjustifiable risk of disclosure of classified information regarding (a) the identities of CIA officers and employees, (b) the job titles, duties, work assignments of Plaintiff and other covert employees, and the criteria and reasons for making the work assignments and employment decisions regarding them, (c) sources and methods used by covert employees, including operational t
asciilifeform: ''After careful consideration of the public and classified pleadings, the Court holds that Plaintiffs claims must be dismissed under the state secrets privilege because (1) privileged information is at the heart of Plaintiffs claims for discrimination on the basis of disability and race, hostile work environment and retaliation, (2) Defendants cannot defend this action without relying on privileged information, and (3) further
asciilifeform: they omitted it to save a penny.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: -any- of them will need soldering
asciilifeform: (theoretically, default, don't have to set. but if your favourite term emu makes you set - then above)
asciilifeform: (srsly, there is an 'atari' port.)
asciilifeform: 0x800000 - if it wasn't obvious - is where uboot parks the kernel prior to jumping in
asciilifeform: incidentally it is possible to write the eeprom from uboot (you gotta pump in the new payloads via tftp in that case, but you save time by not needing to wait for an os - such as the terrifying bloat of systemdized-archlinux - to load)
asciilifeform: (the value is simply the sum of the lengths of mtd0..3, naturally, and these numbers are available in the uboot console if that's all you've got)
asciilifeform: i possibly ought to discuss the constants
cazalla: mike_c, k thanks, i tossed it into the article in blockquotes
asciilifeform: will post patch set once i can be bothered to crap one out
asciilifeform: i have demonstrated that netbsd kernel (of my custom trimmed build) will correctly init the periphs on pogo
asciilifeform: the only conceivable use of the above sample is to demonstrate that netbsd will function correctly on 'pogo'.
asciilifeform forgot that not everyone's pogo has the serial jack
asciilifeform: unless you have it configured to do the udp console thing
asciilifeform: the 0xc00000 is a round number here, you want it to encompass your binary's size
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i will post a patch to the netbsd src tree
asciilifeform: decimation: i forget if mentioned earlier: got the whole build to work
asciilifeform: decimation: at the moment, yes
decimation: asciilifeform: so you are still using the u-boot copy-to-ramdisk method if you don't have a driver for the eeprom?
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trinque: certainly not the second
trinque: I might've gotten past the first chapter of that book
asciilifeform read that tlp article, wakes up to having known precisely the type of animal described therein - in real life
asciilifeform: having actual support for the nand would make it possible to eliminate the 'ramdisk' and shave a few MB off the memory footprint.
asciilifeform: (why do i need a conventional install? because want to test my attempt at driver for the nand as a kernel mod)
mircea_popescu: sely because the longer he stays in any one place, the better chance he'll be discovered to be a loser. Time to go where the grass is greener, somewhere people don't know you're there to crap on it.
mircea_popescu: The entire spirit of the book can be summarized by Dean's words: "Sal, think of it, we'll dig Denver together...!" That's what a man who is trying to con a woman into running off with him would say. Denver, really?? Really? Why? Because it starts with D? I'd at least momentarily entertain the theory that D cities are great places to get to, but the real reason he wants to get to Denver, or anywhere else, is preci
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mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/10/kerouacs_on_the_road.html << did i say what a fucking great review this is ?
cazalla: prob has an idea but he didn't speculate further anyway
cazalla: seems a bit suss he would say he is unsure what happened with the servers but is already moving forward to relaunch
mircea_popescu: and always was there.
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mircea_popescu: this, fwiw, is patently false. even now is being advertised a device which, iof placed on tank, will make the car not use fuel.
mircea_popescu: "There are no homeopathic automobile repair shops, that try to repair your car by putting infinitesimal dilutions of rust in the gas tank. There are no automotive faith healers, who lay their hands on the hood and pray."
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller incidentally, exactly how teh neanderthal got wiped out.
thestringpuller: We all know the reason : Disproving or confirming others finding won't get you very far in a scientific career. One needs to have novel finding to get published in Nature , Cell or Science, which are powerful tickets for next round of NIH funding. Because research resources are scarce, no scientists can survive by examining others papers. Therefore, faking a cute and novel discovery is effective to survive the academia with min
thestringpuller: "U.S. NIH spends ~30b annually to found research. However, many resulting papers are NOT repeatable In my merely 8 years experience in academia, I believe >50% papers are not repeatable especially those claiming therapeutic effects.
mircea_popescu: what, by 1945 there's nothing BUT that.
asciilifeform: interestingly, hitler's 'table talk' contains a few instances of whining that he'd like xxxxx but the orders don't get carried out
mircea_popescu: could the roman empire have mandated its legions wear the fucking scutum, pilum and thorax ?
asciilifeform: sooo >> usg could mandate pgp for letters of credit just as easily as it mandates the garbage we see today
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/09a98729739cc9ed4b2a28e9988ba91f/tumblr_nepprjHYH01u2qk73o1_400.gif << helping thestringpuller work productively, one gif at a time.
mircea_popescu: im sure all sorts of adults tell stories that happened to me as if - them.
mircea_popescu: im sure all sorts of romanian kids claim to know me for their own circle ?
asciilifeform: is it possible for someone to steal the identity of mircea_popescu? if not, why not ?
mircea_popescu: there may be some relation even, and some factuality to the claim and existence to the group. nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: it holds the same logical strength as "the very reason why 'identity theft' is a real problem for anybody is that women are whores"
asciilifeform: how is the above picture mistaken
mircea_popescu: the way you're going.
mircea_popescu: you know you WILL end up having to come up with "the only reason sun raises in the morning is usg" at some point
asciilifeform: any single usg employee's security, in all respects, continues at the MERCY of unidentified party. in no sense and in no manner does it flow from usg-anything << to be fair, the very reason why 'identity theft' is a real problem for anybody is usg
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://41.media.tumblr.com/b0bf3a6a3f32fa7cbfc6bbf1c5e7c652/tumblr_nihqzq4vJ41t33m1bo1_500.jpg prepping of same, jus fer ya.
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mircea_popescu: at least software has the excuse it takes any retarded kid.
asciilifeform: these two 'engineerings'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose a better framed debate would then be this exactly, as above. "is this engineering or is it just dumbery"
asciilifeform: that's the 'big secret', really
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller move to wash dc, put up craigslist "Black man looking to humiliate married white women. Husband may be included.". watch how you make more money than alf.
asciilifeform: not same principle. snippets of synthetic nucleic acid are used, it goes (or more often, doesn't..) to a specific place, there is a (usually bad) protein model to predict effect, etc.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller why ? and if so, join some swinger's club.
mircea_popescu: how do you think the gmo stuff is made ? same principle, different lego blocks
asciilifeform: when folks would 'let that thing eat gamma until almost dead, then plant it'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the substantial difference between ENGINEERING and GAMBLING is important here
asciilifeform: that style of 'engineering' is 1940s state of the art
mircea_popescu: i can readily live with a complete demonization of chromogambling. it would not do anything, in my head, to either engineering or genetics.
mircea_popescu: and yes i typed all that in the box!
mircea_popescu: bons being synthetised. the plan kingdom is, historically, the largest producer of poisons on the planet and to a large degree a controller of animal population counts and animal species survival rates, which is why you even need a liver in the first place - notice that your imune system doens't REALLY have an organ (thymus, w/e)." this is not "genetic engineering", this is chromogambling.
mircea_popescu: decimation: out, that we should think very carefully about eliminating or demonizing genetic engineering." << to a large degree, the debate is sorely misstated. nobody is seriously discussing "genetic engineering". what's being discussed is, "let's make random combinations of genetic material we do not at all understand and see what happens. this will necessarily result in novel/ununderstood proteins and other hydrocar
mircea_popescu: so they BURIED IT. somewhere. i was in the fucking sticks. couldn't get another one for coupla weeks, until back to town, at which point...
mircea_popescu: no i don't. i used to, but then my mother threw a shitfit once she realised why her aunt's entire chicken population was dizzy
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/9af3649f763191c778bc1eee6fbf4909/tumblr_ngzbtp8QvJ1trst71o1_400.jpg << this is an illustration on the fertile juicy ideas i miss out on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: man i miss out on the best logs.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: Frankly, handing off to a reference counting system <<< "One day a student came to Moon and said: I understand how to make a better garbage collector. We must keep a reference count of the pointers to each cons. Moon patiently told the student the following story: One day a student came to Moon and said: I understand how to make a better garbage collector..."
mircea_popescu: you're still there, your house is still there, your family is still there because we can't be bothered to take them away. that's all.
mircea_popescu: any single usg employee's security, in all respects, continues at the MERCY of unidentified party. in no sense and in no manner does it flow from usg-anything.
mircea_popescu: this, for the record, is exactly correct.
mircea_popescu: "You have no idea how much we can fuck with the US government if we wanted to," Love told a hacking colleague in one exchange over Internet relay chat, prosecutors alleged. "This... stuff is really sensitive. It's basically every piece of information you'd need to do full identity theft on any employee or contractor" for the hacked agency.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i guess for black girls it's mostly rap videos << hmm perhaps American media just blinds one to the broader cultural spectrum
mircea_popescu: "as a matter of policy, we don't comment on rape cases" should be the new rape trial defense.
mircea_popescu: why this is my problem and for the court to decide if this gives them authority to convert chattel."
mircea_popescu: "I cannot speak to the contents," he told Ars via online chat. "Except that they are mine. This is the only salient detail as far as I'm concerned. I am not on trial, nor is my data, and I am under no obligation to speak for it. But my property is being withheld from me, and that must be justified. The current justification is due to the inability of the NCA to understand certain data. It remains for them to establish
mircea_popescu: i dunno... i kinda aren't attracted to other types, by and large. i assume it's similar across cultures.
mats: i've read a few things here and there about 'the white man's asian fetish' and 'the hyper-femininity of the asian woman'
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: although it is the most common item on the menu, there is still some "allure" as a minority "banging one out"
mats: i mean, asian women are hypersexualized in p much the same way as black dudes in media
mircea_popescu: aren't skimpy/no clothes mandatory in college anyway ?
thestringpuller: "rumors" from the guys (note how I said "rumors")
thestringpuller: lots of make up, skimpy clothes
thestringpuller: ah, always thinking of the ABG's in high school/early college who would hang out with negros
mats: thestringpuller: hows that?
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ABG | An acronym for an "aznbbygirl" meaning an asian female gangster. ABG's like to hang with gangsters and wear thin (slutty) clothing. They like to ju...
mircea_popescu: or wait. no, it was right the first time
mircea_popescu: like salmon at the seafood restaurant
mats: i've been on the search my whole life for a proper descriptor
mats adds it to the list
mats: although its a reasonable segue into building other toys ... like shock gloves for bum fights
mircea_popescu: mats: folks are encouraged to get married so they can eat fo free << which is how the dependopopotami are born. "i don't care about the chick but i gotta be married for money so w/e"
mircea_popescu: mats the flash ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this actually explains quite a bit << why did you think the pentagon spends so much.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise the css/html difference is not unlike the "food division" and "detergent division" difference at unilever.
ben_vulpes: hah yeah i mean you have to learn 3 different chodes at the same time
mircea_popescu: i explained a little about the difference between imperative and notation, i think she got the gist.
ben_vulpes: kinda curious about the complexity
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/ << shit look at that, "mother earth news" is actually a thing.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as i understand it, his chief complaint was, "no criminal empire footprint". easiest way to get into that, from memory, is dating the whores.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: what's the equivalent of the 'stop gluttony and exercise' here << start dating whores.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: just appreciating the pun
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: why do i get the impression [...] << because you're an asshole. just like me.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << o hey wd. what was the catch ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, car upskirt http://40.media.tumblr.com/13e662976dbcb63c57b5183056a60fc4/tumblr_n9f219yd4L1rx7eu1o1_1280.jpg
decimation: "Guest: One, we could feed the world without GMOs; there are other practices that we could follow. So the idea that we are prisoners of this technology I think is something that should be dispelled. On the other hand, I don't think we should try that. I think if our water is precious, if our topsoil is precious, if we really care about the hydrocarbon footprint that we have in terms of the amount of cultivation that we need to carry
decimation: actually the cargill guy was not super-pro gmo
decimation: yeah, the next episode he interviews taleb on gmos
ben_vulpes: decimation: thanks for the econtalk recommendation
jurov: til about the " fresh ready to eat" salads
jurov: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/21/a-feast-of-engineering-whats-really-in-your-food
jurov: remind me to revisit this back in 10 years ...whether fluffypony will still endorse such changes (or apple at all) by then
decimation: asciilifeform: does this mean you installed on the pogo's nand flash?
asciilifeform: in other news,
ben_vulpes: dude ruby what the ever loving fuck
decimation wishes to shun nobody, but is somewhat mystified about how to discern between tidbits of data that relate to long-running discussions and 'boring' 'preaching to the choir'
ben_vulpes: shun the nonbeliever.
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: don't disturb the cult!
fluffypony: it becomes a circlejerk when "preaching to the choir" devolves, and here we are
asciilifeform: fluffypony: the pill against coinbase is precisely the same as the one against apple: 'don't do it'
fluffypony: hey I know, let's complain about how Coinbase is ruining Bitcoin with their centralisation!
fluffypony: and the hate circlejerk is boring
decimation: the world's greatest thing that solves all the problems becomes the 'deprecated feature' 3 years later
fluffypony: so Apple is saying -shit- about a language, and fuck, it's their language (inasmuch as they're the only ones still using it)
asciilifeform: last time was in the 2.4 - 2.6 transition, really
decimation: the kernel is, yes
asciilifeform: the 'centrally imposed' i was speaking of was the 'apple says -shit-, devs answer -what colour-' one
decimation: but it is understandable why apple would want it on their c-machines
fluffypony: pity about their moneyh
asciilifeform: now, i get it, damn-near everybody is stuck in his particular gulag. fluffypony, it appears, is sitting in barrack where what-happens-in-apple-os-matters. i'm in one where they use weird zimbabwe money. etc. but being in jail doesn't mean you have to -like- it and deny the existence of outside.
asciilifeform: (short of chimeras in the vein of 'prolog' where anything you cook up is likely to be asking machine np-complete questions)
fluffypony: at the cost of X
fluffypony: the rejection of every abstraction, every high-level language, simply because it makes things slightly easier
asciilifeform not involved with either, cannot say for certain
asciilifeform: android works in much the same way as apple's regime, iirc
fluffypony: the circlejerk gets old after a while
fluffypony: sure, GC -> ARC is changing the label on a knob
asciilifeform: new can be a pleasure if done for some actual reason and not because a monkey changed the label on a knob
fluffypony: yes, let's all decentralise all of the things
fluffypony: API stability != complete API freeze forever, and the same goes for patterns and practices
fluffypony: also their transition doc has a 2013 timestamp, so if developers have taken 2 years to cotton on to changes then wtf, they should choose a different career
fluffypony: decimation: I don't get what's lol about that, .NET faces the same issue (as have many high-level abstractions / languages), whereby trying to force GC collections or modify GC behaviour invariably ends up being messy. Frankly, handing off to a reference counting system is way, way better than GC bullshit.
asciilifeform: there's no reason why we can't do an x86 build of this
asciilifeform: in the purple unit, that'll necessarily be a usb drive
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'll just have it probe (and if doesn't find blockchain, format) the largest mass storage device found at boot
decimation: lol apple https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=02202015a "Beginning May 1, 2015, new Mac apps and app updates submitted to the Mac App Store may no longer use garbage collection, which was deprecated in OS X Mountain Lion."
asciilifeform: next problem is how to get it to automatically bake into the kernel .ub image during build.
asciilifeform: (the default one. still need to cut unnecessary crud from it)
asciilifeform: then ramdisk gets built
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the trick is to run nbmake-evbarm from your TOOLS path, rather than nbmake
asciilifeform: yes, plugged into a jack in the back
asciilifeform: consider also that the 'connection machine' was not usable at all except as an expansion plug-in to a symbolics lispm
decimation: yeah, it sounded to me like he was mostly helping to 'sell' the machines to academic types
asciilifeform: but iirc all that is publicly known about his work there, is in that piece.
decimation: also the link that ben_vulpes dropped about feynman working at thinking machines was interesting. I didn't know he worked there
decimation: well, certainly it could be the case that the compiler is untrustworthy, but much higher on my list of concerns is that some combination of new-jersey syscalls I'm using in my code will stab me in the back
asciilifeform: i was genuinely floored when learned for the fist time that there are folks using a computer who have never so much as vaguely heard of it
decimation: ah, he's one of the new jersey folks?
decimation: yeah I have read. what I don't understand is why anyone would think that the compiler is the weak link in the C software stack
asciilifeform: not on the street near respectable people
asciilifeform: because the fate of ugly chimeras is to sit in a circus
decimation: yeah it seems like a waste of time trying to turn the c-dialect of algol into the ada dialect
asciilifeform: because that market is already thoroughly owned by the ada folks
asciilifeform: this is why the 'safe c' experiments never really went anywhere
asciilifeform: that thing was largely about how to write (or, more correctly, -not to write-) in the first place
decimation: I think there are tools sold to evaluate compliance with that standard
decimation: for instance, you mentioned the 'cert c' standard yesterday
decimation: which can levitate to whatever degree usg chooses, as long as it keeps these pipes flowing
decimation: well, the better way to think about it is that there are well over $1 bil bidding up the prices
decimation: yes, the section 8-A rent subsidy too
asciilifeform: then factor in the 'white men need not apply' subsidized housing from the other half of usg
ben_vulpes: oh wait the subsidy is for your *mortgage* not your *rent*
decimation: so imagine what that alone does to the local real estate bezzle...
decimation: now, I think there are well over 200k of military in your area ascii
asciilifeform: because they move you
mats: being an ossifer is good shit if you can live with the job
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: buys house they're moving out of or moving into?
decimation: yes that's a separate program, but they will buy your house at 'prevailing rates'
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc, usg also automatically buys the house at bezzle-planned rate if you get relocation orders
mats: folks are encouraged to get married so they can eat fo free
decimation: the whole business works out to be a backdoor gov't subsidy for the real estate bezzle near bases
decimation: ben_vulpes: yes, the deal with the housing is this: you get the full amount I quoted tax free
asciilifeform: this doesn't include private 'consulting' gigs, also, which many of these folks take part in
decimation: I had a friend in the wash dc area that calculated an O3 officer (roughly BS degree plus 5 years experience) makes about $140k in wash dc
asciilifeform: and then mircea_popescu asks why these folks don't buy one way tickets and join 'isis'
decimation: as you can imagine, this sets a 'floor' in the market
decimation: they just pay with usg fiat
decimation: actually there are plenty of single-payer rentals around your area
asciilifeform: as does anybody who does a 'crazy' thing for which the market is ultra-thin
decimation: actually in most 'modern' us developments it is against the hoa rules to have more than one family - sometimes even roommates - living there
asciilifeform: nubbins`: scarce rental market thing << you don't know half of it. virtually unheard of to rent a house here, other than by gigantic groups of immigrants or students living like sardines in can
decimation once went to the guatamala v. salvador match in rfk stadium - the entire place was full to the rafters
ben_vulpes did not parse the loop construct
decimation: yeah northeast dc is overrun with salvadorians
nubbins`: well, if nothing else, i get the scarce rental market thing
asciilifeform does not live in the city limits