ben_vulpes: so long as we're on the same page.
ben_vulpes: which supports my point of block interval as fundamental unit of time.
ben_vulpes: registrar doth not confer time magically, though
ben_vulpes: sure.
ben_vulpes: if you need precise time measures, watch an atom wobble. if you need "thing happened at time", measure it by block number.
ben_vulpes: timestamp being an artifact of derps.
ben_vulpes: still, rolling eyes. the only important thing is which block the event confirmed in.
ben_vulpes: that just means that the consensual time thing is poorly fucking engineered.
ben_vulpes: i'm rolling my eyes so hard at you my head hurts
ben_vulpes: now, clearly, i'm not reading source right now.
ben_vulpes: A timestamp is accepted as valid if it is greater than the median timestamp of previous 11 blocks, and less than the network-adjusted time + 2 hours. "Network-adjusted time" is the median of the timestamps returned by all nodes connected to you.
ben_vulpes: whose clock?
ben_vulpes: even "time" must bow to the blockchain.
ben_vulpes: when it was found? broadcast? accepted by first node? achieved 51% acceptance?
ben_vulpes: when did that block happen?
ben_vulpes: but adequate for pinning events to history.
ben_vulpes: not terribly useful for measuring, say, stamina in bed
ben_vulpes: the point i'm making (poorly) is that the block is a nifty fundamental unit of time.
ben_vulpes is frantically searching on digest algos
ben_vulpes: digest of thing is related to time how?
ben_vulpes: or whomevers.
ben_vulpes: depends on assbot notion of time.
ben_vulpes: ya plz, the log'd benefit.
ben_vulpes: i read some shit on irc one time
ben_vulpes: spec seems like formal term
ben_vulpes: whose computer, what tz, and why even bother with time?
ben_vulpes: how does this date pinning work?
ben_vulpes: ask i mean to say.
ben_vulpes: i tell ya, if i and my counterparty agree on a block, what's the point?
ben_vulpes: meh
ben_vulpes: now, a specific block in the chain - that means something.
ben_vulpes: what is time, anyways...
ben_vulpes: i want to timestamp a thing, i just put the hash of the latest block in in it and then sign the fucker. counterparty ibid, presto, contract pinned to blockchain.
ben_vulpes: so dates are lame, right?
ben_vulpes: nah, i just have a lot of man beef.
ben_vulpes: i also suspect that skin oils make a nice little bottom layer
ben_vulpes: jurov: you're missing a duration qualifier there
ben_vulpes: "get a house, settle down, give up on fun, otherwise you're a retarded child." << Dimsler
ben_vulpes: a few times yeah jurov
ben_vulpes: i was what?
ben_vulpes: wet wipes for the crotch is about all one needs.
ben_vulpes: jurov: if you're cleaning off the dust, you're doing it wrong
ben_vulpes: i mean w.t.f.
ben_vulpes: one use case that made some modicum of sense was this one dood's fuckpalace, but i was always amused that he couldn't just get down in public at the burn
ben_vulpes: "hi i'm subjecting myself to burning man but i want a temperature regulated environment but i can't afford an rv RENTAL"
ben_vulpes: i for one think the burning man use case is hilarious
ben_vulpes: indeed
ben_vulpes: tents a shit
ben_vulpes: !s pauper
ben_vulpes: see the paupery story for details on other "engineering" criteria missing from the conversation.
ben_vulpes: or a thing that i can knock together in the middle of nowhere for next to nothing
ben_vulpes: for a retarded markup
ben_vulpes: made by a giant corporation in the business of fabbing horrible shitboard boxes
ben_vulpes: i really need a pressed shitboard housebox
ben_vulpes: oh yeah shit
ben_vulpes: this has heat xfer implications that you've not considered.
ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: double-shell implies an air insulation layer
ben_vulpes: also source?
ben_vulpes: plus straw?
ben_vulpes: jesus it's like engineering never happened around here.
ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: so double-shell it.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i mean separation of panels? lifting of the thing?
ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: you can use plywood.
ben_vulpes: load condition?
ben_vulpes: bolted, yeah.
ben_vulpes: JuliaTourianski_: you've not bothered to read the link, i gather.
ben_vulpes: i mean - did we learn nothing from Buckminster Fuller?
ben_vulpes: having been in them.
ben_vulpes: (linked previously)
ben_vulpes: hexayurts are incredibly poorly engineered.
ben_vulpes: lolk
ben_vulpes: i failed?
ben_vulpes: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 new blood
ben_vulpes: mine, you missed the semis
ben_vulpes: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 new blod
ben_vulpes: ;;ident
ben_vulpes: yeah, except for the terrifying usg war machine.
ben_vulpes: hee hee
ben_vulpes: no meat, no veg. just foamed corn syrup with 'nutrients'.
ben_vulpes: they're midwestern groceries. mostly corn syrup.
ben_vulpes: *drumroll*
ben_vulpes: !up JuliaTourianski_
ben_vulpes: how many mb?
ben_vulpes: !b 2
ben_vulpes: what's complaining about email hm?
ben_vulpes: !s bravetheworld
ben_vulpes: julia_: ?
ben_vulpes: different handle back then
ben_vulpes: brought her around once upon a time for a reason mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: the master? the decryption key? the signing key?
ben_vulpes: well, "what's a key?"
ben_vulpes: (julia_: that's a good place to start with creating your own keys and keeping them safe. this is just as important as keeping your btc privkey safe, if not more so.)
ben_vulpes: ;;google ultimate gpg key
ben_vulpes: what sort of non serious capital oriented blahblah tits etc
ben_vulpes: there's only trolls in this channel!
ben_vulpes: lmao mircea_popescu stop copying me
ben_vulpes: dang.
ben_vulpes: ;;google first steps bitcoin-assets
ben_vulpes: (and i have an altcoin to sell you too ;P)
ben_vulpes: but if you're stuck with a tool that holds you'll only ever want to en/decrypt emails, you've been sold a load.
ben_vulpes: julia_: there's no cost to WoT entry beyond showing up with keys. if you can decrypt a string encrypted to your public key, you can enter the WoT.
ben_vulpes: julia_: can you encrypt and decrypt arbitrary strings with that or just emails?
ben_vulpes: duknow
ben_vulpes: julia_: since you're falling down the black hole, have you dabbled in GPG yet?
ben_vulpes: http://calagator.org/events/1250466855 << god bless portland
ben_vulpes: art meat is tough unless you art it?
ben_vulpes: i apologize sincerely for bringing this weep fest in here
ben_vulpes: bitcoin-assets is my refuge from the shitty horrible suicide-inducing world of web programming
ben_vulpes: i'm noping right the fuck out of this conversation.
ben_vulpes: noipe
ben_vulpes: no stop stop stop
ben_vulpes: oh god stop
ben_vulpes: i guess i'm into really elaborate masochism
ben_vulpes: m$ all about preventing developers from thinking
ben_vulpes: apple's shit's all about "end user experience"
ben_vulpes: microsoft, apple
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes: it's an abstraction for the sake of discussion, xmj.
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: who knows what "they" call anything.
ben_vulpes: operate in the boonies, can't afford and don't want to hire programmers, and so bring me on to do...forms. for enquification of work. in exchange for which i get dollars, and the opportunity to suggest other ways in which to make their businesses run less awkwardly.
ben_vulpes: so i've started bringing in the kind of work i started out seeking. internal applications for companies converting passenger 747s into cargo 747s.
ben_vulpes: what is dishonest work?
ben_vulpes: i imagine that i feel about running cables and laying literal pipe the way you feel about returning responses to http requests.
ben_vulpes: it's all just plumbing.
ben_vulpes: you also labor under an actual education in what comprises a computer.
ben_vulpes: options: derp on shitty, non-lethal web stack solving problems for people with "real" businesses in exchange for some nominal amount of cash and the "freedom" to write my own schedule, or drive hours to get to the place with the interesting multiphysics problems and...flourescent-lit workspacen.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> 'never hire man with fewer than seven or greater than nine fingers' shop ? << they were proud to offer the opportunity to sacrifice my parts on the shrine of their stock price
ben_vulpes: "oh hey if you want to work on the hot parts, you could also go live in the desert - miles from anything interesting! - how about it? we pay 65K pre-tax."
ben_vulpes: "hey kid, want to maintain this family of bolts' load certifications through stack reengineering after stack reengineering? live in LA, sacrifice meaningful human contact, operate in remote proximity to large piles of cash and famous people working on other, cooler things?"
ben_vulpes shudders at the memory
ben_vulpes: then the rocket folks gave me a tour of the life i could expect derping on the sexiest atom stacks around
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << i came too close to sacrificing too many valuable human-parts derping on atoms on salary to go back to it.
ben_vulpes: can't weld or work metal properly without the grinder.
ben_vulpes: oh and a grinder.
ben_vulpes: but also entirely replaceable anywhere with a 1960s industrial toolchain.
ben_vulpes: it's fair packable.
ben_vulpes hovels
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm reduced to that with which i cannot bear to part.
ben_vulpes: for lo, the paupery. we must maintain our own equipment.
ben_vulpes: vice grips (3, various sizes), wrenches, socket set, bike manipulation tools
ben_vulpes: various squares, tape measures, handheld sanders, an 18v battery drill and two batteries for same.
ben_vulpes: the actual tools i now own are hacksaws, japanese wood saws, various jigs, shitty quick-grip clamps, a stick welder (in the business-partner's garage), a cutoff saw (ibid), and a circular saw (...).
ben_vulpes: (chairs, wafer chucks, unattended production cells...)
ben_vulpes: once upon a time i built furnaces, tables, cabinetry, play-vehicles for the e-peen at burning man...
ben_vulpes: in re-packing the toolbox today i had a moment of gloom over all the tools i've abandoned over the years.
ben_vulpes: natural gas as well, for the localized heating of crank-turners.
ben_vulpes: but it has 3-phase and concrete floors should any want to derp thusly.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't derp on atoms any more.
ben_vulpes: slumlord must be browbeaten into providing and maintaining supplies though
ben_vulpes: access to piss tank(s) comes with rent
ben_vulpes: oh lord if the slumlord were even so competent
ben_vulpes: there's a nice symmetry
ben_vulpes: toilet paper, paper towels
ben_vulpes: paper towels
ben_vulpes: it's just a bay in a warehouse.
ben_vulpes pays 575 covering deskspace for 6, plus tp, plus pt, plus soap in restrooms, plus ping-pong table
ben_vulpes: i'm apparently even more of a pauper than yourself, and must maintain mobile work stations.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do we really need to rehash the best mobile compute hardware discussion?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm always confused by your "copyright and IP lolol" attitude contrasted with the "these contracts are copyright MPEx 20**" lines in the MPEx contracts
ben_vulpes`: mircea_popescu: regarding the north american indians - is their land theirs? is it not granted to them by the arms which surround, and worthless even at that?
ben_vulpes`: but ty
ben_vulpes`: humbug
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski but only those who committed the crime can be held liable for it - there's no sense in holding "a people" or "a community" liable for actions of their ancestors, is there?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: yessir?
ben_vulpes: (also horrible is how os x handles new windows for application a when application a is full screen on a monitor somewhere: nondeterministically!)
ben_vulpes: are you using the matsuhiro port?
ben_vulpes: and forgo meta-tab
ben_vulpes: decimation:
ben_vulpes: for extra hell, bind meta to cmd
ben_vulpes: to understand my helllllllllll
ben_vulpes: editor*
ben_vulpes: try working with a text editot full-screened, nubbins`.
ben_vulpes: makes me unhappy in my cage
ben_vulpes: not good for my tiny little brain
ben_vulpes: i read too much about lisp machines this weekend
ben_vulpes: just enough to uncover their wholesale inadequacy and go back to the miserable rodential dragging and resizing of windows around monitors
ben_vulpes: "a little..."
ben_vulpes: "have you tried them?"
ben_vulpes: "no..."
ben_vulpes: "and do you use them?"
ben_vulpes: "but there are tools for manipulating your workspace!"
ben_vulpes: i started playing with tiling window managers recently, to the horror of the golden cage people surrounding me
ben_vulpes: i'm coming to the conclusion that i'm an alien
ben_vulpes: sounds like well-cast braindamage.
ben_vulpes: is "human" 1000 across all of gnu?
ben_vulpes: right.
ben_vulpes boggles
ben_vulpes: "human" sizes, for instance: multiples of 1000, instead of 1024.)" << this is what human means on unix?!
ben_vulpes: "(watch GNU ls acquire
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you have background for naggum's "Free Software is a protest movement. Open Source is just a weapon." comment in that "business plan" thread?
ben_vulpes: anyways, there's "art" and cute undercontracted ladies parading around tonight. adieu!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "lawyer up"
ben_vulpes: at will my arse.
ben_vulpes: turns out, i'm liable for unemployment benefits if i fire someone for doing a poor job.
ben_vulpes: apropos only of retarded usian laws, i'm looking into employee-ing up.
ben_vulpes: goodnes
ben_vulpes: i was under the impression that it was the latter.
ben_vulpes: is it forbidden or just not practiced?
ben_vulpes: and didn't we already do the aerosol/vaporizing thing?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: only the ones who've not bought their own vaporiser company.
ben_vulpes: can't get a signal anywhere but b-a
ben_vulpes: overheating doesn't cascade in the T batts, but who knows if the thing stays online.
ben_vulpes: musk made some interesting claims about battery safety behavior in the presence of overheating during the Boeing fire saga.
ben_vulpes: mind you i had no hand in the actual design or most of the fab outside of the cutting of pieces to dimension (and the insisting upon of dimensioned pieces for cutting)
ben_vulpes: would never pass muster in any of the design or fabrication classes that i've taken, but i'll be surprised if it doesn't move from shack to shack for at least half a decade.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/YfwR6Q5
ben_vulpes: but i, spice racks, and with hand tools as this hovel has no machine shop.
ben_vulpes: not really articulating clearly, as i've been fabricating all day as well.
ben_vulpes: well, a face, and then rotate 180 setting the piece down on the spacers again before clamping to get the machine to define your planes of perpendicularity.
ben_vulpes: in that situation you mill one face flat on top of your spacers or whatever they're called (i've forgotten), mill the opposite face parallel, clamp in a vise and then mill the remaining important face perpendicular to either of the two previous
ben_vulpes: but i really have no idea.
ben_vulpes: the face to which the thing bolts, and the face which bolts to the other thing
ben_vulpes: i'm guessing that only two sides really need to be orthogonal
ben_vulpes: measuring orthogonality in mm?
ben_vulpes: not really an engineering criteria, that.
ben_vulpes: to within what tolerance, though?
ben_vulpes: thing about machining and code is that a pro is always going to tell you a number of ways to make it look better without materially improving the thing
ben_vulpes: might want to break those edges
ben_vulpes: kinda funny that your fingerprint's in focus but the millmarks not though
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you refrain from mocking me, humans can learn, etc etc etc
ben_vulpes: stale ;)
ben_vulpes: same as before .0075
ben_vulpes: fourth fixed offering?
ben_vulpes: new p.o., thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: alternatively, i know i know naught
ben_vulpes: i know not what i know not
ben_vulpes: my ignorance knows no bounds
ben_vulpes: whoa abcl runs on the jvm
ben_vulpes is a monkey with tools beyond his sophisticaiton
ben_vulpes: also infected with "niceness" - don't talk shit on js! it's not nice!
ben_vulpes: witness the insane popularity of v8 - js on the server!
ben_vulpes: programmers are the herdiest of creatures
ben_vulpes: get outa hea!
ben_vulpes: HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
ben_vulpes: nb, have not read yet
ben_vulpes: zidarski on apple's seekyooritee: http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=3875#more-3875
ben_vulpes: guessing it rounds to minutes?
ben_vulpes: %tslb_btc
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: some usians claim that some kinds of ethanol burn more "cleanly" than others.
ben_vulpes: great big fuck off tankers carrying the same shit passing in the night...
ben_vulpes: that is then shipped to S.A. for their "high grade" ethanol
ben_vulpes: well, crappy ethanol
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: cookies?
ben_vulpes: bwahahahat is going on there
ben_vulpes: rithm: steady state is an altcoin for everyone
ben_vulpes: re working at derpy shartups: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=u7tLFmD8
ben_vulpes: !b 5