decimation: actually there's a deeper problem. When you 'work' for a 'democracy', your boss is 'the people'
asciilifeform: overpaid << who envies these folks ?
decimation: so, sure some feds are way underpaid, but the majority are overpaid losers
decimation: re: federal employees overpaid < I suspect the whole system operates as a net with a hole - all the talent get sucked in and immediately leaves, but the bottom suckers end up 'caught'
decimation: how do you negrate the city of chicago
mircea_popescu: what;s the guy's name, Jon Burge
mircea_popescu: you or them, about even odds atm.
asciilifeform: but just as easily to another warehouse
ben_vulpes: where's the anger?
asciilifeform: i mean, yes, we'll go there when time comes
ben_vulpes: this "snore" attitude is part and parcel of the decay.
mircea_popescu: Its sort of an open secret among attorneys that regularly make police station visits, this place if you cant find a client in the system, odds are theyre there, said Chicago lawyer Julia Bartmes.
mircea_popescu: part of the reason nasdaq would like it to is that it's yet anopther "make bitcoin more like fiat retardness"
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mircea_popescu: thestringpuller part of the reason it doesn't matter is that nasdaq would like it to.
mircea_popescu: they'll be stuck arguing "context"
Vexual: New rules for foreign investors buying real estate in oz. You pay a small lubrication fee to the firb and despite any n shell companies you are liable for theoretical noncompliance fines.
thestringpuller: nasdaq.com covered that C4 nonsense: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/why-the-proposed-security-certification-for-bitcoin-matters-cm447831
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mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> (oh, and those "experts" in rails/django/yii/whatever tend to swallow wholesale whatever braindamage comes out of the "community") << that's because these are experts in groupthink, having come of age in the 90s at the earliest.
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> idk. noobs will make sites. and their wordpress blogs will be used in ddos reflection attacks. what can you do. << kvetch
cazalla: actually there is a new report.. may as well write it up
cazalla: microsft really enable these rapes because not only do the paedos use skype, but they use windows as well
cazalla: thestringpuller, yeah, i was gonna write it up under heading of hundreds of paedos use microsoft products to rape kids, but actually covered the report the above article mentions back in october or november last year
cazalla: it's old news btw, for some reason they dug up a report from last year and ran it today as new
thestringpuller: Adlai: drafting them to spec is difficult sometimes. Like coming up with a good statement of work, or an SLA
mats: (the ones that used to hang here, anyway)
thestringpuller: ah. Well he honestly thinks GPG contracts are failures because they are too hard to use...which is like retard believing he is not retarded.
mats: i spent the last ten mins reading BlueMeanie4's blog
ascii_field: boosts ego to the point of making any cooperation hard << wat
thestringpuller: the rails generate command is abused a bit too much
jurov: my impression of list is that it boosts ego to the point of making any cooperation hard
ben_vulpes: (oh, and those "experts" in rails/django/yii/whatever tend to swallow wholesale whatever braindamage comes out of the "community")
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the best webdev lanuage is PHP.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: there you go with that lisp nonsense again!
ben_vulpes back to the mines
mike_c: or, there's something about those that choose lisp..
ben_vulpes: there's something about working in lisp that seems to reduce the speed at which entropy chews apart a webdev project.
ben_vulpes: (most wordprexen are cobbled together from plugins - not terrifically difficult to reason about)
jurov: ben_vulpes: so everything sucks because idiots can use it to hang themselves?
mike_c: idk. noobs will make sites. and their wordpress blogs will be used in ddos reflection attacks. what can you do.
mike_c: so you are just offended by the offering of something between cojure/ring and wordpress.
ben_vulpes: the novice's desire to not learn how relational databases work and how to leverage their strengths is damaging to both themselves and anyone downhill of them.
ben_vulpes: oh and let's not get into the ORM.
ben_vulpes: and in their experiments with object oriented programming create these insane class hierarchies that are impossible to fit into human working memory.
jurov: and all other too
ben_vulpes: while they can all be used well by people who know what they're doing, most people using them categorically do not.
mats: a buddy of mine uses it only the daily. moans constantly.
mircea_popescu: "the Web framework for perfectionists with deadlines" ?
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mircea_popescu: i think it was in the logs from last time we did this
mike_c: you lost me there.
kakobrekla: a friend replied telling them he can fix everything that is wrong, but they dont want that.
mircea_popescu: the gays got their way with marriage prior to the freeze, but that's it. pedos aren't getting theirs.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the "sexual disorder" of the 90s is definitely coming to a close. it's too expensive, and to most dickheads undesirable anyway.
mircea_popescu: no, it's just provincialism, the same idiotic middle age women that run apple now run google.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field how's blogger.com banning porn further that ?
ascii_field: never know who might have to be 'robert borked' in the future.
ascii_field: porn - a-ok in usa; viewing porn without usg permanent record of the act - nope
cazalla: BingoBoingo: Bad google http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bans-explicit-adult-content-from-blogger-blogs/ <<< the amusing part of this is that the author of that article sued a porn actor who used the same name as the author, poor girl had to get a new name
ascii_field: (i do have one of these, http://i.imgur.com/EuoNzHn.jpg - ~18 usd - but it suffers from lack of sata, 32M(ram) 8M(rom), and a wifi chip that cannot be disabled - built into cpu and embedded antenna)
ascii_field: (expect mircea_popescu to retort 'throw the damn thing out' but i'll note that they aren't exactly in limitless supply - nor do we yet know of an alternate box that is)
nubbins`: so i don't need it unless i do, in other words
ascii_field: it is even theoretically possible to restore it if nuked 'uboot' as well
ascii_field: (the aluminum plate)
ascii_field: for other folks
ascii_field: if you've the time
ascii_field: they're almost certainly backwards
ascii_field: danielpbarron: the stock uboot iirc did spew something
mircea_popescu: they aren't thinking per se anymore than an ashtray is a party.
ascii_field: quite possibly a species only ever gets one or two of them
mircea_popescu: books are the defecation product of thinking.
mircea_popescu: tell me, if i burn the walmart in connecticut tomorrow, has capitalism had a setback ?
mircea_popescu: so then how's it a setback ?
mircea_popescu: i burned books myself, what of it ? they sucked.
mircea_popescu: meh i canbt find it. anyway, it was yet another of the "bitcoin has failed" but this one was because "greed made it not applaud gavin"
mircea_popescu: to illustrate what i mean, here's a quote from the mooks in question :
gabriel_laddel: On that timescale, sure. when it comes down to Schwartz and Stan having years of their lives wasted...
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i specifically dispute the stance that we're trying "again". it's still the same one try, and it's still going oin magnificently.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, "Did the writer not know that the use of the term "the real world" is usually interpreted as a symptom of rabid anti-intellectualism, or did he not mind? "
gabriel_laddel: "You don't need to take my proposal seriously because it is so ridiculous that I am obviously completely out of touch with the real world. But that kite won't fly, for I know the real world only too well: the problems of the real world are primarily those you are left with when you refuse to apply their effective solutions. So, let us try again."
gabriel_laddel: I now have had my foggy crystal ball for quite a long time. Its predictions are invariably gloomy and usually correct, but I am quite used to that and they won't keep me from giving you a few suggestions, even if it is merely an exercise in futility whose only effect is to make you feel guilty."
gabriel_laddel: "So, if I look into my foggy crystal ball at the future of computing science education, I overwhelmingly see the depressing picture of "Business as usual". The universities will continue to lack the courage to teach hard science, they will continue to misguide the students, and each next stage of infantilization of the curriculum will be hailed as educational progress.
ascii_field: the actual field of comp sci was annihilated more thoroughly than anything the lysenkoists did to soviet biology
mircea_popescu: "Academic computing science is doing fine, thank you, and unless I am totally mistaken, it will have a profound influence. I am not referring to the changes that result from computers in their capacity of tools. Okay, the equipment opens new opportunities for the entertainment industry, but who cares about that anyhow. The equipment has enabled the airline industry to make its rates so complicated and volatile that you
mircea_popescu: ly by the donation of equipment that had better be ignored."
mircea_popescu: "Under current circumstances I would not even attempt to promote co-operation between the academic and the industrial worlds, because it seems pointless and dangerous. I have come to the conclusion that, industrial management being what it is, it is extremely unlikely that computing science can save the computing industry. Conversely, the computer industry can severely damage computing science; it does so quite regular
mircea_popescu: besides the point. that's what being in a hurry looks like. "omfg, i wonder if there are many people following me", said that blair deffective while walking towards the elephant rifle in hand
ascii_field: not sure how the imbecile connects here
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field there are always plenty of crumbs scattered around for the man carrying a large enough hammer.
ascii_field: works great for now, while there are plentiful crumbs scattered around.
gabriel_laddel: Yep. It takes a while for people to figure this out though - especially when there are the remnants of actual intellects (von n., ulam) hanging around.
mircea_popescu: find your own crumbs. that way a) we're stronger and b) there's no "income" tax.
mircea_popescu: "In the wake of the Cultural Revolution and now of the recession I observe a mounting pressure to co-operate and to promote "teamwork". For its anti-individualistic streak, such a drive is of course highly suspect; some people may not be so sensitive to it, but having seen the Hitlerjugend in action suffices for the rest of your life to be very wary of "team spirit". Very. I have even read one text that argued that uni
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ascii_field: this is quite reminiscent of the elektromobile thing, imho
gabriel_laddel: ;; google Henry Kissinger "the battles are so vicious because the stakes are so small"
mircea_popescu: it mixes two things that can't be in the same sentence.
mircea_popescu: how exactly they do it is really no-one's problem unless they start doing particular things.
mircea_popescu: the "folks are to eat" thing is not a problem.
ascii_field: but electromobile's energy doesn't come from the gods
ascii_field: it is deceptively easy to avoid the problems of usg academia if you aren't trying to deal with the question of how folks are to eat. just like it is very easy for an electromobile to 'not pollute' - superficially - because it lacks a tailpipe
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mircea_popescu: why we don't want to all apply the same scoring criteria for people ?
mircea_popescu: re the entire discussion about "standardization" and how it's bad
mircea_popescu: even the fact that "firmly under scamzor control" shows that it's not a wot.
ascii_field: the basic cockroach in the soup is that traditional academia fights for usg table scraps
mircea_popescu: imagine the concept of "x is tenured for a1, ak but not for ak+1 an faculty members" ?
mircea_popescu: in the most important manner : it's summable. a graph is not.
mircea_popescu: they have a reddit.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field no they do not.
mircea_popescu: cultural diversity actually possible, for likle... the first time ever.
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: except that they -have- a wot. just, firmly under sc4mz0r control.
mircea_popescu: not merely the "don't run code not in your wot".
mircea_popescu: it's the intended use.
gabriel_laddel: I've been having fantasies about WoT for academic matters. The ability to turn off an entire viewpoint in a graph-traversal. Ah.
ascii_field: like in the old days
ascii_field is rather fond of dijkstra
mircea_popescu: " The external pressures to do the wrong thing are enormous, but yielding to them would be fatal for the academic enterprise, while resisting the pressure reinforces its strengths. The pressures are, in fact, so strong that I do not know a university where there is not some faculty or some department that has yielded, but there should be no mercy for snake oil pedlars on campus."
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel for the sake of argument, can you identify an university that closer adheres to dijk's ideas set forth in your 2nd url than b-a ?
ascii_field: on the workstation end
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Maybe like thestringpuller's it is missing << pete_dushenski: I think that got fixed. tumblr is lik dumb.
mircea_popescu: well anyway. when a bunch of idiots decide to make "their own exchange" and pretend like it has to do with bitcoin, it gets laughed at in b-a and goes away in about 18 months.
mats: i don't recognize any names on their about page
mircea_popescu: it has the old bitcoin fucktard impertinence to it.
mircea_popescu: another exchange that loves making total fucking asses of themselves, that's for sure. any of the old idiots involved ? rosenfeld ? kenna ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Yep. Aggressive intelligence frightens the luddites(?) who have temporarily taken over.
mats: idk. another exchange that loves bootstrap from what i see.
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: if you're interested in the eotvos thing, absolutely must read the old threads here
mircea_popescu: ahaha "like harborly" ? who the fuck ius harborly.
mircea_popescu: mats it doesn't even load on my system, so there is that.
mats: mircea_popescu: their reading comprehension is awful if they went and wrote this piece afterwards
mircea_popescu: "o look, we're stupid therefore carnot cycle doesn't exist"
mats: " When an indivdual wants to buy or sell any sizable amount of Bitcoin, they need to interface with a Bitcoin retailer like Harborly or an exchange likeBitstamp, all of whom adhere to extensive KYC (Know Your Customer) policies." whats OTC?
mats: " Currently, for pure Bitcoin to Bitcoin transactions, there are multiple ways todiscover the location and identity of the individual in question." IPs are not locations
ascii_field: ^ the piece of shit who has to die for there being any chance of al's experiment being run in the english world
thestringpuller: when you go to checkout, if you are using internet explorer, they charge you an IE tax to encourage people not to use it.
gabriel_laddel: (allow me to retract "flip out" - they don't address any of the arguments, say that it pattern matches for 'crank'. I point out that this isn't an argument and that every sentence is clearly falsifiable. Conversation terminates.)
mircea_popescu: and the very few that do work, take up bs jobs a la "pr". which, in romania, is just about the 2010 version of "hairdresser".
ascii_field: other end should be that little dongle
mircea_popescu: goes for a phd. parents support "education" becasuse parents are a) idiotic and b) mostly women buy the time she's 25 anyway
gabriel_laddel: they flip out
gabriel_laddel: I've given a few people links to PERUSING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY
mircea_popescu: ascii_field of course. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARENT PEOPLE
ascii_field: got enough of a squeak out of him to learn that he's alive, but he doesn't sit on the net much these days
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel we were going to put it on the cardano originally, but guy stopped answering emails.
ascii_field: still have the floppies.
ascii_field has the complete set
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nubbins`: and the answer is actually a fair number of people, university professors included
ascii_field: who: folks who know they have a 1 in 10 shot at employment if they play, but 1 in 100 if not
nubbins`: a better question, who would fuck everyone else in the world, in the ass, for a free book?
nubbins`: in his right fucking mind is the key
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller guy's just trying to matter, i wouldn't read too much into it.
nubbins`: there *are* more fees now -- rec hall fee, xyz improvement fee... but still a shadow of non-frozen tuition
nubbins`: there's been a tuition freeze here since like ~2001
ascii_field: outruns every conceivable other thing
ascii_field: but the 10-20%/yr increment
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that's not even the interesting part
mircea_popescu: tbh, there's absolutely no reason college time costs more than 10-15k in the us, either.
punkman: and we are basically exporting all the decent graduates, since nobody wants to live on 500eur/month salary
mircea_popescu: punkman romanians just make them pay, it's beautiful. "got a 9.9x on natl exams ? ok, free. got 9.85 ? 3k a year. fu."
punkman: mircea_popescu: it was great when they weren't all "no kid left behind"
ascii_field: thestringpuller: wurk
thestringpuller: ascii_field: you're leaving your house quite often these days. I thought you may have developed agoraphobia.
mircea_popescu: punkman thats exactl;y how it works everywhere, romania, france. "bacalaureat" is the proper term, tho prolly greeks don't use it ?
nubbins`: wake me up when they can play rachmaninoff ;p
ascii_field: at this point i can tell the topology being printed by the sounds, though not the geometry, and it's creating a strange picture in head
nubbins`: and he can now teach you their secrets
ascii_field is listening to a '3d printer' go, and it's strangely hypnotic - like 'dot matrix' printer but less grating on the ear
mircea_popescu: ascii_field no, it's 1 per 10k normally, and notice the age specification. you'd get about 1 to 300k 18yo suicides normally.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is "jay"
ascii_field: sounds pathetically low
mircea_popescu: imo this is the mark of a good exam. if you don't get 1 female suicide out of 1k, you'e not really doing an exam.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, about one 18 yo girl per 1000 killed herself (chiefly by hanging) for having done a poor job on the exames.
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gabriel_laddel: "The intelligence level shifts because the experience level shifts. Warren speaks on his experience from 1930 – Jay is from a different culture and different time in history. His intelligence should be measured by the decisions that he makes, not by stories he tells of his previous environment. Just the fact that he is making the decision to surround himself with a mentor like warren buffet should tell you a lo
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you readily can. it's like trying to keep a 16yo girlfriend today. think of that, you have the model.
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gabriel_laddel: ;; google sickboy's theory of life
gabriel_laddel: It seems to me that again, the basic mechanism is the same. But then again, I wasn't there, and surely cannot comprehend the suit fetish in its full absurdity.
gabriel_laddel: I had that quote in the scratch buffer right along with some others prior to posting in the chat. Did read.
mircea_popescu: " (If you even wondered why I did not join Disneyland or IBM, you now know why. )" << gabriel_laddel see ? right there.
mircea_popescu: The final reason for my refusal is that the habit appeals to the quantitative mind and I come from a culture in which the primarily quantitative mind does not evoke admiration. [A major reason that we considered Roman Catholics to belong to a lower class was precisely their quantitative bent: they always counted, number of faithful, number of days in purgatory, you name it.....]
mircea_popescu: "so they why aren't you ? why is it still the same three kiddie pools you're threading all over ? they're muddy and green ffs!" "sshh!"
assbot: E.W.Dijkstra Archive: The strengths of the academic enterprise (EWD 1175) ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8dLwR )
gabriel_laddel: Another interesting EWD for those who've not had the pleasure of reading Dijkstra: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD11xx/EWD1175.html
mircea_popescu: "we could be creative, there's certainly nothing keeping us from it" sorta thing
mircea_popescu: whereas the hoodies of 2010 are a testament of anomie.
mircea_popescu: perhaps. tho the "ibm look" of the 1980s was more of a testament of obedience, much in the manner an [insecure] master may mandate slavegirls wear collars.
gabriel_laddel: 's the same problem. Lack of contact with reality. Without a war or some such you'll have a class of people who revert to judging others by their suits/hoodies/lack of personality
mircea_popescu: today the issue is more "who is going to deliver the 500`000`000 beatings needed by these idiot kids"
mircea_popescu: a lot has changed actually. in 1980s the battle was on to get ibm to stop fixating on "ibm men wear suits" to the detriment of all else.
gabriel_laddel: "the tumor has grown"
gabriel_laddel: eh, not much has changed in the intervening years. s/moocs/knowledge-based decision aids
gabriel_laddel: nah, he lived until into the 2ks iirc
mircea_popescu: wait wait, the industry is to be trained to be worthy of all the outpouring social studies experts ?
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gabriel_laddel: ssage that neither slogans like "knowledge-based decision aids", nor a combination of adhoccery and brute force will do the job. (It is regrettable that large groups only come to their senses after their day-dreams have turned into nightmares but, this being so, we should occasionally welcome the nightmares.)
gabriel_laddel: And also for the American Universities the tide may be turning. Traditionally they have been asked to train the work-force for the American industry, while the question of educating the industry so as to be worthy of their graduates was left untouched. But, currently, companies in Silicon Valley seem to be folding up at a higher rate than they are erected. I consider that good news because it could drive home the me
pete_dushenski: so 'think of the children' is perfectly valid in this la-la-land because it equates to 'think of me'
mircea_popescu: as long as no children actually read the abominations.
pete_dushenski: they'd be better off writing children's books
pete_dushenski: and yet, they don't leave
pete_dushenski: and they imagine that their 6 would become 7 if only they were paid what they're worth
pete_dushenski: the only published salaries for private employees are 7 figures
mircea_popescu: rather than struggle to make it as a janitor at mcd.
mircea_popescu: they imagine that if they were in the private sector, they'd be contenders for vp of jpm