trinque: I feel like I'm going to get my startup profitable just as the roof caves in
trinque: not to derail current convos, but I finally caught up on the current events blockchain as well
trinque: mired in irl work until this evening, but will be finishing up then
mircea_popescu: and the answer is "nothing".
assbot: What ARE politicians doing that’s so important that they travel with lights and sirens? | Burned-Out Medic ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEo00t )
BingoBoingo: http://burnedoutmedic.com/2014/02/what-are-politicians-doing-thats-so-important-that-they-travel-with-lights-and-sirens/
mircea_popescu: notmuch worse than the historical forum.
jux: teamspeak all the audio bitcoin chatters/traders
mircea_popescu: who's they
jux: they just mentioned this place on teamspeak so i am checking it out
ben_vulpes: sure, the otp itself.
mircea_popescu: i thought they're single use ?
ben_vulpes: there an assbot persistent otp link per key?
mike_c: if we could sign into b-a with our facebook accounts we wouldn't have to get up'ed when we were in the field.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field dun take it teh wrong way, but! the thanking is kinda spammy.
BayAreaCoins: MP do you plan on pulling the CLAM bet on BitBet or is it going to run its course? If you do cancel it I assume the coins will just be sent to the payment addresses?
ascii_field: don't forget streaming audio from microphones chump voluntarily keeps in the house, car, etc
BingoBoingo: "Streaming Video" and online gaming are the USG approved application of surplus bandwidth
mircea_popescu: ah there is that.
mircea_popescu: actually intermittent low bw internet would be better for that purpose. keep the redditard busy
ascii_field: orlov, interestingly, argued that high speed net is key in the modern usg 'panem et circenses' program and will chug along long after problems with supplying the basics of life have begun
ascii_field: 'For a goat may butt, and a worm may sting, / And a child will sometimes stand; / But a poor dead soldier of the King / Can never lift a hand.' (herr kipling)
ascii_field: !s internet of the future
mircea_popescu: no argument that health care was attainable in the us cca 2010. just cost a liuttle more.
mircea_popescu: more's the point : it won't stay that way.
ascii_field: for ~1/5 the cost, probably, yes
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: high speed << not actually a major problem in the american population centres
BingoBoingo: But the FCC internet will give users Fat Pipes, to better DoS real people with.
chetty: same thing will be with the fcc internet : just fast enough people don't start making an independent one.// speed will not be the only issue, think china
mircea_popescu: same thing will be with the fcc internet : just fast enough people don't start making an independent one.
mircea_popescu: it's how africa's being "helped" : ban the perfectly fine fillament lightbulbs just as they get to where they could maybe make some, trickle in a little food so most people don't want to work.
mircea_popescu: no see, the socialised medicine is just good enopugh to prevent an actually useful, individual solution.
mircea_popescu: so basically, no high speed for the us. ever.
chetty: well this fcc chair was against net nuetrality a while back, then he had a meeting with ?? and 332 pags of new regulation (stamped secret) appeared. You figure it out
thestringpuller: except when you exercise it they just throw you into a hole
mircea_popescu: nah, because a) the usg doesn't care to steer you a particular direction. it only wants you to not move - it's a bureaucracy after all, it has no resources to deal with change, nor can change mean anything but it's ass ; b) the illusion of free wheeling is what's important.
thestringpuller: "I want to go to the strip club" "Cannot drive to that destination"
jurov: which there already are some
mircea_popescu: well... 200sqft "studio", as the case may be.
mircea_popescu: get some fed grants for it, idiots will prolly go in the box just to be different...
mircea_popescu: i should probably ycombinate a start-up to deploy tons of these in old warehouses across the us
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2015 21:26:58; asciilifeform: the fastest, thickest, most luxurious car is --- not having to go places.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if i could sell some cars to these idiots that are really wooden crates with lcd screen inside.
mircea_popescu: and still pushing the pki ridiculousness.
thestringpuller: ^- the new propaganda on encryption
mircea_popescu: "Even the projects that attempt to use it as a dependency struggle." heh
mircea_popescu: half way, because if the public interface is compromised it still sees all your emails.
mircea_popescu: PeterL sure, there's nothing but convenience requiring it.
mircea_popescu: Looking forward, however, I think of GPG as a very dangerous technology that really has to go away if we're serious about making it impossible for journalists, their sources, activists and other enemies of the state to survive in a NSA/TSA/ETC-only world."
mircea_popescu: Today, journalists use GPG to communicate with sources securely, activists use it to coordinate world wide, and software companies use it to help secure their infrastructure. Some really heroic people have put in an enormous amount of effort to get us here, at substantial personal cost, and with little support.
mircea_popescu: "Worse, it turns out that nobody else found all this stuff to be fascinating. Even though GPG has been around for almost 20 years, there are only ~50,000 keys in the strong set, and less than 4 million keys have ever been published to the SKS keyserver pool ever. By todays standards, thats a shockingly small user base for a month of activity, much less 20 years."
mircea_popescu: the oil and the water are separating, and no welfarist state-sponsored mixer can do anything abotu the accelerating rate.
mircea_popescu: "There just seems to be something particular about people who try GPG and conclude that its a realistic path to introducing private communication in their lives for casual correspondence with strangers. Increasingly, its a club that I dont want to belong to anymore." << well... granted, eh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not everyone's the outgoing kind.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or there'd be at least a few dead polizei
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gonna guess it was a 'suicide' rather than suicide
mircea_popescu: "That a public education system could disgorge untold legions of literate, numerate, and motivated graduates is beyond their collective comprehension. How unlucky the Caucasoid races are to have all the kids with learning disabilities."
mircea_popescu: this is exactly wrong. indigence is the state of being worthless.
mircea_popescu: til internet dictionaries define indigence as "the state of being poor".
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, chetty just found a layered bug in the stack eulora uses. one bug prevented the functionality (wrong pointer reference) ; the other bug prevented the previous bug from crashing every single machine all the time.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and you know, if you follow the course of events, #1 we went to anti-uspoettering debvian chan
mircea_popescu: nubbins` rather.
mircea_popescu: at this rate indiancandy1 is getting replaced with madonna on the short term.
mircea_popescu: that b-a drives "biutcoin foundation" policy is not even remarkable. that assets like the marlinspike dood are thrown in the fray to try and prevent a wot based republic however...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: BitcoinXT is the hearn foundation Bitcoin fork which has all kinds of features even Gavin rejected because they make nodes incredibly more DoS attackable
mircea_popescu: anyway, the speed at which the entire world seems to be coagulating around us is nothing short of impressive.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: but, how could the chief scientusk of BitcoinXT be wrong?
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 14:42:59; mats: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9104188 >> mike_hearn "In the world of crypto, where we've learned so much, yes old means bad. Almost always... How many crypto geeks STILL spout rubbish about how the PKI is totally busted and the web of trust is the future? Way too many... The future of encrypted messaging is not GPG."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033125 << what we've learneds is to take the usg party at the opposite of its word.
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 14:39:34; lobbes: "Looking forward, however, I think of GPG as a glorious experiment that has run its course. The journalists who depend on it struggle with it and often mess up (“I send you the private key to communicate privately, right?”)" << lol, this doesn't sound like a problem with gpg. I'll never understand this 'hard-to-use' argument. Just take an afternoon and learn the fundamentals!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033123 << yes but social media crowd "has no time". somehow they can jump the moment the damned phone blink, but to spend an hour to think quietly with a book ? not possibru.
PeterL: add that to the #b-a todo list?
mircea_popescu: (we, of course, which prolly means we're redoing the sks too)
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 14:34:59; mats: also deliberately misleading folks about widespread use with the quantity of keys on sks keyservers
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033119 << that may not be exactly misleading, it may just be he spoke too early. maybe the plan is to pop the sks system, and if they put a little pressure who exactly is going to stand up to it ?
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2015 15:20:03; mircea_popescu: the ONLY way i'd have them fighting overseas is if congress approves this plan whereby a) all territory we step on gets granted territory status ; b) soldiers once veteranized are rewarded in homesteads there, and HAVE TO marry local
mircea_popescu: "the alleged hacking of SIM card encryption keys" eh ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033036 << it implies the awkward situation where he's been an idiot, doesn't know how to beg forgiveness, represents instead that hey, at least claiming /his/ taste is somehow involved. at least that protects ego a little.
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 08:22:52; gmaxwell: man y'all will get a kick out of the latest foundation lol-event. They have some _utterly_ braindead 'blockchain voting' scheme for their board vote run off (gotta love changing voting infrastructure mid election for election integrity)
punkman: "The Xionsen Wine Company sells bottles of eight-year-old tiger bone wine, also fortified with tiger penis, for around £200"
assbot: Save the Tiger: The animals bred for bones on China’s tiger farms - Commentators - Voices - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQBgwS )
punkman: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/save-the-tiger-the-animals-bred-for-bones-on-chinas-tiger-farms-9636537.html
asciilifeform: some non-white colonisation failures << jp got there first
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel that's the plan. it won't work, but anyway.
asciilifeform: yes, eat them
asciilifeform: recently there was a widely-copied newspaper piece re: tiger farms
gabriel_laddel: it seems to me that if the west would just fuck off and let China have Africa everything will go swimmingly.
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mircea_popescu: that's how these economies always close.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the idea is that you have someone trading you 1 joule of fuel for half joule of electricity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's rather like how you cannot have an engine use more energy for, e.g., alternator, than burning fuel yields
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: back to the cn phactory gurlz, it's an open economic question whether a particular one can physically generate enough wealth to pay for 'carroting' it
PeterL: my brother works in the Detroit Public Schools, from his anecdotes I have little hope things will change there.
PeterL: you want me to go over to Detroit and organize the populace into something not a worthless mess?
asciilifeform: try the local immigrants
asciilifeform: no need to go to the continent, even
asciilifeform: PeterL: the quickest cure for this notion is to try it
PeterL: nubbins`: I am not saying self-sufficiency, I am saying rivaling china for output. I also have no idea how one would go about doing it, just saying there are lots of people in Africa which could be used as a resource for the right person
asciilifeform: they've developed an american-style agricultural practice for use in leased foreign lands, as well
asciilifeform: before the change-of-plans.
punkman: PeterL: somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized << China's all over it, but they might have to import a billion chinese workers
mircea_popescu: "hey, let's make it into the south pre 1830, then they can be invaded by lincoln v2.0 and have detroit!"
asciilifeform: if instead he drove 'mercedes' - then not so hot.
nubbins`: <+PeterL> somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized <<< surely external help running the show is the path to self sufficiency
asciilifeform: the carrot, as far as i understand, is that it looks like a great deal next to your grandfather's rotting in rice paddy
asciilifeform: what's the carrot for sitting at conveyor 12h straight with no toilet break ?
asciilifeform: zek sharashkas is essentially the same thing as where i live now
PeterL: somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it were spurious, africa would be the real china
asciilifeform: so the 'willing' part is key
asciilifeform: possibly even faster than the ones ordinarily spoken of
asciilifeform: this is, by some indications, a non-renewable resource that's getting burned up rather quickly
mircea_popescu: lol. they have no trees and now cows. think about it.
asciilifeform: or rather, it is
asciilifeform: china isn't in a deathcage match against rest of the planet trying for 200 yrs. to render its population for fat and to more easily get at the minerals
nubbins`: that's the q
mircea_popescu: heh. so why now then ?
mircea_popescu: notice that the us diplomacy is nowhere nearly as inept handling china. arguably russia is more of a threat tho, at least immediately.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this is simply what usg... is << i actually have a more psychotropic theory. basically, on some subconscious level, us knows it's become uss. and what it wants is, the validation of "well i didn't do anything useful, but at least the stupid thing i did i did WELL". this to be obtained, in the way such nonsense works, by confronting the symbolic representative thereof and "winning".
jurov: but some day i can see them going "financial service? yea we got some regulation for you"
nubbins`: they say they're shutting because they realized their customer db was compromised at some point in the past
nubbins`: incidentally, was there ever a qntra article about cavirtex shutting down?
jurov: i can see them trying to. only by sheer luck is what i'm doing covered as "financial service" atm
asciilifeform: this is how you tell the difference. but this is elementary alphabet to #b-a folks
asciilifeform: neither does kako's bet machine
asciilifeform: idk if these folks run the phillipino content farms, but they are almost certainly the shepherds of the usg db with palmprints linked to blockchain tx from idiots
asciilifeform: the way usg contracting works, folks eager-to-please get preemptively down on their knees
asciilifeform: PeterL: the notion that the folks paying are getting -anything- other than lighter wallet - is a laugh
mircea_popescu: they do a lot of contractor work crawling thre web
PeterL: ^from the trilema post just linked
PeterL: "The best way to go is probably fixed fee + per line fee or something." I like this, encourages less LoC bloat
asciilifeform: linked up with blockchain as well as they can
asciilifeform: take with grain of salt, but folks fairly deep in the belly of the beast have suggested that 'noblis' is where the handprints from 'bitcoin atm' crap, pseudonyms from 'changetip' chumpatron, 'aml/kyc' idiocy, etc. all ends up.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://codeclimate.com << the non WoT version of http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/
BingoBoingo: Maybe they figure everyone's depreciated reading /var/
asciilifeform: (why these folks insist on publicly advertising this act, is beyond me)
asciilifeform: had various mildly smoking guns for this in stash for a while, now add the fact of them crawling specific pages on me site
asciilifeform: thing is, the man knows what he's doing. not 'useful idiot', he. is including the zombie horde of 'people' for whom 'gpg is hard' in order to reach his conclusion, rather than reached his conclusion because useful idiot and automatically included them
asciilifeform: ^ pasted here for the record
asciilifeform: ot about Convergence. Years later, I had to abandon DoNotTrackMe (by a Moxie-run company, Abine) nee 'Blur' for Ghostery instead when the former got an update that kept hogging the CPU. An email to Abine just yielded a response to keep updating Blur, but the problem never went away.'
asciilifeform: 'I simply asked him -- in a private email -- if there was a signature for Convergence someplace because I didn't see any online. He accused me of being "inflammatory" and stated it was necessary to "take a leap of faith" (i.e. download and run it without verification). This was back in 2012, mind you. He appeared to be oddly anti-PGP back then, too. Frankly, after that I had no appetite for any more of his, erm, style and forg
mircea_popescu: mats: give it another four years and all the useful combat vets will have exited the service out of sheer disgust << almost there anyway, yeh.
mircea_popescu: were i putin i'd put something in pravda.us "Kerry is so inept I would fire him if I ran the US."
mircea_popescu: you know ? he's arguably not even PART of the usianistan.
asciilifeform: instead of derping like headless chicken for decades, publicly dump out guts - if can make a statement with it, so much the better
asciilifeform: this is why among the most brilliant jp inventions is the seppuku rite. (and, in euro world, the lesser roman version thereof)
mircea_popescu: right. neither did zimmerman until he one day started derping about "dark phone"
thestringpuller: mike_c: disappointing << people are disappointing no? otherwise we would not need WoT...
mircea_popescu: my heart was the size of a rice grain when djikstra got linked yest.
mircea_popescu: very. in there with bvuffett.
thestringpuller: reminds me of my current CEO, "Blah blah blah ENCRYPTION AS A SERVICE, blah blah blah. THE FUTURE." *applause from dumb audience here*
asciilifeform: mike_c: elsewhere he suggests many things, all of them quite zimmermanesque
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: cement << the relevant line is from ru poet vysotsky, 'Я тебя не трону, а душе зарою. И прикажу в залить цементом, чтобы не разрыть.' -- 'i won't touch you, but in my soul i'll bury you, and order cement poured so as not to ever dig up'
bitstein: asciilifeform: What I posted was the important part.
bitstein: thestringpuller: I liked Pierre's comment: "Everything must be candy crush UX with JavaScript." https://twitter.com/Pierre_Rochard/status/570412801908477952
mats: some of the hn comments are, 'lets make gpg as usable as facebook:
jurov: "After confirming your yes/no choice you will be looking for a way to get back to the other candidates to vote for them."
jurov: seems they built it on top of obamacare
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation run-off voting - I just went through the process and here to help : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/17Xy5sj )
mats: so try my Text Secure app on the Play Store.
bitstein: ^ That was the tweet I was responding to, not my own.
lobbes: reminds me of the 'bitcoins for all the people in Africa' mantra, and if it can't support that it is somehow 'broken'
mats: hearn and moxie start from the same premise, where tech and crypto are somehow going to paper over deficiencies in human relations and bring useful encryption to everyone everywhere, and somehow gpg is inadequate because it doesn't solve all problems they've imagined but don't actually present as problems to technically capable people
mats: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9104188 >> mike_hearn "In the world of crypto, where we've learned so much, yes old means bad. Almost always... How many crypto geeks STILL spout rubbish about how the PKI is totally busted and the web of trust is the future? Way too many... The future of encrypted messaging is not GPG."
lobbes: "Looking forward, however, I think of GPG as a glorious experiment that has run its course. The journalists who depend on it struggle with it and often mess up (“I send you the private key to communicate privately, right?”)" << lol, this doesn't sound like a problem with gpg. I'll never understand this 'hard-to-use' argument. Just take an afternoon and learn the fundamentals!
mats: also deliberately misleading folks about widespread use with the quantity of keys on sks keyservers
mats: then goes on hn to say he doesn't know what the solution is but shills Open Whisper Systems, Mailpile, LEAP
mats: gpg does suck in a buncha usability ways, but then he goes on to address exactly zero actual problems
Vexual: Free passage for the masses I say
Vexual: Youre allowed to touch the button to verify u know
assbot: Gemalto presents the findings of its investigations into the alleged hacking of SIM card encryption keysGemalto presents th ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dov6Vc )
punkman: http://www.gemalto.com/press/Pages/Gemalto-presents-the-findings-of-its-investigations-into-the-alleged-hacking-of-SIM-card-encryption-keys.aspx
BingoBoingo: punkman: gpg2 isn't really shipped with anything though because the interface on gpg2 actually sucks
BingoBoingo: gmaxwell: I'm just inclined towards giant RSA keys and presenting a hard problem. It's just I'd like the option. That and ECC is already keeping the money safe...
gmaxwell: BingoBoingo: not sure why you'd fault that. Any _general_ improvement in ECC pretty much directly translates into an improvement for factoring; the converse is not true. And all the alternative schemes for _encryption_ have high overheads and complex security stories (though one could use two cryptosystems in parallel intelligently for long term security; I tried arguing for that w/ openpgp years
gmaxwell: yea, well, I've given up yelling "get off my lawn" at people, seems the whole world wants to eat suppositories and other such acts of brillance; my patience in telling other people that they're wrong mostly ran out years ago.
BingoBoingo: The entire AJAX bullshit is a scam. All of that user facing javascript is just there to same them on the server bills
gmaxwell: It's just an extra sideshow on the general lolfest of incompetent broware.
fluffypony: I like GA for the interwebs, it's easy to block if you don't want to be spotted by it
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Google analytics is the worst.
fluffypony: cazalla: the smell is kinda funky
BingoBoingo: The lulzslide is spectacular in this case
gmaxwell: BingoBoingo: nah, it seperately tracks 'counterparty' value, like a colored coin, the bitcoin is irrelevant, and just gets around the fact that bitcoin core won't relay 0 value txouts and miners are lazy and don't change defaults.
BingoBoingo: To the best of my knowledge the counterparty altcoin s just BTC that's mislabeled when you look at it through their wallet
gmaxwell: looks like one can just take the 0.0021 BTC and not vote.
gmaxwell: looks like for each voter they fund them with 0.0021 BTC (and some amount of 'counterparty' altcoin, I dunno how to tell how much)
gmaxwell: They have some hacked up flaky counterparty wallet software that gives you some preset destitions to vote.
gmaxwell: sadly they didn't use this in round 1 where a real statement could be made by buying all the votes and assigning them to a joke candidate.
gmaxwell: Another interesting property is that it should be trivial to buy votes with this thing.
gmaxwell: yea, I actually thought there work there more or less made sense; it had some liability (since they couldn't seem to resist letting people think they 'spoke for bitcoin') but it generally seemed to be going okay. Mostly burning pointless peoples pointless time, sure; but it was nice having _someone_ in combatting all the really agressive fud that some 'bitcoin alternatives' are slinging.
BingoBoingo: I mean they were not doing too bad when they were just burning various agencies' time, but then they just pivoted and stopped doing that
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2015 17:39:09; mircea_popescu: this is exactly like suicide : the people who succeed we want. the people who fail should have succeeded.
gmaxwell: I also like that contacting Jinyoung Englund to report how buste things are, gets me a "I am out of the office Weds, February 25 through Sunday, March 1, 2015"
gmaxwell: oh the jim harper options are up now too.
gmaxwell: At the moment it seems all you can do is vote in favor of Olivier Janssens (thats why I'm able to see the address there), the rest of the options are coming up as "not available yet"
gmaxwell: (the site is so broken that I'm having a hard time extracting addresses for the other options)
gmaxwell: man y'all will get a kick out of the latest foundation lol-event. They have some _utterly_ braindead 'blockchain voting' scheme for their board vote run off (gotta love changing voting infrastructure mid election for election integrity)
ben_vulpes: if it's not one thing it's a dang nother.
ben_vulpes: the trick is (drumroll please)
asciilifeform: (from vintage quasi-usg catalogue, http://www.tscm.freeservers.com/stu.html - apparently this has 'always' been on the net)
asciilifeform: ' If you have a powered up NEXTEL on your belt and you walk within 12 feet of a STU-III in secure mode you have just compromised the classified key.'
asciilifeform: ada, like common lisp, is interesting for the mostly-complete absence of any obviously braindamaged decisions forced upon the user
decimation: all the examples I've found start with a 1
decimation: asciilifeform: why does usg keep wanting to bring back the cold war? nostalgia?
decimation: at least as long as the dollars keep rolling
decimation: unfortunately, this means that the current population of the military is strongly selected for nominal loyalty to usg
mats: give it another four years and all the useful combat vets will have exited the service out of sheer disgust
mats: that post is silly. the guard would fail overnight.
decimation: one wonders how many usg state department officers would be hired by other countries if usg went bankrupt
mats: "They have been persisting in their misrepresentations, lies, whatever you want to call them, about their activities there to my face"
decimation: who is accountable to a chain of bosses who ultimately account to themselves
asciilifeform: in actual practice, there's an ordinary boss.