nubbins`: mircea_popescu i recall at one office job, my boss' boss' boss was getting a promotion, and so called all 120 programmers into a boardroom, 30 at a time, to explain about his new responsibilities but nothing will change for the rest of us
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski> "because ADOPTION" is my new favourite slogan for redditards et al. << orphans seeking adoption. nothing wrong with the picture.
nubbins`: (incidentally, why does all the milk in the organic section loudly proclaim "I'M MILK!" in spanish?
mircea_popescu: This expectation is so ingrained that people in meetings routinely answer their mobile phones to say << maybe what has really changed is the expectation re meetings. just a decade or two ago, people would have expected meetings to serve a rational purpose and end with a result.
chetty: nubbins`, yeah got to admit I was a little annoyed with myself, no landline here either so no phone charged was kinda dumb
thestringpuller: nubbins`: one symptom of information addiction is "forgets to callback". People who check their phone compulsively will see a text or missed call and make note in working memory to get back with the person.
nubbins`: y'know, just in case the first 7 "ding!!!!"s were missed
thestringpuller: nubbins`: i find those who get snarky are the most addicted.
nubbins`: thestringpuller the "down side" is that for the first few weeks, people get snarky with you
pete_dushenski: it's the lowest calorie addiciton going
thestringpuller: nubbins`: i do this with texts. No vibration no sound. Have to put it on ring profile for them to make a noise. But usually you start to check messages when you feel like it rather than compulsively.
PeterL: but scoopbot was not looking at the titles, so I am kinda at a loss as to why it doesn't like contravex
chetty: <nubbins`> turn off the ring and vibrate functions on your phone, and leave them off.// most people just cant do that, already addicted
pete_dushenski: nubbins` lol i thought you were talking about the tracking device part for a sec
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller still.
nubbins`: there's a really, really easy solution to this
fluffypony: we should put pgp in the blockchain
lobbes: ave let a landline on their desk go unanswered during a meeting, so different were the expectations for reachability." << Heh, I've seen people do this.. still strikes me as rude
lobbes: "Now more people have mobile phones than have toilets. This has created an implicit expectation that you should be able to reach someone when it is convenient for you, regardless of whether it is convenient for them. This expectation is so ingrained that people in meetings routinely answer their mobile phones to say, “I’m sorry, I can’t talk now, I’m in a meeting.” Just a decade or two ago, those same people would h
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chetty: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/18/modern-world-bad-for-brain-daniel-j-levitin-organized-mind-information-overload
jurov: and http://w.b-a.link/otp/b6b4537ebb68f02c says "Bad request, could not find the requested OTP."
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000051.html damn i meant this thestringpuller
nubbins`: for that matter, Brother laser machines are pretty sweet too
thestringpuller: !up nubbins` hello there good sir
thestringpuller: they still make a good printer
mats: "The combined effect of those separation costs and the hit from the strong dollar will almost halve HP's free cash flow this fiscal year to about $3.5 billion to $4 billion, down from three months ago when it forecast $6.5 billion to $7 billion."
trinque: everything works; tomorrow I'll go over the thing looking for derps, then park it in here for actual use
jurov: no actually it is: http://ml.therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000051.html
trinque: seems like what you want is something where you can express the logic of bitcoin clearly, look at it, and say yup, that is bitcoin
trinque: getting utxos, right? that's left-join-where-null between the outputs table and the inputs table
trinque: perfect meaning the data is *never* munged
trinque: though if the goal is a perfect client, I think a real database offers helpful tools
BingoBoingo thinks key/value store in "bitcoind -base" prolly fine fancier databases prolly belong in "bitcoind -bchainindexer" when the functionality gets atomized, but take opinion here with hefty pile of salt
trinque: this experience will have me lobbying harder for sqlite in the foundation's client in the future
trinque: finishing the upload guy
mircea_popescu: basically, the story the 13 yo mutters to herself under her breath to replace unwelcome reality.
mircea_popescu: cazalla you know there's a word for this, among people who shovel this particular sort of elephant shit for a living (mostly, clinical psychiatrist)
trinque: mircea_popescu: hello there. https://blockchain.info/address/1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES
punkman: trinque, last time that happened I threw bucket of water on the loudest ass
trinque: punkman: seems like they're for simulating situations that'd be riskier to learn from in the real world
BingoBoingo: punkman: I dunno really. In this one chase followed having fun in the maze with the girl and started when girl began throwing rocks at the police from the maze
punkman: BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies << why is maze/chase/shootout such a common theme? always comes up when discussing dreams
BingoBoingo: I'd basically be doing what, loading trucks with office supplies and busses headed to the Uranium mines?
BingoBoingo: There were mazes, girls, low speed chases, shootouts, and orgies of celebration... Basically I dream in action movies
cazalla: ah, the life of a qntra writer/bachelor!
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cazalla: http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/25/citing-stigma-the-university-of-minnesota-removes-race-descriptions-in-crime-alerts/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Bitcoin is not your toy, OK! http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-11703
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 02:54:26; asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy
thestringpuller wonders when US will have their version.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in the german variant
thestringpuller: "A converted 24-seat bus, the execution van keeps the appearance of a normal police van on the outside with no markings indicating its purpose. The rear of the vehicle houses a windowless chamber where the execution takes place. Several cameras are present and feed closed-circuit televisions in the front of the van; a recording can be made if desired. The bed itself slides out of the wall under its own power, on which the convi
thestringpuller: The gas van was invented in the Soviet Union in 1936, by Isay Berg, the head of the administrative and economic department of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast which suffocated batches of prisoners with engine fumes in a camouflaged bread van while on the drive out to the mass graves at Butovo, where the prisoners were subsequently buried.
thestringpuller: The gas van was invented in the Soviet Union in 1936, by Isay Berg, the head of the administrative and economic department of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast which suffocated batches of prisoners with engine fumes in a camouflaged bread van while on the drive out to the mass graves at Butovo, where the prisoners were subsequently buried.
decimation: http://tgeonetta.com/cost-of-living-vs-salary-best-cities-for-software-developers-and-engineers/ < heh. apparently programmers in the new york 'profit' about $16k per year
decimation: related: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/education/2015/02/university_hiring_if_you_didn_t_get_your_ph_d_at_an_elite_university_good.html?wpsrc=fol_fb < The data revealed that just a quarter of all universities account for 71 to 86 percent of all tenure-track faculty in the U.S. and Canada in these three fields. Just 18 elite universities produce half of all computer science professors, 16 schools produce half of all business
asciilifeform: let them stand on head, crap in own mouth
decimation: 'nobody understands what p-values mean so let's ban them'
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/psychology-journal-bans-significance-testing/ < teaching the statistics 'controversy'
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mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/ecdea68078cfd3012de4b5bcda14f134/tumblr_mf6t4ill071rytnogo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform missed the gigantic 'no' bets after september's series
mircea_popescu: "i don't remember seeing before the parts i don't like seeing today"
mircea_popescu: "pull together" usg.
mircea_popescu: sure, we'll pull together : come swear fealty to me. bring me your daughters, let me name the head of each usg agency
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:49:54; asciilifeform: all you have to do, then, is to pile on the meat puppets, until suddenly there is a 'controversy', and there are 'points of view', and eventually - a 'consensus.'
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.'
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
decimation: the thing is, you need to learn to do what I say
asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy
asciilifeform: 'Because we have got to be willing as a nation to have a dialogue. This simplistic characterization of one-side-is-good and one-side-is-bad is a terrible place for us to be as a nation. We have got to come to grips with some really hard, fundamental questions. Im watching risk and threat do this, while trust has done that. No matter what your view on the issue is [... snipped crapolade]'
mircea_popescu: mike_c well, i think on the mid term qntra has better earning perspectives than whatsapp.
decimation: (other than through nat)
asciilifeform: if you have external ssh open (why?) into the thing, keep in mind that recent versions of freebsd had diddled rng
decimation: I use the edgerouter with built-in firmware, it definitely performs
decimation: that's a good point, usg cannot simultaneously recognize another sovereign country and also say 'give legit rulers all ur bits'
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: see log for one example
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: using your hands
asciilifeform: === 'planet is our banana plantation, shuddthefuckup'
decimation: "AS: So you do believe then, that we should build those for other countries [Russia, China] if they pass laws? MR: I think we can work our way through this."
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: lol, goodcop/badcop
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I've been to several stores and they put the Cisco routers on the bottom with sign "Spookware" and Asus routers on the top shelves with "No Spookware"
decimation: MR: I’ve got a lot of world-class cryptographers at the National Security Agency." < MR is 'mike rogers', new director of nsa
decimation: "AS: No, I think Bruce Schneier and Ed Felton and all of the best public cryptographers in the world would agree that you can’t really build backdoors in crypto. That it’s like drilling a hole in the windshield.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cisco dead << still crown-blessed, usg supply alone could feed it sov. factory style till the bitter end
mircea_popescu: mike_c cisco pretty much imploded once it became clear they're working for the usg against their customers.
mircea_popescu: "Chief casualty is U.S. network equipment maker Cisco Systems Inc, which in 2012 counted 60 products on the Central Government Procurement Center's (CGPC) list, but by late 2014 had none, a Reuters analysis of official data shows."
mike_c: trilema's monetization level doesn't support the current qntra share price to me.
thestringpuller: well given trilema is well monetized I wouldn't worry too much about qntra implementing a revenue stream in the future
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 23:13:49; mike_c: insanity. qntra bids are over 0.0003? going to be the priciest share on mpex soon.
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 01:48:07; decimation: He remembered having seen several trucks like this today in various parts of Moscow. Taking out his notebook he wrote with his dark-red fountain pen: 'Now and again on the streets of Moscow you meet food delivery vans, clean, well-designed and hygienic. One must admit that the city's food supplies are admirably well organized.'"
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 01:48:06; decimation: "Buffeting its load of tightly packed bodies, the gaily painted orange and blue truck drove on through the streets, passed a railway station and stopped at a crossroads. There, halted by a traffic-light, stood the dark-red car belonging to the Moscow correspondent of the Paris newspaper LIBERATION, on his way to a hockey match at the Dynamo Stadium. On the side of the van the correspondent read the words
decimation: maybe we can be in the same 'meat van' as asciilifeform when we are being taking the the sharashka
decimation: <nubbins`> probably unrelated but there's been a comms van w/ gov plates parked down the road from me for like a week
decimation: re: cosmonaut's gun: I thought it was for besting wild bears if the capsule lands in the urals
mircea_popescu: am i the on;y one ?
asciilifeform: if i knew for a fact that the bug -only- triggers on 'sandisk' drives, it wouldn't be worth thinking about at all
asciilifeform: another data point - the 2.6.31.8 linux kernel originally shipped with 'pogo' had precisely the same behaviour
asciilifeform: (yes, the capacity read by both u-boot and bsd is garbage, though deterministic garbage)
asciilifeform: forgot to include the detail, in profound_retardation.txt, that the sandisk drive is a 60gb unit.
asciilifeform: it isn't unimportant in the least bit
asciilifeform: ^ i mean srsly, wtf am i supposed to do with that. the unprintable garbage is key to the message
asciilifeform: so that's not the issue
asciilifeform: fucktarded turdatron ate another message of mine
trinque: just imagine everything's one of those, and there are no implicit orders of operation except up
trinque: yeah, but your other languages have expressions
thestringpuller: but the lispi-ness of it evades me for sure
trinque: thestringpuller: evil mode
thestringpuller: i don't use VIM outside text editing so I don't know the capacicty to which it is customizable
thestringpuller: alright them is fighting words
ben_vulpes: that is the point of using emacs.
thestringpuller: oh so emacs does all the lifting as you said earlier
thestringpuller: thestringpuller: like what OS, browser, text editor do you use on your local that you don't have to use a mouse to navigate?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: stack?
thestringpuller: trinque: ah. the only client i've used is mirc, and as I just told ben_vulpes i hate mice.
ben_vulpes: i never take my hands off the keyboard.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: who said anything about mice?
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: i used to belive this but I don't like using mice. I find the use of a mouse kills my wrist.
ben_vulpes: but for other things, it is not.
ben_vulpes: it's good for the things for which it is good
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: re tmux etc like alf, i pretty much refuse to work in a terminal
trinque: where is the simple bouncer
ben_vulpes: all i really know is how to ask about what others do and run my own experiments.
asciilifeform: emacs is unbeatable on account of the customizations - not only of appearance (i've a different highlighting mode for every type of animal, and most are not the stock included ones) but mechanics - how do folks get along on other editors without 'hungry arrow keys', for example ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i enjoy colours, good fonts, etc. and so will not use emacs in a term if there's any choice about it
ben_vulpes: the most obvious route to me at the time was to run emacs in a terminal on a remote host.
asciilifeform: (if this was in the log - link to log)
asciilifeform: why switched from that to the remote thing ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i presume the second item on this list was a build of traditional emacs for apple ?
ben_vulpes: followed by emacsclient crashing emacs --daemon every time the x11 frame disappeared
ben_vulpes: the progression was
asciilifeform: mostly trad emacs but with gui hooks for the os
asciilifeform: iirc the canonical emacs on apple is 'aquamacs'
ben_vulpes: i've finally grown up a bit then i guess.
ben_vulpes: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/32423?project=1 << emacs over x11. am i the only one who does this?
pete_dushenski: start chipping away at the establishment and all that
pete_dushenski: "Pakistan has ordered cellphone users to verify their identities through fingerprints for a national database being compiled to curb terrorism." << maybe pakis should read old nyt ? http://www.truthinjustice.org/fingerprint-myth.htm
pete_dushenski: ascii_field just so i can have a ballpark feel for the numbers, let's say dc
pete_dushenski: "thank you for carrying out our policy, here's the bill"
pete_dushenski: in theory-land ?
assbot: Hey /halophoenix, tip of the cap for mentioning GPG in your list of 'best file encryption tools'. Consider this an invite to bitcoin-assets.
pete_dushenski: mr. henry (lifehacker author) is apparently flattered at the b-a invite: https://twitter.com/halophoenix/status/570723112498679808
mike_c: insanity. qntra bids are over 0.0003? going to be the priciest share on mpex soon.
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pete_dushenski: ascii_field:don't forget streaming audio from microphones chump voluntarily keeps in the house, car, etc << when it's already in your pocket...
pete_dushenski: fast enough for my needs, but they're not exactly giving it away
jurov: kako hasn't flushed the bash since feb 9
cazalla: my own personal rule of thumb - those who task themselves to combat cp are more likely to be producers/consumers
cazalla: yeah, couldn't think of another way to make it work so i left it as is, reader can replace it with whatever they so choose i guess
jurov: prolly with the "hard" left in
pete_dushenski: cazalla re: kiddy porn: "Fortunately, the <del>hard hitting journalism</del> published by The Daily Mail" << doesn't parse with this part nixed
pete_dushenski: that's not easy ? there's like 1000 buzzfeed articles describing exactly how to do exactly that
lobbes: 'faux-nerdism' is the rage nowadays
pete_dushenski: and quite despite the 'women in tech' lowering of barriers to entry
assbot: Hey /halophoenix, tip of the cap for mentioning GPG in your list of 'best file encryption tools'. Consider this an invite to bitcoin-assets.
pete_dushenski: figured i'd send the lifehacker dood an invite: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/570711085440897024
cazalla: only difference.. i swear there were more girls in #teenchat back in the 90s or at least more boys pretending to be girls
cazalla: yeah irc is the best, not sure why i left it so many years ago in favour of icq, msn messenger, steam chat treadmill
pete_dushenski: to quote myself: "IRC, it being the first, biggest, bestest bastion of free-thinking men and all that"
pete_dushenski: block all the mean peoples!
mats: working for a PMC is a sweet hustle. get into a NG SF group, take work leave, teach iraqis trig so they can do some basic artillery targeting.
pete_dushenski: i suppose there are less useful uses for us military training than caramel frappuccinos
pete_dushenski: shultz is on record as saying that he plans to hire 10k veterans in the next couple of years
mats: the ones that aren't broke from carrying 70+ combat loads, sure.
pete_dushenski: mats:give it another four years and all the useful combat vets will have exited the service out of sheer disgust << to go work at sbux for schultzy ?
cazalla: unless i'm confusing him with someone else, i remember the name from an aussie forum 15 years back where one could learn to use a mcdonald's straw to get free phone calls from payphones.. amongst other things lol
pete_dushenski: fortunate beasts are they who don't starve as nature intended
mike_c: he's done some cool stuff in the past. most famous (at least to me) for some ssl mitm stuff he built.
pete_dushenski: decimation:re: federal employees overpaid < I suspect the whole system operates as a net with a hole - all the talent get sucked in and immediately leaves, but the bottom suckers end up 'caught' << their getting caught is like a lottery winner getting caught
pete_dushenski: then again, i'd never heard of moxie until he decided to be a retard so i dunno if he really had that much cred to begin with. i assume he was small but not insignificant
pete_dushenski: usg's gotta throw all its turds at the wall
cazalla: yeah, i read the twitter discussion too
pete_dushenski: sorta what kicked the whole thing off on twitter at least
pete_dushenski: cazalla the gmaxwell bit ?
trinque: my identity is as imagined as the god I used to believe in
ascii_field: their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males, a group Calhoun termed “the beautiful ones,” never sought sex and never fought—they just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection.'
ascii_field: 'Normal social discourse within the mouse community broke down, and with it the ability of mice to form social bonds. The failures and dropouts congregated in large groups in the middle of the enclosure, their listless withdrawal occasionally interrupted by spasms and waves of pointless violence. The victims of these random attacks became attackers. Left on their own in nests subject to invasion, nursing females attacked
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller ;)
mircea_popescu: if person has enough sense to limit how much agencyless activity they put out, they will stand a much better chance to develop an actual idenity, and so not find themselves at age 40 flying planes into buildings.
trinque: mircea_popescu: that's an exceptionally clarifying statement, and one which I think helps me articulate the identity thing
thestringpuller: ah pete_dushenski the trap philosopher :D
trinque: his note got a little slogan laden, but I unerstand the grief
mircea_popescu: the entire "act from cause not towards purpose" thing on trilema is exactly a vaccine against that.
mircea_popescu: this results in broken identity, and there's literally no solution except carnage (bring down that density), which is why people who figure it out usually leave a note where their assault rifles used to be.
mircea_popescu: identity is the result of action. action requires agency. a perverse system (such as any high density population will always create) separates action from agency. ("i'm only doing my job").
trinque: seems having a name creates this bundle of "I am" in the head, which people protect as they do their own bodies
trinque: trying to articulate the actual question
pete_dushenski: if he sat still for a moment, you'd forget who was in the white house
mircea_popescu: that's the measure of power.
mircea_popescu: how long can you stop the machine before you're simply replaced ?
mircea_popescu: is the same the case for you ? if you simply stop doing your cog-part, is there any pressure ?
mircea_popescu: hey, you're a big player, right ? not doing anything is the default, i'm sure caesar could sit on his ass in the castrum and play dice with the centurions for three straight winters if he so wanted.
mircea_popescu: The money isn't corrupting him into thinking childhood bipolar is underdiagnosed-- he truly believes it. The reason he believes it is his entire professional existence-- his whole identity-- is predicated on believing it. He's not a scientist, he's a priest.
mircea_popescu: If Biederman never existed, nothing would be different. You read his resume, you think, wow, he's a big player. You don't realize that if he didn't exist there would be some other person in his exact position, who would also have become a Distinguished Professor, won awards, written 450 publications, etc. The machine was already in place, his slot was going to get filled; his mind didn't discover anything, those res
mircea_popescu: We aren't overmedicating kids because Biederman told us to; we're doing it because Harvard told us to. And Harvard told us to because that is what they are getting money to study. Biederman is just the nanobot that does it.
mircea_popescu: The real money, the real problem that goes unmentioned is the money that goes to universities, in the form of research grants. Biederman may have pocketed $1M, but I'm sure he was awarded much, much more for clinical trials-- money which he didn't get any of, which went to Harvard.
mircea_popescu: Believe me, I am no friend of Biederman's. But the money is a red herring. If you want to be angry about the specific ethics of a psychiatrist receiving Pharma money, fine, but I am telling you it is not worth the Senate time, not worth press space.
mircea_popescu: ahhh the splendor that is tlp. allow me to quote http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/07/academics_hide_drug_company_pa.html
mircea_popescu: the only practical thing it does is it forces women to shut up, with the resultant shutdown of welfare, classes with no grades, coddled children etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the notion that dod is dumb enough to re-do vietnam...
chetty: think of all the fun to be had rebuilding trinque
trinque: haven't ever been certain whether that was a metaphor