asciilifeform: basic in the sense of maximally distant from applications.
gabriel_laddel: (conceptually basic, atoms and the like, or basic in the sense of a starting point that is eventually abandoned, e.g., alchemy)
gabriel_laddel: the effective use of computing machines iirc
decimation: what 'basic science' did the manhattan project advance?
gabriel_laddel: "it's admittedly the case that 'basic science' seems to be advanced mostly through 'dumb luck'"
asciilifeform: (or not so happily, as the case may be)
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decimation: I'm not using the word 'random' to mean 'acausal'
gabriel_laddel: decimation: afaik, no one predicted leonardo, but there were three generations of masters preceding him. He learned from their works
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gribble: Symbolics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolics>; Symbolics.com : The first and oldest registered domain name on the ...: <http://symbolics.com/>; Symbolics, Inc.: <http://www.symbolics-dks.com/>
gribble: Manhattan Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project>; The Manhattan Project [ushistory.org]: <http://www.ushistory.org/us/51f.asp>; Manhattan Project | United States history | Encyclopedia Britannica: <http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/362098/Manhattan-Project>
asciilifeform: which was known for a rather long time prior to becoming an industrial product
gribble: John von Neumann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann>; John von Neumann | Institute for Advanced Study: <https://www.ias.edu/people/vonneumann>; History of Computing Science: John von Neumann: <http://www.eingang.org/Lecture/neumann.html>
asciilifeform: any who are inclined, as mircea_popescu seems to be, to think that 'any idea can be tested and developed in your cellar' should study the history of semiconductor
decimation: in the sense that some crank comes up with an idea that happens to be right, rather than the result of some carefully arranged program of research
decimation: asciilifeform: "-ev" < it's admittedly the case that 'basic science' seems to be advanced mostly through 'dumb luck'
gabriel_laddel: "measuring the fucking crystals" << "MPEX is just a bitcoin security exchange, just like any other bitoin security exchange"
asciilifeform: fact is, 'basic science' is -ev when viewed through the lens of a typical human lifespan
asciilifeform: and why they might like to throw it into a strongly -ev pit
mircea_popescu: but it's inescapable. everything's getting forked. gpg, linux, the world.
asciilifeform still thinks the crystal thing made perfect sense in light of protagonist not being ready to 'fork physics'
mircea_popescu: draw up the entire putative history eight nine steps removed in all directions, till the night comes and we go home.
mircea_popescu: lettuce all sit forever and ponder the implications of asking the girl out, of measuring the fucking crystals, of spitting on the ant.
mircea_popescu: as if. but somehow, a billion idiots picked this bit of shoeshiner's philosophy as their foundational line.
mircea_popescu: the story of individual america is basically one line : "there's no difference between the rich man and the poor man who hasn't yet decided what to buy".
decimation: yeah in fact the reason the us succeeded as it were for the first hundred years was because there was much empty virgin territory, so people could 'express agency'
mircea_popescu: prolly the same exact fundamental.
mircea_popescu: not to mention the "all metaconsiderations, no agency"
mircea_popescu: somehow the world should be impressed with this "progress", much in the manner parents should be impressed with "look, no hands!"
mircea_popescu: anyway, everything in that world devolves to spam, it's one and only true mother.
mircea_popescu: decimation there's a reason i don't live in "civilised" shitholes. i can taste their "feasts of engineering".
decimation: "Over the past few years, the food industry has embarked on an operation it dubs “clean label”, with the goal of removing the most glaring industrial ingredients and additives, replacing them with substitutes that sound altogether more benign." "If you noticed that it contained an amino acid such as L-cysteine E910, your enthusiasm might wane, especially if you happen to know that this additive can be derived from animal and human
decimation: "The strapline for a product called Butter Buds®, described by its makers as “an enzyme-modified encapsulated butter flavour that has as much as 400 times the flavour intensity of butter”, sums it up in six words: “When technology meets nature, you save.”"
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decimation: mircea_popescu: I assume you saw this article http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/21/a-feast-of-engineering-whats-really-in-your-food
mircea_popescu: there's fruit, and it's grandiose. then there's "fruit", imported by supermarkets for the usian market. you can get quite startling contrasts by buying in both.
decimation: in the major italian tourist cities, the 'inner ring' around the tourist sites are full of restraunts that are obvious chumpatrons targeting usians and germans
asciilifeform: something like 'decay isn't this old witch who walks around, it's you and i having bad aim and missing the pisser'
asciilifeform: there's a great ru line from, i think, 'dog's heart'
mircea_popescu: or is it just, like the gestapo, simply the only shared figment of their infertile imaginations ?
asciilifeform: my brain melted the first time i learned that many folks in usa can't really make themselves eat actual food
mircea_popescu: there's even a chain of HORRIBLE icecream. in this town, that has the best icecream i have ever tasted, by a long shot, and abundantly supplied by numerous artisanal gelaterias
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the observation that usa tends to 'follow' the expats wherever they happen to congregate en masse, is an old one
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if they deliberately constructed a home away from home, these people.
mircea_popescu: the places where usians go ? shit service, shit food.
mircea_popescu: the soviet restaurant thing is quite palpable here in argentina.
asciilifeform: what al does in his cellar, only the devil knows
gabriel_laddel: Ah. I'd like to point out that Al, unlike Mr. M has done useful work in the interim.
asciilifeform: and so tries to carve some corner for himself in the shadow of the seemingly-invincible thousand-year reich
asciilifeform: ^ from mr mold's old post, dropped here for the record
asciilifeform: 'A money-losing economy, like a money-losing restaurant, sucks. It sucks in all kinds of ways that have no apparent connection to finance. The entire dining experience is grim. This, indeed, is the experience of the entire "old economy" outside the little bubbles of Silicon Valley and Wall Street. My in-laws live in Columbus. Columbus sucks. Even with Chairman Ben's 85-billion-a-month bond-buying "recovery." It is more
kyuupichan: Got rejected as no zeroconf but they were, so either reconsider or refund, but at the moment as you think zero was sent you won't be refunding anything right?
kyuupichan: Hello, bitbet is stuck on the blockchain.
decimation: asciilifeform: it seems the polarization version of the experiment would be much easier to set up
asciilifeform: i even marvel that he managed to grow the benzil crystal without going to jail
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a thought : if al spent the past five years measuring things rather than skulking, he'd be in a much better position todasy than five years ago.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: well, as the resident expert, would you mind expounding on these costs?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i can only speak re: the costs of the component which i was to wangle time on
mircea_popescu: well you asked as to the logisticsa.
asciilifeform: essentially, according to 'neutral' folks in physics, al simply doesn't -get to- make the instrument
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I don't know the cost associated with calibrating these instruments and can't speak to the truth of that
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel the problem isn't exactly of the equipment. the problem is that if you make new equipment, you don't know if you're measuring the new equipment vs the old equipment or an actual effect.
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asciilifeform: the one i very nearly ended up participating in, is described (roughly) in earlier link
gabriel_laddel: so as to demonstrate exactly why it isn't as easy as "just measure the thing"
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: there were two proposed experiments.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: would you mind explaining the exact logistics of the equipment you'd need to put together to run the experiment?
asciilifeform: except if the difference only becomes palpable a few $b and decades later, it does't really exist to the naked eye
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform look, irrespective of all that : he can just do the thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is a fundamental difference between lysenko (nutter whose shit DIDNT WORK) and this (if it works)
asciilifeform: al actually spent years battling idiots who 'forked physics' and 'forked chemistry' on usenet, in much the same style as mpoe-pr battled btc sc4mz0rz
asciilifeform: that is, if one day we simply exterminate them, he still hasn't really won, just sat down in lysenko's throne
mircea_popescu: not is of course practice, which is to say : if I were to declare I am ignoring "all that Einstein jazz", all physics penned after 1900 or so, and then built a cathodic tube television that worked just fine without accounting for quantum effects, the trashing and bashing of Einstein fans would be all in vain : I'll just shrug my shoulders, keep building and selling my television sets and care not on whit of whatever th
mircea_popescu: "This flat, unyielding ignorance-as-the-forerunner-of-oblivion is both perfectly safev and exactly the adequate pill for the poison in dicussion, because it expends very little productive effort on the part of the productive members of society, while at the same time forcing upon the unproductive the exact Gordian knot they've been trying to talk their way around (and plenty, no doubt, hoped they had succeeded). That k
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some reason i thought you had a handle on the 'provenance' thing - that is, that al doesn't win unless his opponents actually lose by their own rules and surrender by their own free hand
mircea_popescu links http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ here, and then proceeds to quote from http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
asciilifeform: what if chlorophorm cost what the 'difference engine' cost.
mircea_popescu: this meta cancer upon the modern brain. people spend so much time considering "the implications" of shit that never happened they have no energy left to do stuff.
mircea_popescu: imagine! "i won't accidentally discover clorophorm unless it can be used as an anesthetic!"
asciilifeform: see if effect can be had somewhere -left- of the eigth decimal
asciilifeform: have the thing pursued
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: walk where? wants grant money for himself as a result of the discovery?
mircea_popescu: all this nonsense of little girl stuck on the trans side of maturity river, discussing whether she wants to cross or not, what if the cis side won't be all that it's cracked up to be etc. wtf.
mircea_popescu: you will notice that the scam foundation is being fucking buried. in spite of... welll... consensus.
asciilifeform: al doesn't, as i understand, agree. he wants it to keep walking from there
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what anyone else does ?
asciilifeform: then what
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's gedankenexperiment. say we build the thing and it runs as predicted (see the last chemistry.stackexchange link for what we'd be doing, roughly)
gabriel_laddel: the US is fucking nuts right now. you live in a bubble of sanity
mircea_popescu: just measure the damned thing. if it doesn't come out, either refine the machinery or give up.
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 15:36:04; mircea_popescu: no wonder everyone in the us needs a college degree. there's no way native intelligence could deal with a tenth of the cognitive dissonance dished out on a daily basis.
mircea_popescu: the shit's hard enough without waiting for complex voodoo to allign.
gabriel_laddel: If you're not strong enough now, retreat, lick your wounds and then strike when the time is right.
gabriel_laddel: As far as I can tell, it comes down to the basic strategic necessity of killing your enemy when you indend to.
asciilifeform: aha see they are only interested in finding effect predicted by the usg-sponsored paper machine
gabriel_laddel: "1) Search for experimental signs of quantum gravity that violate Einstein's Equivalence Principle and/or the Newtonian inverse-square law."
asciilifeform: incidentally, he mentioned that other folks also offered to arrange, and he held off for same reason
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: but this is not germane to the issue. << Oh, but it is. These people are prepared to lie at every turn. See the stack overflow post, or the output of the Eot-wash group. If Al or Stan were make a mistake in the run, they'd never be able to test it again.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he thought (as of our last at-length exchange, ~3 yrs or so) that he still had a chance to make the torsion balance owners see the light
asciilifeform: the actual matter here is 'what's one physical effect vs hundred thousand respectable careers of respectable people (tm)'
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing why some other blokes aren't testing it, we're discussing why the proponent isn't.
mircea_popescu: but this is not germane to the issue.
gabriel_laddel: but the grant funding people don't know this
asciilifeform: they proclaimed 'settled' after 'carefully testing' left- and right-handed machine screws in a torsion balance
gabriel_laddel: The Eot-wash group won't test this. And the string theorist in that stackoverflow question is more than happy to state that because a large construction of molecules falls at the speed we expect it to, it couldn't possibly happen on a small scale.
mircea_popescu: "the enemy" coudl as well be in korea.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the interesting thing, and important to explain mircea_popescu's puzzlement, is that the enemy has been studiously arranging experiments to avoid actually testing the effect in question and declaring it 'settled'
gabriel_laddel: What Al would like to test is pretty simple. Is gravity mirror-symmetric? If it is, then you can drop two stereoisomers in a vacuum, and they'll fall at the same rate. We don't know that this is the case, and the universe actually violates mirror-symmetry on many scales. Perhaps a violation will be observable.
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asciilifeform: anyone who still gives a damn - read the paper.
asciilifeform: and, incidentally, there are other chiralanes possible (you can generate them as computer model, that is. there is, afaik, no known synthesis for any of them)
asciilifeform: actually my explanation is off, the center is topologically unique. but the thing meets none of the ochem textbook graph-theoretical definitions for chirality
mircea_popescu: but the big ball in teh centre
asciilifeform: (as they typically aren't on a model)
mircea_popescu: what's in the middle, sulphur ?
asciilifeform: that is, each carbon has -exactly the same thing- on all four bonds
asciilifeform: phun phact, it broke the definition of 'chirality' taught in schoolbooks
asciilifeform: (whazzat? http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.paper.SCS.2008-4nS.petitjean.pdf << original paper, schwartz & petitjean - they co-invented it)
gabriel_laddel: lemme finish making this burrito and I'll write up something on the game being played
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: did you read the stackoverflow post linked above?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the opposition lie through their teeth at every given moment, you don't want to give them anything to work with
mircea_popescu: suppose i go make the measurement myself ?
asciilifeform: as i gather, he's engaged in a contest of who-dies-first with adelberger
asciilifeform: basically he insisted that a negative result must come from one of the two eotvos torsion balances
gabriel_laddel: iirc, it was an even bet whether the effect - if real - is even large enough to measure with current instrumentation at all << this makes a great deal of sense
mircea_popescu: i hope you're changing the world, schmuckos!
asciilifeform: iirc, it was an even bet whether the effect - if real - is even large enough to measure with current instrumentation at all
asciilifeform: rather than some kid and ratty old instruments from us army
asciilifeform: so if trying, has to be the 'full nine yards'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it made sense to me. 'the lysenkoists refuse to even try' is bad enough, but 'see, somebody tried, it failed, shuddup' is quite possibly worse
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asciilifeform: and the man can speak for himself, and really ought to
asciilifeform: that is, that a failure for any number of reasons unrelated to the physical prediction - such as my hands growing out of my arse - would set him back (if such a thing were possible) years
asciilifeform: synthetic crystal of two chiral isomers of $censored that would have, according to the model, very small difference in energy of phase change
mircea_popescu: re alexa : last time i measured their accuracy, it came out to about 96% error rating. ie, if alexa reads 100, it can see anything between 4 and 2500.
asciilifeform: well, he would have had to blow a rather expensive single-use wad
asciilifeform: i actually worked with a number of folks at the time who were ready to wangle access to the instruments for me.
mircea_popescu: and ironically, it's the environment i grew up in.
asciilifeform: it was a perfectly valid objection, which is why the experiment will not happen publicly on this side of the coming civilizational demolition.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, in the ideal model which sits at the fundament of us academia, this would have been arranged over a phone call and tried the next week.
asciilifeform: (most of the 50k, in case anyone cares, covers two well-used microcalorimeters.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: al ended up having to explain to me... well, the concept i outlined in the first thread re: this subject here in #b-a
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> that could easily be tested. << not easily, no. but yes, they could be.
mircea_popescu: think of it in terms of throwing bowling balls at a tree from outer space. you won't get within a mile. and if the first ball lands 735`331meters rom the tree, the next five won't land 735`331 meters from the next five threes.
mircea_popescu: the rest...
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel string theorists are a lot like freudian psychanalists. the better ones follow the lieberman line.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nonsense. the middle east always was enternally-warring. this is like husband stuck with a bad divorce, "at least i made her into a slut"
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah but at least it is clueless to each site equally on the list
asciilifeform: any more than montgolfier brothers had 'aviation'
asciilifeform: the politics of cyc etc. aside, such projects are about as interesting as the historical proposals to go to the moon in balloons, shooting men from cannons, etc.
gabriel_laddel: well, I've not looked at cyc yet, but thanks for the pointer.
asciilifeform: 1) ocr doesn't work because 99.99% is still ludicrously low - human reader -who fully understands the text- still required 2) no ocr exists or is reasonably likely to ever exist for anything rich in notation 3) the machine-readability of most mathematical work is a fully ai-complete problem
gabriel_laddel: my basic understanding of category theory is that there are interesting things that can be derived when you break down basic mathematics into some abstractions such as functors, mappings etc.
asciilifeform: the whole affair went on in its current form far too long for the usual dance of the buggers - 'pretend it never happened' - to go as does
gabriel_laddel: nah, the obvious, in the case of category theory: Sucking up all the mathematics ever via some OCR routines and categorizing it via computer. Have an intern write a parser for latex -> ast
asciilifeform: the experiment ?
asciilifeform: only the very basics.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: btw, do you know any category theory?
asciilifeform: of the ordinary sort
asciilifeform: whereas all kinds of bullshit, which cannot be observed anywhere, ever, even in principle - is entirely real to a 'string theorist.'
asciilifeform: 'For example, Newton's apple contains vitamin C (L-ascorbic acid) which is parity-asymmetric, and it would accelerate differently if the laws of gravity cared about the mirror images.' << lying scum, yes. implying that effect cannot exist because not observable with naked eye on naturally-occurring objects
gabriel_laddel: I'm not going to claim to know that the math works out unless I do it myself though
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: let's put it this way. the theoretical work gives very specific - numeric - predictions
asciilifeform: but they insist on it anyway
gabriel_laddel: glosses over the whole point of the experiment, which he would know if he has read it)
gabriel_laddel: (for the record, I've not run the numbers on Schwartz's experiment yet, don't know for sure yet that it is valid, but can say that yes, everything he says is falsifiable and yes, everyone who say "he is a crank" etc. is a lying scumbag for not pointing out the exact sentence where he missteps. EG: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/7757/weak-equivalence-principle-tests in which a "string theorist" knowingly
asciilifeform: decimation: the 'gpu issue' happens on even more recent macbooks << it's been a thing ever since the mandatory switch to pb-free
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the merging of those two ideas yields a pretty powerful metaphor. << let's have the ps0t, yes. looking forward to reading it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you will notice the imperial mooks got utterly owned in that play << afaik usg accomplished their one non-negotiable thing in iraq - break the orcs into eternally-warring bantustans, 'vaccinate' against any possible emergence of a real sovereign
asciilifeform: (i did work through a good chunk of the maths behind al's eötvös adventures, for own edification and to attempt to come up with a way to rescue him - to learn how that went, see old thread)
asciilifeform: though i have not tried it personally, nor do i know enough about roaches to say if there are nuances not accounted for
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: ditto the roach repellent
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: any more information on the Chinese run << of al's eötvös experiment ? just some private correspondence, where he confirms the same story told on usenet
cazalla: oops, forget to remove tardstalk from that one (have a longer list with other non news sites)
cazalla: anyone know if i'm missing any from the list? http://i.imgur.com/CFu2wJZ.png just using alexa as one metric, will find others for use in comparison each month going
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ben_vulpes: "failed to live...and impose their existence upon those children" << i'm a bit confused about the "give up, make way for the next generation" attitude when put next to the "parents should impose their existence upon their children".
decimation: asciilifeform: another colleague of mine is shipping his back as we speak - kernel panics every 20min or so << I'm convinced that the 'gpu issue' happens on even more recent macbooks
decimation: right, which is why it amazes me that it's unheard of in the us
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036608 << fwiw, the merging of those two ideas yields a pretty powerful metaphor. i've been considering it since you mentioned it first, earlier.
gabriel_laddel: btw, I was using the word "mooc" the other day, and I think you read it as "mook". I meant "MOOC" as in "massively open online course"
decimation: point of interest - on youtube one can easily obtain copies of the vienna philharmonic new year's concert (neujahrskonzert). it's clear that it is broadcast all over europe, yet I have never heard of it being broadcast in the us
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036601 << you will notice the imperial mooks got utterly owned in that play
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 01:05:16; gabriel_laddel: Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. when that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. that I belive is our basic function: to develop altenatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable.
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gabriel_laddel: Incidentally this is what Sean Parker's father did, and Sean is one of the coolest Silly con valley people
gabriel_laddel: I've nothing else to say. Your grasshopper article coupled with the rabbits exposition covers it all. Don't try and make things into that which they are not. And if you have a kid, care for /them as an individual/. Your life is over. Make way for the next generation.
mircea_popescu: liek teh child. in this sense, children are animals. not "people" in the sense of, "just like me".
mircea_popescu: that one. important part there being about understanding the animal is an animal, which is a category of things to be.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036553 << you know, just because hunters wear animal skins doesn't mean they're furry animals.
gabriel_laddel: The reason these things are interesting is becuase they exist independently of us, they're unavoidable.
gabriel_laddel: If your kid is asking question - answer them. They'll arrive at coding and mathematics by themselves.
gabriel_laddel: I might as well explicate my thoughts on the matter, perhaps I'll learn something from someone else who has thought about it.
mircea_popescu: the situation where i never had children yet understand more of parenting than all these people with children depending on them is about as alarming as the situation where i'd not be a woman but know more about fucking than all women. what a shitworld!
gabriel_laddel: he then tries to convince the kid that they should go home and code instead of answering the kids questions
gabriel_laddel: this is exactly correct. PG, for example, sees me coding in a coffee shop, is there with his kid.
gabriel_laddel: "This in turn because they've failed to live, as an actual act in this world, and impose their existence upon those children,so that everyone may be happy. Instead everyone's frustrated."
mircea_popescu: in africa there's a market for gold encrusted trabant, not so much for an actulaly good car.
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#identifier_1_52654 win of all time.
mircea_popescu: "That'd be your VC circuit : a bunch of old men who have no time to spend with their actual children. They claim this is because "they have to work", but in fact it's because a) they're afraid of their actual children and b) their actual children hate and despise them, in no particular order. This in turn because they've failed to live, as an actual act in this world, and impose their existence upon those children, so
assbot: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4c5bQ )
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/
gabriel_laddel: also, any more information on the Chinese run?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: do you have pointers to any information about Uncle Al's roach repellent other than mailing list / forum posts and the patent?
mircea_popescu: now where's that trrilema article i want to reference. the one pointing out this entire vc thing is old guys dating.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:34:18; gabriel_laddel: The things these VCs fund are simply /strange/
asciilifeform: http://images.delcampe.com/img_large/auction/001/015/930/606_002.jpg?v=1 << example of the real thing
asciilifeform: presently running the pg lulzatron as crown prince
asciilifeform: 'that was the depth gauge, silly'
mircea_popescu: srsly, the most elistest minds OF A SOCIETY ?
mircea_popescu: "the most elitest minds of a society"
gabriel_laddel: Even if he knows what he is doing, still a fuckwit. Everyone knows the story of the scorpion and the monk, right?
mircea_popescu: exactly the same thing
gabriel_laddel: He has people run their grubby little fingers through all HN comments, and they warn people who are too "right-wing"
mircea_popescu: minus the tits.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with the difference (see earlier in this thread) being that spears does not operate a multilevel mmmatron for cranking out copies of self
punkman: asciilifeform: because you were shouting "get off my lawn" at them?