asciilifeform: by how much, requires a very detailed study of surviving soviet literature. which i presently lack the time for. but might get back to one day
BingoBoingo: * ben_vulpes giving the whole armsmithing game away for some reason << Railgun?
ben_vulpes: the power to weight ratio just *always* turns me off.
ben_vulpes: maybe the trick is to leverage existing industrial commodity electrical motors and do something clever with the batteries.
ben_vulpes: remember when all the children went out after...yes.
asciilifeform: even the fabled chinese sparrows
ben_vulpes: the chinese!
ben_vulpes: yes well do away with the $maxint vehicle cert process, $maxint operator training...
asciilifeform: smugglers landing ordinary machines in sparsely-populated desert - century-old state of the art
ben_vulpes: you're familiar i'm sure with the near-disposable cessna's thrown over america's southern border, stuffed to the gills with $substance?
asciilifeform: they pass unmolested - and the cargo travels on, on land - at lizardhitler's pleasure.
ben_vulpes: lol nowhere near as expensive as their payloads are valuable.
asciilifeform: and coasts are well-patrolled in the 'civilized' world.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ever find it interesting that there are wankatronic societies like the 'amateur space' thing linked earlier, but nobody (has admitted to) sending a 100% amateur-built unmanned machine across, e.g., atlantic ?
asciilifeform: nor is a 300km accuracy cone acceptable for most cargo other than nuke
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if the thing's reasonably robust, a parabolic delivery trajectory should suffice.
gribble: Bull Run River (Oregon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_Run_River_(Oregon)>; Bull Run Watershed | The City of Portland, Oregon: <https://www.portlandoregon.gov/water/29784>; Portland's Water System | The City of Portland, Oregon: <https://www.portlandoregon.gov/water/48904>
gribble: The Battle of Bull Run Summary & Facts | Civilwar.org: <http://www.civilwar.org/battlefields/bullrun.html>; Bullrun: <http://bullrun.com/>; First Battle of Bull Run - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Bull_Run>
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: nope.
asciilifeform: but just such a battery could make the difference between an unmanned flying machine that can deliver $thing between point a and b, say
ben_vulpes giving the whole armsmithing game away for some reason
asciilifeform: there are certain methods of making a battery that are not used in modern consumer types
thestringpuller: http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/manned-test-of-nexo-parachute-saturday-214/ << LOL "Cancelled due to bad weather"
asciilifeform: nobody is ever building any of what is pictured on that page on anything other than a fleet-of-mazeratis budget
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: orthogonal.
thestringpuller: enough bezzles makes them shoo tho
thestringpuller: i thought other big cost in rocket was d00ds in black suits showin' up and shuttin down the studio
asciilifeform: (orwell's basic primer on the subject)
asciilifeform: !s you and the atomic bomb
asciilifeform: if such a thing were to exist - major problems for the owners of jet-propelled statal enforcement.
asciilifeform: against which there is no low-cost unindustrial counter.
asciilifeform: the opposite does not (yet) exist
asciilifeform: that is, to be produced en masse via the traditional processes for manufactured goods
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 18:16:06; mircea_popescu: in any case, strategically speaking, it will be a lot easier, cheaper and blood-economical to unseat the fiat atrocity supporting the welfare state by destroying the "industrial" paradigm.
ben_vulpes: these designs have value.
asciilifeform: and write down for the ones who make it out alive.
ben_vulpes: those who do in these parts - aren't interested in novel strategies or applications of commodity technology
ben_vulpes: anyways, armsmithing for the next engagements is terribly interesting and entirely impossible to do from where i am.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the originals didn't even contain microprocessor.
ben_vulpes: i could make these things.
ben_vulpes: there is a reason i call this kind of document torture.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> very basic maths << so much so that even i did them in 'uni'
cazalla: mircea_popescu, for sake of thestringpuller and mine private conversation, have you ever bedded a north korean woman?
mircea_popescu: i eat them.
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mircea_popescu: ( http://trilema.com/2015/and-then-she-went-splat-on-the-asphalt/#footnote_5_60229 ref)
mircea_popescu: so some derp on reddit wanted to know "why do we even want to kill banks then" in the blockchain subversion debate.
asciilifeform: that'd be like coverage of an assassination describing the exact mechanical workings of the rifle
mircea_popescu: heck, the B round's not even mentioned AT ALL.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice how none of the coverage included a "this C round utterly dilutes naive investors from the previous B and A rounds"
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: we also know undead are more "effective" when there are lots of them.
asciilifeform: if there's one thing we 'know' about the undead, it is that they can walk indefinitely until physically scattered
mircea_popescu: kinda win-win situation, if they try to rescue the scam foundation they will fail, if they don't you know we scare them.
mircea_popescu: im moreover curious if they're going to actually try and rescue the scam foundation or just make a new and "real" one.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i have nfi why you imagine the userbase is important << I don't but the inevitabilibty of such an endeavor (i.e. http://qntra.net/2015/02/us-political-crisis-may-impoverish-homeland-security-department/#comment-11399), doesn't seem like a good thing
mircea_popescu: somewhat mirroring the "mpex is worth a billion dollars ?!?!?!" thing.
mircea_popescu: cazalla the "usg mpex" comment was chiefly because there's no conceivable need a webwallet operator could have for even 1mn.
mircea_popescu: seems improbable even that many actually sent the ridoinculous "kyc" paperwork.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why you imagine the userbase is important in this discussion.
thestringpuller: although MPex has it's idiots (see: http://trilema.com/2013/because-most-people-are-idiots-in-spite-of-never-manning-up-and-admitting-to-it/) don't think it's near the same percentages as coinbase users
thestringpuller: although coinbase is a part of the waterfall only derps utilize it.
cazalla: i thought it was a cardinal sin for it to be called anything other than MPEx? :P
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: they're trying for a usg mpex. << More like Reddit MPEX
mircea_popescu: basically, they're trying for a usg mpex. which... hey, fine, have fun trying.
mircea_popescu: (and all this neglecting their previous round, http://recode.net/2014/11/14/bitcoin-company-coinbase-raising-new-investment-at-400-million-valuation/ )
jurov: oh and thx for shedding the light on d.cbse
mircea_popescu: anyway, the utter chilling of d.* trade past while shows kinda plainly where that ship's going, imo.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, if coinbase opens for a mkt cap of 250mn in two years (accounting for inflation, basically)...
mircea_popescu: jurov as an example, if someone bought 100 shares on mpex today at the 0.239 price paying 23.9 btc, he would control (if memory serves) 1% of the 1% f.derp stake in the origial coinbase. that'd entitle him to 0.01% of the value of 50/350 parts in the coinbase ipo, which would come to
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'll add that the document is in fact a textbook for detachment commanders operating the rocket
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: some of the more interesting stuff is in the text - e.g., description of the molten-electrolyte battery; the sensor cooling system; the guidance loop per se
mircea_popescu: at that point, the coinbase listing has actually been a net loss for d.cbse holders.
mircea_popescu: suppose at the same time btc/usd trades for 18`560
mircea_popescu: suppose in 2020 coinbase lists on nyse, 100mn shares, and they go for 50 bux each. that's 5 bn.
jurov: they can't sell for over 350k btc.. << or else? you'll keep selling as many D.CBSE as necessary?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the algorithmics are not described in great detail, but the waveforms representing the proportional-control mechanism are shown, and at this point the 'multicopter' folks have rederived all of it and then some
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: gorgeous diagrams << that thing contains perhaps 80% of the info required to construct the rocket.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> that's what D.CBSE price implies << actually, no, the price implies they can't sell for over 350k btc at the time they sell.
mircea_popescu: just because of btc/usd vagaries, the original investment (which happened at 1200) lost 85% of its value.
jurov: yes, dilutive.. on other side, it increased the number of people interested to inflate it beyond all reason and then release it
mircea_popescu: <jurov> you don't believe they can IPO it at > 46 million? << you realise this round was utterly dillutive right ?
jurov: i dunno, just asking. and don't want to tie more bitcoins for indeterminate time in D.CBSE, either.
thestringpuller: you do bring up good question tho: what is the bezzle investors endgame (or what they have in mind at least)?
thestringpuller: jurov: what if the bezzle investors don't care tho?
thestringpuller: risky cause who knows if they ever IPO...
thestringpuller: so early investors can exit cleanly, aka the FB IPO scam.
jurov: so if they manage to IPO coinbase, it can raise so much, no?
jurov: you don't believe they can IPO it at > 46 million?
jurov: The total raised by Coinbase has now hit $106 million. Coinbase, a San Francisco-based company reports that there are 2.1 million bitcoin wallets from a customer base of 1.9 million
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
jurov: btw have you seen the "nyse to invest to CBSE" tidbit?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: IFF mechanism << another application for asymmetric crypto.
ben_vulpes: there's no reason why these things should cost $MAXINT, aside from the prohibition on owning the constituent materials for any not favorite son.
mircea_popescu: i see the guy's been pouring out a coupla million words, which is more than moldbug, but i won't be bothering to actually read the shit, it's too stale.
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2014 15:38:39; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu with regard to the 'abuse of statistical devices' outlined in note iii, the accomplished master of the art is a fellow named yudkowsky (search #b-a log). he isn't an idiot, bastard knows exactly what he's doing, and his cult is a veritable vacuum trap for thinking folks
mircea_popescu: anyway. if there's anyone who actually had the patience ot read all this stuff and wishes to proffer a summary please do.
mircea_popescu: imagine the horror of this. "i invented a machine which lets you live on for a billion years, so you can write stupid shit so that stupid people keep on powering it"
mircea_popescu: "why are you spending your time with cockroaches ?" "i kill them" "yes. but you're still spending time with them."
mircea_popescu: besides the point.,
mircea_popescu: so he's another modlbug. what difference does it make ? still simple.
mircea_popescu: why are all these driven nuts so mentally simple anyway ?
mircea_popescu: al ability to see through time. But death is a great evil, and I will oppose it whenever I can. If I could create a world where people lived forever, or at the very least a few billion years, I would do so."
mircea_popescu: Transhumanists are not fond of death. We would stop it if we could. To this end we support research that holds out hope of a future in which humanity has defeated death. Death is an extremely difficult technical problem, to be attacked with biotech and nanotech and other technological means. I do not tell a tale of the land called Future, nor state as a fact that humanity will someday be free of death - I have no magic
cazalla: it's one thing they did really well but i think poe made it more noob friendly
cazalla: thestringpuller, poe map runs > baal runs
thestringpuller: then go magic find on meph runs
thestringpuller: but srsly soj economy was so annoying. the rune economy was a bit better
thestringpuller: the soj economy was rigged!
cazalla: punkman: re: path of exile, i like that the economy is based around orbs (at least it was when i was playing) but i quit after my hardcore char died in lower 90s
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://portal.tpu.ru/files/departments/publish/VK_AkylovBaydakovVasiliev.pdf << even if you don't know ru, you may find this interesting for the diagrams. use and engineering manual to famous ru 'igla' ('needle') rocket.
mircea_popescu: they're just "facts".
mircea_popescu: and so are plenty of other things. the guardian and washpo and the rest of the buzzfeed carrion crawlers aren't up there because they favorably compete with qntra on some sort of machine basis
mircea_popescu: but seriously, wikipedia is returned because "fact:wikipedia is what we promote" rather than any "algorithmics"
chetty: <mircea_popescu> chetty this has been going on for a while actually.//it just sounds worse when the internet is a public utility
mircea_popescu: but back to the story : if your call on the y fellow is correct, he makes for an absoluely perfect model of "chemistry usg".
asciilifeform: i did emphatically did -not- invent or design the calorimetric test
mircea_popescu: people have to fucking realise, for once in their life, that a_) fuck them and b) it's not about what they want.
mircea_popescu: this is the cornerstone.
asciilifeform: the bloody machine
mircea_popescu: the equivalent of "story published on blog" is "50k calorimetry assay"
mircea_popescu: well... stfu and get in the wot. nobody, NOBODY is above the intern work for a year.
mircea_popescu: in this perspective, al's lament reduces to tim sweeney's lament. "oh woe that not being in the wot my ideas hold no value"
mircea_popescu: right. and here the same : paste your text as a "review", or publish it on your blog.
asciilifeform: the way al saw his situation, there are precisely two choices for him - usg and its apparatchiks, and the world of unfiltered and unfundable idiot alchemists, astrologers, 'phree energy' imbeciles, and other usenet denizens which he spent all of the '90s recreationally hunting for sport
mircea_popescu: i have no guarantee that this goes into the... canon, or w/e, fanon-type-45345
mircea_popescu: but have i just forked "the world" ?
asciilifeform: because, in his mind, there is no place to go
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read the foibles of al slightly differently. more as a failure to intellectually detach from usg
mircea_popescu: so asciilifeform, do you see how the situation here maps exactly on the uncle al and the magical molecule situation ?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1022584 << So what is the "value" of interns?
mircea_popescu: so ima have two things out of this. first an arguent with alf, then once laddel and the rest of the proponents of "intelligence" wake up, ima have one with them.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if interested in this subject, read - at least that - thread
thestringpuller: i have pondered the same thing myself
asciilifeform: that is to say, with the ability to arrange arbitrary logical elements
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: thread was re: whether and how one could build a reasonable computer without access to ic fab or the output of one
asciilifeform: anyway, posted here solely for the photos of 'what if we just had very small transistors and planted them down on very fine pcb'
asciilifeform: or rather, eight half-adders
asciilifeform: compared to american ic of the modern type, of that period
asciilifeform: i should like to learn how these were assembled.
asciilifeform: if one were to read the data sheet (scan, http://www.155la3.ru/datafiles/2lb402_tu_1975.pdf ) will find that it had around 50-60 nSec propagation delay. which is pretty good for the period
asciilifeform: for some reason the theft of several examples of these curios by usg from sunken submarine is still considered a deep secret in usa
asciilifeform: when i was a boy, these were being sold, laid on carpets in the town market, right next to rabbits and dogs
asciilifeform: unrelated, and for aficionados only: re: the old 'integrated circuits by hand' thread: http://www.155la3.ru/k240.htm
mircea_popescu: anyway, some comments in the general, for the aspiring writer : a) the most important weapon in the quiver of the scammer, which is what all fiction is, is misdirection. you were being misdirected into thinking harry potter should have agency by all the insistence on how he doesn't. (look up chekov's gun, while at it). the correct solution of a problem of agency is to attack the agent.
mircea_popescu: he crushed the situation.
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mircea_popescu: for the record, i just started writing a solution to that harry potter thing.
thestringpuller: nah it's seth mcfarlane trolling amercians cause they're too dumb to realize what's really going on
thestringpuller: "When Francine tells Stan she wishes he hadn't spent all their savings, he says he needed to spend money to make money. Francine then says that Stan didn't make any money, which Stan says implies that he didn't spend any money either"
mircea_popescu: approximately the life plan of a sexually worthless, narcissistically superlative 15 yo priss.
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the entire story of the us : let's pay everyone pretend money so they pretend we're important enough to invent money.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 18:18:36; punkman: ""We're getting beaten on volume, so the only way to compete is by aggregating, curating and amplifying existing content," Richard Stengel, under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037971 << "i have an idea... let's pay isis people to tweet anti-isis messages instead of beheading our guys. a) it worked for the idiot usians and b) it's easier to do, right ? which is what the consumers have come to expect"
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 18:10:24; punkman: totally gonna work "With a clear deadline, get everyone on board to reach a voted decision and say good bye to all the bikeshedding."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037958 i don't even want to get into a discussion of how barbarously stupid they are.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 17:48:00; thestringpuller: probably not your cup of tea because it is an implementation of "communitas" or rather an existential communitas as Victor Turner explains.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037950 << it's just "poor kids in college". roughly speaking salmon to the bear.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 17:03:26; BingoBoingo: Ah jurov you found that oglaf before the bot could
punkman: the crafting's kinda fun
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mircea_popescu: i could scarcely conceive of an experiment to more convincingly verify the "our audience is entirely worthless" theory. it's verified alright.
mircea_popescu: because they're, by now, this fucking stupid.
mircea_popescu: then idiot usians had debates about the true dress and the biological causes of not seeing it right
mircea_popescu: they created permanent sessions for users, showed some a dress like so, others a dress like something else
asciilifeform: surprising that this isn't a more common tack for these
mircea_popescu: so fucking transparent by now. you seen the buzzfeed "great idea" ?
punkman: ""We're getting beaten on volume, so the only way to compete is by aggregating, curating and amplifying existing content," Richard Stengel, under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs"
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-02-2015#1033086 "the administration is boosting efforts to counter ISIS on social media. The plan centers around a small State Department agency that pushes against ISIS and other groups' online propaganda."
punkman: "The Net Party got 22.000 votes (1.2%) in its 1st election in Buenos Aires, October 2013."
punkman: "The foundational document of The Net Party is its manifesto. Written in a collaborative process by the founding members, it consists of 60 expressions in tweet form so it can be easily shared in any kind of network. It expresses our deepest beliefs on how democracy and the net can help improve our institutions."
punkman: "But aware that in politics not everything happens online, we also created a new kind of political party: The Net Party. Its candidates are committed to always vote in Congress according to what citizens vote online."
punkman: totally gonna work "With a clear deadline, get everyone on board to reach a voted decision and say good bye to all the bikeshedding."
thestringpuller: Looks like the founder is HQ'ed in B-A
asciilifeform: fuck - with the thickest stake in the wallachian forests - the people who brand every idiot ubuntu rebrand as an 'os'
thestringpuller: "With 2 million+ citizens, Buenos Aires is one of the most demanding cities in the world. All 16 political groups in power helped to make it the first one in Latin America to let its citizens have direct input on its bills." Uh huh.
thestringpuller: probably not your cup of tea because it is an implementation of "communitas" or rather an existential communitas as Victor Turner explains.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: and what IS burning man but fuck club ? << not entirely this is about 1/3 of it. Another 1/3 is "Holy shit I'm on so many drugs what's even going on, how do I survive, OMG this is so fucking awesome I wanna run around and do nothing cause I have no obligations or worries at the moment." Another 1/3 is "Holy fuck that giant thing is burning holy fuck holy fuck that is fucking awesome." IMO Burns are probably the
jurov: gotta start the monthly stuff now
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jurov: http://hpmor.com/chapter/113 lol yudkowski threatening the readers by "Otherwise you will get a shorter and sadder ending."
BingoBoingo: Ah jurov you found that oglaf before the bot could
punkman: http://qntra.net/2015/02/tour-of-a-chinese-bitcoin-mine/ << so I tried this Path of Exile game mentioned in the article
punkman: fluffypony: why? it's not accessible on the open Internet << or is it... https://www.shodan.io/search?query=hadoop
punkman: maybe I've never seen the good Java
fluffypony: why? it's not accessible on the open Internet
BingoBoingo: It sounds like if hadoop appears to solve a problem, then you have a number of other problems
fluffypony: and then all you're doing is re-assembling the small set of results you get and doing any final analysis on it
fluffypony: so map->reduce works by sending the queries out to all the servers, they do the analysis, reduce it, and send the results back
fluffypony: and then queries are distributed
fluffypony: what it does better is that each piece of data is stored on at least 3 servers in the cluster
fluffypony: like in the multi-terabyte or multi-petabyte range
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: That is a great experiment. The PGN format is maximally user and machine readable. Amazing how the blockchain makes some stuff people try to pass as "big data" seem much smaller.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: the 'adults' are not going to be happy about you writing a program that converts all books in libgen.info + all papers you can get of school networks into a useful format via a combination of OCR and heuristic hackery << Plain OCR is normally sufficient for books without advanced mathematics as long as you are willing to liberate the pages from the spine. Test it with a sheetfed scanner sometime.
gabriel_laddel: they look like trustworthy fellows
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ben_vulpes: i would rather be working on satoshi c++.
asciilifeform doesn't know precisely what is involved, but imagines that it's a rather dreary thing
ben_vulpes: loading the "rails" stack into my head.
asciilifeform: i have a friend whom i see very rarely, and often asks about 'the elephant trunk'
asciilifeform: (no, this is not in his materials, don't bother looking, merely pointing out that the fella who discovered rotating magnetic field application could have made the next step and went here)
ben_vulpes: aside from the sims.
asciilifeform: (that being the point)