sjsqd: the same rating for something like 2 decades
sjsqd: it is permanently tied to the USD
sjsqd: the local currency here hasn't ever really fluctuated
sjsqd: PeterL:there is almost nowhere to even spend it here (beyond paying web hosting bills etc) so I am pretty much saving it right now
asciilifeform: and idiots are spending their coin as if it were toilet paper
asciilifeform: sjsqd: try to understand why bitcoin is more analogous to diamonds or rembrandts than to the national currency you grew up with
pete_dushenski: sjsqd: it's more along the lines of, just because you like to do something, doesn't mean than a particular avenue of approach is appropriate
asciilifeform: and this is the only reason you wouldn't want to pay in a restaurant with gold?
sjsqd: and then it sits in a cupboard
sjsqd: when they get married or as an investment
sjsqd: and I've seen firsthand how depending upon culture people will dump their life savings into buying some gold
sjsqd: I personally believe that the entire gold/silver/etc markets are manipulated like crazy
sjsqd: pete_dushenski:how is it stealing if the vendor eventually accepts bitcoin?
asciilifeform: sjsqd: in dubai, famously, there are 'gold atm' - where you run a card and get 100g bricks out. but do you pay for food with these ?
assbot: On The Stupidity Of Biometric Security for Smartphones and Smartwatches | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1aLC25j )
pete_dushenski: sjsqd: biometric: http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/27/on-the-stupidity-of-biometric-security-for-smartphones-and-smartwatches/
sjsqd: pete_dushenski:yes for long term usage, no one is going to pull out a fully fledged laptop to pay for their groceries
sjsqd: or moving to the Mozilla phone or something
pete_dushenski: a $100 linux laptop does the trick
PeterL: phones can get lost or stolen, then what?
sjsqd: danielpbarron:in this specific locale the government has to allow it because of terrorism and money laundering etc
sjsqd: so the likelihood of bitcoin being adopted widely is high (although it hasn't happened just yet)
sjsqd: and I live in a city where the government evolves quickly
sjsqd: and I really like the idea of being able to carry around my money on my phone
sjsqd: downloaded the mining software, my ADD kicked in
sjsqd: I understand the idea of bitcoin universes, I didn't get into it to make a quick buck selling for cash or anything
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asciilifeform: sjsqd: there are, approximately, two 'bitcoin universes.' the one where scammers and u.s. fed stoolies scratch one another's backs,
sjsqd: let's talk bitcoin is interesting because there are quite a few podcasts and such
sjsqd: BingoBoingo:thanks I'll have a look on there
BingoBoingo: sjsqd: Anyway the qntra thing can probably also help with some background on differences between the Vessenes' foundation and the (dot)foundation
sjsqd: because I made some posts saying the website wasn't adequate in certain terms
sjsqd: I found out about let's talk bitcoin via the foundation forums (andresen forums if you want to call it that)
sjsqd: there is an editor too who makes my posts more readable
sjsqd: but I am holding the LTBcoin
sjsqd: I got about 180k for the first one
sjsqd: thanks for the pointer
sjsqd: BingoBoingo: I'm not that well acquainted with how the different clients originated or their quality, more just a question of whether it is a bitcoin or an altcoin client; from what I understand it is a bitcoin client
jurov: sjsqd, you can peruse the searchable logs here, too
BingoBoingo: <sjsqd> but works with bitcoin just the same as any other client (multibit etc) does? << Very different from multibit. Multibit is based on the Hearn BitcoinJ turd.
ben_vulpes: the goal is to do that and nothing more.
sjsqd: ok I will save everyone's time and look through the mailing list, I might return with some further questions later on
ben_vulpes: the question under consideration is "what precisely does it mean to bitcoinate?"
nubbins`: slowly bringing it closer to the ideal of "one program to do one task"
ben_vulpes: a right, asciilifeform excised the dns.
ben_vulpes: dns is on the chopping block, etc.
ben_vulpes: someone removed the "alert" feature
nubbins`: rather than add more fat to the same, which is how the current "bitcoin core" release came to be
ben_vulpes: sjsqd: it's just the old code.
sjsqd: but I assume the client you work on is different to bitcoin core?
nubbins`: based on the original 0.5.3 source code, with plain ol' unix patches applied to de-turdify it
jurov: no it's the original client
nubbins`: it's the official foundation client :D
sjsqd: I'm still quite new to bitcoin, is the client that you release an alternative client?
sjsqd: nubbins`:given the current state of foundation communications it is actually quite difficult to ascertain exactly what it is tasked with doing
nubbins`: sjsqd the latest foundation release is 0.5.3.1
PeterL: is gmaxwell associated with the phoundation? I remember him coming by here a few times
nubbins`: making the codebase not a steaming pile of shit
assbot: Transparency: A Fresh Look at the Bitcoin Foundation, Part Two | Lets Talk Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1aLAXdR )
sjsqd: second is here: https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/transparency-a-fresh-look-at-the-bitcoin-foundation-part-two
sjsqd: This is the first article I made if anyone is interested
assbot: A Fresh Look at the Bitcoin Foundation, Part One | Lets Talk Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1aLAWXl )
sjsqd: ok great, I will keep a record of this channel in my notes then
BingoBoingo: sjsqd: That foundation has never really had any transparency. Vessenes birthed it in the shadows and snuck out the same way.
sjsqd: I will look at the mailing list, if I have further questions is there any email address I could use or is this IRC channel the best method of communication?
sjsqd: its certainly interesting to see two foundations with the same name (:
asciilifeform: sjsqd: the more heavily-advertised 'foundation' (vessenes, hearn, andresen, et al) was a scam from day one
sjsqd: nubbins`: the goal of my articles is to try and ascertain how transparently the foundation currently operates
sjsqd: do you know if anyone from the previous foundation is aware of it?
nubbins`: if you check the mailing list archives on the .foundation website, there's a bunch of stuff there
sjsqd: I have done quite an amount of research on the foundation but never seen this page
nubbins`: sjsqd the only official statements are PGP-signed statements from members of assbot's wot
assbot: Introducing new "the only official foundation of Bitcoin" [sign up as president] ... ( http://bit.ly/1aLAPen )
sjsqd: but is it correct to title it as the 'pirate' bitcoin foundation?
sjsqd: and happened upon http://thebitcoin.foundation/ during a search
sjsqd: I'm writing some articles on the bitcoin foundation via Let's Talk Bitcoin
PeterL: asciilifeform: why do you say he did not get the message?
asciilifeform: for zoologists >> http://housejeffries.com/articles/unix-delenda-est << every month or so, i turn up a new lamer who read my articles but catastrophically failed to get the message. the ones who 'agree', like this specimen, are the worst kind.
thestringpuller: short ints however are always shorter than long ints hence the name
jurov: the downside is, generated code for complicated diagrams isn't anything you'd want to show to anyone
jurov: it isn't faster to create the code, but it makes it sooo easier to find the right place where stuff needs to be fixed
PeterL: why in c is a long int the same size as int?
mod6: jurov: so as far as shorter release cycles, i think going forward they will be. the foundation will focus on say, one specific problem and then tackle it, patch it, and then regression test, release.
jurov: set the version to 0.5.3.x.dev
jurov: mod6 so then please if you publish signed build scripts like http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000037.html
Pierre_Rochard: jurov: I am, brain had not connected all the way to “I should try it out”
Pierre_Rochard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041323 < thanks for the tip, I’ll set up a euro bank account when I’m in france this summer
mod6: when we release there will be a formal annoucement to the mailing list, signed patches by ben & I, and an included signed tar of the patched source code with release notes.
jurov: so that people won't act surprised that "there was some version published" like you did few minutes ago
jurov: that actually stregthens the reason for bumping the version numbers often so that we can say X blows up when.., X+1 does not
jurov: but i understand you as management that wants to label the product somehow,
jurov: there will be many more bumps. don't expect any Release to End All Releases in near future
mod6: so what you have is ok, but you're missing the stuff that'll be pushed out before we make a signed tar
mod6: so yeah, when we said we were going to release in january; we hadn't hit the 160`001 tx sig verification issue yet and we hadn't considered the last-minute requirement of a static build.
mod6: to make it build statically, there is another patch that I still need to submit yet (probably today) and another patch & full source to submit of a modified poratronic build script.
jurov: because it does include the version bump patch
jurov: http://ml.therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000037.html and this is what i published as 0.5.3.1
mod6: that's the base code
jurov: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v0.5.3-0-gd05c03a.tar.gz and this is published, don't remember which one is that
jurov: and the development goe son
jurov: and the consesus was 0.5.3.1 is as good as any
cazalla: apparently kruger shot himself in the head back in 2012 but it didn't work so good
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: there's more too, not as big a deal but still lulzy.. an employee says he needs some software for his work so garza sends him a cracked ms office https://drive.google.com/a/geniusesatwork.com/file/d/0By3omGwrRu9lcWpYSjZ3Q0IyOVU/view?pli=1
punkman: typing on a touch screen is just the best
punkman: you should find out how much they paid derpopoulos
cazalla: not sure tbh, likely someone that worked there seeing garza burned bridges with his previous cohorts
punkman: cazalla: who leaked the emails btw?
jurov: then dunno
jurov: so to keep things clear, would be best to notch the version up.. but since you already officially announced it
cazalla: haha holy fuck, derpopulous actually told the australian senate (with a straight face) he invisions a kid on a skateboard in indonesia running a billion dollar remittance business
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform got up to check on... deer trying to get in << Left side of their face seems to be more receptive to blunt trauma if it comes to that... if your deer are anything like ours
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Why did you choose to name the #b-a lordship as such? Is there a historical system of governance you are drawing inspiration from in particular?
asciilifeform: tried to take photo, but 2 in the morning and damn near impossible to get a good shot through glass and mosquito net
mircea_popescu: another internet classic which is apparently disappeared.
mircea_popescu: now obviously if done badly/traumatically the results are more like you know, that guy with the telephone poole
trinque: activated by being well-fucked among other methods I'm sure
trinque: mircea_popescu: the thing does seem to have an "accepting" mode
BingoBoingo: Sutures spaced, don't make matching folds the same... cyanoacrylate though...
mircea_popescu: similarly, the girls that can swallow a snake don't puke a lot.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo behind the times
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=squatter | squatter. In public toilets one who sits all day on a commode waiting for a penis to come at him through a glory ... We can't get these squatters out of our house!
trinque: I wonder if there've been cultures that did fisting as a sort of obvious "of course you fist before squatting out humans"
mircea_popescu: "even the asshole shoots once"
mircea_popescu: i kinda suspect that's how the entire anal stretcher niche got to be a thing.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Seriously that one, small waist big tits, what is the problem?
asciilifeform: normally implies spade handle or the like
asciilifeform: as if the old idiots didn't try to censor pr0n
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel Titties of the continent http://motherchubbypornphotos.org/teenfatanalsex/piece/piec/pi1025.jpg
mircea_popescu: and generally speaking i'm sick and fucking tired of the new generation of usians and their ideas about the world.
mircea_popescu: last week they came up with the "no pronz in bloigger" thing, which got everyone riled up so they decided they'll just implement it covertly instead of overtly
mircea_popescu: google has been on a shitmission the past 5 years or so, it becomes less and less useful.
mircea_popescu: trinque there's this one bangbros if memory serves scene
mircea_popescu: Moderate SafeSearch is on and clickable. if you click on it tho,. "Set your SafeSearch preferences in the blue box below." and the blue box says
trinque: censorship, the humor destroyer
mircea_popescu: but no, they aren't.
mircea_popescu: ^ was going to say teh americans are taking their bitches
gribble: fuck yeah skydiving: <http://fuckyeahskydiving.tumblr.com/>; Referees Showing Some Sass, a Skydiving Seizure, and the GIFs ...: <https://sports.vice.com/article/referees-showing-some-sass-a-skydiving-seizure-and-the-gifs-you-missed>; airplane+skydiver=fuck - Album on Imgur: <http://imgur.com/a/M4sK5>
mircea_popescu: WHAT THE FUCK AMERICA! GET LOST!
mircea_popescu: google is now serving "filtered" results and no way to turn the shit off anymore ?!
mircea_popescu: motherfucker
decimation: 'and the dog too!'
trinque: sounds like a great way to get sprayed with shit and piss on the way down
assbot: Special forces soldiers and their dogs take part in tandem parachute freefall | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQt80R )
asciilifeform: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2882621/Special-forces-soldiers-dogs-tandem-parachute-freefall-10-000ft.html << nato soldiers had dogs tied to them instead
decimation: asciilifeform: a dog is a useful asset in the military, for a variety of tasks
decimation: a white communist and a black algerian living in the suburbs could both sing La Marseillaise and mean exactly opposite things
decimation: oh, re: La Marseillaise < I find the lyrics hilarious, especially in modern times
gribble: 13th Parachute Dragoon Regiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Parachute_Dragoon_Regiment>; 13e régiment de dragons parachutistes - Ministère de la Défense: <http://www.defense.gouv.fr/terre/presentation/organisation-des-forces/arme-blindee-cavalerie/13e-regiment-de-dragons-parachutistes>; 13eme RDP - Régiment des dragons parachutistes (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ceremonial, and... at one point they outnumbered rockets... Hence NIke Hercules
trinque: you can't buzz your enemies with a rocket, turning back at the last moment
decimation: heh. to annoy countries across the ocean
decimation: well, they can carry rockets
asciilifeform: but for some odd - i suspect, ceremonial - reason - they still exist
asciilifeform not specialist, doesn't know what the point of those machines is, if you have rocket
decimation: asciilifeform: the 'long range aviation command' still flies those things
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [04:55] that the fella actually thought he was 'using pgp' << wait wut? who biffed at this epic scale?
decimation: mircea_popescu: if one day you have a stroke and could only blink one eye, you might find the skill useful
adlai: another solution is dictation, but it seems that for years to come, the best way to dictate code is via a human typist
adlai: i'm guessing the ones for hire have hardcoded, monolithic parser-compilers, from countless hours spent translating the same encoding... sure, it's impressive to watch, but useless when a new alphabet pops up
asciilifeform: notice also the pen for cheating
decimation: asciilifeform: inside a tu-95 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSVtYib8StY < note the straight key against the outside bulkhead at the comms position
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I live on th other side of Illinois North/South Axis, still more lawless, especially if diversity is invoked
adlai: the real competition should be "who can learn fastest a new randomly-generated telegraph encoding"
asciilifeform: but even in ru they bowed out and gave agents portable tape-punchies
decimation: asciilifeform: we don't even have typistgurls in the usa anymore
asciilifeform: decimation: telegraphy is the 'internet of last resort'
asciilifeform: without them
asciilifeform: where are the telegraphygurlz in usa!?
decimation: asciilifeform: probably the 'keyer' electronics
decimation: typically the way the keyer works is that one side is continuous dashes and the other is continuous dots
asciilifeform: lol re: the ru-built exam box
decimation: she doesn't have anything that is slowing down the propagation along her myelin sheaths :)
adlai: although i have a 'standing desk', which places a lower limit to the motor control necessary for all computer use
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ check out the gurl
adlai makes no a-priori constraints on intoxicant choices, since supply, demand, and the threat of violence are strict enough already
decimation: asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9S-NzsUD5w < another contestant apparently at the same competition, except she is using a keyer
asciilifeform: decimation: must be a practice run - plug is dangling on the floor
decimation: my understanding is that in the ru high speed telegraphy is something of a minor sport
adlai: my goal is to increase transaction costs for distractions, and decrease them for productive activities - and have some reasonably real-time control over the productivity gradient
adlai: BingoBoingo: on the contrary, i think of all this as 'stoner-proof productivity'
BingoBoingo wonders if he is the exception planning his interface not around his most capable moments, but around his least...
adlai: see why i'm so curious about the lispm :P
adlai has often pondered how to get stumpwm more aware of what the windows are doing, but the ways he imagines doing this involve teaching stumpwm more about the programs than they like to reveal programmatically
trinque: adlai: but! it improves daily as stumpwmrc and the repl side by side are a binding
asciilifeform: telegraphers were the first to discover
asciilifeform: decimation: it's the repetitive action that nails you
trinque: adlai: neh once I extract the tasks thing from my config maybe
trinque: might jack the "tasks" back into helm
trinque: I want an uppermost level concept of task, then several layouts for that task
BingoBoingo: adlai> being able to fully operate a keyboard-drived ui (stumpwm, emacs) with one hand would be a huge step towards using the laptop conveniently in most any position << You'd be surprised what you can do when you surrender to WIMP, your keyboard has a clit, and the ETOH has reduced you to half f a lizard's funtioning brain mass
assbot: Plover, the Open Source Steno Program: Split-Screen Demonstration ... ( http://bit.ly/1GipT4M )
asciilifeform: why the preoccupation with single hand, anyway? just came back from iran, got chopped ?
asciilifeform: but the computer - we don't have.
asciilifeform: adlai: what would you use for the machine itself ?
adlai: being able to fully operate a keyboard-drived ui (stumpwm, emacs) with one hand would be a huge step towards using the laptop conveniently in most any position
decimation: ah well then maybe it's straightforward
decimation: the story I got was that those devices are priced at bezzle rates
asciilifeform: so much stenotype 'can eat them with your arse'
asciilifeform: they never went anywhere
trinque: there are types of code mess that at least seem like they'd "look like shit" with the right goggles
decimation: asciilifeform: have you followed the 'movement' to re-create stenotypes?
trinque: use the visual part to traverse, not to write code
adlai: typing [+slime-fuzzy] is likely to remain faster than pretty much any other muscle-based input, just due to evolutionary accident... but the quest here, as i see it, is for a drastically more convenient interface, which sacrifices less than the current ones (which aren't even that convenient)
asciilifeform: ^ soemwhere in there yes
assbot: Logged on 15-02-2015 05:30:33; decimation: https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/ << "I can’t speak for everyone, but when I program, I like to be able to make use of the rather-hefty chunk of my brain that evolved as a language co-processor. Language provides compact abstractions in a way that is difficult to beat using graphics except for inherently-visual tasks (the motion of mechanical parts, etc.)"
decimation: adlai: somehow customizing the input 'typepad algorithm' is a 'missing option' on all smart devices