BingoBoingo: In contemporary USian deployments designated marksmen carries M-14 with a plastic stock and has specialization like the machine gunner
asciilifeform: the rest 'hosedown'
asciilifeform: the term, iirc, refers to the one man in a platoon who was actually taught any marksmanship and is expected to aim
asciilifeform is an armchair general and recommends that aficionados seek out the primary sources.
asciilifeform: americans took the whole 'golden sniper toilet' thing almost to logical conclusion, with microprocessorized wind&elevation calculators, bullets turned on lathes (!), etc
BingoBoingo: USia claimed its own for a bt in the Hathcock guy
mircea_popescu: you know i suspect potapov is like the ru mil pythagoras.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a beautiful treatise, 'art of the sniper' ('искусство снайпера') - ru of course - highly recommended if aficionado or even mild interest in the history. describes precisely what modern designers changed
mircea_popescu: by the time you're shooting policemen you're not going to save on the rifle. those suckers cost thje enemy like 1.5-3 mn a pop.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but at the point barrels make a difference operator makes a far greater difference
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, not for the whole club, but if you have people designated to hit marks at a distance...
mircea_popescu: more like a "tough as nails, swiss made SKS". like the mac10 maybe.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: full-sized rifle cartridge, one of the 'hottest' still made (7,62x54r)
asciilifeform: comes, iirc, in a gigantic block of 'cosmoline' but otherwise virginal
BingoBoingo: Ears are guarenteed to fail on a long enough timeline, visit nursing home if you have pretenses otherwise.
asciilifeform: what of the ears
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What of the wrist of who fires that
assbot: Strategy for the antisocial struggle. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlK5Tn )
BingoBoingo: Mosin also at $150/piece also solves http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ for body/vehicle armor
asciilifeform: rather than shotgun
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: You only say that becasue you are going through practice where Ruby forces still more bondage and discipline upon you
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: folks are used to their sawed-off shotguns, balk at slightly heavier, longer 'thompson'
asciilifeform: http://www.e-reading.link/bookreader.php/138815/Expert_C_Programming:_Deep_C_Secrets.pdf << l33t w4r3z. have this in dead tree, it's one of the most riotously entertaining books on any kind of programming whatsoever, imho
mircea_popescu: yeah. that's further than i'd go.
asciilifeform goes further than mircea_popescu, dispenses with 'machine word' concept. want bits, say how many.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: long story : traditionally, "int" means a word... << obtain, from purely historical interest, if you don't already own it, k&r 1st ed. good tour of the weirdo word (and byte!) sizes on the archs of the day. predecessor 'B' was 'typeless' (all things are machine-word width) and this was not uncommon then
mircea_popescu: dragosb i play very little these days. i mostly played live, and mostly pre-consumer internet.
mike_c: the first trade after that debacle is a buy?
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of similarity between how prokaryotes ended up with mitochondria and how commerce ended up with the mortgage.
mircea_popescu: which is the very definition of mortgage (a topic of not little historical interest, because it's one of the rare cases where we can observe biological evolution at work in what's supposed to be fleshless abstractions)
mircea_popescu: and as to limited recourse, it can be limited whatever way. generally it is, "lend me this money to buy this house, i pay you so and so, and if i don't you keep the house."
mircea_popescu: the idea being that contracts (of the old sort) are flexible and useful, just as long as the chumps grok that there is no such thing as "a standard contract".
mircea_popescu: if not, fuck me and my stupid "palace" with no running water up on a mountain in the desert.
mircea_popescu: now, if the school goes well and makes money im getting my pistoons back.
mircea_popescu: this is the sort of thing. the professional has no interest in leaving their current place just because i want to relocate them, and the situation isn't feudal, where i just order them moved.
mircea_popescu: let's work a model. suppose i own 85`000 square footage of marble flooring, used for running a harem. suppose i come to the conclusion my harem doesn't attract good / numerous enough cuntage. suppose i decide this is because there's no belly dancing happening. suppose i go to a belly dancer in city and say, listen, i'll loan you 10k golden pistoons if you start a belly dancing school on my marlbe acreage.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i curious about the no-recourse mortgages as well. lender returns payment stream, keeps asset?
BingoBoingo: ryan-c: You know keyservers exist in a much more user friendly form than that abomination make by the okcupid people
ryan-c: mircea_popescu: probably at least 50,000 in the US
mircea_popescu: how many ryan-c are there ? :D
ben_vulpes: nah, another ryan c.
BingoBoingo: That's always good to hear. The world needs less javascript.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041515 << technically foundation wasn't born yet. so no, it's better custodianship of the bitcoin codebase than the fake foundation has been displaying.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 18:29:13; sjsqd: but I assume the client you work on is different to bitcoin core?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041509 << ironically enough, the client the OTHERS work on is different from bitcoin core.
mircea_popescu: dude it's so great to come to logs after a nice meal and find all sorts of gems like these.
mircea_popescu: yeah, inasmuch as gavin tiptoes around my lunch hour, i would propose they're painfully aware of it, yes.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 18:24:10; sjsqd: do you know if anyone from the previous foundation is aware of it?
mircea_popescu: both of these are becoming obsolete as ram is cheap and 64 bits plentiful. so in the future, int will just mean "integer number" and that's that,
mircea_popescu: y usage, the notion of short int was created, sometimes as small as a byte (8 bits).
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 14:34:51; PeterL: why in c is a long int the same size as int?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041414 << here's the long story : traditionally, "int" means a word, and word means a register size, which is machine dependent (was 8 bit, then 16, then 32 and now is 64). because historically the register was inconvenient for human use, the notion of "long int" was born, as a dword (two words) or qword (four). because historically the register was inconvenient for memor
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: you lose due to recency bias! I’ll extend the thanks to you regardless haha
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 14:26:17; Pierre_Rochard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041323 < thanks for the tip, I’ll set up a euro bank account when I’m in france this summer
mircea_popescu: back in 2012 all the rage were "bfl miners"
mircea_popescu: so nice to see qntra redo the bitbet history with this gaw scam
assbot: The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJ9zHy )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041297 sad that it had to turn into http://trilema.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/
gabriel_laddel: (that are not preliminary drafts of PURSUING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY)
gabriel_laddel: (that can be found in the first 10 pages of google results)
gabriel_laddel: ^ All Al articles absent from the homepage.
asciilifeform: hanbot: if it's a reasonably recent gentoo with reasonably recent contents, there is no escape but to read the manual.
hanbot: hey asciilifeform! i'm putting a gentoo box together for playing eulora, i want it nice and secure, have zilcho gentoo experience. how wouldja advise me?
thestringpuller imagines asciilifeform reading graphs as their tabular representation and constructing image in mind
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: for folks who need graphical whatevery
asciilifeform: (will point out, for the record, that there are other adas, not descended from gnat - but i will never see them so long as i live, and quite likely neither will you)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: how to get it on your system is a puzzler that you would have to resolve
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: gnat
mircea_popescu: like, give a million no recourse loan to the nude girlies show to produce itself on your new fairgrounds
mircea_popescu: no recourse real estate deals are in the vast majority of the time attempts by some crown or other to hike the land values.
mircea_popescu: the former are mortgages proper (if the payer goes bust you get the item and that is all) , the latter are commercial paper (if the payer goes bust you suck it).
asciilifeform: there are non-chumpatronic mortgages?
mircea_popescu: the trick is to not write that many donations while alive
asciilifeform: and the money consists of what 'is worth now' according to magic arse rng
asciilifeform: that is, if you default they take money+house
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu is right re: earlier observation that the mega-bubble didn't seem to kill anyone
mircea_popescu: (which is why i won't take a mortgage deal that has recourse past the item bought, nor would any sane businessman. yet usian idiot consumers regularly do, because hey. they've come to expectorate.)
mircea_popescu: consider the bank loans you money for a mortgage, and tomorrow houses go for 2 dollars each.
asciilifeform: defined strictly for the purpose of this line of inquiry as 'that which might cause btc sphincters to tighten and less to be spent tomorrow'
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as the "exchange value of money". money is the one thing without an exchange value, being the exchange value of all things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the explanation is that "exchange value of btc" is a broadly meaningless notion, and only vaguely useful as a temporary crutch.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is your explanation essentially that exchange value of btc (in the secular world at large, not speaking of usd in particular) and the btc income of a well-organized business are tightly coupled and the 'rope never breaks' ?
mircea_popescu: anywya, it was a point long discussed (among the financial minds) that the nature of btc makes distinction of loans and equity difficult. this was principally centered around the mpoe bonds back when those ran.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i would say this is true for the zero asset corporations. the non-zero asset corporations seem to be holdling their own, but too early to tell.
mircea_popescu: actual bitcoin companies, such as for instance listed on mpex, generally don't have the problem.
mircea_popescu: imaginary sources of bitcoin, pretend "bitcoin businesses" like coinbase or w/e suffer from the problem ytou describe
asciilifeform: say, you are in the habit of selling $gizmos for btc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is that most sources of bitcoin revenue are made of flesh and likely to suffer damage on hypothetical 'day x'
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> but that was interest free loan no? << no.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller these things aren't related. bitcoin has been fine for credit for years. idiots aren't or ever will be ready for life.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: then in that case entire meatspace family is in servitude? wasn't this a thing in history? Can't repay debt so X generation of people are slaves?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what somebody's worth as a slave is still a finite sum, that isn't especially difficult to come up with (ask the romans)
asciilifeform: (you lose 1btc because poor schmuck couldn't come up the the ten sets of organs, only one, and you lost most of what you lent him)
asciilifeform: (though it is potentially - and thus, in fact is - an infinite-liability deal; how can you guarantee that you will find the coin to repay)
thestringpuller: ah I guess the liquidity loan from F.MPIF -> S.WOL is similar
asciilifeform: iirc wot folks have borrowed from one another before
mircea_popescu: sadly i don't have credit cards, as i don't subscribe to open liability deals. but i wonder what the original texts say
asciilifeform: or, to the spamz0r's great misfortune - exactly once.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu appears to get exactly the same spam as my spam-magnet, turd for turd
mircea_popescu: Theodore Sturgeon, respected creative and prolific science fiction author, shed the following offhand remark which instantly codified as Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is shit." One might visit a university library and walk through Women's Studies or hyphenated-American literature areas and wonder where Sturgeon's 10% is cloistered. Why pay parking fees? The 90% will come knocking at your door, then break it down d
mircea_popescu: dude, the fucking notion that this shit sounds credible.
mircea_popescu: 2015. As the Primary Contact, you must verify your credit card activity before you can
lobbes: So one defines their own data types in ADA? I'm not sure why I find that interesting
pete_dushenski: PeterL: to say nothing of the bears !
PeterL: pete_dushenski: not that they wear out, of course, but they snap like a twig in the cold << the dangers of living in a frozen wasteland
pete_dushenski: spocking "may interfere with the security features and reduces its lifespan."
assbot: Bank of Canada urges ‘Star Trek’ fans to stop ‘Spocking’ their fivers | Dangerous Minds ... ( http://bit.ly/1BIxgjm )
kakobrekla: http://dangerousminds.net/comments/bank_of_canada_urges_star_trek_fans_to_stop_spocking_their_fivers
PeterL: programs should be boringly obvious what they are doing?
asciilifeform: but the result adds up to the fact that there will never, ever be an 'underhanded ada contest'
PeterL: well, it has the same named closing tags like you complain about in html (begin thing ... end thing)
asciilifeform: there is even a 'rationale' document (also book) ready to argue with you
asciilifeform: then you actually read a book and try to think of which 'verbosity' could be cut
asciilifeform: PeterL: the pascal syntax mostly
asciilifeform: PeterL: but you'll find that much of what programmers actually object to in ada is precisely the good parts
asciilifeform: PeterL: it's ugly as sin, and originally usg-promulgated, but that doesn't change the facts.
asciilifeform: PeterL: there is precisely one such language in existence.
thestringpuller: this compels me to learn the language more.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: try 'scheme' on him
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: absolutely
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 23:44:58; *: asciilifeform was simply floored with mindfuck that anyone would choose google's turdlang for a piece of critical infrastructure, and could not resist ringing the bell
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what is rule #1 of the undead?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Kid's not hopeless though. He was luck enough to make it in the place where he could ask questions and people were polite enough to point him where to start the reading. Rest is on him.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: not everyone can make the journey tho.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Kid's just been hit with the discovery he's got a year of learning and unlearning to get to zero. Just maybe this one gets there.
ben_vulpes: sjsqd: also, don't poison the well against yourself.
pete_dushenski: http://www.diseno-art.com/images_7/hughes-h-4-spruce-goose-lar.jpg << nearly twice the length of 737-800, all wood
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 06:18:52; decimation: asciilifeform: inside a tu-95 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSVtYib8StY < note the straight key against the outside bulkhead at the comms position
BingoBoingo: sjsqd: Just don't burn too much time on conversation here before you get to understanding a large part of the *why* the (dot)foundation does things as peculiarly as they do. A good amount of history there.
sjsqd: Yes I will. I can already see part of the reasoning when it comes to transparency.
BingoBoingo: sjsqd: Try to understand why the second (dot)foundation was discovered necessary
BingoBoingo: sjsqd: Read the logs a while and come back later
sjsqd: Please understand that I've spent many years of my life writing about issues such as internet censorship and the like
sjsqd: danielpbarron:then I would do my best to be considered.
sjsqd: for this series of articles I will probably keep them on let's talk bitcoin, but for future articles or if I come up with anything else to write at the same time I might consider qntra.net
sjsqd: so that is purely the reason I ended up writing
sjsqd: as there are many issues with the foundation (andresen edition) I was invited to post on the let's talk bitcoin website
ben_vulpes: <sjsqd> I understand the idea of bitcoin universes << what you don't seem to understand is that there are separate WoTs in action.
sjsqd: I don't think anyone has to read my articles or consider my viewpoint, its just my way of writing about the foundation
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> think of them as the foundation and the phoundation, with the other guys being the ph << no, we're the fundation!
ben_vulpes: <sjsqd> nubbins`: the goal of my articles is to try and ascertain how transparently the foundation currently operates << the goal of your articles is to apparently rack up pageviews.
ben_vulpes: <sjsqd> but is it correct to title it as the 'pirate' bitcoin foundation? << no.
sjsqd: I like the idea of my phone being shot at by terrorists
sjsqd: although windows isn't the absolute best solution for computer security
sjsqd: then I get a message asking for a copy of my ID as well as a video interview
sjsqd: danielpbarron:I wouldn't buy them just yet because cash still works just as well
sjsqd: danielpbarron: there are only a few BTC sellers here so its economically unfeasible to use bitcoin like that yet
sjsqd: I do get the hesitation towards altcoins
sjsqd: but the bank took my money anyway (I got it back after filing forms etc)
sjsqd: so it *should* work unless the internet is down
sjsqd: If I want to use my debit card from another country here
sjsqd: and I'm pretty sure their jobs are going to disappear within a few years
sjsqd: but in terms of whether I trust a computer or a human more
PeterL: sjsqd, you should get in the wot too
PeterL: sjsqd: important stuff shows up on qntra.net if you don't want to wade through the logs
sjsqd: all my bank accounts get chewed out the ass with fees and such
sjsqd: sat there for an entire year
thestringpuller: sjsqd: you should probably read some huxely with the logs.
sjsqd: I did save some money a few years back in a bonds thing backed by the government
jurov: sjsqd if someone takes an effort to do a marketing toward you, they're after your money or soul
asciilifeform: sjsqd: what do you need the remaining people for ?
PeterL: focus on the log for this chan, yes, that is how you will learn
lobbes: forget the forum -- forget reddit; those are distractions << yes
sjsqd: even then
sjsqd: thestringpuller:yes but most people outside of extreme enthusiasts are not going to look through logs
thestringpuller: sjsqd: they make logs for a reason...
sjsqd: Well that is what the limitation (in my eyes) is of most altcoins and bitcoin itself
sjsqd: but then again, what isn't nowadays?
sjsqd: but there are a few that have been ok so far
sjsqd: I do see that many of them have ended up as scams and so on
sjsqd: on the topic of altcoins
sjsqd: but in the future if I can receive 100% of my pay via cryptocurrency I will
lobbes: sjsqd: what others have said: save in bitcoin, spend in (local currency)
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17RjJtN )
sjsqd: danielpbarron:then how am I going to walk around with my augmented vision paying for things in 20 years time if bitcoin isn't the ideal cryptocurrency?
sjsqd: so they are completely separete
sjsqd: danielpbarron:when I get the time I will probably get a harddrive, install a barebones Debian installation on different partitions for each altcoin
sjsqd: danielpbarron:to be fair when it comes to interviews I'd rather hear the full conversation rather than what someone else has cut up from the discussion
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: ah. but what about say, Gang Busters? Or rehearsed stuff. Orson Welles War of the Worlds broadcast?
thestringpuller: jurov: i kno rite. so not only will someone kidnap me, they'll cut off or extract appendages to unlock my stuff...
sjsqd: the problem I have with debian is that unless you run some specific version (I usually run the latest version) most of the documentation on the internet is kinda only 75% there
sjsqd: the biggest thing I've noticed about computer security is that its almost impossible to get decent biometric security
sjsqd: its great functionally but it confuses the hell out of me
sjsqd: and I'm writing articles about the bitcoin foundation
sjsqd: but at the moment I have a family member in intensive care unit
sjsqd: tbh, if I had the choice I'd have a separate computer for linux and a separate computer for windows
sjsqd: Unless you want to deal with the limitations of GIMP
sjsqd: danielpbarron:mainly because Adobe won't release their software on Linux just yet
sjsqd: I don't care if its a lifeboat on the titanic
sjsqd: do you think there is an altcoin more suited for that?
sjsqd: and send a shit ton of money through methods like western union or their banks
sjsqd: 90% of the population are foreign
sjsqd: here there are interesting applications of bitcoin besides paying for things with phones
sjsqd: danielpbarron:as much as I understand what you're saying its difficult to explain to people the fire safety aspect
lobbes: 'crypto on phone' defeats the purpose of bitcoin
sjsqd: but beyond having to scrape into my savings to pay for a VPS here or there I actually don't have any way to spend it here yet
sjsqd: and managed to teach a friend in pakistan as well as a friend in Dubai how to set up a wallet on their phone
sjsqd: On a recent flight I used the plane's WiFi which cost like 1 USD
sjsqd: I'm not wealthy (at all) so its more an incapability of keeping more bitcoin at the moment
PeterL: save in bitcoin, then you don't have to be tied to usd
sjsqd: PeterL:I obviously do, but have little choice in the matter
asciilifeform: sjsqd: once you understand the above, it will never occur to you to carry bitcoin on your person in the street, or spend it in a restaurant