BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-16#1887514 << In order of structural value: Spruce (not in the botanical sense), Douglas Fir (also not in the Botanical sense), and Southern Yellow pine are usually the options in contemporary US building. None of these woods like ground contact, and yet all they get to prep them for ground contact is a soak in some copper salts. After 10-20 years when the salts wash out the sill plate will turn into sponge.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That sounds solid. If the cargo is 48 Rockchips 1U of server and 1U+ of spare parts, that's still 4U of material.
billymg: trinque: i made a deposit on sunday in order to cover my pizarro invoice but it's not showing up in my balance yet. i'm not in a hurry but curious about the status of it
billymg: hanbot: approved the comment, ty!
asciilifeform: ( they are cheap )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma include 2 spare raid controllers in the cargo, iirc our spare pile of these was depleted
asciilifeform: incidentally : raid verify is set for midnight saturday. which iirc was the time of the first reset.
jurov has some particle board ceilings on otherwise brick house. it's so incredibly shitty material - when bolted small light LED lamps on it, one fell out later :/
a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 17:54 billymg: !Q later tell hanbot mp-wp patches have been updated: http://billymg.com/2019/01/minor-mp-wp-patch-updates/ -- the only "\ No newline at end of file" strings you should find in .svg refs patch are from before part of the diff (i.e. file diffed had no newline at the end)
asciilifeform: it's hilarious, the hovel i'm in, at least has steel frames. nearby they recently built whole street of 100% cardboard/plastic , 'ONLY low 800s!' reads the billboard. 800k orcbux, that is.
mircea_popescu: "freedom" of the hallucinated optionality flavour has costs.
mircea_popescu: "they wanna be free"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because they don't believe in the oppresive multi-generartional patriarchal home.
mod6: I'll stop back in tomorrow when I have the chance. :] Have a good evening.
asciilifeform: at banat there was buncha vintage wooden tech, milling gears etc
mircea_popescu: took chet there personally ; she got to touch everything ; at the end hands so full of splinters i spent an hour digging them out.
mod6: But I put that all aside back in November. And then the whole door/joist thing started. But I'll look into when I might be able to get it together, but may be even after alf's time frame. However, will advise as soon as I know.
asciilifeform: it was never obv to asciilifeform wai usa builds from rubbish wood + cardboard + aluminum rather than ferrocement like other sovshitholes
mod6: Some of the log cabins that I've seen in the US are pretty nice tbh, but they need maint! Need to be scraped & stained every few years, etc.
mircea_popescu: there's splendid wood in new world, are you kidding me ? no cedar can match redwood.
mod6: This is true, if you have masters of wood, then you get high quality finished product, but this stuff is shit.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure how they got it, tbh.
mod6: So I had him stop work right then and there, and then had to get the other carps in to assess. So once the rim joist is fixed, then I can finally get a new door.
mod6: This all started because we need a new door, it's old as shit, and all the weather stripping is bad, etc. So of course, this isn't std door size. So I paid some good money to have a custom one made to size. When the carp came out to install it, the first thing he did was pull off one piece of molding, and stuck his file down in the bottom area where that joist is located, and it pushed right through.
mircea_popescu: well, wood has its place, but a) it's very knowledge-intensive -- notice how some shipwrights make ships that never rot, some others -- rot in a month. and b) by the time you're actually building complexly enough to even have rim joists etc... wooden construction's intended for hunting lodge not townhouse.
asciilifeform: mod6: out of curiosity, what was the symptom that pointed to the item ? floor cratered ?
mod6: you'll regret it otherwise.
mod6: Once the siding is removed then there might be an easy way to get at the outer joist and pull it off -- which runs the entire length of the frame along the base. Now there could be more rotten in there, or it ~could~ just be the rim joist, but won't know until it's all apart.
mircea_popescu: wooden construction, this is the sad of it.
mod6: asciilifeform: Actually, it'll be better if I do, I'm sure. Since all three guys suggest fixing this from the outside (thankfully, from the inside would be 1000s of more $), if we wait until it's warm there's a way less chance of breaking the siding on the house when removing it.
mod6: Needless to say, and I'll spare you all the deets, but it's gonna put a dent in mod6's budget for a few months at a minimum.
mod6: Even the house may need to be put on jacks to complete the repair. I've been discussing with three different carpenters on how they would do the job and approximately how much it would cost.
mod6: In short, yes, very. Especially in the winter.
mod6: One thing that's been plaguing me irl for about three weeks here is the finding that I have a rotten rim joist.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-15 15:43 asciilifeform: iirc mod6 has expressed a desire to fly the next crate. if he still wants, can haz; otherwise asciilifeform will fly it.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887248 << Yeah, I kinda missed my window here. I'm not sure when I'll be able to get a chance to come down there. Perhaps sometime this year yet, but will look into it and discuss it again at a later time.
mod6: And then when it came back up, I again restarted the services, and then a while later, it crashed again. And perhaps another time as well.
mod6: Then I manually started up apache and mysql so the blogs would be back working again. But then it went down again, perhaps 20 minutes or so later.
mod6: When I noticed that my blog, and hanbot's, etc were down... I logged into UY1 and found that it had been up for only 50 minutes at the time.
mod6: Well, UY1 is still up, and looks like no causation found for the reboots/crashes. Very strange. Best to keep an eye on it. It most certainly did reboot however.
asciilifeform: the 'well of stupid' is always right there beside chair , to fall into, whenever one 'wants'. no need to get on airplane or learn to speak orc..
asciilifeform: managed to reproduce the late-sovok 'we'll make cheap broken clones of their shit! where you gotta reseat the cards nightly! that'll show'em!' engineering culture that asciilifeform's father toiled in. without even leaving his rathole.
asciilifeform: stalin croaked in '53, and the battery he charged, ran down in '83 or so
a111: Logged on 2014-09-27 17:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice that rms will not speak of lisp to this day. the demise of lmi cut him off from the genuine machines (there was no possibility of baking one by his lonesome, or with his band of ragged dervishes, any more than they could launch a mars mission)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 23:26 asciilifeform: dunno that rms actually ~did~ anything in past 20+ yr. the man is a living flag.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece where 'empty people make noises to fill the void in their skulls' or how did it go
asciilifeform: he has a number of pieces like this, and they contradict not only sense but ea. other
mircea_popescu: my personal "this is a moron" realisaiton occured upon reading some nonsense about how "more fair" division of proceeds from creative fields was to pool all the results and issue them back out by some log function, ie guy with 1mn fans gets 6 units, guy with 10 fans gets 1 unit, something like this.
asciilifeform: prattled for 30 yrs re 'four freedoms', but forgot '-1st' -- 'to fit the thing in head'
asciilifeform: point was re rms. trouble with the man is, i dun think he is stupid, in the usual sense, he appears to quite deliberately think that cultivated fungus on ~coad~ is a valid defense against 'microshit will steal'. hence gcc, autoconf, other marvels.
a111: Logged on 2015-04-02 01:16 mircea_popescu: "/home/stas/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/include/boost/asio/detail/impl/socket_ops.ipp:2900: warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking"
asciilifeform: then wrote to rms; who gave 0 answr
asciilifeform: but localized the boojum to 'libnss' (which turned out to be component of glibc, and not removable)
asciilifeform: i cant speak for other folx, but asciilifeform's 'third eye' re rms opened on the day that he spat on that letter re glibc
asciilifeform: happened on live public camera, afaik not the least bit disputed.
asciilifeform: it was the man's shining moment!11
mircea_popescu: i wanted to put it on trilema, dun recall if i ever did or not, but anyway, quite the item
asciilifeform: for men, 'withdraw into biology' means , in practice, to feed the toe fungus.
mircea_popescu: teh withdrawal into biology historically works way the fuck better for women than for men.
asciilifeform: yarvin wins a kind of triple crown of rot -- not only perpetrated the urbit thing, but to get the necessary 'letter from hitler', did a kind of soft-recantation of his earlier 'rezistenta prin cultura' blogisms
asciilifeform: iirc a 'theatre slut'
mircea_popescu: i don't understand how these misfortunate kids are supposed to respect the human failures using them for props.
mircea_popescu: if you look about, ~all these loud and "successful" narcissistic dorks end up in the ~same arrangement, rescued by marriage of convenience.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none of them "has" to work, dood, wtf, they live in america, the gutter of all laze. that dorky moron who was "going to take over holywood", aka http://trilema.com/2014/i-hope-they-serve-beer-in-hell/ ended up shipwrecked in the arms of some jewish princess, raising her kids.
mircea_popescu: somehow these morons went from 1980s alec baldwin's "go home and play with your kids" alt-fuck you you're a total waste of space to curtis yarvin's 2020s "i'll go home and play with my kids", direct restatement of "fuck you guise, i'm going home"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect it was a veiled laugh-to-the-bank
asciilifeform: it is difficult to dispell even the most outrageous lulhypothesis re koch-gpg. sorta what makes it 'speshul', what, 40MB of ???.
mircea_popescu: anyway, am i the only one grated by just how much of a cop-out this "kids" thing became ? "oh, im going to play with my kids, which is to say you're OBLIGATED to believe my life has some sort of meaning".
asciilifeform: ( not even to mention the fact that -- rare, for a kochism -- the problem dun even exist in stock gpg, which defaulted to 2 subkeys, 1 for sigs and 1 for encipherments )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: doubt that it has anyffin to do with the reluctance to use it ~at all~ displayed by some pubkey-as-arsenicum-amulet folx
asciilifeform: good % of pgp use historically -- resembled the medieval 'plague amulets'. y'know, the one where scrap of leather with word 'arsenicum' (cuz buying actual arsenic costs tuppence, and scrap -- one )
mircea_popescu: (the view that gpg aka koch-rsa leaks bits via signature isn't entirely dispelled even today)
mircea_popescu: was used for encryption, not for authentication.
asciilifeform: come to think of it, wtf did he even bother with pgp pub.
mircea_popescu: anyway, item quoted/discussed is authentic, precisely equally authentic to any pre 0.3 bitcoin version.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to the extent anons can even speak... i dun recall shitoshit ~signing~ anyffing post-'09
mircea_popescu: anyway, satoshi did weigh in on the first "fork". back in 2015. http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/ has the details.
mircea_popescu: anyway. on a long enough time horizon all socialism aka militant stupidity converges. of course yarvin merges with ethertards, what's there to distinguish them besides historical accident (ie, the exact converse of timeline, the thing time washes out)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by now the moron's studious ignorance is pretty much his only salient feature. same as that other y schmuck.
asciilifeform: typical dog who shat on the floor, has moar remorse than this fella.
asciilifeform: or take 'Permanence also includes security. Except for the on-chain PKI, in which case you're trusting Ethereum, you shouldn't yet trust Urbit's security at all. Sorry!'
asciilifeform: 'Urbit does not use the lambda calculus, an environment or symbol table, or linking. Because it pushes name resolution out of the fundamental interpreter and up into the language, it can play many more namespace juggling tricks. And its build system has no trouble including multiple versions of the same library.' << didjaknow this were a feature?!
asciilifeform: 'What will I do personally? I'll spend more time with my kids. I'll finish reading my 1911 Britannica – I am only on the B's. I have no other long-term plans. ... I am leaving not just the project but the field – no less than Satoshi, or Everett, or Rimbaud ... Will Satoshi weigh in on the next Bitcoin Cash fork? Did Rimbaud fly back from Ethiopia ...' << evidently d00d at least 'took the money and ran'. seems to have worked appr
asciilifeform: 'No one else ever built a purely functional operating system' incidentally also false, the haskell people tried ('house') , with the expected result ( i won't detail, literate reader can guess )
asciilifeform: btw didja know, mircea_popescu , that yarvin has an rsatron in there ? possibly will be remembered as the only rsatron gnarlier/buggier than kochs's, or even microshit's
asciilifeform: ( recall the 'i explicitly dun want it to resemble bitcoin!' item, which then seamlessly morphed into 'we have merged with ethertardium' with somehow straight face )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-15 22:27 mircea_popescu: how ~the fuck~ is "nock" gonna identify-and-replace-with-jets when ginko417 is manifestly incapable of the very same task ? (or rather, for they psychologically inclined : WHY is it ginko417 imagines dealing with a jet is "nock"'s job ?)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887352 << thing was broken on moar or less erry possible level, not only in the arithmetical model
a111: Logged on 2019-01-15 22:09 mircea_popescu: but tbh, the "stochastic convergence test" seems to me worth A LOT more than any bs "ent" ultimately meaningless "squares of pi" bs.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887347 << not only this, but to date no rng has actually sufficed (i.e. sufficiently independent bits) to make the thing go in reasonable time
a111: Logged on 2019-01-15 22:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887308 << this is very elegant, earlier statement of the whole "optic crypto machine" thingee
mircea_popescu: for exquisite bonus lulz, "jet" is what a romanian speaking slut would say to a romanian speaking drunk moron in a romanian speaking bar, meaning "get the fuck lost".
mircea_popescu: how ~the fuck~ is "nock" gonna identify-and-replace-with-jets when ginko417 is manifestly incapable of the very same task ? (or rather, for they psychologically inclined : WHY is it ginko417 imagines dealing with a jet is "nock"'s job ?)
mircea_popescu: stupid all the way down, what fucking turtles.
mircea_popescu re-read the comment section, from back in 2013, chuckled at random moron who perceived he can write himself the option to not engage mp saying things at him because (some variant of) "they do not display the right formalism" right smack drab in the middle of a discussion about some magical means for ~machines~ to recognize equivalent-formalisms through... magic.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-15 18:21 asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iXGlE/?raw=true << d00d's entire lulzpiece, snapshotted for the l0gz.
mircea_popescu: but tbh, the "stochastic convergence test" seems to me worth A LOT more than any bs "ent" ultimately meaningless "squares of pi" bs.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-15 17:36 asciilifeform: the output is n1 * n2 * ... n_n , cuz you represented'em as ~probabilities~
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887308 << this is very elegant, earlier statement of the whole "optic crypto machine" thingee
asciilifeform: that being said, i'd quite like a rk-like box with expandable rams. but it aint happening on the current budget.
asciilifeform: ( and even if were spares -- whole thing is baked of bga ic, where even if you invest in reballing machine, you have good odds of thing never booting again if you move the bga )
asciilifeform: thing brings out certain # of addr lines to the pcb, and nomoar
a111: Logged on 2019-01-15 15:37 mircea_popescu: a) there's nothing wrong with specialisation (and especially if you figure out how to expand the ram -- which a stock of these gives you incentive to do, ie, specialisation drives competence) ;
asciilifeform: upstack, gotta revisit http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887223 >> there's no economic way to expand ram on an existing rk, it's similar to the proposition of adding cylinders to an existing bmw engine
BingoBoingo: Datacenter cat is also in good health putting fear into the flying rodents
asciilifeform: ^ this is addressed to all uy1 people, i will not list'em explicitly, they know who they are ^
BingoBoingo: In other news I am satisfied the vacant rk is very clean. Our airflow sensor has also been blown out, tested and rehung on the front door.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: on contemplation, this is yet another place where rk utterly wins -- it is possible to include a very compact source of backup power, survive fairly long brown/black-outs
asciilifeform: ( unfortunately these are impractical to transport )
asciilifeform: fwiw i did notice, when peeked into other racks, that some folx had independent ups .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i am thinking we oughta install a simple mains voltage logger (i've witnessed in the past, brownouts which took out 1 box ( where current load at the moment happened to exceed what's in the ps caps ) while leaving dozen others untouched.. )
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iXGlE/?raw=true << d00d's entire lulzpiece, snapshotted for the l0gz.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-15 00:30 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in darkest lulzafrica, 'Today we’re happy to announce that Urbit’s address space, now called Azimuth, is live on the Ethereum blockchain... We want Urbit to be a reliable, durable, permanent computer that’s simple to use. Today Urbit is still a prototype, not a consumer product. But we’re making great progress'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in a quite hilarious conclusion to the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-15#1887012 saga : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-19775 << yarvin throws in the towel.
asciilifeform: ( in case it aint obvious , you gotta scale the #s, otherwise a even a 128bit multiplitron will take 'geological' time to output 1x1 )
asciilifeform: ( if you have ~any correlation in the independent bitstreams , you won't converge . the academiderps tried to get around this by using constructed prng's, had the expected result -- buncha dead trees and 0 working devices )
asciilifeform: 1 of the reasons i put this in the l0gz is that when i went to dig, turned up that erry attempt to date to do sumthing nontrivial with 'stochastic multiplier' broke teeth against rng quality.
asciilifeform: so in the end you can multiply e.g. 9000 8192bit ints, with a single gate.
asciilifeform: then to get integers back out, you run the process in reverse, via another comparator. it converges to the desired answer in finite ( depending on rng quality ) clock ticks.
asciilifeform: the output is n1 * n2 * ... n_n , cuz you represented'em as ~probabilities~
asciilifeform: then you feed'em all to a N-input AND gate.
asciilifeform: you represent the inputs ( any # of'em ) via stochasticizers, i.e. each 1 gets a comparator that eats N bits of rng and outputs a 1 if they represent integer <= the currently latched binary number, 0 otherwise.
asciilifeform: and meanwhile, in sunken atlantises : j. von neumann, the afaik last fella to really invent anyffin in re kompyooting, actually devised an interesting application for fast unbiased rng ( which did not exist in his time ). can use it to multiply large numbers with near-total noise immunity, using only an 'and' gate and two comparators.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in world of entomology, https://archive.is/bJyyo ( piece re 'douchebags', where '...their earnings are equally depressing. The top seven participants in the Facebook data set averaged 0.87 bugs per month, earning an average yearly salary of $34,255; slightly less than what a pest control worker makes in Mississippi.'
trinque: the "we slay incas" thing would do better with an explanation of wtf that means in-world
mircea_popescu: "here, whole conclave of morons ~can do absolutely nothing~". even if you lose money, you lose money in a way they're worth losing.
asciilifeform: ( in the empty skullcase of the orc king, somehow made sense to have a hired hand run his pgptron.. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand , the guzman thing was even lulzier, d00d was hired to run the ~crypto~
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you explain it to them.\
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is a Cristian Rodriguez anyway ?! might as well be schmuck mcsmith.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm anticipating the whiners where 'you ~said~ you sell uncensored host, but they pulled my godaddy dns omfg!11' item
mircea_popescu: PART of the reason for 2nd para of http://qntra.net/2019/01/el-chapo-allegedly-used-voip-had-sysadmin-flipped-by-criminal-fbi/ ie guzman hiring an inane moron with a reddit account, is that guzman didn't have how to hire pizarro.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the first fucking move is to establish yourself as a domain expert.
asciilifeform: nao if they could also be persuaded to part with usg.dns... but i'd be satisfied to teach 'wash hands' , smallpox vaccination can happen after
mircea_popescu: yeah, whining about how "red pillers" or w/e the fuck si the term de jour for inept morons/exterminators singing "i have seen the glory of the bloodletting at the zoo" while driving their beat up truck not reading is one thing. make pretty pictures is another thing.
trinque: the "alex jones" crowd is losing hosting left and right
asciilifeform: quite possibly the current gen of sadforum people, dun even know who was fdr.
BingoBoingo: It's a relief to get the Pizarro conversation going again instead of having it stuck in just my head
mircea_popescu: "hilary's worst nightmare", use the woman's picture all ugly or scared or w/e.
mircea_popescu: and sell it like things are sold, atm it's "just a rumour", mentioned here and there, drums up on the usual human-experience-exponential and so on. "anti-usg hosting", come up with some catchy.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: don't sweat the small details, just nao
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This time, don't saw your toothbrush. I can put together a reception basket with human sized toothbrush.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo talk to the various webhosting forums etc (with whom you've build by now a relationship, yes ?) how much they want for a site takeover / w/e they do for the big deal advertising.
asciilifeform: and i'd really like, ideally, to not be the only one who knows how to do this.
mircea_popescu: he has a point there.
asciilifeform: as for asciilifeform , can go in mid march at the earliest.
BingoBoingo: Must carry max weight yes, but having more weight already racked does lower the stakes on subsequent trips.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun think there will be such a thing as 'low stakes' trip, unless mod6 wants to take vacation on own coin
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> iirc mod6 has expressed a desire to fly the next crate. if he still wants, can haz; otherwise asciilifeform will fly it. << Given the ben_vulpes courier run I would like mod6's first trip here to be lower stakes. Couriering is a skill.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they gave unmatched 'bang per buck' << Especially when the MySQL storage engine is changed to the WP appropriate option
asciilifeform: iirc mod6 has expressed a desire to fly the next crate. if he still wants, can haz; otherwise asciilifeform will fly it.
mircea_popescu: needless to say, a "we're flyting over 50 rks, gotta fill these THAT WEEK, giving everyone 50% off for 3 months" media event / webhosting forum takeover / etc is de rigueur.
mircea_popescu: " this gives 2 1u slots remaining, they can be occupied by colo passengers, will carry rk plants otherwise"
asciilifeform: they gave unmatched 'bang per buck'
mircea_popescu: what are thery now, 1gb ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's include a certain number of these.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: a rk + disk is about 100bux ea. << There's also a 4GB RAM model which would push the unit price up to ~150 each
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we did have some headache with the ssd, recall. the new models are in place ( iirc errrybody but mod6 has been swapped ) and seem to run cool to the touch, per BingoBoingo's observations
mircea_popescu: b) the principal moneymaker for pizarro has been its booked stock of iron
mircea_popescu: a) there's nothing wrong with specialisation (and especially if you figure out how to expand the ram -- which a stock of these gives you incentive to do, ie, specialisation drives competence) ;
asciilifeform: transport of crate aint exactly a mars mission, when we finally drum up demand and fill up the rk's, next crate can sail in short order.
asciilifeform: uy1 is bad enuff as 'central point of failure', would rather not create moar of'em.
asciilifeform: they aint unspeakably expensive.
mircea_popescu: why not get moar rks in there ?
asciilifeform: it is also time to speak of the next crate. and the customary four cargo slots. 1 is to contain a replacement for uy1 ( and ideally will run cuntoo . ) 1 will contain a 1u that holds rk's. this gives 2 1u slots remaining, they can be occupied by colo passengers, if these stand up and wish to ride , or pizarro irons, at BingoBoingo's option.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al : re uy1: if it continues humming along, as it presently appears to be, we gotta proclaim a maintenance window and properly stress test the thing, load cpu to max for coupla hrs
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will clean it this afternoon. Loving the marketing potential that yes, Rockchip will happily run many services so long as the RAM is minded.
asciilifeform: granted i haven't unearthed any direct evidence that uy1 is physically sad, of yet. but imho this is Right Thing.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd like to hit the idle Rockchip with another round of contact cleaning first, but this sounds like a plan.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ~in addition~, rather than in place, of their current service, if it wasn't clear
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i am thinking : let's consider giving all uy1 users an acct on the idle rk , until uy1 is replaced and moved to cold spare.
hanbot: <asciilifeform> hanbot: when was 'this' plox ? << was my whim to start znc back up then after leaving it off for a ~day following http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886701 , no shenanigans implied. i suppose my wordchoice was unfortunate, sorry for alarms.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: if it helps, I've noticed at least 4 resets (the top 4 results are my recent resets; times are in UTC) >> http://logs.minigame.biz/search/?q=Quits%3A+lobbes
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Aite, before I tuck in asciilifeform I'll gpggram you all the trivia observations from the weekend trips to the rack to digest with a rested brain.
BingoBoingo: Before I tuck in I will say 3 is the lower bound for reset events. Based on mod6's original report I suspect more.
BingoBoingo: I am inclined to get some sleep for the night. asciilifeform if you dream tonight of questions to pose to the datacenter re: their ground fault which mght be informative, please forward them.
mircea_popescu: biosen, however... seems to be the favoured cunt.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform nao has the necessary optics that for e.g. 'FG2' and fyootoor products, we can include signed board photos.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect they'd know what to do to those.
asciilifeform: they show no signs of molestation, not only work to spec but rom untouched.
asciilifeform: incidentally manifest actually includes 2 FG units ( pizarro-owned ) . i had to fly'em back in april , if anyone recalls, cuz of ben_vulpes's misadventure where they were pawed by orcs for whole night
asciilifeform: ( i suppose technically this is 4th expedition -- BingoBoingo orig pioneer, and then ben_vulpes . but asciilifeform's 2nd. )
asciilifeform: there's a list of itches that needs scratching and it got longer today.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: acceptable for nao , but i'm inclined to make 2nd expedition sooner rather than later.
asciilifeform: ( why needs gear ? because can flash even nao, but you want to get orig rom contents ~out~ 1st, for a good looking at. and then there is 'unbrick' event also. )
mircea_popescu: "we dunno wtf happened, i guess to a certain mind events centered on jan 13th suspicious as fuck, we have a new kernel and we redid the bios just in case, dunno what more can be possibly done" is, or atleast i guess will have to be, acceptable.
asciilifeform: it is on the cargo manifest for 2nd.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do. i actually bit my elbows after 1st expedition, that i did not include the necessary gear for this in the 1st crate.
mircea_popescu: do you suppose bios could benefit from a reflash ? if nothing else, to have thermal / crash logging as expected ?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 16:48 asciilifeform: after we get to the bottom of UY1 issue, i'ma make sure that all iron owned by pizarro has asciilifeform-baked kernel in place.
mircea_popescu: i recall folks asking, and you saying ok, rather than "you know what... i don't even recall who made this kernel, maybe i remake it when i have time befgore oking this"
asciilifeform: i'd much rather folx did those on rk's..
mircea_popescu: quite well snapped to the peculiar idiocy of a certain band of peculiar idiots.
asciilifeform: there's the 'what used for' q also. i'm still at a loss, i'll admit, re what is to be gained even from root on a box hosting blogs.
asciilifeform: i recall there was a piece where mircea_popescu threw out a raid card
mircea_popescu: depends what i use them for, yes.
mircea_popescu: not proposing this is foolproof or anything ; not strictly speaking ~impossible~ thermal trip went unnoticed.
asciilifeform: i thought we were discussing the outrageous howler that 'dc would warn if 1 box in a 42u has 1 chip 40c over temp'
asciilifeform: and the halon gets pumped.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I asked. If you have some targeted questions I will be happy to ask them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'is 3 tonne auto here or not' is very diff problem from 'what temperature is the red hot nail inside this 30kg crate'
mircea_popescu: thermal trip is usually >70s or somesuch
mircea_popescu: same fucking thing is the case in ~every dc i eve rsaw, there's a line of sensors above the racks, and can tell whether box is working 30s, 40s or 70s
mircea_popescu: you ever been in one of those parking lots where they have devices telling you how many free spots per isle/level, and red/green light above the individual spots ? without, magically, having a rod up your driver's ass.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i ~also~ find it peculiar your dc wouldn't have alerted you in case of thermal trip. because in general they have sensors. << There was a ground fault alarm tripped in the datacenterś fire supression system over the weekend, but the time doesn's line up with the beginning of this reset crisis.
asciilifeform: ( and if this wasn't part of the deal you had with'em, oughta have a stern talk )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if a dc were able to warn you re overheating cpu, they had root on yer box.
asciilifeform: aimed at what ? the outside ? you'd need a bomb calorimeter and whole thing in transformer oil, to stand any chance of distinguishing a frying cpu from a working one through closed chassis
mircea_popescu: w/e, the spot things.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is an academic discussion. in any case, i've had warnings re hot boxes from dcs before, it's not a wholly unheard of item. laser sensor costs ~nothing, and hvac management is 60% of what they do for a living.
asciilifeform: ( and a cpu is a ~1g thermal mass. )
BingoBoingo: I took off a light layer of particulate. When I opened the chassis I found it matched the photos from when the FG were installed.
asciilifeform: what's the temp 1m from a hot iron ? ~room.
mircea_popescu: the isle cooler tends to notice if rack x is spewing out 200C
mircea_popescu: i ~also~ find it peculiar your dc wouldn't have alerted you in case of thermal trip. because in general they have sensors.
mircea_popescu: photo or no photo. did you take your own weight in gunk out of the fans over there ?!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja happen to photo the internals when you opened ?
mircea_popescu: and then, when i went to clean it, i found it dirty ; as opposed to clean.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i did. let me tell you how it behaved : box went down. upon reboot it went down again, in the following manner : every time it was rebooted, within a finite time interval (bout an hour). no exceptions.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, if you run it you own it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this observation merely begs the question of "why".
mircea_popescu: indulge me. so the theory goes that an event with a probability inferior to 1e-4 / day occured three times in two days ?
mircea_popescu: ie, a fan stoppedf by itself, and then started working again, by itself ?
asciilifeform: imho mle is still thermals.
mircea_popescu: (i think the third reboot was actually you guise, or not ?)
mircea_popescu: i never saw a mobo bust a cap and then boot by itself again tho. besides, he'd see a busted cap i imagine.