decimation: heh there were a few I guess
pete_dushenski: looking forward to finding a story worth exploring therein
pete_dushenski: i have cold hand luke on the schedule for today.
gribble: L'aile ou la cuisse (1976) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074103/>; The Wing or the Thigh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wing_or_the_Thigh>; A.O.C. L'aile ou la Cuisse | Home: <http://aocnyc.com/>
pete_dushenski: this is the movie you're referring to ?
mircea_popescu: such a perfect mirror for the peak of l'aile ou la cuisse
assbot: Bitcoin is unfair. That’s the point and so it shall remain. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvT4Bu )
pete_dushenski: scoop-a-loop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/08/bitcoin-is-unfair-thats-the-point-and-so-it-shall-remain/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: cazalla not only did i not realise that, but your comment was definitely caught up on the spamhole so thx for the heads up !
cazalla: pete_dushenski, not sure my comment went through but fyi, the bitcoin center ny is getting into incubating startups if you didn't know already :)
mircea_popescu: heh if only. in fact, the state doesn't pull all choice into becoming public. that's an insanely optimistic view of the process. the state pulls public choice into meaninglessness, and then ruins all alternative.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is jonathan buckwheat.
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html < "Guest: And that--I do want to keep defending Buchanan. What Buchanan's worried about is a monolithic Leviathan. Because he thought, once you have a state, it will just eat all of the other choices. It will pull all of them inside, like a sort of great vortex. All of the choices will become public because that's the way that states work. That's the logic, is to expand.
mircea_popescu: "You beast! You will pay hand over fist, you and the [Romanian political party]'s newspaper The Power that allows you to shit your dirty shit! This time you're fucked! See you in court garbage!"
mircea_popescu: the daily wtf comes to us from eliza i. http://trilema.com/2014/the-womans-job/#comment-112565
ben_vulpes: but really it comes back to the wot.
ben_vulpes: this also entails delegating projects of various scope in different domains to them and then carefully reviewing delivered code and user-facing features.
ben_vulpes: i don't know about that. generally working with any given individual for a few months is enough to suss out their competence.
decimation: I suppose that part of the problem really is that humans need a few more generations to sort out how to have a 'status hierarchy' for programmers
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2014 02:02:08; gribble: The Story of Mel - Catb.org: <http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html>; The Story of Mel: <http://www.cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/mel.html>; The Story of Mel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Mel>
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo> Studying CS would be a fine path if only the studiers would accept being deprived of computers until their 30's < hehe my old man was writing code years before he first saw a computer.
decimation: punkman: yeah that's a good point. the outside visibility on a superficial level is somewhat obscure
decimation: http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/08/on-secretly-terrible-engineers/ < mostly rambling but has an interesting point "The difference between finance, management consulting, and engineering is that the first two fields have status hierarchy, and the third one doesn’t."
BingoBoingo: Studying CS would be a fine path if only the studiers would accept being deprived of computers until their 30's
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: "OMG I can make money programming compooters, i'd better jump on the CS bandwagon" << you tell me
thestringpuller: hacking the js's and css's
ben_vulpes: that is, if you really lack the kind of mind that hungers for something beyond "money".
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: how so? what in your opinion is the best way?
thestringpuller: it's the first cad software I used so I guess it's kinda "mainstream" now
punkman: thestringpuller: everyone knows autocad, doesn't need to be in list
ben_vulpes: i still think CS is the worst way to make money programmering.
thestringpuller: "OMG I can make money programming compooters, i'd better jump on the CS bandwagon"
thestringpuller: most of the undergrads coming in had never seen a programming language in their lives so...
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i think brainfuck was the only thing that fits that criteria during my undergrad at least
thestringpuller: punkman: lol. how did autocad not make the list?
asciilifeform: and lisps are generally the easiest
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: implementing a programming language of one kind or another is, afaik, still sop as homework
thestringpuller: i don't think the undergrads are smart enough to implement lisp
thestringpuller: only LISP use in my undergrad program is in the AI courses
ben_vulpes: http://www.openscad.org << the cad program i mistook for freecad in a several months old thread.
asciilifeform: the kind of lisp undergrads tend to implement
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/2yaahb/til_bertrand_russel_said_in_the_modern_world_the/cp7ob2k << the irony kills me here
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it's on aws right now
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i must confess that the most likely reason its bell has never rung is that i haven't the resources to actually process the 5 mil. or so donated pubkeys sitting here on local disk
thestringpuller: I will be interested in seeing what happens when you throw a key generator from here into the mix
thestringpuller: "Yes, it is as safe as generating your keys using a local application. The key generation on our website is done client-side only. This means the key pairs are generated entirely in your web browser and they never leave your computer. Our website never sees any key related data or the key itself."
asciilifeform: that's the only use case i can really think of for this
asciilifeform opened up the distribution zip, flipped randomly, and saw a page full of nist curves !
thestringpuller: closed the tab
punkman: I think they had openpgp.js before
thestringpuller: punkman: keybase is forcing users to trust in central authority rather than forcing users to learn "their lessons"
ben_vulpes: punkman, thestringpuller: a "better keyserver"'d not be a bad thing to do.
punkman: thestringpuller: they more wanted to make a "better" keyserver, that linked to your twitter/github/whatever.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: at any rate, that particular flavour of idiocy has been around for a while
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: already baked...
asciilifeform: hair shirt >> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07113b.htm
asciilifeform: the folks who are willing to use 'lynx' for 100% of their www needs already know who they are.
asciilifeform: i don't consider browser that won't build across the whole posix planet to even 'count' for the purpose of discussion
ben_vulpes: what's the graphical www browser story over on le bsds?
asciilifeform: but my impression is that he's the 'boy stuffing his finger in the flood dike' as in the fairy tale
asciilifeform: a good chunk of the reputation of linus t. is that he's been fairly effective at keeping a lid on this kind of thing, historically
asciilifeform: whereas the real issue is, whether google should be permitted to stuff arbitrary strange into mainline kernel on their say-so
asciilifeform: bringing it back to the 'tsync' thread, there are two separate questions that the evil dwarves would have us believe are simply one - the technical merit or lack thereof of the 'tsync' mechanism
asciilifeform: as if it were possible for the machine itself to protest and say 'i don't like this particular 'what,' it was written to brutally rape the operator when the planets next align'
asciilifeform: shitgnomism is a thing mainly because these two very separate considerations somehow ended up munged into one
asciilifeform: the 'who' gets to contribute
asciilifeform: the 'what' - gets in
asciilifeform: there are -two- separate types of policy re: a major project with 'open' contributions
asciilifeform: 'camel wants his nose in the tent'
asciilifeform: i deliberately won't comment on the technical aspects (can't bring myself to give a damn) but the psychological patterns point to - power play
asciilifeform: but now google intends to force it through with the usual 'or we take the ball and go home' gambit.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: short summary: patch submitted by google chrome devs themselves; supposedly to simplify their sandbox 'jail' mechanism
jurov: what's the problem with firefox?
asciilifeform: RIP last usable graphical www browser (chromium, that is, not chrome, but doubt that either will be runnable after this)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Pierre_Rochard: ;;later tell pete_dushenski my compliments to the chef for the latest contravex post, all of the ingredients were perfectly cooked
punkman: I enjoyed the maritime story btw ;)
ecstaticpessimst: Oh, I wasn't browsing from my home network. maybe I caused some problems for some other people....that would be exciting
punkman: well some people report their internet/router going down for short periods
ecstaticpessimst: thanks for the headsup though
punkman: either configure "SASL" login, or disable autojoin
punkman: probably not the best analogy for people that don't understand lightbulbs
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: conversation not too long ago about buying hardware for specific purposes, and how it tells your enemy exactly how he can screw you << that observation was specifically about integrated circuits. which the buyer, barring extraordinary investment in time and machinery, cannot inspect.
assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 05:40:23; danielpbarron: i feel like this relates to the conversation not too long ago about buying hardware for specific purposes, and how it tells your enemy exactly how he can screw you
assbot: Logged on 27-07-2014 02:14:01; asciilifeform: http://kyristor.com << dumped my ancient derpage in there for archaeologists to derp on.
assbot: /hashtag/AggressiveCleavage?src=hash- the /hashtag/GamerGate?src=hash OP I've been in training for my entire life... they pay me for this, y'all... http://t.co/fSEA2kheDL
punkman: so I just got a call from the Congo, didn't have enough time to pick it up. wonder what kind of scam it was
mircea_popescu: "Nevertheless, C's approach to strings works well." :D
mircea_popescu: X3J11 committee standardizing C would face the same problem.)"
mircea_popescu: "The most important of these has been the tolerance of C compilers to errors in type. As should be clear from the history above, C evolved from typeless languages. It did not suddenly appear to its earliest users and developers as an entirely new language with its own rules; instead we continually had to adapt existing programs as the language developed, and make allowance for an existing body of code. (Later, the ANSI
mircea_popescu: in "the gambia"
adlai: well the us plays the role of global policeman, and suicide-by-cop is not punishable (except for maybe retiring the individual cop early, since he won't make a good public face for the department)
mircea_popescu: but nuland's ukraine coup failed so spectacularly it's contending with the iran contra affair.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell whaack Joi can get in the wot.
mircea_popescu: adlai from what i've heard, they want to form a Third Foundation. this is getting even thicker than asimov << lolz. the part where they carefully avoid the why of it, and how exactly the old one died is also the part that ensures they stay irrelevant.
assbot: Two Defendants Charged for their Role in an Attempted Coup in The Gambia | OPA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErF6Qr )
adlai: “These defendants stand accused of conspiring to carry out the violent overthrow of a foreign government, in violation of U.S. law,” said Attorney General Eric Holder. http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-defendants-charged-their-role-attempted-coup-gambia
adlai: if you have those abilities, why not put them to use building something useful?
whaack: adlai: Haha I guess I should say I've mentally told myself I'm going to do the task - no work has been put in yet. But I just want to build my own bitcoin tool. I probably won't wind up using it but I want to prove to myself that I'm able to do it.
whaack: adlai: ah yes I've read this, I like it a lot. I'm currently taking the task of building my own hardware and writing my own transaction signing tool. It's difficult though and pushing the limits of my feeble brain
whaack: devoid of interests in profit or political affairs, but merely the ideals of bitcoin
adlai: from what i've heard, they want to form a Third Foundation. this is getting even thicker than asimov
cazalla: when we use to wag school to go to the beach, we'd cut across the tarmac at that airport to get to the train station quicker (they put up fencing after 9/11, you could basically wander across it prior to that)
cazalla: Pierre_Rochard, i think they're going to put it on display at the airport museum or something
cazalla: lulz, so my parents called to tell me qantas landed a 747 in the town i grew up in, looked like the entire fkn town was there to watch it too (tbh, wish i could've been there ha) http://imgur.com/u0t6Asf,psLiFgA,aywdo0B
mircea_popescu: pretty much the whole float o.O
mircea_popescu: half the usian literature (which is 2/3s cinematographic) revolves around the shock and horror of... BORDERS!111
asciilifeform: jurisdiction limits don't confuse americans at all in application to -other- (vassal or non-usg jurisdiction) places
asciilifeform: (his gadaffi essay, among other items quoted here in the past, were in 'the disciplinary sanitarium' - great piece on more-or-less this ^)
asciilifeform: limonov's 'escapees from the sanitary asylum' yes.
asciilifeform: (vs the usg fiction)
asciilifeform: they aren't uninfected
mircea_popescu: wait, i think i lost the convo.
asciilifeform: the way north kr at least partly still is
asciilifeform: nor did any street urchin watching the chop show
mircea_popescu: "This is the Plesk default page"
thestringpuller: how is cthulhu and the borg related?
mircea_popescu: i think "isis" is really the only available symbol to describe chtulhu, the borg, entity q and so forth.
trinque: I've had a highlight on deedbot- in the meantime
trinque: sometime this weekend I'm going to make some improvements to the thing, including uploading via cronjob
asciilifeform: betcha they see #b-a as something not unlike how normal people see militant 'vegans'
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah, I've been running the uploader by hand; I'm around to do so
mircea_popescu: those dudes find themselves in the position where atrocities that were just fine suddenly are viewed as atrocities by a cohesive group.
mircea_popescu: really, bitcoin is quite aptly "a microscope". specifically, in this case : the sort of bs idiocy we deride used to pass for "business" and "entrepreneurship" as a regular thing. sop.
asciilifeform: http://fetlife.maybemaimed.com/reverse-the-spin.html (from mircea_popescu's comment section) << mega-l0l
mircea_popescu: for all the american beauty fans : http://41.media.tumblr.com/69d4a34cc4a125868a9f77b1adb73899/tumblr_mzpd5kUAsW1s8p58po1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: meant the overall logic, rather than opcodes (of course you know the opcodes, that isn't what takes time)
mircea_popescu: well if you're going to write asm you'd better know the opcodes.
asciilifeform: then yes.
asciilifeform: before anyone says 'but the data set' - people in the 'age of xx kB' often kept them on tape and operated piecemeal
mircea_popescu: "Thompson was faced with a hardware environment cramped and spartan even for the time: the DEC PDP-7 on which he started in 1968 was a machine with 8K 18-bit words of memory and no software useful to him."
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/c4795082b23d573a3276a12484bea300/tumblr_n1st82xHTv1ttw7kgo1_500.jpg << thermorectal in a good way! check it asciilifeform
cazalla: i've updated the ulbrich appeal with pdf and text of the motion of a new trial if anyone was interested in reading it http://qntra.net/2015/03/ross-ulbricht-seeks-new-trial/
adlai: "Immediately I noticed the feeling of a fishing line pulling me screen-first throughout the day."
ecstaticpessimst: true, I just have a very small web presense so most of the views come from people Ive met in person and I dont tell them about it usually.
asciilifeform: ecstaticpessimst: neh, this is the positive reception. the folks who have nothing of interest published - they're the ones who get the dissection
ecstaticpessimst: A friend, I forget their irc name though.
asciilifeform: ecstaticpessimst: best way to get a feel is to read the log, published on www, log.bitcoin-assets.com
jurov: well, it's just amazon insists on renaming everything to "elastic cloud". cloudfront is just ordinary CDN and the stuff there is static content.
asciilifeform: possibly the word 'cloud'
asciilifeform is not sufficiently up to date on the subject to remember why he instinctively flinched at seeing 'cloudfront' on the error page
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ got rebooted , on it
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/68e9a0103fcf9c56fb4d901f12b06400/tumblr_mwvrf4gDpg1rk82pto1_400.gif
asciilifeform: oddly enough - used for just the pata 40pin header and nothing else
asciilifeform: (the grungy, dark lead-free kind)
mircea_popescu: granted, the communist halp was by and large not much better, but anyway,
mircea_popescu: "Multi legionari ar fi dat orice ca sa-i insoteasca in aceasta Cruciada. Insa lipsa fondurilor si previzibila impotrivire a guvernului fata de o expeditie de amploare au facut ca Legiunea sa trimita pe front o echipa alcatuita din numai sapte oameni." << "everyone wanted to go but too poor to afford the trip, and besides, parents wouldn't approve. so they had their own 7 man condor legion."
asciilifeform: best hypothesis appears to be: the chinese crapfarm who built the adapter - used conductive glue instead of solder for one of the connectors
asciilifeform: assumed it was some horst wessel-like figure or other
mircea_popescu: im not all that up to date to their internal strife, but think in terms of ny mafia. some underboss or other.
mircea_popescu: and the later pic is i dunno what.
mircea_popescu: oh, the first two are prolly repatriated dead in spain.
mircea_popescu: the stiffs ?
asciilifeform: who are the stiffs ?
mircea_popescu: it's the 1930 anthem of romania's fascist group, rewritten to quite outrageous ribaldry.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, on the poetry translation angle, http://trilema.com/2011/sfinta-inocenta-puberala/
mircea_popescu: "Accordingly, I respectfully ask Congress to raise the debt limit as soon as possible," Lew wrote in his letter.
asciilifeform: which is to say, making sure that the thing is not removable under any conceivable 'reform'
mircea_popescu: "About 7.5 million HealthCare.gov customers are at risk of losing those subsidies, which help them pay monthly premiums for health insurance plans purchased through that federally run marketplace that serves 37 states. Experts predict that more than 8 million people would become uninsured next year after finding their plans too expensive without the subsidies, and after plan prices rise to compensate for the loss of cu
mircea_popescu: pretty much everything on cnn seems to be on the topic of populism.
mircea_popescu: And that six-month grace period in turn could ratchet up political pressure on Republican opponents of Obamacare to develop a plan to replace the valuable subsidies, which would be expiring right on the eve of the 2016 presidential primary season, instead of this summer."
mircea_popescu: "A leading tax expert says the Internal Revenue Service can, and likely will, let HealthCare.gov customers keep their Obamacare subsidies through the end of this year if the high court rules in June that those subsidies are illegal.
asciilifeform: like the microcontroller fella from last night
mircea_popescu: i wonder how people justify working there to themselves. "o, i am now stuck in traffic driving towards my workplace, which is cnn. where that fucktard abigail stevenson works. it must mean i'm as incredibly stupid as she is ?!"
mircea_popescu: she looks like a would be porn starlet that didn't make the cut, tbh.
mircea_popescu: it just... it's not even bitcointalk level. if these people were fired tomorrow, not all of them would qualify to write ranty nonsensical posts on tardstalk in defense of an entrepreneurial artisan woodcarver or w/e.
mircea_popescu: These entities outside of the U.S. have been making money hand over fist for years from oil, and Cramer thinks it is about time that this cartel that kept oil unnaturally high priced for so long return it back to hard working citizens."
mircea_popescu: "Here's the good news: you could have already received that $1,000, but from another source. Pretty sweet, right? It landed in your pocket from a combination of the Persian Gulf nations, non-Opec trading partners, and U.S. oil companies.
mircea_popescu: "Some would argue it would mean nothing to the U.S. economy or the consumer's budget anyway. Only a rich person would be that insensitive," the "Mad Money" host said.
mircea_popescu: dude cnn sure makes the us sound like east africa.
mircea_popescu: "What if the federal government handed you a check for $1,000? Would that go to that new pair of shoes you've had your eye on? Dinner for the family? Credit card bills? The possibilities are endless."
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> nah, the pentagon can barely intercept mail to Fat Kim that has "TOP SEKKREIT PLZ NO BULLY" written all over it << bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> can someone please explain to me why this is an issue? << because for as long as this is a pretend-issue, they can continue to pretend-ignore the various actual issues.
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> lol i think they're better than that. a broker i've done a few deals with swears by << it'd help if he were in wot
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev << 'CloudFront attempted to establish a connection with the origin, but either the attempt failed or the origin closed the connection. ' >> ??!?!
asciilifeform: (jp reply to an american co. which requested, some time in the '70s, a crate of transistors with the 'usual x% defectives')
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'for your convenience we have packaged the defective transistors separately' ? (famous)
ben_vulpes: anyways, feds can't pull their heads out of their arses. apple, otoh, targets you and yours specifically for pain.
asciilifeform: (if you want to see one, peek into a police car. for some reason the laptop permanently bolted in place there is inevitably a 'tougbook')
ben_vulpes: nah, the pentagon can barely intercept mail to Fat Kim that has "TOP SEKKREIT PLZ NO BULLY" written all over it
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you're thinking of 'toughbook' and similar, these aren't normally found among 'desk pilots'
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: only the pentagon does
ben_vulpes: "why are you using macintoshes anyways - don't you get government stipends to buy the 10k windows laptops?"
ben_vulpes: east coast gets the bum hardware.
ben_vulpes: they also know exactly how quality each device is.
ben_vulpes: apple ships you people all the 'B' grade hardware.
ben_vulpes: nobody likes that part of the country.
ben_vulpes: it's because you live in the Forbidden City.
asciilifeform: and apple wouldn't take them back
asciilifeform: their machines were -new-
adlai: eh, i'd say that broken uninstallers are 'crimes' at the same level as running a rigged shell game on a touristy broadwalk
kakobrekla: > I saw the Add/Remove option in the usual place. The installer, it must be noted, is completely broken and uninstalls essentially nothing — but broken uninstallers, in and of themselves, are not crimes.
adlai: asciilifeform: all i know is an HN headline which i didn't bother opening: "[yc company] (YC '15) finds cures for diseases which don't yet exist"
asciilifeform: anyone care to dig up the details ?
asciilifeform: 'As for the chosen programs, both of Epic Scales choices are Y-Combinator darlings, but one of them, the HIV vaccine immunity project, has been heavily criticized by scientists for having no actual scientists involved and for pursuing debunked methods of vaccine research.' << is a new l0l
asciilifeform: or you can just mail apple a box of benjies and skip the suffering
asciilifeform: instead you can buy a 'macbook' where the lcd fractures spontaneously. and/or one where the gpu melts
asciilifeform: nubbins`: there -aren't- any more actual macbooks (in, e.g., the 2010 sense) to be had
nubbins`: ...i can't afford another macbook when this one dies?
thestringpuller: nubbins`: what's the bad news?
nubbins`: good news! my browser appears to be safe from the security bug i just found out about
thestringpuller: i eventually had the thought, "Yea ALF would frown on this, lets die another day shall we?"
thestringpuller: fucking around with batteries in the not good way
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: just what was it you were doing?
thestringpuller: we were drunk as fuck and I immediately though, "would alf approve?" to see whether or not the procedure we were undertaking would kill us