mircea_popescu: they cram 9 digit people into 9 digit sig space.
PeterL: asciilifeform: is this the kind of thing you were talking about? http://www.amazing1.com/products/hho-hydrogen-pistol-paper-plans.html
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2015 03:09:05; mircea_popescu: "What is Social Security Number (SSN) Randomization? The project is a forward looking initiative of the Social Security Administration (SSA) to help protect the integrity of the SSN by establishing a new randomized assignment methodology. SSN Randomization will also extend the longevity of the nine-digit SSN nationwide."
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you dun understand how weak ssn is. see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-02-2015#1009887 and thereabous
nubbins`: what, the haxxors enumerated 100 million visa card numbers and /tried them all/ every time this guy got a new card?
mircea_popescu: but publishing unsigned mattrer on the deedbot is horribru.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea they didn't actually SIGN IT
mircea_popescu: xinxi what's the difference between a binary option and a bitbet like danielpbarron was talking earlier ?
pete_dushenski: thx thestringpuller :)
nubbins`: "It seems somehow the hacking team or the hackers have been able to get a hold of banking 'enigma' code so they're able to generate the exact same sequence of the card that I would be receiving in the mail."
trinque: fucks sake, how to use it was in the logs
trinque: and uh, did I just hear the word "intuitive"?
xinxi: 100 BTC binary options should be fine for many of you. The size is not that big.
xinxi: thestringpuller: yeah, mpoe was great.
xinxi: thestringpuller: I am still trying to attracting more users.
asciilifeform: seeing some disagreement from www on the question
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xinxi: The owner of coinut.com
asciilifeform: or rather, not (bank doesn't have much to do with an empty bag)
asciilifeform: and you can take that to the bank.
thestringpuller: well the money is going to jail not me
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 1 traffic stop away from penury
asciilifeform: (ianal but iirc my state actually imposes penalties on anyone, incl. landlord, who interferes with the display of a standard american flag)
chetty: and besides you are making a mess in the neighborhood, not allowed. No messy laundry or flags either
asciilifeform: you must be a deviant, is the thought
mircea_popescu: "they shouldn't be allowed to do that"
nubbins`: in the family way, i knew
nubbins`: best part of this "mystery cave" (which captivated the nation btw) is the people saying "they shouldn't be allowed to do that!!"
mircea_popescu: anyway, "in the family way" is this 50s periphrase, for fucking. well, fucking in the 50s way, ie -> pregnancy.
nubbins`: "The man who owned some of the equipment which was found at the tunnel saw it on television and called police. He said he had loaned it to an employee — a construction worker who underpins homes."
mircea_popescu realises tardively he might be the only one here subscribing to the hitchiker = roadkill convention.
nubbins`: "i brought this roadkill in for processing... in the family way"
mircea_popescu: i thought the man cave is where you take the daughter's classmates / maid / random roadkill for processing in the family way.
asciilifeform: as in, the compartment where he hides from wife
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform intel says this is basically a married life phenomenon. familiar to eu/ru folks as the "going to work on car" man had enough of wife thin
mircea_popescu: but for that matter, these idiots would prolly be amazed to hear about the ocean of air with its 100kpa right
asciilifeform: linked for the photo
mircea_popescu: "Is someone really going to settle for fairly good nuclear protection? Its like theyre comparing radioactive fallout to a chilly breeze, and as long as you block most of it, you should be relatively comfortable. "
asciilifeform: someone should've taught these folks how to do wagner&cyanide
nubbins`: next door neighbour has been shrieking hoarsely at the top of her lungs for ~45 seconds now
asciilifeform: ^ for the poor - coffin.
assbot: Cheap Mini Blast & Fallout Shelter Makes You Question Which Is The Worse Fate - OhGizmo! ... ( http://bit.ly/1wu5BBY )
asciilifeform: http://www.ohgizmo.com/2008/08/18/cheap-mini-blast-fallout-shelter-makes-you-question-which-is-the-worse-fate
nubbins`: "this shelter is gross, all the cans are lined with BPA"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the canned water, yes. still found on 'ebay'
asciilifeform: as with any consumer idiocy, these became 'status object' and those with some money would build appropriately bigger ones, with more pointless luxuries
asciilifeform: not in any way shape or form designed to resist blast or serious gamma, and certainly not direct enemy action on the door
asciilifeform: these were originally referred to as 'fallout shelters', which is a somewhat more honest description of what one might actually hope to achieve with one
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think of it more as a quick shower, rather than dirty :D
thestringpuller: google translates the short phrase to: "educational program"
asciilifeform: today used to refer to quick&dirty intro to something or other.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: short for 'ликвидация безграмотности', or 'elimination of illiteracy', a 1920s sov. catchphrase for all sorts of 'popular enlightenment' crackpottery
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: that's because you gotta search for ликбез
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what is the definition of likbez?
asciilifeform: when they know, often used as a wine cellar
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the kids that didn't like physics class : any metal, if subjected to radiation such as a nuclear explosion, becomes a secondary source of gamma rays, as it slows down the rads.
asciilifeform: and the owner does not even necessarily know
asciilifeform: they were, at the dawn of that age, popular to such an extent, that a great many houses -still- have them buried in the yard
asciilifeform: charlatans have been selling these steel coffins since mid-1950s.
asciilifeform: time for an elementary likbez on the bunkers of gringolandia
mircea_popescu: i guess these idiots never heard of scatter gamma huh ?
mircea_popescu: dude... in srs now. they can't be intimating that those steel frame boxes are the "bunkers" ?
nubbins`: that guy is still seling wooden w/e on the forums hey?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what i wanna know is, do they carve it by hand ?
nubbins`: also the frieght elevator has one elevator door and two swinging interior doors
nubbins`: except for all the mean things i said
nubbins`: i guess that's the grow room ;p
nubbins`: all you need is for two vendor reps to spit-roast you in the quarantine room
mircea_popescu: "nuke proof - but careful if the bomber tries to land nearby"
mircea_popescu: for one thing, there's 18 ~meters~ of concrete between the bunker and the atmosphere. the last 3 interspersed with steel plate.
nubbins`: not like these tho
mircea_popescu: the thing a crazy dictator builds for himself.
mircea_popescu has been in the casa poporului bunker
mircea_popescu: not the same scent to it while sleepover ?
nubbins`: these ones are *cough* nuke-proof
mircea_popescu: the notion that anything under ~50k sqft or so is a "bunker".
nubbins`: "all we've built so far is steel coffins roughly the size of shipping containers, but we swear we can build a 9000sqft bunker"
mircea_popescu: that's the spirit.
mircea_popescu: the internet's for porn because really, it can't do anything else... not well, it isn't a question of well.
mircea_popescu: it's not below average. this is the sort of shit the consumer internet is made of. from wikipedia to the last fucking blogspot blog.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the url is, let me remind and underscore, www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg
nubbins`: the motorcycle ride shook my bowels
mircea_popescu: nubbins` gotta power the shit somehow...
nubbins`: because, y'know, people like exercising next to an operating clothes dryer.
nubbins`: that's actually a massage table, treadmill, stationary bike, and a rack of free weights in the laundry room
mircea_popescu: obviously it comes from the supermarket, not worried about that part.
mircea_popescu: laundry room ahahahaha. and where DOES THE WATER GO.
mircea_popescu: ahaha this thing... the more you look the lulzier it gets. so in the office, for no reason whatsoever, they opted to make the door open into one of the seats. when they could just have had the weirdo table arrangement in the other end.
mircea_popescu: shit's got like 4 doors, what is this, the set for alien 8 ?
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the insanity of all those bunk beds, space's barely fit for you and one woman's spawn : why the fuck is the quarantine room the most central thing in there ?
nubbins`: they had to ban foreigners because too many
nubbins`: NOBODY WALKS THE DARIEN GAP
nubbins`: BingoBoingo:asciilifeform: If I did foot the whole way still ~3-4 months late, not counting the antihills of the Darien <<< get a boat from panama to turbo, colombia
nubbins`: massive, *massive* things. almost silly to see the full thing next to a canned portion
mircea_popescu: plus half a bunker in the closet.
mircea_popescu: hory shit i just saw the scale
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://www.madscientistblog.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/penfieldhomunculus.jpg
nubbins`: i like how there's 4 queen size beds too
mircea_popescu: as large as the motorcycle garage! because this is sensible now.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the lulziest part there is the "rabbits and fish" thing. i imagine cazalla may have a good laugh.
adlai: asciilifeform: working my way through the lispm talk makes me want to study EE
cazalla: i'd write this up just for the lulz but had a few too many
cazalla: seems they only accept credit card or paypal, no bitcoin
cazalla: looks like some hambeasts in the background though
cazalla: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/11462193/Irish-court-accidentally-makes-drugs-legal.html not that it matters, they're all drunks
davout: and what was that train ticket bzns where they were moving to brussels or sthg, grepped my logs, couldn't find it
cazalla: ah i just found those ones on the tardstalk forum
cazalla: ya, seen others, just not as provocative
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fun-read/
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/stuff-i-dont-understand-and-other-likable-parts/
mircea_popescu: and toddf quoite the guy, "For those who dont want to take the time watching the talk, lwn.net wrote up a great summary of the talk, and that article is here. For those of you without a lwn.net subscription, what are you waiting for? Youll have to wait two weeks before it comes out from behind the paid section of the website before reading it, sorry."
mircea_popescu: note the almost exact match of thing for thing.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 02:03:19; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047857 << check it out, the shithead lies about imaginary consensus in december, then "is working" on building the consensus he lied about having, in march. get lost, fucksticks. your gig is up.
mircea_popescu: DanTheBitcoinMan funny you should ask, because... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048163
mircea_popescu: <DanTheBitcoinMan> I guess it just costs them a little bit more to keep running their scams << this is the crucial point.
Vexual: its in the design
Vexual: all the electrons cant be wrong
Vexual: the anode is adjacent to important things, so, you know
Vexual: also, whens the last time you tried to sync anode?
Vexual: when the reward halves next time, fees are more importsnt
BingoBoingo: DanTheBitcoinMan: Qntra has a good number of pieces on this point
DanTheBitcoinMan: So what are everyone's thoughts here about Gavin running around and trying to promote his idea of raising the block size limit? Can anyone point me to a very good argument detailing the reasons this should be avoided?
DanTheBitcoinMan: Yeah, really, I'm sure that BFL placing that bet they still ended up convincing some poor souls that they truly were going to deliver
BingoBoingo: Anyways the onus is on the deliverer or someone they've built faith in to initiate one of those
DanTheBitcoinMan: Missed that one. The delivery bet needs to be used more often.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the right way to go about it is, challenge garza or w/e is pushing the thing to put some btc down
assbot: The positive market effects of the delivery bet. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzEQNE )
mircea_popescu: and more generally, http://trilema.com/2013/the-positive-market-effects-of-the-delivery-bet/
DanTheBitcoinMan: Yeah, the BFL Bet was beautiful.
DanTheBitcoinMan: Yeah, they'd manipulate and dumb to oblivion to win the bet, last ditch effort if it got big enough
mircea_popescu: this worked historically with bfl, stuck them for a decent sum
mircea_popescu: DanTheBitcoinMan the idea is for the proponent of the scamcoin in question to put btc down on it.
BingoBoingo: DanTheBitcoinMan: I'm not a BitBet mod, but a short on XPY with small stakes looks like Garza looking to rob again
DanTheBitcoinMan: So many idiots out there supporting this blatant scam, surely they would bet on it. Kind of like how the BFL Monarch delivery bet went.
BingoBoingo: DanTheBitcoinMan: BitBet tends to reject bets unlikely to attract betting action
BingoBoingo: DanTheBitcoinMan: WHich bet?
DanTheBitcoinMan: Trying to get rich off the XPY cult
BingoBoingo: Hello DanTheBitcoinMan
BingoBoingo: !up DanTheBitcoinMan
BingoBoingo: ^ Won't expire like dpaste at the least
mircea_popescu: trinque was going to fix the bizarro counterintuitive interface last we went through this
BingoBoingo: Near the end of the last boom, they were building them to about the lifespan of American cars.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (or rather, upper bound thereof) << your house doesn't collapse the moment a tile hanger in the bathroom falls off, but still,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the entire "shitgnome doesn't give up", you ever read http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#footnote_1_46308 ?
Vexual: its not funny really, the coins were stolen under duress, but you know
cazalla: perhaps this person simply handle the coins on behalf of another and did not buy himself, i dunno, wild goose chase tbh
Vexual: sounds like some good investigative journalism, when did they get the money to afford such a bid tho?
Vexual: well considering shafts and orbits, cruising in a sub is possibly the best of both worlds if money isn't an option
BingoBoingo: If you have a chance to resolve your deficit swiftly versus waiting for a problem to happen, doing the former offers leverage while doing the latter lets fucking New England win the superbowl.
BingoBoingo: Still, escape is more reliable for the same reason this "security" talking head is wrong https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/in-partial-defense-of-the-seahawks-play-calling/
asciilifeform: find the smallest number
asciilifeform: at any rate, basic formula that ought to put things in picture: take the mtbf of each life-critical piece of mechanism in your bunker
asciilifeform: Vexual: unless you're in particularly favourable geography (e.g. iceland) - the cost is roughly equal to orbit
Vexual: then you can recycle water
Vexual: if you're digging deep, why not go to the hot rocks and steam power?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most of Iowa is set upon a radio material goldmine, atm it is ust more economical to get food from the topsoil
asciilifeform: sell the Pu, buy a cuba.
BingoBoingo: Granted this is all easier if you conceed to having an RTG or twenty somewhere on the property.
asciilifeform: and what the mtbf of your turbine is
asciilifeform: the concept of clandestine 'farm' with electric lights is a sufficiently familiar one that folks ought to be able to take a napkin calculation and say
asciilifeform: my mind is still reeling that anyone, anywhere, might have swallowed the '3000 sq. ft for two dozen people', 'grow room' the size of bedroom, idiot hollywood 'motorcycle garage' and 'gun vault', etc.
asciilifeform invites aficionados of the subject to study what bunkers that were built by folks who weren't strangers to arithmetic looked like, what was inside, how long expected to function, under what kind of pushback, etc.
asciilifeform: except in the 'fuck you i'm a dragon' (tm) sense, i suppose
asciilifeform: death bunker is not substantially the same thing as escape
mircea_popescu: substantially the same thing wil lcost substyantially the same in a free market. and this is one.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the funny thing is, that the cost of a reasonable death bunker is nearly equal to the cost of escape. << if you think about it, this is necessarily so.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If I did foot the whole way still ~3-4 months late, not counting the antihills of the Darien
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm still on the wade through mud plan.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the funny thing is, that the cost of a reasonable death bunker is nearly equal to the cost of escape. << Yeah, seems at least as much as cost of escape.
BingoBoingo: Then again the last really big LSD production bust in the US if I recall correctly was an Atlas-F silo used pretty much this way
asciilifeform: the funny thing is, that the cost of a reasonable death bunker is nearly equal to the cost of escape.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's ordinary chumpatronics, where someone at least showed a bit of effort, and there's utter rubbish that falls apart after thinking about it for ten seconds if you've half a clue
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have no idea who the chumpatronicists in question are, or what they charge, but the drawings show that none of it has any relation to physical reality
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Especially lulzy since the already built nike garages go for ~$75k where one would need only hang drywall
BingoBoingo: 2/3rd the square footage adds shooting range and "quarantine" room http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg
BingoBoingo: Although in that example with their allocation of floor space I like how they in a historically justified manner unspokenly conceed the "dental Room" to all manner of surgery
asciilifeform: one inevitably concludes that it grows only ganja for the occupants
BingoBoingo: The prefab end times bunker honeypot
BingoBoingo: One good indicator though is people of the cloth who go for this sort of chumpatron are too be avoided http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/9000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg
asciilifeform: caveat is that the ancient truce whereby usg would not openly fuck with a church - no longer really holds
BingoBoingo: In USia there is a golden middle of Churches, generally for resource use you want an installation which is part of a larger mainline organization which happens to be helmed by a person favorable to yourself.
asciilifeform: many such properties in u.s. cities are hard up for cash and will rent as much as half the premises to random folks
BingoBoingo: Sure any idiot can print a card, but special is the third pary that will keep a record of having issued such a card and affording it officialdom.
asciilifeform: incidentally, dye-sub card printers are plentiful on 'ebay' and the like.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In plaintext best to attribute things to the imagination. Various other credentials that legitimate religious organization offers work well for prisons, nursing homes, other institutions....
BingoBoingo: There's always opportunities
cazalla: ah nevermind, in the logs..
asciilifeform: point re: herr torvalds was, that a healthy culture doesn't consist of a corral of helpless pets and one wizard waving iron staff standing on a bridge doing the 'thou shall not pass' thing
BingoBoingo: I wonder if this is the late Andreas of the house of derp http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-16766
mircea_popescu: oh, in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b126231cb86d89ecba1190317bd07302/tumblr_nirxk3XOsI1tcuxu9o1_500.jpg
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BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: You want a press credential, yes?
mircea_popescu: single point of failure of a meanwhile obsolete position, but hey. enemy loves to pat himself on the back over having "Conquered" the strongpoints of yesteryear, meanwhile abandoned.
mircea_popescu: i don't personally expect anything further from linux. in this sense, he's retired already.
BingoBoingo: Maybe Linus's ace in the whole just might be counting "STFU" as a resolution, but my hope for that is dim
mircea_popescu: the only thing it does is it encourages "problems" being dreamed up by people who otherwise aren't worth the time of day.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 01:11:28; BingoBoingo: further lol https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=b0bc65729070b9cbdbb53ff042984a3c545a0e34
BingoBoingo: I'll just throw out again that less-wrong's propaganda Harry Potter dicided to solve the Voldemort thing by decapitating everyone with carbon nanofiber tightened by magic.
BingoBoingo: Well, since the 1800's Krupp has done a lot to improve steel strengths and specializations...
mircea_popescu: steel was used for the x part in the xbow before it was abundant enough to go into swords.
mircea_popescu: nah, steel was still the spring./
asciilifeform: and was, iirc, pushed to more or less the limit
asciilifeform: at any rate, in the age of the arbalest the beryllium-copper spring did not exist. wood was the spring.
mircea_popescu: bows are almost limited by materials, but not really, still mostly the archer. crossbows however, it's all the shooter.
BingoBoingo: Wind the gears mechanically
mircea_popescu: but levering by gearing slows down the operation.
asciilifeform: but speed of bolt will not exceed speed of sound in the spring
mircea_popescu: bows are closer, but even there...
BingoBoingo: holliday had tb, twas what sent him to the dry west
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048076 << fwik it's the crankers strength that limits it, not the materials.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As did Doc Holliday and other Western gunfighters who lived more than a few weeks into their careers
BingoBoingo: Ah, cazalla's pice looms just under the threshold for srs reddit xposture https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ylqkl/alleged_usms_auction_winner_leaves_eldritch/
asciilifeform: cuts the fibers individually (they are designed to contain blunt impact, just as silk - the first ballistic vest material - did)