mod6: yeah, that's its default behavior. if you don't want it to delete the stuff, just change $FULL_CLEAN to "FALSE"
mod6: oh crap, lol, i didn't change the $BUILD_DIR back to "CHANGEME" derp
decimation: ok that kinda works, except it deletes all the sources except bitcoin
decimation: it seems that the telegraphers circa 1880 had better technology for sharing information
asciilifeform naively thought that wilson would have actually replied to the linked thing
decimation: (add it to your gpg command line in the script)
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 04:00:14; asciilifeform: to round off the electrobullet thread, i made this gedankenexperiment up for this just to show what folks like wilson -would- be doing if they were serious
decimation: it might be that the umask on the amazon box is group writable, but isn't on my centos6 obx
mod6: at the end of the static build there are 2 ugly warnings, but they're just warnings. so no worries.
mod6: while you're at it danielpbarron comment out line 130 of "auto.sh" so I can have you run one other command if you get through the static build.
mod6: so in the end the downloading/patching of the v0.5.3 base code won't be necessary since it'll already be complete.
mod6: asciilifeform: because how we'll roll out the release: 1) I'll patch the source myself and put it in a 'bitcoin' directory 2) i'll place the 'auto.sh' in the same parent directory as 'bitcoin' directory 3) tar those up 4) end user will unpack archive and execute `auto.sh'
asciilifeform: why are these separate scripts again ?
mod6: for all: keep in mind if you're not running the test on a x64 machine, you'll probably have to edit the vars on lines 4, 6 & 8
mod6: no, the perl script is a separate thing that grabs the v0.5.3 base code and then patches it. then `auto.sh' pulls bdb,openssl,and boost and builds 'em and then builds the static bitcoind
trinque: mod6: no problem, chugging along in the build
asciilifeform: is that in the sh somewhere
mod6: did you get through the perl script ok alf?
trinque strokes the cargo
mod6: ben addded those, not exactly sure what they do. lol.
mod6: ahh, just take off those params then. it doesn't need 'em i don't think.
trinque: what shell is supposed to be running the next one
trinque: mod6: I got through the patching script fine on latest gentoo
mod6: and yeah, im using gpg 1.4.10 there too
mod6: oh, i guess im running a deb6 ami up there.
mod6: asciilifeform: this is the correct key to pull for you right?
decimation: yeah cross-platform is a pain in the ass
mod6: everyone will start with an already patched codebase, unless they want to patch it manually or wrestle with one of the 2 scripts we have for this purpose
mod6: eh, all around it's not much of an issue with the perl script, because no one will run that ever anyway.
decimation: it's probably a good idea to get it working on centos6 because that's pretty much the 'amazon linux' shit
asciilifeform: not the output
mod6: ugh. anyway, i was hoping this would be the /easy/ part and we could actually test the part that needs testing lol.
decimation: for the dpaste?
asciilifeform: so far the deps are grinding
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits
asciilifeform: there's fucking winblows garbage in this thing
trinque: gpg is fouling up not finding the keyring
mod6: oh we're all discussing them pulling down the patch files, verifing the patch sigs and patching the base code
mod6: the perl script?
asciilifeform: the one in question
decimation: I get a buncha errors in the gpg_import.log
mod6: oh that wasn't from the log output. ok. i wonder why it would puke for you guys, but not for me... although, im running 1.4.10
mod6: what's weird to me... is that the log output that danielpbarron pasted, it says "good signature"
mod6: it /shouldnt/ matter because it puts a .gnupg dir in the place where you run the script from. we didn't want it to diddle with your normal keyring in ~/
mod6: ok... so. lets see here. i do think that ascii updated his key since then...
mircea_popescu: what's it change tho. it's common for rapists to regard themselves as "good fathers" and so forth, because she was asking for it or w/e.
decimation: mircea_popescu: it's common in the us for a usg employee to regard himself as 'apolitical' because he wasn't elected
decimation: i want the noise
mod6: we'll keep the noise outta here, unless you want ... NOISE :)
mircea_popescu: not the right sort of morals, these, that are actionable. gotta have some of a more theoretical sort.
mircea_popescu: "so the wife's a nag ? doesn't mean i /have to/ beat her until she desists. build mancave instead." on it goes. politicians are idiots ? self-appoint as "better than this" and that's that, work done. not like you have to shoot the bad politico if you can't vote him out. what, /have to/ ?!
mircea_popescu: "so what if make sucks, not like i have the responsibility to find and support an improvement. i just type here."
asciilifeform: decimation: there are plenty of 'crackpot' alternatives ('cmake', 'bake', .... 1001 others) but guess what
decimation: it's not like it 'fits into the cpu' like C does
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i'm rather surprised it took them so long to hook up the goldpricedumpatron to btc
mod6: yup, it just simply utilizes the makefile. but this way a person only has to run `auto.sh`
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/03/blythe-masters-to-head-wall-street-invasion/
mod6: so i made some additional changes to the modified pogo script. anyone wanna help me test quick? I tested it myself, but it'd be cool if someone else can verify.
asciilifeform: 'mil-std-1750a' for the curious.
asciilifeform: (and are also the only, afaik, remaining users...)
asciilifeform: the only present-day manufacturers are chinese
mircea_popescu: above were being made and enforced with no government oversight. So the Government convened some hearings. The unanimous consensus, even by Ralph Nader, was that attempting to regulate this process was an invitation to chaos. "
mircea_popescu: ey usually end up being workable. After two decades of fumbling, we have settled on a de facto standard for computer operating systems. It has imperfections - some serious - but it generally works. Imagine being saddled with a computer architecture defined by some central planning committee in 1983. At about that time, someone in the U.S. Government realized with horror that all the standardization agreements mentioned
mircea_popescu: "In Western democracies, even in the U.S. where the hostility to regulation is greatest, there is a vast amount of central decision-making, but day to day decisions are left to market forces. A lot of the regulation - everything from bolt threads to type fonts - is carried out by tens of thousands of standardization agreements worked out by the industries involved. The solutions that arise aren't always optimal, but th
asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.'
decimation: yeah it's the same root https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kennen#German "From Old High German kennan, from Proto-Germanic *kannijaną (“to know”). Cognate to English ken (“knowledge, understanding”)."
asciilifeform: 'Down came good Freya, frowning at Fúfu. / Said she to the warren-born: "No worth I find / In your smiting of cheese-thieves. Smirk not, but obey me...'
mircea_popescu: "holy shit all these cocks neighing!"
mircea_popescu: "s'thematter, couldn't sleep any ?"
mircea_popescu: time for bed, and in the early morning a very morose londoner sat with his breakfast.
mircea_popescu: so one time when a horse neighed, he got all scared. but the farmer told him to relax, horse just does that, it's called neighing and it never killed anyone.
mircea_popescu: which was impressive to him, because a) they had food and b) good living conditions (as compared to shitlondon of the time)
mircea_popescu: the story is, that a london redditard (poor kid from periphery) visited some peasant family once
decimation: wasn't there a certain church bell
mircea_popescu: anyway : "the sea" is the hellespont (which is what xerxes ordered flogged) in the same way hron (whale's) rade (road) is the sea.
mircea_popescu: (i'll help by pointing out that alf's device in discussing xerxes is structurally similar but stylistically very indicative of the changes in society since then)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not - there are idish newspapers in usa.
decimation: english arose because some retarded vikings living in the netherlands couldn't speak german
mircea_popescu: hence the scare quotes
decimation: plus the history of the french revolution is still shrouded by those who have a stake in its outcome
decimation: yeah, but the french revolution is a clean presentation of the modern 'revolutionary intellectual' and the consequences if he gains power
mircea_popescu: look into the abomination of "courtly love" to see 1100ad shitgnomism en fleur.
mircea_popescu: depends how you count the greek sophist.
decimation: mircea_popescu: of course the french philosophes pretty much founded the 'revolutionary intellectual' archetype
mircea_popescu: youth wasted on the young and all that.
mircea_popescu: decimation this is the so called stupid wife paradox. it goes like this : when she's young she thumbs her nose at submission, because hey, she's not "that kind of girl". so she finds a husband instead, spends two-three decades discovering that it's a rotten deal, then gets to live with teh regret.
mircea_popescu: dude, la revolucion is so fucking banal. always the same moves.
mircea_popescu: ahaha treason of the intellectuals verbiage, srlsy ?!
asciilifeform: and of course, the obligatory lenin, 'intellectual is not his nation's head, but its arse'
decimation: reminds me of that tlp piece about hating the system so much you want it to like you
decimation: related: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/march/11/the-intellectual-as-servant-of-the-state/
asciilifeform: xerxes whips the sea, snore.
decimation: re: the unmitigated contempt california holds for... well, basically, you. < yes, this is noted. every day reveals a bit more of its true self, if only in its fantasies
mircea_popescu: kinda goes a long way to show the unmitigated contempt california holds for... well, basically, you.
trinque: decimation: eh more like "one member of the california legislature proposes"
mircea_popescu: (pete will no doubt notice that ALL THE VEHICLES ARE MERCEDES_
jurov: BingoBoingo: would it be interesting for qntra how czech financial cops investigated bitcash.cz "theft"?
BingoBoingo: ^ thestringpuller
assbot: The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BsujTN )
cazalla: i'll just stick to pm'ing it so that i can throw a bunch of commands until i get what it is i need and no-one here will be the wiser
cazalla: trinque, forgot about upping the thing, i'm hung over :)
cazalla: so do i include the : ? deedbot- pm'd me with "Bad URL or network outage"
mircea_popescu: nttawwt, but don't imagine slaves come to sense through any process that doesn't involve clubbing them into the dirt.
mircea_popescu: and you know exactly how it'll go : the usg horde will derp their derpage, most idiots of the jwz ilk will "not want to pick the political bone" and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port << this is kinda how this process is going as is. hence the cardano.
trinque: maybe version 5 of the thing gets a USB port
trinque: understands the thing the whole way through, demonstrates its superiority against everything that's been ravaged by hax
trinque: meanwhile some plucky upstart builds something really dumb, like my ethernet light switch
trinque: they're all going to get hacked and fucked with like it's 90s windows all over again
trinque: all these shitty boards like the rpi are going to be making their way into all kinds of "smart" products
trinque: here's the opportunity I see; maybe I'm wrong
chetty: isn't the new apple watch thing planned that way? chip is not replaceable
ascii_field: trinque: let's hear the actual part #s
trinque: but then I'd just say aim for something dumber
ascii_field: and when the product is something like ready to use in life - bam.
ascii_field: buncha folks spend years picking apart the vendor's driver (mind you, this tells nothing about hidden functionality in the silicon)
trinque: I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port
ascii_field: by the time you have something usable, chip is out of print
trinque: ascii_field: so don't have those people involved in the decision
trinque: ascii_field: there are almost limitless tiers of potential products between hfcs and actual food
ascii_field: selling turd where c-machine abstraction stack continuously leaks into the supposed 'lisp' - is pure sc4mz4tr0nix
thestringpuller: one mans turd, another fly's delicacy
trinque: while we're veering towards the "there are no computers" topic, what's wrong with the idea of doing a little lisp-running raspberry pi competitor as a toe-hold into the computer making business?
ascii_field: (and 50 other supposedly-'optional' items)
ascii_field: when the machines turned 'disposable', they stopped having, among other things, steel skeleton
mircea_popescu: there's this thing that happens once something becomes "a solved problem".
mircea_popescu: i think it's related to advances in plastics. once they went fully injected everyone stopped caring.
ascii_field: there was a pretty clear 'phase change' some time around 2000
ascii_field: incidentally, and i've not seen this observation made elsewhere, but i noticed that laptop mechanical build quality went to shit around the time they stopped costing what a decent used car cost.
mircea_popescu: well there is that. nutty design energetically
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: separate problem is that, typically, none of these machines had decent battery run even when the cells were new...
ascii_field: plus they tend to sit on shelves for years, and Li ion rots in storage
mircea_popescu: they have it all. find a chinese person.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field no i mean the whole shebang, in a plastic casing to match original.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you can get chinese replicas of any battery in large bulk << raw cells - yes. the charge controller, with its parameter rom calibrated to those cells for correct discharge curve - no.
mircea_popescu: then what's all this stuff about small penises and pigmen ?
mircea_popescu: but what sort of dreams! you wouldn't even know most of the hetairai
mircea_popescu: they work splendidly.'
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 19:25:54; ascii_field: trinque: with a few exceptions (toshiba's miniature 'libretto' and similar) i am not particularly fond of ancient laptops - they tend to be bulky and have irreparably decayed batteries
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049105 << on the battery score, i dunno wtf weird planet that is, but you can get chinese replicas of any battery in large bulk.
mircea_popescu: not so much because they don't think i could figure out a way, but for the more obviously blunt reason that they correctly realise that if i give them a trojan horse they wouldn't have the intellectual werewithal to spot it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the idea that i'm not invited to give talks about how to ruin bitcoin to fucking cia is not the worst credential ever.
ascii_field: incidentally, (may have mentioned this in the past) - 'mit press' is among the clearest possible illustrations of what happened to american academia in past 20 yrs
mircea_popescu: at this rate by the end of the year they'll be claiming they exist and nobody'll be buying it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy to me is the part where these schmucks have gone from claiming "unanimity" three months ago to claiming "majority" a month ago" to claiming... parity, today.
mike_c: ah, yes. not to worry, the winklevii are almost done with that.
mike_c: i used to enjoy marking the bull run by when MPOE had to update its strike prices. can we bring that back this year? :)
mircea_popescu: the sort of usd rain we're going to see here has not yet seen before, and will not be seen afterwards.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: first i'd have to dig one up myself
mircea_popescu: the catch being that in order to avail himself of it, he has to give up some shard of his entrepreneurial delusion, and instead buckle down and work like a honest man.
mike_c: investors in US follow silicon valley like the midwest follows new york fashion. Now that they are pouring money into these startups, it could be a feeding frenzy kind of year.
mircea_popescu: it's very weird, this psychology of the failed entrepreneur. he comes here with a 100 btc problem, is given a solution that can and historically has covered 1000s.\
ascii_field: thestringpuller: went br0k3
mircea_popescu: ascii_field we're ahead on that score then.
ascii_field: when usg officials start vanishing from the stage because no longer can pay bills, rather than folks like moiety disappearing from our ranks - then we know, yes, victory
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 16:32:19; pete_dushenski: “following the humiliating CFTC episode, Blythe [Masters] disappeared completely from the public radar. Now, with a one year delay, she has finally reappeared… re-emerged as chief executive of the Bitcoin startup, Digital Asset Holdings.”
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049033 << poor polyanna boring, she had imagined she has something. as if the us isn't chock full of dumb 50yo cunts some petreus or other is trying to promote to "ambassadoirships"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the humiliation that 112mn is trying to assuage and can never be assuaged is the issue.
ascii_field: what does printing an extra 112m cost them?
mike_c: did the fork happen?
ascii_field: if they're feeling pain, it's a secret from me
mircea_popescu: ascii_field anyway, this scurrying to coinbase and mysterymeat is a good indicator of a) how painful the crushing of shitvin shitdressen was and b) how scary #bitcoin-terrorists actually is.
mircea_popescu: very smart. by this reading, the grime on these peoples' bathtubs is like a mouse : almost a life form, and one that didn't go extinct, either.
mircea_popescu: so a thing that did no work is actually compared to the few things that did work selected out of the large set of things that also did work by the criteria that they survived ?
davout: my read on 21 is "some bitcoin noob that happens to be fiat rich rounded a couple of other rich buddies, and wants to fix bitcoin"
mike_c: 21 inc is the new $116 million startup
ascii_field: the buggers got the message that purely spreadshit-based shenanigans don't have the desired 'bang'
ascii_field: 116mil 'mystery startup' << expect to see $maxint of this. usg will build malicious 'wallets' and other mainstreamadoptatron crap for all-comers
mike_c: *they're
mike_c: "He compares 21’s work in building bitcoin products for the general public to the sequential development of 56-kilobit Internet modems, international fiber cables and wireless Internet towers, which all helped bring the Internet into people’s homes in the late 1990s."
trinque: ascii_field: does not seem that there are any good choices to be made
ascii_field: in this discussion i'm making the assumption that you intend to actually work with the machine - rather than, say, using for pgp
ascii_field: lcd backlight tubes fade, also (but these one can generally find replacements for)
ascii_field: trinque: with a few exceptions (toshiba's miniature 'libretto' and similar) i am not particularly fond of ancient laptops - they tend to be bulky and have irreparably decayed batteries
ascii_field: (the only distro where -all- of the hardware works, incl. suspend mode, is google's gpl-violating gentoo fork that ships with it)
ascii_field: i bought the one with exynos 'arm' chip, it's gathering dust. there is not enough published chipset info to run a proper os on it
trinque: nubbins`: "punching himself in the head" << how autistic
nubbins`: google-translated linked source: "We all try to find the bag that thought was lost. Stallman was bad and sad."
nubbins`: "I was right there, after the talk. It was a very sad moment. He was really distressed. He started yelling and punching himself in the head."
ascii_field: and everybody knew about them
ascii_field: and likewise all of the fraud-mitigation stuff is bones thrown to the plebes to shut'em up.
ascii_field: the sequences are -deliberately- predictable, the crypto is quite consciously weak, the authenticators are a joke, the turdamatics require winblows, etc.
ascii_field: the money printer is something like a black hole of 'moral hazard', it has this effect where it is more or less impossible to behave like anything other than a scammer when sufficiently near the event horizon
ascii_field: so you strike a deal where the place is robbed 'a little' now and again.
ascii_field: but you are in charge of, e.g., the door locks
jurov: yea i suspected building the db with lower limit is neede.. but i gave up. maybe when i get ssd available
fluffypony: jurov: you'd have to reduce the limit and go from scratch afaik
ben_vulpes: the hell is he wearing?
ben_vulpes: far cuter girls at blues night than mit, dun see why i'd bother
Pierre_Rochard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049034 << They’re using SQL! Imagine that! No mongodb and node.js!? Must not be a serious bitcoin startup
pete_dushenski: “following the humiliating CFTC episode, Blythe [Masters] disappeared completely from the public radar. Now, with a one year delay, she has finally reappeared… re-emerged as chief executive of the Bitcoin startup, Digital Asset Holdings.”
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the other end of the nuclear shelter spectrum, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9cc26bb441b1a672d509870cac083e2a/tumblr_ndmg6imkQ91sl37wro1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: wangxinxi http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-cancel-your-bitbet-bet/ << here's a good primer of the maths involve.d
wangxinxi: mircea_popescu that could be a good idea. can we calculate the delta of such a bet?
mircea_popescu: so, if you have uncovered demand, simply calculate what backing you need and offload the risk on bitbet
mircea_popescu: wangxinxi well of more practical interest : just back your options into it. clearly there's volume there, which is exactly what the purpose of bitbet is : to provide liquidity/insurance to repackagers such as yourself.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: goddamit
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: new comment held up in the spamorator
mircea_popescu: wangxinxi but the question is, in what manner is it not an option ? if it goes over you win, if not you lose, or reverse.
mircea_popescu: it is yes. but the application here is more "get her dead epithelia / endometrium out of the washing water"
mircea_popescu: well, they're also trying to get bio stuff working, but that's iffier.
nubbins`: 10/10 will buy another if this one breaks
pete_dushenski: though i imagine they've already been tapped for more covert operations already
PeterL: ozone can be generated by hitting O2 with the right UV wavelength
mircea_popescu: they actually still have enough inefficiencies to wring out, so...
pete_dushenski: qualcomm getting into bitcoin mining space to the tune of $116 mn
pete_dushenski: lol mebbe darwin didn't either
pete_dushenski: reading darwin atm and his comment on the 'breed like rabbits' thing is less 'huge numbers' and more 'anywhere, anytime'
mircea_popescu: those chucks prolly don't even wash, they just circle each other riding on one wheel and shoot the dirt off.
mircea_popescu: nah, they breed like rabbits
nubbins`: the wallet card thing was mildly interesting, although overall very cumbersome
nubbins`: when i was in korea in ~2007 they had some serious online banking voodoo
wangxinxi: thestringpuller: it works now. thanks
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i would have been "squencing fraud" had fetlife actually been the government it takes itself for / behaves like.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyway, "sequencing fraud" is how illiterate gubernmint pinheads refer to "we use shit crypto and so it gets broken all the time"
nubbins`: like, he says "this is nuts, can i pick up my replacement at the branch this time?" and on his drive home he gets a call saying his card number was stolen