trinque: easier when you're poor, heh. I've moved across the country several times, selling all the crap that didn't fit in a car
asciilifeform: if knew what's in the tank
asciilifeform: but otherwise a nearly obvious description of what a gravity well even is
mircea_popescu: may explain why you're even contemplating the alien insanity, instead of just telling me i'm evil.
mircea_popescu: the reason you find it so hard to escape the gravity well is in no small part due to the fact that you;ve spent many decades making the wrong decisions and they're a bitch to undo.
mircea_popescu: well so then, here's an idle thought :
mircea_popescu: yours is some sort of insane c) where it has all the disadvantages of both.
mircea_popescu: basically, you're in this space that doens't eixst, at all. there's a) real estate you own, and you like enough to own, which contains furniture of value proprotionate to that. and b) real estate you don't give a shit about, if you come back to find it ablaze you just shrug and move on.
asciilifeform: chetty: we have these where i work
asciilifeform: for the rest of us, who don't have access to $maxint - they sit in rented hovels, yes
asciilifeform: my brother works in a chair that almost certainly was once at 'bell labs'
Adlai: clerical workers, the lot o ya
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda why you change them yearly.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chair+Ass | Chair Ass. The natural effect of the slow growth and spread of a clerical worker's physical frame, across the span of years of combining vending machine snack ...
mircea_popescu: "this is my bed, my grandmother died in it"
chetty: <trinque> mircea_popescu: do you know how long it takes to get the perfect ass crease in an office chair?!// longer than modern ones last
Adlai: or whatever the kids call it
Adlai: (with the medium/long plan, if this thing reaches usable quality, being backporting)
trinque: mircea_popescu: do you know how long it takes to get the perfect ass crease in an office chair?!
Adlai will lift from ironclad when the time comes
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares about the desk! and a chair, whatever, you just... buy a new one! that fits!
Adlai: asciilifeform: i've not yet polished hdw, the only reason i touched that file is so the commit would still pass tests
mircea_popescu: you're nuts, the lot of you.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then you're muddying the discussion up by being one of those who lives in a warehouse
asciilifeform: but no, i don't have precisely same items to put in rented space as the neighbouring derps
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not in excess. in exactly the correct volume.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck are you going around with an debodied engine!
mircea_popescu: this is like renting cars without the engine. "because i have an engine"
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 17:15:40; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'unlike anywhere in the civilised world, the Argentines rent unfurnished.' << wai wat?! most rental pads where i live are unfurnished - just the way i like it (wtf to do with the incl. furniture if you have your own?)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050208 << why the fuck would you own furniture in excess of the real estate you own ?
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't live in moscow if the flat were free.
mircea_popescu: Adlai there's nothing wrong with hatin' an' railin'. on the contrary. meanwhile the attempt to not do so seems to be damaging for the attempter.
asciilifeform: or soros et al would snap up the whole shebang
asciilifeform: that's the only way prices like this can exist
mircea_popescu: not the slightest clue of a commercial spirit.
asciilifeform: as i understand it costs more than that to have your title not magicked away by the 'big boy' privatizers in the locale
mircea_popescu: this was an earlier time in romania : foreigners weren't allowed to own property, like in fucking burma, and locals were the sort of retards the soviet collapse left behind,
mircea_popescu: gorj, romania's lignite mining county, finally had govt subsidies cut after 5 years of the mines n olonger being economically workable.
mircea_popescu: Adlai you know, you should probably write an exhaustive discussion of the cult an' publish it on yoru blog, rather than bottle it up and end up pankkake'd.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: betcha you had to spend more than 350 to turn into the sort of fella who might open the door behind which it costs 350.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 17:10:37; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Why would a property in a peso land be worth dollars ? Oh, because the peso is shit, they readily explain to you. Well, if the peso is shit, why do you imagine your real estate is worth anything at all ? ' << because if it were 10 usd, a beggar from calcutta would buy it and live in it; if it were 10K usd, i'd buy it; if it were 100K usd, american speculator corps. would buy it. so it
asciilifeform: Adlai: the tentacles, where i stand, flail wildly and without purpose
Adlai: even if you think both of those are tentacles of the same octopusg, they do have independent nervous systems
asciilifeform: it'd still have a 'too good to be true' flavour were it at 10x the quoted price - so i'm not expecting much
asciilifeform: and is, afaik, presently the only outfit of its kind
mircea_popescu: seems this process would have sunk them by now, but hey.
asciilifeform: shortly before sharing the tale
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so vendor knows they never shipped.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 15:39:19; PeterL: anonominity helps the derps feel better about not mattering, since nobody else can matter either
asciilifeform: update on 'macrofab' - vendor apologized, insists that they did not authorize 'no signature', offers to do another run (schedule unspecified) gratis
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 15:28:00; danielpbarron: "how dare they get paid to write when I have to pay reddit!!1"
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron 66 shitty twitter clicks are worth 50 bucks in the lalaland whjere twitter is a public company and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't mean in the past. i mean for the future. they're trying to make a "special file".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and, no, they didn't. they rewrote haphazardly and went 'so it works, stfu'
mircea_popescu: which is roughly what the power rangers figured out eventually too.
Adlai has babbled about such concepts to vc-types while orbiting those circles (at a safe distance), there's always the faint glimmer of hope that a good meme takes root
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 13:17:45; jurov: these openssl shenanigans...anyone tried libressl if it, say, needs -ldl?
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 12:22:05; *: Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050103 << don't be ridiculous. for one thing, commodizing asic mining is a larger task than commodizing cpu arch. for the other, they're a fucking sv corp, they're not going to DO ANYTHING. just sit around and talk about shit. preferably at "conferences", or else "liveblog" it.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 12:03:56; Adlai: sure, one of my big struggles lately is pushing myself to read slime source in the hope of contributing patches, rather than bemoaning that the bugs lurk in elisp and leaving it at that
asciilifeform: because their faced will be on 'youtube' etc. in real time.
asciilifeform: (thermite)
asciilifeform: with the usual caveats re: sensor cat-mouse games
asciilifeform: if real-time satellite is costly and unreliable, a 'poor man's' version will contain two rsa keys. one will sign every frame and globe coordinate tuple -until package is opened-, the other - after
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you open it by the stove.
asciilifeform: re: post office idiocy: i fully expect that before the era of usg is over, 'serenissima' cargo will routinely travel with real-time ir camera (and 'glonass') feed from inside the box.
mircea_popescu: Aquent i didn't make a statement about that, either.
mircea_popescu: i can readily see in the future "special" hard drives being made.
Aquent: mircea_popescu if you did win the auction how much would have you paid per btc?
mircea_popescu: has little to do with journalism an' everything to do with... wel, irc, basically, and the very republican roots of la serenissima.
mircea_popescu: the beauty of the internets, srsly. who the hell ever called up w r hearst to inquire about whatever points of minutia in some goddard article.
cazalla: Aquent, not everything that pointed to him is included in the article
trinque: the article itself gives its evidence
mircea_popescu: well you better ask him then neh ?
Aquent: this guy - what was the name again
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm enthusiastically in favour of either bulldozing or turning into leprosorium
Aquent: did you buy 27k btc from the marshals mircea_popescu ?
asciilifeform: to the extent something takes place on a known muppet theatre stage, it is not even all that important to go into the supposed 'motivations' of the muppets, when you can plainly see the arms growing out of their arses
mircea_popescu: who was that guy kakobrekla really liked, cognitive-something. kept making these and then posing into the forum's ethics board.
mircea_popescu: and thus, bush allegedly won the 2nd electoral term.
mircea_popescu: and this is why "apparently" is not more appropriate. the locus of power is b-a, not usg. when we say something here, fact or no fact, it becomes "apparently", like it or not like it.
mircea_popescu: that the usms claims to have held auctions is undisputed. that it in fact did not is also plainly factual.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 08:58:59; fluffypony: as a reporter you don't want to claim something as fact when it isn't, but the USMS holding 3 auctions is accepted enough that it doesn't have to be "alleged" :-P
mircea_popescu: "mp is bad mmkay!11" "you know the only reason you eat is his tolerant magnanimity" "doesn't make a diference".
asciilifeform: postman hits 'delivered' on his turdpad while it's still in the truck
Adlai: it's the ponytail. flew through in september with a hobo mop, no comment. look like a dealer or hacker? step aside please.
asciilifeform: Adlai: i still don't get this notion where t3rr0s1stz -somehow must- replace -all- of the cells in the battery with plastique, instead of only half
trinque: I highly suspect they tag people to fuck with
Adlai had to pick up his reserve summons - A PIECE OF PAPER - at the post office
asciilifeform: those get a door sticker, yes, and appropriate text in the www tracking gizmo
cazalla: they don't even knock on your door here, they just stick a "we missed you" notice in the letter box and force you to pick it up from the local post office yourself.. god forbid the postman knock at your door and wait for you to answer
asciilifeform: and i did not authorize the 'no signature' crap.
asciilifeform: funny thing is, i have cameras. and they show that no one crossed perimeter until postman around 1400 hrs (with only junk mail.)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell fluffypony You could have also pointed out that there's 496 total posts on qntra compared to the small portion of those on Reddit
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: jurov: i don't think the mailing list is working. it has snarffed 2 different messages from me so far today. i know the sigs are good on each & attachments.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Well... truth is a lot more complicated than that - in many places, in most places really national sovereignity is implemented as "being incredibly stupid in our own special way", which is of course neither "their own" in any sense nor to any degree special. This has to be broken down...' << aha colonization.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'unlike anywhere in the civilised world, the Argentines rent unfurnished.' << wai wat?! most rental pads where i live are unfurnished - just the way i like it (wtf to do with the incl. furniture if you have your own?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Why would a property in a peso land be worth dollars ? Oh, because the peso is shit, they readily explain to you. Well, if the peso is shit, why do you imagine your real estate is worth anything at all ? ' << because if it were 10 usd, a beggar from calcutta would buy it and live in it; if it were 10K usd, i'd buy it; if it were 100K usd, american speculator corps. would buy it. so it has to be 150K.
asciilifeform: crapware artists around the world will appreciate the ready-baked fw diddlamatic library, as will winblows users!
asciilifeform: mats or anybody else: if you have the disk diddler sample, post it
asciilifeform: mats: when the actual authorship is plain as daylight
mats: its all about the clicks, man
asciilifeform: mats: i for one am still puzzled by kaspersky's use of the idiot euphemism 'equationgroup'
mod6: jurov: can you see if a message got snarffed from the btc-dev list, i sent one in with the subject "Static Makefile Patch v0.0.2"
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mats: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/12/nsas_on_drugs_infosec_bods_unveil_space_grade_malware kek
PeterL: would be fine as an article if the whole things is all on one page! grumble grumble
PeterL: you know what is annoying? online articles which are split into pages. It is a webpage, I should be able to keep scrolling down, instead of increasing the "click numbers" for advertising!
fluffypony: the problem is that Reddit tends to breed "investigators" that post about what they've "discovered", when meantime it's pure conjecture
fluffypony: danielpbarron: they mean don't post someone else's personal information
PeterL: A while ago I got the entire discworld series as ebooks for like 0.005 btc, back when a btc was about 10 bucks
PeterL: I've been reading through his books lately, quite funny stuff in there
PeterL: anonominity helps the derps feel better about not mattering, since nobody else can matter either
fluffypony: the rest are just recommendations (eg. reddiquette) or sub-reddit specific rules that anyone can make
fluffypony: and not spamming is one of the 5 rules Reddit actually has: http://www.reddit.com/rules/
fluffypony: danielpbarron: yes, there's a 10% rule
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'm rather surprised it took them so long to hook up the goldpricedumpatron to btc << You once said, "USG is still trying to find way to put lead into bitcoin bars."
Adlai: the hardcore version of "created an account just to upvote this"
jurov: these openssl shenanigans...anyone tried libressl if it, say, needs -ldl?
Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu
Adlai: "Killed buffer" << even the lispiest abstractions leak
Adlai is rapidly becoming the archetypical smug[common]lispweenie
Adlai: sure, one of my big struggles lately is pushing myself to read slime source in the hope of contributing patches, rather than bemoaning that the bugs lurk in elisp and leaving it at that
gabriel_laddel: Adlai: In any case, Emacs works just fine and is sufficently lispy without dropping the Von N. arch.
Adlai: no, he wants to fix everything from the bottom up
Adlai: gabriel_laddel: what's the 'status' of your project?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: it seems to me that arguing with e.g., ascii as to if you can make linux less terrible is by and large useless sans the loot (useful technical tidbits) he drops occasionally. If you'd like to work on such a thing I can set you on the only sane path that I'm aware of, with justification as to why you'd do this instead of else.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 03:00:06; gabriel_laddel: I've actually done very little development for this dirtro. Most of my time has been spent finding perfect little individual peices and assembling them. Out of the box it has:
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:35:29; gabriel_laddel: Eh, perhaps I'm strange, but these things don't tickle me in the right places. Mountains of coke? Fun, surely, but it gets boring after a while...
gabriel_laddel: trinque: regarding "linux sucks but could be better" see the thread here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036490
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: "what is the lisp concept and how is hickey crapping on it?" << the lisp concept is: "a crystalline pyramid of comprehensible mutually-interlocking concepts", see Thumbs Down for Clojure http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42 The parens (i.e., syntactical correspondence with ast) so far as I can tell are inescapable, but incidental. They are simply the most obvious product of the philosophy "sophistication blosso
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:45:02; mod6: asciilifeform: it is certainly /strange/ that this problem occurs right after the last checkpoint in our version.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049865 << see the impossible coincidence of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049868 .
Adlai: fwiw, sending a relay node your transactions is no guarantee that a miner will see them
ben_vulpes: i kind of have to assume that any hardware i touch these days is wholly compromised
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049856 << another reason why 0.5.3 needs getblock functionality. i can't trust anything out there, and the best way to handle bitcoins safely is to be able to canvass a mess of bitcoinds and make some decisions about how to squirt txns into the network
Adlai: if you're going that far, a better approach would be inserting something that reports wallet.dat+password to a remote server, which waits until there's something worth stealing. one day, "all the bitcoins are gone"
ben_vulpes: knowing c it's probably just like hell breaks loose in the operating system
ben_vulpes: so basically pwn the vm layer, pwn txn validation possibly?
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 03:39:21; mod6: i don't even own or use a M$ machine, so it has to be the paste sites.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049682 << hah i ran into this as well, thought it was due to mounting the working dir in from the host machine
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 21:30:54; trinque: I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 02:58:53; mod6: ben addded those, not exactly sure what they do. lol.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049633 << oh just extreme naivte in thinking things like the bail on exit flag would be set the same way on other platforms
ben_vulpes: some mixture of all the above
ben_vulpes: sour grapes re youth wasted on the young
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 01:56:57; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still fucking hate that piece. the sheer mendacity of rich hickey in saying 'simplicity matters' while crapping all over lisp concept
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048149 << what is the lisp concept and how is hickey crapping on it?
fluffypony: doesn't matter, the term is still used incorrectly
fluffypony: as a reporter you don't want to claim something as fact when it isn't, but the USMS holding 3 auctions is accepted enough that it doesn't have to be "alleged" :-P
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6: im glad we're all trying this now. << kinda the advantage of doing stuff here. << true enough :]
mircea_popescu: the only thing that's useful in urban warfare is hiding.
Adlai: full auto is very useful in urban "kill everything" warfare. no country likes admitting that's what they're training for, but they train for this too.
mircea_popescu: "but brother, why do you try to rescue cost savings ? you know it;s in its nature to sting you". "yes. but it is in my nature to be stingy."
fluffypony: I don't know enough about firearm development to speak to the second
Adlai maintains that both of these are INcreasing, but neither has anything to do with the AR15 family
mircea_popescu: well honestly the second too, but unrelatedly.
mircea_popescu agrees that in practical terms, the useful full auto is rarer and rarer
Adlai: on the contrary, there's a lot less picking off enemies hundreds of meters away, and a lot more 'clearing rooms'
mircea_popescu agrees that in practical terms, the useful full auto is a shrinking space.
Adlai: there are situations where "spraying" is exactly what you want, but there are better tools for that than 'assault rifle'
Adlai: you can drain a 30 round magazine in ~10 seconds and get most of your shots on target, and all of them in the right direction; or drain it in ~3 seconds, overheat your barrel, and kill half your friends
mircea_popescu: with batallion size deployments rolling auto is much more effectual than "selective" whatever, because people are weird. sorta like how women living together synch periods, soldiers end up all looking in the same spot.
mircea_popescu: they're not that few, if you're actually fighting. as opposed to what regular armies regularly do.
Adlai: there are so few situations where it's remotely helpful to have an assault rifle in full auto, afaict the risk of accidentally using full auto in any other situation make it "wasach" but nothing more
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042552 << /methinks the civilians doth play too much vidya
mircea_popescu: there's no clean openssl post ~2002.
mircea_popescu: decimation: the paragraphs starts with "There are several reasons why calling the OpenSSL configuration routines is advisable." and then fails to name a single reason << the actual reasons are not the point, the statement that "there are reasons" is the point. fashion, no substance. you wanna be with the in crowd, don't you ? be hip, upgrade. there are reasons.
mircea_popescu: mod6: im glad we're all trying this now. << kinda the advantage of doing stuff here.
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mod6: then going forward, we'll add in more conditions into these things to account for various platforms/configurations
mod6: decimation: i think, in interest of time.. perhaps (with your help/testing) we'll post a patch for the makefile & the auto.sh post release.
decimation: ok so the only remaining redhatism is to strip out the 'realpath' thing and add '-l pthread_nonshared to the makefile
mod6: i'll do some more sync testing once I get the changes we found tonight resubmitted to the mailing list.
decimation: yes, 'strip out all the static libs 'cause it saves space'
mod6: so i'll re-submit that makefile patch and what will be v0.0.5 of the mod'd pogo script (with 'no-dso')
decimation: except for the dynamic -l m and pthread_nonshared
mod6: alright gents, i added 'no-dso' to the openssl configure and removed "- dl" from the makefile, and it compiled just fine:
mod6: asciilifeform: it is certainly /strange/ that this problem occurs right after the last checkpoint in our version.
decimation: yeah you put it on the Config arg line
mod6: decimation: so no-dso gets passed to the openssl build?
asciilifeform: mod6: did anyone ever fully crack the conundrum ?
decimation: or have we not snipped the rpc stuff yet
decimation: mod6: try modding the openssl 'configure' stuff to use 'no-dso'
mod6: which works, because those are just warnings. it does output a bitcoind in the bitcoin/src dir
mod6: at some future point, we'll get the crypto libs built in directtly.
decimation: at any rate, you can probably cut n paste the parts of openssl you need
decimation: mod6: yeah that's the same error
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu wants a provably-correct replacement. can't disagree, but i personally probably won't get around to it until after the war.
decimation: and then fails to name a single reason
decimation: the paragraphs starts with "There are several reasons why calling the OpenSSL configuration routines is advisable."
decimation: the label says 1.0.1g
mod6: danielpbarron: i think you have some other issues going on probably.
asciilifeform: let's see the puke
decimation: ok I got it to compile on centos6 but I had to add the following to the end of the linking command line: -static-libgcc -Wl,-Bstatic -l pthread_nonshared -Wl,-Bdynamic -l m -l dl
mod6: i'll have to figure out what needs to be different in the 32 bit version.
asciilifeform: nix it in the bitcoind make
decimation: it's downloading the boost tarball
decimation: the 'installing docs' step is really slow
mod6: i don't even own or use a M$ machine, so it has to be the paste sites.
decimation: donno. emacs with whitespace mode shows them
decimation: danielpbarron: windows adds an extra character to the end of each line
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 02:33:50; asciilifeform: there's fucking winblows garbage in this thing
mod6: there's a realpath bin you can install iirc
mod6: yeah, that's required from the original pogo script.