asciilifeform: that's the idea here
asciilifeform: it isn't even about the money as such
decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah except in this case, the taco stand bills itself as a custom taco stand
ben_vulpes: "look, we're ording from a taco shop. the tacos cost a dollar fifty a pop. they're not going to be pleased with crazy custom orders, so cut it out.
ben_vulpes: it's like i tell the boys
ben_vulpes: they're more efficient
asciilifeform: this was not part of the deal
asciilifeform: their 470 (not k) resistors are marked correctly (470) but have resistance of 200.
asciilifeform: so on first glance, their 470k resistors (0805 size) are actually 200k
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> btw... the icecream in this country... it can not be described. << so i expect: helado primo, vino tinto, y carne gargantua.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if i could offer anyone anything, would not be having muppet problems
asciilifeform: and how the fuck do i prove whose fault
asciilifeform: in another month
asciilifeform: it's exactly like the apple thread
BingoBoingo: How do these fuckers expect to do a business off of 1-off boards when a two board order offers two dead boards
asciilifeform was gonna order mainboard from these folks, to have in time for C III
asciilifeform: but conclusive test would involve desoldering them
asciilifeform: about to manually probe the components under microscope
decimation: which implies their turdware manged your design I suspec
asciilifeform: decimation: these are ordinary rngs, as seen at conference II
decimation: asciilifeform: did you order these with all parts populated?
mircea_popescu: incompetence is the parsimonious explanation
asciilifeform is floored by the sheer retardation. gave those idiots the simplest circuit in the world, as test
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2014 02:27:20; decimation: herr walker believes this could be scaled: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/rocketaday.html << the nazis paid $13k 1945 dollars per V2
mircea_popescu: it stands with the finest italian handmade gelateria in the same relation as this later beast stands with budweiser
mircea_popescu: btw... the icecream in this country... it can not be described.
mircea_popescu: i suspect there are more experienced aerospace minds here. how about you do it instead ?
mircea_popescu: i'm half tempted to do a "basics of satellites" like the hollywood and the corn one. however...
asciilifeform: not a single one of the rng submodules works.
decimation: but it also means that the sats won't stay up very long
Adlai: nah the blockchain will be in storj
decimation: the attitude in the sillycon valley space complex these days is that you can just launch some more sats
mircea_popescu: simpler problem : leaving aside the "Ever and ever" bs, even if you plan for 10 years you need tbs of hdd and gbs of ram. in space.
asciilifeform: i haven't the faintest clue
mod6: asciilifeform: this is the device you ordered?
asciilifeform: motherfuckers.
mircea_popescu: the damned thing had cards. in 1801
mircea_popescu: btw re computers and looms thread a coupla months back, i somehow forgot to mention the jacquard loom specifically.
PeterL: asciilifeform:the concept is meant to address an earlier thread - 'pashtun can make ak but rounds are still from izhevsk' << how about caseless rounds?
asciilifeform: decimation: there's exactly 1 through-hole part
asciilifeform: claims the former
decimation: I wonder if they have heavy automation or cheap labor?
decimation: with the strong dollar
decimation: actually now is the time to find prototyping services in europe or ru
asciilifeform: actually i've yet to plug them in...
asciilifeform: guessing it's somewhere slow - therefore american
decimation: ah. so they order on your behalf?
asciilifeform: but adds days (they wait for order to come)
decimation: do they take ie digikey?
asciilifeform: decimation: most of the parts aren't house
decimation: their 'house parts' list is small
asciilifeform: "we did most of the job" << these folks even offer a 'test' service but i can't really make use of it for these parts
mircea_popescu: in this day and age things aren't as they used to be, yo!
mircea_popescu: what, "we did most of the job" not good enough for ya ?!
asciilifeform: decimation: wow they even placed your shield? neat << it's a part, like the others, with footprint & centroid coordinates, etc. i'd be rather pissed if it were missing
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 00:30:52; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data. << i would like to hear the seasoned lispers take on this
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1050906 < having the evaluator|compiler available at compil|evaluation time vs asking it to (eval (read (http-request "wack")))
BingoBoingo: Midwest "Italian Americans" are the worst
decimation: of course, note that nearly all 'italian americans' come from southern italy
mircea_popescu: need a berlusconi or something to show them how it'd sone
decimation: asciilifeform: wow they even placed your shield? neat
decimation: re: italians < especially southern italians. northern ones tend to be a bit more germanic
decimation: re: asciilifeform on a boat < wash dc is famous for having a 'marina' on the potomac where one can live for the price of a boat and a few $k per year
decimation: re: full auto < yeah us mil agrees, the ar-15 (m16) isn't made with full auto anymore, only 3-round burst. even this is almost never used. There is a place for full auto, and it is on a machine gun that is heavy enough to fire at full auto without completely losing accuracy
mircea_popescu: * \return a ::STACK containing the certs.
mircea_popescu: * \param file the file containing one or more certs.
mircea_popescu: * much to do with CAs, either, since it will load any old cert.
mircea_popescu: * for a stack of CAs is to send it to the client). Actually, it doesn't have
trinque: that module loading thing is like they almost knew the thing should be broken into small pieces, but not quite
decimation: without recompiling the openssl library
decimation: so what he's saying is that they put the libdl stuff in there so that you could load a binary driver for custom hardware
decimation: http://www.mail-archive.com/openssl-dev@openssl.org/msg05003.html < "Support for hardware acceleration is on its way that will use DSOs, this is so that the library and applications can have acceleration support but still run on platforms that don't have the acceleration drivers. Eg. you could even build applications that *can* support hardware acceleration using platforms without the hardware/drivers."
mircea_popescu: 8 the whole world has been trusting their secure communications to this impenetrable morass that calls itself the "OpenSSL" project. I bet that the doctors that work on that shitshow can not prescribe anything useful either!"
mircea_popescu: "After messing around with this code for about a month I decided to write this up for the tubes in the hope that I can save some souls. I have come to the conclusion that OpenSSL is equivalent to monkeys throwing feces at the wall. It is, bar none, the worst library I have ever worked with. I can not believe that the internet is running on such a ridiculous complex and gratuitously stupid piece of code. Since circa 199
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data. << i would like to hear the seasoned lispers take on this
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data.
decimation: which themselves are compiled .so files
decimation: ben_vulpes: usually libdl is used to load a binary library *after* the program has launched
mircea_popescu: <jurov> in short, we're standing on the shoulders of monkeys << quite.
jurov: in short, we're standing on the shoulders of monkeys
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 19:29:16; mircea_popescu: the only solution is to pull in the relevant code and encase it in acrylate.
jurov: i scrolled into the middle, saw fotnote number 1216 O.o
davout: chetty: looked at the page count, felt sleepy
Adlai: they're just recycling http://blog.cryptocrumb.com/2015/03/fbi-silk-road-auction-of-march-2015.html although ferrin doesn't mention Steve Youngblood
cazalla: it's not that i mind that they mentioned other people part of a possible syndicate with silvey (which i didn't include in article as no proof of this anyway) but least they could do is admit that yeah, we followed it back from the avatar after having read about it on qntra
mircea_popescu: cazalla and do they link to qntra or ?
davout: http://imgur.com/J5U3l1j <<< god knows what these little girls will sell for bitcoin once they turn 16
cazalla: quote from a coindesk article.. who is missing from the list of 5 twitter accounts? http://dpaste.com/0NSJG4T.txt
mircea_popescu: how do you think the extant ones are made ?
Adlai: better yet, run one of those bitcoin shit-ship-shops... just don't let corporate know you're doing materials r&d for the startup on the company clock
mircea_popescu: the turdime!
cazalla: easier to pretend to go on break with others who actually are on break (dependent on type of job of course)
trinque: that's the one
cazalla: trinque, not of the class who waits until arriving home to do such things?
mircea_popescu: wow! it actually happened that ppl complained about jurov's email thing and it actually was the case it was broken
cazalla: mircea_popescu, despite not allowing her in the house, i am quite sensitive about my Lucy, so please don't be saying she had such a look :(
Adlai: twist your torso, now put all your upper body weight right on the twist!
cazalla: ya, that's why i don't understand how people can have their dogs or other animals inside the house
Adlai: that is wrong on so many levels, except the dog's
cazalla: the cost of wiping your ass adds up
nubbins`: she seemed shocked to learn that she doesn't have the authority to stop you? o.O
trinque: heh, I was buying bulk tp at walmart recently and the door troll stopped me and tried to block my exit
Adlai: sure, the bit about authority was more >> 'wtf ever heard of such nonsense.'
cazalla: i don't recall ever feeling it was a position of authority, more reminded of the fact i was nervous but at same time excited to get pocket money
Adlai: * theater is accepted as 'security'
Adlai: cazalla: most tlv venues ranging from cafes to clubs, movie theaters to supermarkets - have 'somebody' at the door, generally with a pulse or an expression (rarely more than one), and this the
cazalla: Adlai, ah i never saw it as such, i was only placed at the door because i got the job as a result of nepotism and they had to put me somewhere hence first evar security guy for that shop lol
mircea_popescu: really, it's not about the position, it's about the scumbag. this is how you know vulgar folk in all times of places, that they're made of base metal : if put in charge they foul things up.
Adlai: there's something intoxicating about a position of power, even if it doesn't really mean anything
mircea_popescu: well... i also told the derpy organisers of some local "swinger's club" to get bent after they wanted the chick to check her clutch.
Adlai: where was this? there are probably better targets for shoplifters who need to make a living
davout: cazalla: it's all theatre
cazalla: Adlai: you've never had security at an event ask to open a bag/compartment, only to barely glance what was inside once open? <<< my first evar job was bag checker/door security at a retail store, i would ask to look in bag, they would open, i would nod and they'd walk out.. they might've easily walked in, filled up the bag and walked out with the goods because i sure as fuck didn't know
mircea_popescu: see, this is exactly adeuqate : these fuckwits are the exact prototype of the sterile "intellectual". they wish to matter, and they wish this mattering to happen through administrative measures.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't work in the low-density U.S., we'll try to compel people to live in higher density housing.
mircea_popescu: Second, the programs can only address needs defined by the intellectual elite. We won't provide cheaper cars; we'll force people to use mass transit. One volunteer aid group once did a study of Third World needs, concluded that one of the most pressing needs in Third World countries was transportation, then excluded automobiles from consideration because they felt that automobiles had a negative effect. When mass trans
mircea_popescu: First, the money has to be taken by force from the wealthy. Voluntary contributions don't count. Taxation at a level that the wealthy will consent to doesn't count. Any approach that recognizes the wealthy as having rights is unsatisfactory. Even worse is any recognition of philanthropy and the idea that some of the wealthy have social consciences.
mircea_popescu: Most of these folks simultaneously demand government programs to alleviate poverty and hunger, mass transit so the poor can get to where the good jobs are, and international aid to the Third World. In short they want structured, paternalistic programs that address needs defined by the intellectual elite. They are bitterly opposed to innovations that merely give the masses more goods, food, or money and leave the decisi
Adlai is reminded of #b-w the other day starting around https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2015-03-10/?msg=33809596&page=6
davout: Adlai: for such a thing to make sense it has to give the ability to short gavincoin into the dirt, nothing else
asciilifeform: nubbins`: but very different from when you pay 500 usd per individual change in the layout.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 21:14:18; danielpbarron: i could specify that it doesn't count as a fork if the resulting coin is still accepted by MPEx :p
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050687 < a fork by any other name... what's so hard about referencing blocksize in the contract?
asciilifeform: ^ left hand: them. right hand: me.
nubbins`: ...and fwiw there was a tooling charge, just not presented as such :P
nubbins`: and even printer ink, i'm buying in bulk these days
nubbins`: i was gonna offer to purchase the empty board for posterity, but i doubt that's on the table anymore 8)
asciilifeform: will say later if these even work.
asciilifeform: for their weight in gold.
nubbins`: that's the ultimate bespoke, hey?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have nothing with which to compare the price. nobody else on the planet does qty.1 smt assembly+board with no tooling charge
asciilifeform: one of the bags contains an empty board (souvenir?) - order consisted of two assembled standard rng
asciilifeform: even a free sample board in there.
assbot: Regia Anglorum - The Fyrd (Army) in Anglo-Saxon England - Part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9XjQK )
asciilifeform: 80% << obligatory >> 'We use the term "thieves" if the number of men does not exceed seven, "band of marauders" [or "war-band"] for a number between seven and thirty-five. Anything beyond this is an "army".'
davout: because the contract also has to have an expiration, in case the hardfork never actually happens
davout: either way, it can't really work now, there can't really be a contract that defines what a gavincoin is before the guy actually commits some code
davout: ah, well to take up the offer you got clarification about amirite
trinque: I have no trouble smiling and being friendly with some govt goon if it gets me on my plane quicker, or out of the airport quicker
Adlai wasn't sure what to expect, but in his mind, it involved at least being led away from the public areas... no such privilege, just awkwards blocking the line
trinque: they're just bored kids, with as much focused malice as a bored kid can muster
Adlai: army tactic: let 99% pass unmolested, anally inspect the random 1%. (and call in female sergeant for the other inspection)
trinque: though I may be white and combed-hair enough to not be bothered often
trinque: generally smiling at the fucks and making pleasantries is enough to get through quickly
Adlai: it's proof that you don't care about 'unlocking' the device
Adlai: for, ahem, contraband of the airborn pollen variety.
Adlai: (he was totally zoned out until i pulled him back to reality, impatient to get IN the plane)
davout: good thing i'm only carrying my friends laptop i don't have the credentials to
Adlai: asciilifeform: if that's the case, the guy failed afaict, seemed to be waiting for graphical login and was shocked to discover that all had taken place in text
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 18:58:33; asciilifeform: Adlai: i still don't get this notion where t3rr0s1stz -somehow must- replace -all- of the cells in the battery with plastique, instead of only half
asciilifeform: davout: if it has any purpose whatsoever, it is a training run for shoulder-surfing the pw in case they decide to confiscate the machine
Adlai: after i repeated "linux" a bunch of times, ran xterm and opened random man pages, eventually the guy got overwhelmed/embarassed and just waved me on
davout: Adlai: they seriously made you login to your comp? that's pretty retarded
asciilifeform: rather than furnished
Adlai: davout: my cdg layover mia→tlv was packed with equal parts frenchman and jew... confusion over whether to clap was palpable.
asciilifeform: davout: i suspect that they're absolutely standard wherever inhabited by ordinary folks, rather than business travellers or mircea_popescu with $maxint
davout: mircea_popescu: furnished flats are the exception in france too
mike_c: then you can undercut mp :) quick, make an exchange!
mike_c: i can do the math for you if it's helpful
mircea_popescu: or in other words, they make 250 gsc for no risk, if they believe this theory whereby "people" will "update" to gavincoin on gavin's say so.
mircea_popescu: basically the usg is about 15 and has grown up on a gated community. in connecticut.
mircea_popescu: god forbid we think less of her unless she doesn't do the exact things that make one think less of her.
mircea_popescu: which is the ridiculousness of it all. teenaged priss kinda likes a boy, does not find it within her purview to go on knees moan for cock. oh no, must pretend this that and the other.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050233 << funny thing being, that if they actually want a copy they can just ask neh ?
mircea_popescu: "give us your tired, your hungry" omits the whole picture : sure a country of immigrants is a grand way to build yourself up. but, necesarily, it's a great way to fall over like a deflated donut within a century.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the problem with places that used to be great but lacked the social structure to support it is they degenerate essentially the same way.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, romania was in europe throughout, it was going to push industrialization through regardless.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050215 << this is a complicated question. generally, the damage was done early on by a (perhaps understandably) revancharde russia, and late on, by a completely local brewed idiot.
mircea_popescu: make the italian a cook and forget it.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, there could scarcely be imagined a more degenerate people.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050212 << i'm on the record saying that italians are really the scourge of europe, gypsyes muchly preferable.
asciilifeform: which is the one in 'stand on zanzibar' and of the 'mouse city' overpopulation experiment
asciilifeform: it solves an actual problem, that some folks perceive themselves as having
asciilifeform: the machine, as i understand, is for reasonably quick, inexpensive, and unobtrusive jurisdiction-switching
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't want to live in a bob sleigh or inside your go-kart either. it's not that dissimilar.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, jail is BY FAR more comfortable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for this and other reasons decided that 'too orbital' for budget constraint.
mircea_popescu: yes. well, before you expend any serious money / other resources on this, do that.
asciilifeform is not an expert or veteran of the art. but also is not esp. susceptible to motion sickness
asciilifeform: on the ship you get the thing americans pay $maxint for - maximize distance from nearest human on command - for $0.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I don't redditard professionally, I used PRAW + some python to grab the info and then shoved it into Excel of all things
mircea_popescu: i've been on ships. they suck.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the what's his name disease
asciilifeform: i trained the pet, inadvertantly, by threatening, for some years, to move us into a ship
mircea_popescu: hey, i covered my ass with that virtually in there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> which is what i call folks who don't need any physical plant << which is why i said i was a theoretical physicist :)
asciilifeform: a mathematician
asciilifeform: a good friend of mine is 'theoretical'
asciilifeform: trinque: i used to be 'theoretical'