cazalla: you're up against an immense wave of shit made in china, ipads, tv, public education the constant reinforce that should you buck the status quo, you're a bad parent
cazalla: anyway, it's difficult to raise a kid right these days
nubbins`: recently been making lots of korean dishes that i haven't been able to eat since i left there in 2007
cazalla: not simply because missus is useless for such tasks, but i enjoy cooking and the cleaning provides me with an illusion of control
cazalla: nubbins`, pfft, i do all the cooking and cleaning fwiw
cazalla: nubbins`, i read to him every day and have done so pretty much since he was born (few days missed here and there)
cazalla: gabriel_laddel, beatrix potter, mr men, other assorted books we got as gifts
cazalla: the familiarity of my youth is long gone, this country is run amok full of chinks and muslims
cazalla: in the world where nothing changes, i don't grow old and die i guess
nubbins`: gabriel_laddel did you see the picture of the kids he rounded up for the "political party"?
gabriel_laddel: e plug on that thing three months later, at the end of which they.had.not done.anything. I'm not sure you exactly grok me, it's not that they hadn't round up the town's minorities and set them on fire. It's that they couldn't get together to make some stencils which someone (hopefully, someone else) was perhaps sometime (2015 ?) going to use for some purpose. Somewhere. Whatever."
gabriel_laddel: "The one thing which Timisoara does consistently and well is failure. In 2007 I attempted to organise an art exhibit, on the terms that I was going to pay, in cash, for everything involved. They didn't manage to do it. Last year, I attempted to support a nascent local party, by paying for a quarter's rent and other expenses (a quarter ton of alcohol, mostly) for a bunch of self-styled neonazi local kids. I pulled th
nubbins`: incidentally, the original white inhabitants of this land mass on which i currently am living totally wiped out an entire race of people who had lived here prior
nubbins`: because it lets you ignore yourself as the cause of all your problems?
nubbins`: the racist is generally an intellectual dullard
gabriel_laddel: all these "right wing" "conservitive" organizations or whatever are pathetic. I was looking into e.g., the golden dawn earlier tonight...
cazalla: i don't mind imperialism but it fucked up by not wiping out the abos
cazalla: yeah my missus constantly reminds me that i am the most racist first generation australian she has met
nubbins`: not making the call on that
nubbins`: since, cough, every white person in australia is either an immigrant or a recent descendent thereof
nubbins`: anyway it's sort of silly to pretend that immigration to australia is the problem
gabriel_laddel: In other news, some interesting sounds
cazalla: lefty whitey australian so quick to demand rights for the new australia muslims for some reason
cazalla: still, i can't help but feel affection for a homogeneous society like japan.. fucking mudslimes and other ethnics have destroyed australia within a generation
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cazalla: at that point, ya sorta realise ok they really are fucking crazy cause i sure as fuck am not shilling for jidf from the mancave
gabriel_laddel: others: "mooooo"
gabriel_laddel: What I find so lulzy about the whole situation is that if you take the supposed Zionist lit and the /pol/ people 100% seriously it basically reduces to "jews think that others are cattle"
cazalla: but 23andme also said i have west african negro in me, so sorta cancels the jew out anyway
cazalla: but then 23andme suggests i have some jew in me
gabriel_laddel: "until 23andme suggested i was a traitor to the cause"
cazalla: and at the time (this is prior to #b-a) i thought i could see such things too
cazalla: haha yeah, /pol/ got me mixed up with that shit until 23andme suggested i was a traitor to the cuase (if 23andme is to be believed)
gabriel_laddel: FUCK THEY'RE EVERYWHERE
gabriel_laddel: Seriously, the jew thing...
cazalla: but i will say.. these red pill dickheads on reddit that mourn for a lack of virginal wife to have a family with aka http://i.imgur.com/zEEL7S4.jpg i've had the frigid virginal wife and the whore girlfriend who sucked any dick within arms reach and i will swear black and blue that the whore is far more satisfying despite the 24/7 drama
gabriel_laddel: "I have a new favorite douchebag profile pic: Enthralling My Fucking Audience. This one is phenomenal; you’ve probably seen it somewhere amongst your fucking friends. It’s where a Very Important Dbag (VIDb) is captivating above-mentioned audience solely through the power of his personal presence. Jesus Christ, the fucking hubris. The fucking insane, idiotic hubris. Examples culled from an eleven-second scrub of
gabriel_laddel: regarding this chainalysis.com thing (from the bitcoin talk link above)
cazalla: and i can't take the kid.. needs a mum as much as he does a father.. i don't go for that single parent shit
gabriel_laddel: Note that I dont necessarily endorse MP's viewpoint but it is rather well developed.
gabriel_laddel: ;; google site: trilema.com "you're taking the kids"
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cazalla: the big mistake i made was getting a woman pregnant prior to living with her.. things were all fine and dandy while i had my own place and could fuck her and send her home after the fact
nubbins`: when living alone, i ended up spending most of my time at other's houses
cazalla: i just prefer the autism sanctuary of living by onesself
gabriel_laddel: cazalla: "you guys criticise the mancave but seriously, when the missus" << !s beat her
cazalla: garage is not that bad tbh, reminds me of when i had my own place by the beach, no woman, no kids
cazalla: and i am stuck using fucking electrum since then because for some reason, since bitcoin-qt 0.10.0 came out, my old 0.8.3, 0.8.6 throws errors and i can't fully sync and even lame attempt to try 0.10.0 falls flat.. i think maybe memory is fucked though unrelated, memtest86 throws a bunch of errors
nubbins`: cazalla you are not sleeping in the garage
cazalla: felt a little bad about that as i was trying to talk BingoBoingo into a bet over the bali nine executions to come on account i think they'll go free
cazalla: you guys criticise the mancave but seriously, when the missus and the kid push you out of the masterbedroom due to lack of sleep and then push you out the kids room which was turned into makeshift computer room but needs it back because apparently a pig pen isn't big enough for him now, you might appreciate the man cave aka cold ass garage
kakobrekla: i think i still have 4 of them posters
nubbins`: if you want one of the last edition, TECSHARE probably is dying to get rid of his
cazalla: nubbins`, u evar gonna make posters again? i saw the last edition was fetching a decent price on bitcointalk
cazalla: bitnodes pop up with similar shit pinging the network
assbot: Is someone monitoring large parts of the network? (evidence+firwall rules) ... ( http://bit.ly/1GziFGf )
cazalla: c) such whales talking about the joys of flipping bitcents for gift cards
cazalla: a) can't get their version of !up to speak
cazalla: so i goes on the whaleclub teamspeak on account i'm drunk..
mircea_popescu: wait those aren't srs either ?!
fluffypony: about as serious as the NO GO ZONES in Paris
mircea_popescu: clearly the "sanctions against russia" are working.
mats: " Strategists at Deutsche Bank expect the euro to fall to the $0.90 mark against the dollar by the end of 2016 and keep falling over the next 12 months to end 2017 at $0.85."
asciilifeform: meanwhile fiat world put 120megabux to organize liquishit pumped from one cistern to another 10,000 times.
mircea_popescu: on the positive side however : this is the closest you can get to china commercially without getting close to them in a political sense.
mircea_popescu: if china (and to some degree russia an' italy) stop propping them, argentina goes to meet cuba on its way to chad.
asciilifeform: i thought bullets were the one thing
mircea_popescu: they don't even make bullets.
mircea_popescu: they don't have a drydock. or a car factory. or a truck factory. or a plane factory.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: regarding "code as data" common lisp has the var *read-eval* you can bind to nil if you're processing code as data.
mircea_popescu: they used to export carne vacuna, but then failed to meet their quotas and lost the contracts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand. argentina is trying to support a romania-level living standard on the basis of... soy exports.
asciilifeform wonders if there is a single p&p robot or reflow line in all of .ar
mircea_popescu: Fartse - The World's Premiere Gravity Well Degravitizer.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: If people were to take issue with this perhaps I'm missing information (and thus need to learn xyz). I'm going to do as I please either way, but prefer to be accurate.
asciilifeform: there is actually a children's book with illustrations, yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, is the article of faith that jesus is coming on a great atomic dirigible from the sky to take us to the other planet and smite the unbelievers ?
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine so. and if they did, what of it.
gabriel_laddel: Does anyone take issue with me describing the lordship as "the peerage" and #-assets as "earth's premiere commercial forum"?
mircea_popescu: mostly because much fewer people did the former
mircea_popescu: he was actually, in comparative terms, more of a noted expert in the field of safe cracking than in the field of physics
mircea_popescu: the *actual* kind, i mean
asciilifeform: aside from 'the spartan speaks with his sword'
mircea_popescu: hegel was the same way, in the cluj universitarian library. supposedly the european expert in hegel resided there.
asciilifeform: compulsively pulled on one, they all came out
asciilifeform: the very same. can go to uni library, and they're stuck together. like the volumes of lenin (true story. i unstuck'em)
mircea_popescu: "the thick book nobody ever borrows", generally.
mircea_popescu: they're, contrary to what the "consumers have come to expect" like to pretend, very easy to find
asciilifeform: mccarthy also understood the unfolding disaster
asciilifeform: there we go
mircea_popescu: i generally manage to identify the actual experts in fields.
mircea_popescu: so he did. i recall reading it and not understanding what he meant at the time
mircea_popescu: in the manner people write fucking books. or at least did, before the great usian likbez pogrom
mircea_popescu: this is no argument in this discussion, tho. historically there has been great profit in all sorts of dumb shit.
decimation: re: ~must code~ : historically there has been great profit in it, working or no
mircea_popescu: the bridge and engineering are co-generated
mircea_popescu: there were no bridges in "dark age"
mircea_popescu: the idea that you ~must~ code, whether it works or not, no matter what, is scandalous.
mircea_popescu: this is like "originbally, the bridge standing at all was impressive"
asciilifeform: because originally the thing working at all - was impressive.
asciilifeform: it is important to understand why apparently-intelligent folks ate up the crap
asciilifeform: try to appreciate the difficulty, historically, of getting the bloody things to work at all.
decimation: every hardware vendor succumbs to the temptation to pwn its audience
decimation: mircea_popescu: just like (nearly?) everyone who opens a bitcoin exchange succumbs to the temptation to run 'fractional'
mircea_popescu: the casual perusal of openssl that earlier article triggered has crystallized this point in my head.
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's many fields outside of perhaps psychology where "practitioners" have for so long acted with such intense disregard for posterity.
mircea_popescu: anyway, just to add : the people who have come before us have embedded into the very history of computing such burning, enraged contempt for us, that really damnatio is too good a fate.
asciilifeform: decimation: so long as it keeps up with blocks, theoretically
asciilifeform: except that meanwhile i'm relying on, apparently, the profoundly retarded, to assemble b04rdz
mircea_popescu: then this discussion will suffice :D
decimation: I can see why you would want to ensure the security of your drive, but that's a seperate matter
decimation: so why bother
mircea_popescu: all this anti-tero stuff helping the real teros.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trivial given that fr meade did all the heavy lifting and helpfully 'published' result
decimation: eh? why bother?
mircea_popescu: right. in which line : since all hdds come reflashable anyway, how hard would it be to rape a ssd like we're raping the pogo, i wonder ?
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 17:08:55; asciilifeform: (easiest solution: forget file system in the 1st place, just use raw block device. and then you don't even need msdos for anything.)
mircea_popescu: make, perhaps, the storage plan a tree
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decimation: http://www.spaceweatherradio.com/ < listen to live meteor 'pings' (distant transmitter made audible via meteor trails)
asciilifeform: well yes, that was the ancient thread
asciilifeform: normally when storage is scarce (or data set is huge) one cannot afford the waste of 'file system' that is not the same as the organization for the set
asciilifeform: i (and $maxint other people) did it on 'commodore 64' floppy disks
decimation: ^ same reason you can bounce radio waves off of metor trails through the upper atmosphere
decimation: aye, breakdown voltage greatly reduced once there is plasma
asciilifeform: good illustration for student is the toy 'jacob's ladder'
mircea_popescu: since we're doing rare shit : chick taking it in the ass http://40.media.tumblr.com/3a485bfec08126b605d4b84253043305/tumblr_n8mvzyCxQC1td0p2ho1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'danger, 1,000,000 ohms!' << i forget, what's the resistence of 1mm of air ? like 1mn was it ?
ben_vulpes: righto, let's stroll through the cemetary
ben_vulpes: then i will as well
ben_vulpes: i really have no interest in optimized for min storage or max whatever the fuck
asciilifeform: (rather than db as used in your traditional $business)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: for some reason i thought you were still speaking re: the blockchain!
ben_vulpes: <decimation> ben_vulpes: it strikes me that a relational db is a bit 'heavy' for storing the blockchain tree << i want to say "select * from outputs where output.spent_transaction is null;"
asciilifeform: for folks who liked the 'twirl/twinkle' thread
trinque: or more importantly, whether you know those questions exhaustively in advance
decimation: ben_vulpes: it strikes me that a relational db is a bit 'heavy' for storing the blockchain tree
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: should i be concerned with these pure performance issues?
asciilifeform: and if ssd, will get impedance mismatches during write if your db isn't tuned to match the cache
decimation: they are perfectly fine if you really just want to store gobs of unstructured shit
asciilifeform: in principle any existing db gizmo that can be coaxed into using a single file for the store, is quite ready to be planted down on raw disk
trinque: decimation: as those monstrosities "improve" they tend towards what rdbms has done forever
trinque: nosql is the same hipsterism that gets us nodejs
ben_vulpes: particularly then.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but as it happens - it's another mega-c-turd
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: your objections to things suffer from the "boy who cried wolf" problem
trinque: and it doesn't slow down your queries, as the big shit is stored elsewhere of course and made reference to
trinque: say you want to put your big-ass mkv movies in postgres along with their metadata
trinque: I think (but am less familiar with) reiserfs has the same sort of metadata querying
ben_vulpes: fuckuppy.jpg << asciilifeform ah i've found your problem they put the resistors on backwards on one of the boards
assbot: Secret Service agents disrupted bomb investigation at White House - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1DdiaEj )
asciilifeform: 'Two Secret Service agents suspected of being under the influence while striking a White House security barricade drove through an active bomb investigation and directly beside the suspicious package, according to current and former government officials familiar with the incident.'
asciilifeform: the Cs cannot be measured accurately in-circuit
asciilifeform: and theirs... from mars ?
mircea_popescu: these look artisan handcarved
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: placing is usually fairly exact, but they tend to float during reflow a bit
decimation: maybe they were angry that some bum shot some cops in ferguson
assbot: Metro Transit Police fatally shoot man in Potomac Avenue station’s tunnel - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1E9VwI6 )
decimation: apparently the police shot some bum the wash dc subway http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/shooting-in-metro-system-dc-police-say/2015/03/12/8f3abf6e-c921-11e4-b2a1-bed1aaea2816_story.html
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 03:08:17; ben_vulpes: the only reasonable conclusion is that someone at the nsa is gaslighting alf
decimation: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform need only drive a few hours south to see the perfect stake-pine, the loblolly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_taeda
decimation: I think the 'waldo' device is a great idea for building small prototypes
asciilifeform: on the flip side, all the folks who laughed at me for slowly grunting to build own p&p fab, can begin to consider stopping laughing now...
decimation was hoping to send them some analog designs, was waiting to see what happened to ascii after he entered the chumpatron
NewLiberty: He was doing a rdbs project with open API for folks that want cloud nodes but didn't want to run them.
asciilifeform: funnily, if it were a digital device (e.g., the mainboard) it'd have probably worked
asciilifeform: wondered what was the catch - turns out, this.
asciilifeform: no one can offer this particular good for the advertised price.
mircea_popescu makes mental note : if alf spends time anticipating a nice itam and then doesn't get it, alf gets very pissy!
ben_vulpes: you're not siemens, you don't swing 500m in legal fees every quarter, you don't get to go over the bills with a fine toothed comb etc
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if you're spending 75 dollars, you didn't need them at all sheesh
asciilifeform: the deadline.' -- me
asciilifeform: And was going to order another, much larger, device made at your shop,
asciilifeform: And now I don't have them.
asciilifeform: 'I will ship them back, but I needed working sample units -this week-.
decimation: asciilifeform: well at least they replied promptly
NewLiberty: ben_vulpes: "Gweedo" did quite a bit of RDBM crunching of the block chain for a project of his, he had many failures and learned much
asciilifeform: on to prevent any future issues. If you are able to provide us a test procedure, we will be happy to use that to verify the boards before sending them back to you.'
asciilifeform: I will have our reels of 470 Ohm resistors verified first thing in the morning. I'd like to send you a return label in the morning to send the boards back, so that we can review the work on the boards and verify and replace any parts which are not testing at their required values. Additionally, this step would help us to determine what has gone wrong in the assembly and why your components are not operating within specificati
asciilifeform: 'That is very strange indeed. All of the house parts we currently carry are supplied by Digikey and Mouser, and are name-brand parts. At this moment, we only stock and only order parts from US vendors who are authorized vendors for the components we purchase. (This is why our BoM tool will often list parts as unavailable, even if they can be found at non-US or non-authorized dealers.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either i missed it or forgot it!
mircea_popescu: and as they become obsolete in the future, ppl not wanting to upgrade their bitcoin archives will provide hdds with one of those ada or lisp-esque eternal lives.
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no doubt this will be the largest usecase for harddrives going forward
ben_vulpes: the storage on disk is a thing of import, no doubt.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ibidem actually means "in the same place". if you mean idem (ie, the same) say idem!
ben_vulpes: (project is relational modeling of blockchain, for the curious)
decimation: so you gotta buy a stack of these
decimation: actually I think the new 'chip n pin' implementation for credit cards in the us is rf-id based
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what l33t deelz did you find? the best i'm offered is ~1.3k rt
mircea_popescu: or do these new passprots come with a rail contact ?
asciilifeform: on the thing itself
thestringpuller: decimation: i thought all passports had RFID chips in them
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is at least one part where all four instances differ by a factor of ~2 from the marked value.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: again, there is no detectable trace of a mistake in their procedure or in the physical board
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no you see, the lizard shitgnomes got to it
ben_vulpes: but my *other* documents.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 02:41:13; decimation: which implies their turdware manged your design I suspec
ben_vulpes: i have the *passport*
ben_vulpes: that part was unnecessary, and risks putting one in the 'extra scrutiny' bin as i see it.
asciilifeform: decimation: aha lol sure. these are going in my butterfly collection.
decimation: might as well turn the chumpatron wheel
decimation: asciilifeform: it appears you can RMA the thing
asciilifeform also chumped, out of 75 bux. did not really expect the thing to work
decimation: noisy chump falls into the noisy usg chumpatron, news at 11
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there is a reason why i am building own conveyor
cazalla: "I will need the support of everyone while inside, and I would appreciate it so much. Even $10 would go along way. There are a few days to send me money."
cazalla: poor shrem, 2 years ago paraded around as the bitcoin millionaire kid, but today relegated to begging for $10 so as not to eat the prison food http://charlieshrem.com/so-im-going-to-prison/
asciilifeform: and for all i know the rest of the board also has no correspondence whatsoever to marked values
decimation: so you suspect that they bought shitass chinese parts?
ben_vulpes: during my days in the wafer biz the shop for whom i slaved had a high-res testing machine that could test arbitrary board designs
asciilifeform: the fucker is marked 470.
decimation: yeah, failing to insert proper part in the tube is electronics manufacturing 101 error
asciilifeform: fella even reserve-engineered the controle console, wrote own proggy, would have thrown in the source
asciilifeform: decimation: interestingly, in the old days, they were brass, and shaped in such a way that -did- test
ben_vulpes: the tooling investment to make this feasible for every board sent through a given shop is non trivial though, ibid for customer education.
decimation: I'm surprised the pick n place doesn't auto test passives actually
asciilifeform: they do not need to know what it does!
asciilifeform: testing that they are actually attached - harder, but also doable
asciilifeform: testing that parts have their marked values - also trivial
decimation: testing boards is a whole other layer of complexity