asciilifeform: and at the risk of repeating myself, i'll say why it must boot and run from eeprom
asciilifeform: (my original vision for the 'pogo' experiment wasn't simply to have a cheapo linux box that runs bitcoind, but to have a box where there are only a few MB of weight -total- -- thus making audit into something like a realistic possibility)
asciilifeform: presently the only package of -source- i've succeeded in building into a kernel that can be used on pogo - was netbsd.
BingoBoingo: In my limited understanding of these matters.
davout: i thought is was dropped altogether a while ago
davout: danielpbarron: the ban on crypto export is still a thing?
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 17:39:08; danielpbarron: (NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. Because of this, take care NOT to get the distribution from an FTP server in the US if you are outside of Canada and the US.)
assbot: Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Hacking the Pogoplug v4 (Series 4 and Mobile) with Linux (Debian or Arch) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Alx70K )
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 16:27:54; ben_vulpes: "yes it's entirely a good idea to lock everyone from ages 8-18 up with each other and nobody else, that won't promptly lead to all sorts of pathologies."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051899 << nothing wrong with them spending a good chunk of the day like that, tho.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 14:26:18; jurov: they failed to make _anything_ secure. butbut "blockchain technology!!!1"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051872 << well... maybe it solves the problem for them so that they have to do no work and can just cash the checks for it magically working.
mircea_popescu: more important to humiliate them, in the limited sense of "here's what i am, and what i do, which you are not and do not because you currently suck. here's how you de-suck"
cazalla: or at least providing an opportunity for him to intereact with things that my own parents couldn't afford or bother with in regards to me
mircea_popescu: this is substantially different from the original quote tho.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051840 << who the fuck thought that ?!
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:39:35; cazalla: so what is the opinion of the erudites here regaring what polgar did with his daughters? that has sorta been my goal with my son, find one thing for him and push him hard in that direction
mircea_popescu: i saw romanian idiots stuck on the same thing.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:39:12; gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: the language doesn't help. For example, a chinese mathematics undergrad from Peking U. I know thought that using a computer algebra system to do mathematics was "cheating". Person in question had no notion of "playing with mathematics". This is more of a cultural thing, but much of human thought is captured in language.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051816 << while much of human thought is in fact captured in language (and i'm too lazy to hunt for the "language is really a shared preprocessor to crutch the supid" threads), nevertheless that is strictly bad schooling. it has nothing to do with the kid, or his language, it'll wash out of him within a coupla years.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:35:44; gabriel_laddel: my point is that chinese as is must go away if they want to work with computers
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051809 << monolinguism is a purely ridiculous intellectual strategy. there's nothing wrong with speaking italian to women and german to horses, charles did it.
mircea_popescu: (retroactively, the spring of same year)
mircea_popescu: known since before isabella expelled the jews from spain in 1492, causing them to invent america.
mircea_popescu: the italian (which is, by the way, the paradigm of the failed state, and whose history the us is quite bound to repeat) term is sprezzatura
trinque: mircea_popescu: hm that is precisely the American idea of "made it"
mircea_popescu: original linked from there.
assbot: The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Alrgsw )
mircea_popescu: NewLiberty you know that ballas bit on the daytrader ?
NewLiberty: What the whaleclub do not realize is that whales are not daytraders, not even mini-whales.
mircea_popescu: well, it was instructive for me, and considering how little shit costs these days, i call it cheap enough.
mircea_popescu: works better if you know latin in the first place, and i don't really know that many english speakers that do.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:21:17; nubbins`: gabriel_laddel did you see the picture of the kids he rounded up for the "political party"?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051752 << importantly, i did not round them up. that was the extand "party"
mircea_popescu: or i guess that harry potter fanfic writer guy w/e his name was is a better example of the principle, alf dictis.
mircea_popescu: obviously a solution that encourages them to do shit on their own is even better, but generally "solutioners" are do-ocracists in the modlbug sense : they're chiefly tryting to build themselves a "4chan is not your army" army.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:18:07; nubbins`: because it lets you ignore yourself as the cause of all your problems?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051735 << no. because it offers a clear avenue of action. this is important. sane people realise shit's broken and want to do something to fix it. RIGHTNOW. any solution that provides them something to do will beat out of the field any solution that does not.
davout: inadvertenly teaching them how to tell good from bad product apart
NewLiberty: yes, though they tended to call everything "narcotics"
trinque: NewLiberty: great way to make sure kids are aware that there are drugs
NewLiberty: The misinformation from d.a.r.e. probably led to more usage overall
asciilifeform: to make sure everyone can recognize the correct dope when his time comes, i suppose
asciilifeform: there was actually a policeman guest lecturer, with briefcase of dope
asciilifeform: ^ a true mega-l0l. this was a required 'course' in the school i went to
asciilifeform: where are the mini-elephants ?
mircea_popescu: NewLiberty you know i'm half tempted to send some girls to talk at them in that breathy voice .
NewLiberty: asciilifeform: Whaleclub is a bunch of non-whales trying to be mini whales by 24hour chatting their trades.
mircea_popescu: lol "bitcoin university". best thing that ever happened to any diploma mill : when the webmaster stumbled on tardstalk/redditards den and added "bitcoin" to the name
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check out the html declaration :D
cazalla: davout, hah i know that, but anything i say here while drunk is really just recurring garbage from the last time i was drinking and chatting
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051721 << any planet of hats is doomed to failure. whatever the hat may be, hedonism no exception.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:15:53; gabriel_laddel: the political position of "they're cattle, we're not" is totally A OK.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051719 << that it may be, but you don't seriously intend to tell me the criteria actually is "because we got here yesterday rather than today, and the internationall cattle demarcation line happened this morning"
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:10:52; cazalla: still, i can't help but feel affection for a homogeneous society like japan.. fucking mudslimes and other ethnics have destroyed australia within a generation
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051698 << romania is very ethnically homogenous, and they think the same about the gypsyes. it's patently untrue, but then again they're not thinking it because it'd be true.
mircea_popescu: what really burns them is the football team issue. they don't wish to not be cattle per se. they're just pissed that they were "come to expect" that THEY were the chosen people on account of, why the fuck not eh. and whenever it doesn't work as they "came to expect", it is clearly the case that really it works, but for someone else, so... whoddunit ?!?! (not them!)
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 13:08:35; gabriel_laddel: What I find so lulzy about the whole situation is that if you take the supposed Zionist lit and the /pol/ people 100% seriously it basically reduces to "jews think that others are cattle"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051689 << amusingly enough, they ~are~.
mod6: ben_vulpes: here's v0091 of the patching script: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000066.html
mircea_popescu: and re latest trilema article : someone check the html of a page, whadda ya think ?
mircea_popescu: now THAT is a story of "sixteen tons and what do you get". you get to be four foot tall and with adaptive modifications of the spine.
mircea_popescu: carusu is the sicilian word for boy. it derives off latin carens (missing) as in, inexperienced.
mircea_popescu: t know, as aptly butch has observed : their names don't mean anything.
saifedean: this weekend, for instance, people have to decide whether they want to ski, swim, or do both... i tell you lebanon is stressful
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the one.
asciilifeform: or some other
asciilifeform: the opera guy ?
saifedean: hey mp, to get back to your question about lebanon, here's what's interesting about it, beyond the hard money and best food in the world and great wine and beautiful people... less than an hour drive between beautiful sandy Mediterranean beaches and gorgeous ski resorts... it's the Alps on the Riviera
asciilifeform: scrip >> obligatory >> 'You load sixteen tons, what do you get? / Another day older and deeper in debt / Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go / I owe my soul to the company store.'
asciilifeform: other than that - quite similar!
mircea_popescu: get in the wot, you.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if tomorrow they swtiched to company scrip, you'd work for that.
mircea_popescu: some profile pics, let it go. not everyone's as socially awkward / sexually repressed as you, to use their feet in etsy shoes / anon ducklings as an avatar.
mircea_popescu: http://jesuschristsiliconvalley.tumblr.com/post/46537875392/what-your-profile-picture-says-about-you-hint <<< i don't really get the femmeflame.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody works for money in the west.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 12:59:12; gabriel_laddel: Note that I dont necessarily endorse MP's viewpoint but it is rather well developed.
asciilifeform: davout: i though the point was to starve more slowly
davout: asciilifeform: that's kind of the point of a day job
asciilifeform: where i live, many folks actually use their day jobs as 'man cave'
cazalla: mircea_popescu, they don't sell them locally, i am hopeful i can buy a plug it in and away it goes pogo from here once that is sorted
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 12:56:57; cazalla: the big mistake i made was getting a woman pregnant prior to living with her.. things were all fine and dandy while i had my own place and could fuck her and send her home after the fact
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 12:53:40; cazalla: and i am stuck using fucking electrum since then because for some reason, since bitcoin-qt 0.10.0 came out, my old 0.8.3, 0.8.6 throws errors and i can't fully sync and even lame attempt to try 0.10.0 falls flat.. i think maybe memory is fucked though unrelated, memtest86 throws a bunch of errors
mod6: ben_vulpes: ok good deal! i'm about to post the lastest version of the perl build script too -- which should pull v0.0.2 of the static-makefile patch.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-huge-language-issue/
mircea_popescu: what's wrong is the idea that dependents can push one around in one's own castle.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 12:49:43; cazalla: you guys criticise the mancave but seriously, when the missus and the kid push you out of the masterbedroom due to lack of sleep and then push you out the kids room which was turned into makeshift computer room but needs it back because apparently a pig pen isn't big enough for him now, you might appreciate the man cave aka cold ass garage
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051627 << nuttin wrong with the man cave.
mircea_popescu: "Chainalysis achieves this by doing sophisticated in-depth real-time transaction analysis to determine unique entities within the blockchain. Michael Grønager Chief Executive Officer Jan Møller Chief Technology Officer Jens Hilligsøe DevOps Engineer Kresten Krab Throup Consulting Architect Jørn Larsen Business Advisor"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: read, if you have the stomach, the tardsthread. overall angle seems to be 'use tor now111!!!11!!'
davout: mircea_popescu: you actually need proof it was gold in the first place anyway
mircea_popescu: just nothing the power rangers ever felt like discussing, prior.
asciilifeform: sybiltron << not only that one. there are others, that've been running for a good long time.
mircea_popescu: cazalla well whatever, he prolly got the username way back.
cazalla: but still, that'd be like me coming here under the name whaleclub
mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin protocol, when implemented correctly, has a degree of sybil resistance when it comes to partitioning and double-spend risk as an attacker must get _all_ your connections for those attacks, but this kind of activity can really violate user privacy since privacy attacks don't need to get all your connections; especially for SPV nodes which liberally broadcast their wallet addresses to nodes that they're usin
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 20:57:35; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051612 << how the fuck does one destroy gold ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051612 << how the fuck does one destroy gold ?
mod6: can you delete these duplicates? http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000064.html & http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000065.html ?
davout: thestringpuller: wai
mircea_popescu: they still do this ? i thought it was mostly a great leap forward into a brick wall phenoimenon
asciilifeform: where they go 'we have two tonnes of Y and only half a tonne of X, let's relabel some Y as X'
kakobrekla: so the 1% ones should be +- 10%
mircea_popescu: there's like 1k 470 ohm bits exactly, and then 10 items at 230, which make it be +-5% over the batch
asciilifeform: they were about half.
mircea_popescu: weird. "for your convenience, we have packed five half-resistence resistors separately, to bring the average to a 5% tolerance as you required"
asciilifeform: they also confessed that 8.2k were mounted instead of 10k
asciilifeform: and unknown other problemos
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla apparently his thing got 400 instead of 200 ohm resistors, but funnily they carried the 200 markings
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: no broken kneecaps yet? gotta bring them to an "understanding"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: re "standardization without permission" << it looks like bastardization. who the fuck says, "Security should not be the defining feature of a service". Does this roughly translate to: "CSS everywhere."
asciilifeform: one day these might come back sorta-working
asciilifeform had interesting email exchange with macrofab, where they showed photograph of their bobbin - labeled 'panasonic' - said they tested 50 random units;
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's come to the point where i 'google xxxx' and get... own self having spoken of xxxx five minutes prior
thestringpuller: "The CCSS is an open standard, born out of the belief that security should not be the defining feature of your service." << Why?!?!?
mircea_popescu: when they're done doing that they can probably get back to riding their wooden horses or w/e nine year olds do when not monkeying the adults.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller this isn't "permissionless innovation", this is "standardization without permission".
thestringpuller: from: http://blog.cryptoconsortium.org/contributing-to-the-ccss/ "There are many ways in which you can help contribute to the CryptoCurrency Security Standard. While security experts have an obvious avenue for contributing, the standard also needs help from graphic designers, language translators, and proofreaders too, just to name a few." this is what permissionless innovation looks like in da infancy
assbot: Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GNwO6k )
mircea_popescu: if you allow "server farms" you also allow the government the power toi know which necks to squeeze, which in practice readily devolves to shrem begging for ten bucks because http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/
mircea_popescu: it's kinda incredible to me that the entire intellectual production of the usg crowd is limited to merely rehashing points debunked within a week or two of the "controversy".
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yxsdd/satoshi_on_scaling_the_current_system_where_every/ << lets see how this turns out (bookmarks under "popcorn required")
mircea_popescu: hahaha it was just pointed out to me that if you google for pretty much anything to do with btc b-a is probably in the results, and if you click over to images there's definitely some b-a ladies in there.
ben_vulpes: what is the /context/ for that, man?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait, isn't that HOW you measure resistence in the first place ?
asciilifeform: for example of a trivial case where they cannot:
mircea_popescu: is there some way to connect a resistor in an unpowered, unshorted circuit so that i can't measure it without unmounting it ?
asciilifeform: that one was measurable in-circuit due to the way it was connected.
asciilifeform: and hell knows what else for the parts that could not be measured
asciilifeform: because you cannot force the current of measurement to flow -only- through the resistor
mircea_popescu: do they even have to be removed ?
mircea_popescu: can be done easy enough and undestructively, just turn the machine off and pop its cover
mircea_popescu: well, one way to find out, of course, would be to get some new laptops/handhelds and measure their resistors.
asciilifeform: (these would turn up in all 3)
asciilifeform: incidentally, one more piece of data - i traced the empty board (included with the two populated units) - there were no mask defects
mircea_popescu: there's a definite age gap. kids born pre 1990 are more different from kids born after than slave owners from slaves in the deep south cca 1790
asciilifeform: the software-defined-radio thing going for past few yrs, for example
mircea_popescu: maybe out of old stuff they have in garage ?
asciilifeform: they build new stuff
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ham radio folks use older gear maybe ?
mircea_popescu: out of the millions of redditards generously employed to do tech support, millions are in "tech support stories" talking about how idiot customers are
asciilifeform: what of all the ham radio folks
asciilifeform: telling me that no one anywhere built an analogue whateverthefuck?
mircea_popescu: may account for all those cases of the zombie device.
mircea_popescu: you may be on to something there.
asciilifeform: for digital circuit, the consequences are not immediately apparent
asciilifeform: i'm beginning to suspect that most of what's in the electronics stores now has these 'magical' components of essentially random values
asciilifeform: if going to eat the meat regardless of from what animal - may as well run bitcoin on the stock linux that comes with that thing
mircea_popescu: so then it's more like, "can't get an os for pogo, we like to believe it can be done nevertheless" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, i think i made the handful of useful things i've discovered on the subject public on the listserv
mircea_popescu: so the breakdown is that you know how and he doesn't an' you're not telling him ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what's the situation here, can't get an os for pogo ?
asciilifeform: ('buildroot' builds cross compiler in the process of building, like netbsd does. it also builds minimal userlands with known contents suitable for read-only media. this is the part that is very tricky to achieve by hand)
asciilifeform: the whole thing can go on the same hard drive as the blockchain << NO. must be able to insert brand new drive in brand new unit and have it format. or replacement drive.
kakobrekla: <danielpbarron> (NOTE: OpenBSD can not be re-exported from the US once it has entered the US. < im sure you are familiar with 'pgpi scanning project'
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: The signify thing depends on libsodium for however good it is along with probably other things
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: They use that for code/binaries, because GPG is GPL and in their distribution it is license unacceptable by their standards
ben_vulpes: but the planet's not choking under human smog or anything
ben_vulpes: this is the most unbelievably gorgeous spring i've ever seen here
davout: yea, what i understood too, coming nonetheless
davout: danielpbarron: "at least debian doesn't have all that systemd crap" <<< i was under the impression it was coming to debian too
nubbins`: gabriel_laddel:Does anyone take issue with me describing the lordship as "the peerage" and #-assets as "earth's premiere commercial forum"? <<< ...
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i started work on a driver but there's no time. << I'm pretty much in the same boat but it kinda sounds fun to write. I hate pdf's but I found this that sort of defines what I think the issue is here. Can you confirm ascii? http://chewiefs.sed.hu/sites/chewiefs.sed.hu/files/NetBSD_Flash_subsystem_final_nopagenum.pdf
nubbins`: even using the sd card for os isn't an unbearable extra burden
asciilifeform: i started work on a driver but there's no time.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it wasn't just the nand
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: ;;later tell jurov The mailing list is still snarffing messages. The dns fix didn't seem to help.
ben_vulpes: until the jews start crawling out of my skin
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 01:43:22; asciilifeform: danielpbarron: iirc, openbsd will not see the nand flash on the 'pogo.'
ben_vulpes: "yes it's entirely a good idea to lock everyone from ages 8-18 up with each other and nobody else, that won't promptly lead to all sorts of pathologies."
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> [13:29] you're up against an immense wave of shit made in china, ipads, tv, public education the constant reinforce that should you buck the status quo, you're a bad parent << jesus shit if you go *with* the status quo you're a bad parent
ben_vulpes: <gabriel_laddel> [13:15] the political position of "they're cattle, we're not" is totally A OK. << and furthermore, the #b-a creed
ben_vulpes: cazalla, gabriel_laddel: it's totarry the jooz.
Burrmarket: ohh thanks for the verify
jurov: they failed to make _anything_ secure. butbut "blockchain technology!!!1"
jurov: "We are at a tipping point right now. It's making a lot more sense for some type of digital cash in the system, that not only saves our government money, but also is a lot more convenient and secure for individuals to use," the source said.
nubbins`: close friend of mine. has been in the bughouse at least a half dozen times
gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: is the guy an actual lunatic or just a deviant his "family & friends" decided to reformat (in your estimation).
nubbins`: hm, i have some posters from the release here somewhere
cazalla: i bet the scam poetry.com ran back in the late 90s, early 2000's would work far better today amongst the narcissistic facebook generation of today
gabriel_laddel: Fun in the USA
nubbins`: rowhouses of nurses. all rooms are hospitals now. /// flies spit antipsychotic froth on their tongues & wheel about cheap paint walls. all hospitals are life now.
nubbins`: but it was too late for all that, the buggers held full control, so all rooms are now hospital. the candy cart of medication wheels behind me, manacled by psychotic chains. lines of divison have been dissolved. this letter is also spoken live in the minds of all others. medication is food. Rx is smoked. food is smoked. all useless as light dripped from bulbs into splashing puddles of light on the floor. vast communities of bulky orderlies.
gabriel_laddel: ^ from the above book
gabriel_laddel: the machines in the shop roar so wildly / that i often forget in the roar that I am ; / i am lost in the terrible tumult, / my ego disappears, i am a machine. / i work, and work and word without end; / i am busy, and busy and busy all the time. / for what? and for whom? I know not, I ask not! / how should a machine ever come to think?
cazalla: nubbins`, no idea yet, he likes to mash on the electric keyboard i have here but then what kid wouldn't?
nubbins`: so what's the one thing you're gonna push him towards
gabriel_laddel I'll note that I hate the perspective of the author in that book but liked the information he had to present.
gabriel_laddel: cazalla: see also John von Neumann and Norbert Wiener: From Mathematics to the Technologies of Life and Death
gabriel_laddel: See also China's Examination Hell: The Civil Service Examinations of Imperial China
gabriel_laddel: By relieving the brain of all unnecessary work, a good notation sets it free to concentrate on more advanced problems, and in effect increases the mental power of the race. -- A.N. Whitehead
cazalla: so what is the opinion of the erudites here regaring what polgar did with his daughters? that has sorta been my goal with my son, find one thing for him and push him hard in that direction
gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: the language doesn't help. For example, a chinese mathematics undergrad from Peking U. I know thought that using a computer algebra system to do mathematics was "cheating". Person in question had no notion of "playing with mathematics". This is more of a cultural thing, but much of human thought is captured in language.
nubbins`: learned it on the descent into seoul
nubbins`: they have misconceptions about mathematics, and it's because their mother tongue is chinese?
gabriel_laddel: the chinese I know who learn "english for programming" have all sorts of massive misconceptions about computers, language, mathematics etc.
gabriel_laddel: my point is that chinese as is must go away if they want to work with computers
cazalla: doesn't matter anyway, my father is/was weak, feminine, useless
gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: the english (or korean!) language maps to computers becuase the characters compose. you'll only have to learn how to talk to a computer instead of a whole new system of language + computers.
cazalla: and fucking idiot father's father couldn't speak a word of english yet 2 generations after can't speak a word of german
nubbins`: the shame!
nubbins`: that's the situation i'm in right now
gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: doesn't matter. Let's say that you are a super good people person but can't verify any of what your computer is doing in the future.
gabriel_laddel: nubbins`: their language doesn't map to computers all that well
cazalla: me either nubbins` but "nature finds a way"