mircea_popescu: what does their knowledge matter ?
asciilifeform: in the way that gorby didn't
asciilifeform: the sovblok fell down with nato holding a seemingly soft (in reality not so much) cushion under its arse as it fell
mircea_popescu: but that aside, it all boils down to the ancient (here and iirc on trilema too) "what's the devil have to pay you to love him" thing.
mircea_popescu: this amused the russian to no end.
mircea_popescu: if anyone is curious enough, please to read the gorbachev diaries after his 87 visit in romania.
asciilifeform: trinque: judging by the results
asciilifeform: trinque: the 'militia' thing is solid usg provocateurism from day one
mircea_popescu: the fake shows of support (you are charlie, really ?) do not help.
asciilifeform: rock solid support from the cattle
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh no. they take it out of the captive tax cows - sales, shrinkflation, outright moneyprinter
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're neglecting the only important thing here, which is the actual fine points of the relationship between the abused wife and her husband.
asciilifeform: because 'friend of 30 years' vouched for the broker
mircea_popescu: the government has lost 3-4% of its revenue.
mircea_popescu: trinque understand something : if one million people becomes 1% more likely to lie on their taxes,
asciilifeform: who take three steps and (fail to) blow (themselves) up with a (fake) rocket sold to them by usg.
trinque: seems easy to convince the narcissist it's "not him"
mircea_popescu: familiar with the (afaik also uncontroversial) theory that the us is a nation of narcisists ?
mircea_popescu: let's take the cheapest way out. familiar wit hthe guy whose name history has lost (:P) that set fire to the whatever so his name may be remembered ?
mircea_popescu: there is no undertaking more expensive than that pavement job.
asciilifeform: the damage from tsarnavev & tsarnaev was roughly comparable to a small 'pile up' wreck on the highway.
mircea_popescu: i can trivially send pizza to the "secret" subsecretary of state for whatever, and he's stuck wondering how i know ?
asciilifeform: and what, they are to go broke from paving a street?
mircea_popescu: they had to demolish a street ?
trinque: maybe the ratio's irrelevant
trinque: and the ratio of people reacting sanely to not
asciilifeform: show me the stalingrad
mircea_popescu: trinque no. the street was in fact demolished.
mircea_popescu: ie, "what the participant thinks happens matters".
asciilifeform: they evidently must
mircea_popescu: there's going to be a demolished street bearing your name.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up << a ro guy famously caught a coupla "secret agents" tailing him in traffic, beat them up (romanian tradition) took them to police station.
mircea_popescu: they installed a bunch of autobatteries and shitnow ? /me's not been keeping up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik swiss defend themselves by "neutrality"
mircea_popescu: but for as long as the "how do they know it's not really an ambush ?" question has an obvious and correct answer, you already failed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: make invasion economically unfeasible << you may be thinking of the swiss
asciilifeform: if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up
mircea_popescu: this does not work against ideologically motivated adversaries, but it works against bureaucracies something splendid. there's always another fire to put out.
asciilifeform: as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths << this is possible if living in a bunker
mircea_popescu: swedish military doctrine, notably, is constructed around the core concept that they do not aim to defend the country, they aim to make invasion economically unfeasible. that is all.
mircea_popescu: the entire construction has very speciffic dead points, and they're anything but secret.
mircea_popescu: as long as it's clear to the da that a court showdown will end his career, you're practically unprosecutable, no matter what you do. as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths, you're un-opable, no matter what you do. etc etc.
mircea_popescu: the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline.
mircea_popescu: it's true : they haven't yet made a thing for something else to use for this.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is ALSO not controversial - virtually half of all material prepared by the bureaucracy states in one form or another that they're "not prepared for this type of challenge"
asciilifeform: so, running with this line of thought, what might we expect 'the cure' to look like?
asciilifeform: who are actually trained for the kind of thing that it's all ultimately for
asciilifeform: the equipment (and selected men) steadily gets transfered to police (soon to be unified gendarmerie) forces
mircea_popescu: the us army makes excellent police and screwdrivers. bully for it.
mircea_popescu: sorta like a parade army. exactly what the italians had, right before the risorgimento.
asciilifeform: and many other interesting things which have yet to be demoed
asciilifeform: it is also, apparently, quite useful for rocketing unarmed men in their sleep
mircea_popescu: this is why all the ridiculous military failures of the us since vietnam : it built an army which is only useful as an army if NOT fighting.
mircea_popescu: the weird thing about the situaiton of usg particularly, and of usg-likes (ie, most cancer) is that "everything is only intended to be used in the situations it wasn't designed to be used".
mircea_popescu: people who go "sure, whatever. make sure you have good AP and check the vests" are not the target of this sort of bs.
asciilifeform: say van picks'em up. this gives us no useful 'smoking gun' beyond 'sorry chaps, they all sold out last night. no, can't tell ya who bought'
mircea_popescu: as to van : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case."
mircea_popescu: and there's more directions.
mircea_popescu: imagine a device that kept paul atreides from having to fight all the idiot freemen.
asciilifeform: but let's address the van.
asciilifeform: the nonsense on reddit does nothing - granted
mircea_popescu: NOT having to turn them down personally is empowering for you.
mircea_popescu: the other direction being that you DO NOT WISH the attenntion of most of those women.
asciilifeform: but as i understand, it resolves to 'they have lost the mandate of heaven, will be defeated eventually'
mod6: huh, the statically linked binary is between 5.6 and 5.2mb. On my x86_64 builds it was often around 5.6mb. i just pulled up my paste from the debian x86_32 bit build (http://dpaste.com/1YQR1W7), here's 5.2mb. and yesterday on gentoo x86_32 it was 5.6mb.
mircea_popescu: BUT! if the solution they come up with is to make an artefact which convinces 99% of the women sorted by stupidity that they shouldn't fuck you,
mircea_popescu: now, the reason this is stupid, on multiple planes, we won't dsiscuss here, for space.
mircea_popescu: they're all naked and dripping. suppose that someone for whatever stupid reason does not want you to fuck, because they imagine this is how you don't get to kill them.
asciilifeform: if tomorrow a white van picks up the remaining 5000 (?) pogos, how do 'we win' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, prepare for a lengthy explanation then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must confess that it is rather unclear to me where the detriment is coming from.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they will, to ~their detriment~. i'm not sure this is getting through, or that im doing a good job of explaining it, but in fact such victories are more expensive than the respective defeats they supposedly keep one from.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 ben_vulpes think a <27mb bitcoin could be ? << the current statically linked bitcoind is 5.6mb is that what you mean?
asciilifeform: and they will have every living thing that reads reddit convinced that they invented it, too.
mircea_popescu: back to the usg-tb thing : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case."
asciilifeform: yes, they could.
asciilifeform: "you mean to tell me we could use these to run bitcoin nodes ourselves ?!?!... << they easily could. not with the 20MB blocks, no, but with the 20MB (and whatever the hell else satanic strange) -enabled- and waiting to get flooded
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from what i understand the theory we're discussing, they'd be all the same thing ?
mircea_popescu: to imagine the usg, or for that matter any bureaucracy like a PERSON rather than like a disease is imo to be very, very wrong
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 15:54:27; asciilifeform: 'After making public revelations critical of US policies, former CIA director William Colby was himself found dead in 1996 from a laughably improbable 'canoe accident'. US Congressman Wayne Owens was found dead in Israel in 2002 while investigating US corruption connections.' << 'best news is the history you didn't know' (mircea_popescu?)
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072569 << the intrinsic problem with "look at all these people killed by tb, clearly tb can not be cured, if those people really had tb they wouldn't be walking around" is that well... tb is in fact a curable disease.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha. hence telnet without any authentication at all.
mircea_popescu: "you mean to tell me we could use these to run bitcoin nodes ourselves ?!?! FU NOT SELLING THEM NAO"
mircea_popescu: "Can you tell me what you're wanting to do with them? " ?<< lol nubbins` got teh usms curious nao
trinque goes for the tatted up look
mircea_popescu: (protip : "onlyallfours" is a very bad idea, especially on hard floors. bursitis is at thing, if you give a horse shoes to protect hooves from hard pavement, might as well give the slavegirls kneepads.)
mircea_popescu: in other news, chirilic tats! http://40.media.tumblr.com/8e539d05ca2b774489e14de7c21501a2/tumblr_nlbeffKDNj1qejludo1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: KISS, as they say.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> no one should ever be connecting to these things except on his own lan during setup << myes, realized this in the shower this am. also question of usernames, keys...
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/primul/ << that's the discussion at the time, for the curious.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 15:32:26; asciilifeform: was i the only one here who actually read (for a time) mr s's (purported) www output (e.g., 'twitter', etc) ?
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072535 << no. i, for instance, was the one that forced the publication of the cables, which they were going to withhold, by publishing the hot archive of romanian-related ones.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072495 << ftr, i get these on my name as well, tho i sure as hell never sent anyone that sort of bs legal request.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 15:04:08; asciilifeform: anyway this should be enough lure for everybody. mega-lulzy tirade. if chumpatronic, it is of top quality and i take off my hat to the chumpatronicist.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072493 << again, same deal. yes buffett came into the fold. this is uncontroversial, and i've said it too.
asciilifeform: (this is -not- what we want in the field ver.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has the right idea.
asciilifeform: if we must have the radio, let's ad-hoc to neighbors
asciilifeform: it was the single cheapest such box that i was able to locate
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's a step in the right direction
asciilifeform: and there are at least 3 chinese clones, roughly similar.
asciilifeform: --- and after we kill the orphans thing
asciilifeform: unrelated: if we can get bitcoind under 27M, whole orchestra fits into the 32M eeprom found in the 'tripmate'
mircea_popescu: i thought those were the nutteries we were digging aside.
asciilifeform: these are 'noncontroversial' ?
mircea_popescu: chomsky actually said that the joe stack grievances are legitimate, and will take over if not tackled.
mircea_popescu: whilke it's arguable if it makes the point more or less persuasively than that thing, nevertheless, it does make it, and who exactly argued with it ?
assbot: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeYlJA )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but take a piece like http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/
mircea_popescu: rather than "women spit"
mircea_popescu: ie, if "all the women you've talked to" spit, and also are not wearing skirts, maybe sample is no good.
asciilifeform makes no claim of 'the world' except as 'world he is able to access'
mircea_popescu will underscore there's nothing wrong with cheap ikea stuff. what was at stake above was the expectation that a sample with weird homologies may be representative for "the world"
asciilifeform: (of thinking and other kinds)
asciilifeform: in the houses of elderly.
mircea_popescu: in the houses of thinking people.
mircea_popescu: what is the intersection of this everywhere and prefab furniture ?
asciilifeform: 100% solid believers in the fishwrap XOR reddit everywhere i've physically set foot in usa.
mircea_popescu: the clever sort, i mean.
asciilifeform: other than #b-a, i mean
mircea_popescu: leakers that actually trust the entire press-to-public model are idiots in the first place.
mircea_popescu: a while later (about the same while later) it was exactly the same thing : "wikipedia at top of all search results because wikipedia at top of all search results".
mircea_popescu: also, originally, an attempt to resolve the "find sites" problem by iteration over the graph.
mircea_popescu: note the exact same fate of the only similar thing to date : imperial chinese examination.
mircea_popescu: it's just simple thermodynamics.
mircea_popescu: the only thing is, i do not believe the degradation of google's model from algorithmic to "algorithmic" to "whatever, we'll just do it by hand" is in any sense cia's work.
mircea_popescu: heck, i said it in the logs too.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 14:56:44; asciilifeform: 'CIA-Wikipedia ("Every dumbf-ck in the world believes Wikipedia") - artificially pumped by CIA Google to top of search results, a 'Trojan horse' for inserting CIA lies and rubbish - see the EU police report on Wikipedia fundraising fraud...'
mircea_popescu: ayway, i don't mind. questioning is the core of progress!
mircea_popescu: alf's lizard hitler seems pretty similar to the original hitler cca 1944.
mircea_popescu: who comes up with these strats i wonder.
mircea_popescu: then, once that worked as well as you'd expect, moving on to "oh, nothing notable, many things just like it" ?
mircea_popescu: first, trying to attack bitcoin with the nonsensical "oh, nothing notable except blockchain technologee"
nubbins`: store sells goods, why you need to start the day with a full register?
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 13:02:41; mike_c: people have to pay to play, what do they need seed money for the game for?
mircea_popescu: at least large herbivores lookl like they were basically built for it
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 12:50:04; jurov: but small investors that were caught there, talked about it
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 12:43:53; jurov: but i hope that if mp was scammer, he'd have arranged the situation to not look so forlorn :D
assbot: Bitcoin Floundation Moves To Dilute The Bitcoin Brand | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCX00L )
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-floundation-moves-to-dilute-the-bitcoin-brand/ << scam foundation couldn't do more to ruin its own claim to relevancy in the space if it deliberately tried.
mircea_popescu: in short - this is why academic wankery is called academic wankery. it has all the characteristics of useful work save a few.
mircea_popescu: moreover, "n confirmation doublespends" still needs you to produce mined blocks of a proper difficulty, which is just as hard as on the main net.
mircea_popescu: the idea you are going to "monopolize" connections to a node is laughable, as they are all implemented to have hardwired connections you don't get to touch, in a pedestrian, difficult and unwieldy reimplementation of a wot system.
mircea_popescu: to complement what i said then, not only i know of no infrastructure nodes that are reliably identifiable by ip, but i know of no infrastructure nodes that have no vpn access to other nodes.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, the "node identified by ip" thing we discussed yesterday.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072329 << imo the assumptions are very weak.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol has that derp actually sold any o'reilly tomes ? or we not talking about how product fails at the one fucking job product had ?
asciilifeform: to sink into the sea
mircea_popescu: aha ima look in logs then
asciilifeform: did paste in some of the highlights.
asciilifeform: i'd squeeze them out myself, but no time at present
asciilifeform: anyway, document in question is a piece of nuttery containing, if you put it through a juice extractor, some very sensible hypotheses
mircea_popescu: so some guy wrote some things on a piece of paper about what he heard on the news and submitted this to his local police station ?
mircea_popescu: "Police report at EU national police agencies, extensively discussing CIA-Wikipedia-Google media control crimes, of which the CIA-Snowden fraud is part."
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/14928d833dfd20e18ce340276c8dfb1c/tumblr_nl7g0yecQf1tulo74o1_500.jpg
BingoBoingo: ^ Picture in article is larger than when displayed with the text
jurov: " is set to become the world’s first trading platform with a direct connection to the classic banking system" davout perhaps you may something to say about that?
asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
asciilifeform: 'The informant said he had known Hagler for more than 30 years. Hagler had a seething hatred for his ex-wife and was becoming more agitated after events in Ferguson and because he believed he would lose his homes in St. Louis for not paying taxes, according to court documents. A second informant said the tone of his views against government....'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: nothing in the text about this, naturally
asciilifeform: linked video has the thing roll about
asciilifeform: esp. of the photo.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It just might be the first
asciilifeform: all the above means is that buildroot deliberately fucked up the build system to make it extremely inconvenient to add it to the default init
BingoBoingo: "Must be a heavy dude," Griffin said, "to have all these police come out." >> http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-man-threatened-to-kill-police-rigged-home-with/article_cf037dda-dd90-5959-b84f-80f59f7403e3.html
asciilifeform: jurov: how do you propose to log in to the box ?
jurov: don't see a problem there. once telnet starts, root access is no longer unexpected.
Adlai watches a snail crawl across the edge of a razor
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2013 16:54:13; nubbins`: floor. vast communities of bulky orderlies. rowhouses of nurses. all rooms are hospitals now. the firmament, a massive inferno of blue-black gods. judges pouring time as the piss of Dionysus. insects dripping honey and pulling wax upon my ears. says, 'All the angels can dance on the tip of a pin. all thoughts can jig upon the point of a pen'
nubbins`: put another way, do not solder a battery holder into your pogo and use it as a wallet, either 8)
nubbins`: i had to double check the pcb last night when your rtc0 init failed
mod6: ok. so we won't sign transactions then
asciilifeform: mod6: it has -no- source of entropy other than i/o
mod6: ok, maybe i don't understand. but im gonna ask anyway. but what you're saying is that the pogo embedded os wont have a rng?
asciilifeform: something like this will be necessary if there is to be any possibility of changing, say, the ip bringup
nubbins`: but if you don't mind the indulgence, short term...
asciilifeform: no one should ever be connecting to these things except on his own lan during setup
asciilifeform: i wouldn't even bother with it at all if it weren't for folks here who don't feel like soldering the serial plug
asciilifeform: activated, naturally, (if present in the battlefield version at all) by holding down button on boot
nubbins`: "...oh yeah" then guy wanders in and takes stage w/ band
nubbins`: i recall being at one of these shows once
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> BingoBoingo any punk band you've heard of is by definition not punk << Of course by the time I've heard of them they've lapsed.
nubbins`: mod6 melvins was a good guess tho, they get silkscreened posters done locally for all their slows
nubbins`: but the trappings of punk
nubbins`: but can't say much else til the contract is signed :D
nubbins`: mod6 you'd definitely know em, the name starts with P and it's not pennywise
mod6: I heard they're gonna be playing up here. gotta try to catch 'em.
BingoBoingo: If the bad has a big name it can't be very punk
asciilifeform: nubbins`: not unlike the 'playstation' supercomputing clusters and sony's response
asciilifeform: nubbins`: "We currently have plenty of them in stock" << may be pessimistic, but i strongly suspect that the $20 stock will evaporate very quickly once the manufacturer realizes what these are being used for.
asciilifeform: but don't be surprised if it makes headlines in the mouthpiece press as a mega-s333k00r1ty-gotterdammerung
asciilifeform: from what i can tell, the thing reads fw images, tests if smm register is properly locked, etc.
asciilifeform: intel is interested in 'platform security' in much the same way that monsanto is interested in your healthy diet.
nubbins`: For two days only, save 40% on Pogoplug Unlimited Cloud—just $29 for the first year (reg. $49.95).
asciilifeform: punkman: at any rate, check out the vendor - intel.
nubbins`: "We currently have plenty of them in stock"
nubbins`: woo, got a contact for bulk orders from that other place
asciilifeform: punkman: which is one of the objects under test
asciilifeform: punkman: the uefi variant runs from... within bios?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: picture how a 'civilian' would view #b-a log if he were to read 'the choice bits'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the actual facts about usg are sufficiently monstrous that they will trigger -any- reasonable person's immune system the way they triggered yours, if encountered raw in one gigantic torrent
nubbins`: these rambling essays to me are like rounded corners to mp
nubbins`: but again. i'm not evaluating his claims (how can i? 100% not reading any more), just the way in which he presents himself and his theories
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the pertinent difference is the testability of the claims and how perfectly they square, imho, with the publicly-available facts.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: my hypothesis is that this kind of thing is -caused by- rather than -a cause of- the futility of 'shouting in the wilderness'
nubbins`: the only difference between this guy and a "SHTF" type prepper is the style of the gibberish
asciilifeform: punkman: hence no stealth in the analysis
nubbins`: everyone with this type of crazy has the same website
nubbins`: asciilifeform problem is, if the "similar markings" are verbal diarrhoea, i just wouldn't be able to.
nubbins`: mike_c my purpose of being here has been discussed in the past
asciilifeform: how would you distinguish this animal from the other, very different, species with similar markings ?
mike_c: how much are they paying you nubbins`?
nubbins`: at the risk of being blithe, he's a nutter who harasses people he thinks are out to get him
nubbins`: for all i know, this guy is preaching the true word
nubbins`: reminds me of the woman who claimed JK Rowling stole her book "Larry Botter" or w/e
nubbins`: after clicking 5 links through various pages of gibberish, i find the "jew-baiting" extortion letter
nubbins`: Cornwell's lawyers know this, that attacking and murdering Jews is Cornwell's ultimate fetish and fantasy, to herself become a lesbian Adolf Hitler. Cornwell's longtime lawyers Shumadine and Rudell, mentioned above, took advantage of this back in 2000, when they threatened someone of Jewish heritage with a Jew-baiting extortion letter.
asciilifeform: and the multicoloured 'phones'
asciilifeform: from his pushing tor, to promising to reveal 'who plugged jfk', to countless other distractions
asciilifeform: snowden (or whatever bourbaki is responsible for writing his public-facing garbage) insulted the intelligence of the entire planet a thousand times
nubbins`: Cornwell quickly denounces the "dirty Jews", the "filthy Jews". Indeed, attacking Jews is a real passion for the neo-Nazi Cornwell, while at the same time engaging in the 'Pleasures of Adolf Eichmann', Cornwell's hiring of dishonest Jews to do dirty jobs for her, a 'pet Jew' whom Cornwell can dominate.
nubbins`: i dunno man, the one page about cromwell i read was nutted out