ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: i have to clear up that it's not a *commit* summary but a changelog summary.
ben_vulpes: didja get it running eventually?
ben_vulpes: thoughts for bed.
ben_vulpes: how though to reconcile noise suppression with -asset logreading...
ben_vulpes: taleb's really on to something with his noise suppression routine.
ben_vulpes: i had to get scamsniped AGAIN.
ben_vulpes: but noooo
ben_vulpes: i *was* being productive and booting historical versions of bitcoin to run locally.
ben_vulpes: well it's cost the future one night of my time.
ben_vulpes: anyways, here, ether wallet lulz: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/22_technical-flaws-in-early-ether-wallet-implementations.html
ben_vulpes: ether
ben_vulpes: but
ben_vulpes: i
ben_vulpes: you're shitbanned
ben_vulpes: fuck you medium
ben_vulpes: who nerdsniped me with the etherscam again
ben_vulpes: okay who did this to me
ben_vulpes: WHY
ben_vulpes: A REASONABLY AFFORDABLE POSSIBLITY
ben_vulpes: using their considerable expertise in implementing a just-in-time (JIT) compiled version of the Ethereum virtual machine and making computationally-complex contracts a reasonably affordable possibility
ben_vulpes: neat keyfob i guess
ben_vulpes: but you know
ben_vulpes: plus a screwdriver. maybe.
ben_vulpes: looks like i could get it open in about a minute with a decent vise
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: now there's an interesting thing to put up someone's pooper
ben_vulpes: http://rajensanghvi.com/ << fuck yeah default wpengine template
ben_vulpes: my brain's calling it quit
ben_vulpes: now i want to see the power draw of the btc network.
ben_vulpes: not that novel.
ben_vulpes thinks
ben_vulpes: this suggests a novel attack vector: depress price strategically to drive miners out, drop large amounts of hashpower to rewrite blockchain.
ben_vulpes: i'm too tired and too deep in unix horseshit to know what to say about ether anymore
ben_vulpes: dude
ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/@abrkn/obtaining-and-offline-securing-ether-for-the-upcoming-ethereum-launch-157963b6a456 << so one actually downloads wallets from the etherfolk?
ben_vulpes: lol i wish i had that kind of budget
ben_vulpes: full time you say
ben_vulpes: :P
ben_vulpes: 'cept for the rapier betwixt yer ribs
ben_vulpes: nothing personal
ben_vulpes: "i can read java and stuff, but can't handle cli programs"
ben_vulpes: that's a pretty funny self-indictment of javaland if you don't mind my saying so.
ben_vulpes: you make the baby satoshi cry
ben_vulpes: bawww really RagnarDanneskjol ?
ben_vulpes: it's a forging of some kind. trial by fire.
ben_vulpes: gangster-rapper
ben_vulpes: should la serenissima publish a torrent?
ben_vulpes: mhm.
ben_vulpes: this has been educational indeed.
ben_vulpes: hm.
ben_vulpes: provided set_lk_max_locks type configs are in place?
ben_vulpes: but if you supply the entire datadir, you can boot one install with another's blockchain?
ben_vulpes: i'm thinking in terms of bits on disk
ben_vulpes: so every blockchain could be a snowflake.
ben_vulpes: right.
ben_vulpes: although if you'd be willing to share your tarball and a version number against which i could build that might show some interesting things on a block-by-block diffing
ben_vulpes: i'm not concerned about the speed nearly as much as i am the thing working correctly with the network.
ben_vulpes: mhm precisely.
ben_vulpes: i agree, yeah.
ben_vulpes: none that can't wait for the morrow
ben_vulpes thinks
ben_vulpes: well, first words in -assets as proxy for initial blockchain dl
ben_vulpes: hm
ben_vulpes: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mircea_popescu&start=5000 << mthreat wouldja be so kind as to expand how far back the search goes?
ben_vulpes: quite likely.
ben_vulpes: check my arrival date in -assets
ben_vulpes: no sir
ben_vulpes: your book, sure.
ben_vulpes: surely it's not that easy
ben_vulpes: $ cp ~/.bitcoin ~/.bitcoin-test && ./ancient-bitcoind -datadir ~/.bitcoin-test ?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> 0.5.6rc3 works << enhanced sync speed?
ben_vulpes: this is where docker starts coming in handy: instead of burning many hours on chasing down platform and architecture details to get the thing to work on os x, i'm leaning towards just running 0.5.3 in a VM.
ben_vulpes: i also think that building on os x is a bad idea
ben_vulpes: i am considering bisecting the codebase for building on os x
ben_vulpes: ah.
ben_vulpes: just curious
ben_vulpes: i ain't picking up shit
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what in place of bdb?
ben_vulpes digs spare hdd out of closet for aux blockchain
ben_vulpes: slow sync, myriad crapolade
ben_vulpes: i'm going for 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what release are you targeting?
ben_vulpes tries it again
ben_vulpes: ALSO STILL VULNERABLE TO SHELLSHOCK
ben_vulpes: another reason this damn platform's doomed
ben_vulpes: getting command line functionality on os x has been a headache every time i tried it
ben_vulpes: also also also also
ben_vulpes: !
ben_vulpes: nubbins i was just opining
ben_vulpes: oh sorry
ben_vulpes: wallet retardation gets cut or reimplemented non retardedly
ben_vulpes: qt gets cut
ben_vulpes: molding bullets...
ben_vulpes: aok
ben_vulpes: mod6: which deps?
ben_vulpes: ergo, qt. at first, at least.
ben_vulpes: but when you're taught that the right solution to all problems is to do it by hand, with the tools handed one by authority, unlearning that is hard
ben_vulpes: not at all
ben_vulpes: constraint problems, too?
ben_vulpes: i: solved quadratics by hand because programming solvers was taught to me to be cheating
ben_vulpes: you: grew up on lisp machine lore
ben_vulpes: well, consider all the things i've been unlearning
ben_vulpes: but i don't see any roadblocks at this time.
ben_vulpes: i still depend on the qt client. need to come up with a workflow that works for the 0.5.3 client.
ben_vulpes: i'm transitioning backwards asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> anyway, the consensus seems to be 6.3 ? << i've yet to hear a compelling argument for anything past 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: although let's be clear, i was just browsing the release notes. if there were breaking changes merged in since then, this'd be a lulzy way to surface them.
ben_vulpes: <othernubs`> ben_vulpes, speaketh << nothing strictly necessary post 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: yeah i'll take free credit for no work
ben_vulpes: hussling? is this some odd mix of hassling and hustling?
ben_vulpes: functional inputs vastly more important though
ben_vulpes: mod6: lol "functional" as in the programming style or "functional" in that "kinda sorta mebbe works"
ben_vulpes: mod6: let me know what style inputs you have
ben_vulpes: pull the latest from cascadianhacker.com if you'd be so kind
ben_vulpes: mod6: i'd be thrilled if you'd test it for me. i've been testing it against an amazon image, but more eyes etc etc etc
ben_vulpes: mod6: it's what was in production during that 0.5.3 release
ben_vulpes: configuring instances by hand is not allowed, emacs or no
ben_vulpes: now that just goes too goddamn far i tell you
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/istib/helm-aws << ahahahaha
ben_vulpes: nail that sticks up gets smacked down, as the nips say
ben_vulpes: why so as to not get whacked
ben_vulpes: occasional 0.5.3 node may advertise itself as 0.9 for reasons of camoflauge
ben_vulpes: i think its sanely factored. far more so than pankakke's obfuscated bash competition entry.
ben_vulpes: i'd love your code review as well sir
ben_vulpes: yeah, take a look
ben_vulpes: hehe
ben_vulpes: it's not meant for curl2sudo broheims
ben_vulpes: what, is my personal site not adequate?
ben_vulpes: mod6: glad you like it!
ben_vulpes: decimation: how would one ever know?
ben_vulpes: they're running out of levers to drive adoption otherwise
ben_vulpes: my 0.5.3 node hasn't barfed yet
ben_vulpes digs through notes as well
ben_vulpes: decimation: why 0.6?
ben_vulpes: what is this, late bettor hour?
ben_vulpes: guessing after the reveal
ben_vulpes: lol
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/21_instructions-on-building-bitcoin-053-from-source-on-debian-6-squeeze.html
ben_vulpes: no fith
ben_vulpes: commitments
ben_vulpes: deadlines
ben_vulpes: features
ben_vulpes: oop kakobrekla making product mistakes
ben_vulpes: i plead the fith
ben_vulpes: ah jesus what happened to my maths
ben_vulpes: unhackable
ben_vulpes: assbot must run on lisp machines
ben_vulpes: foo\amazingh
ben_vulpes: fooamazingh
ben_vulpes: foomazingh
ben_vulpes: gotta wait for the shartup to come along claiming "zeroth best amazingth" i guess now
ben_vulpes: i don't think these are exclusive
ben_vulpes: year 0
ben_vulpes: "the first year"
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 2014 - 2009
ben_vulpes: what d'you have for us, KayTheFlower?
ben_vulpes: say please and thank you
ben_vulpes: !up KayTheFlower
ben_vulpes: puts us in the fifth year of our savior satoshi
ben_vulpes: jan 3rd, 2009
ben_vulpes: http://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f
ben_vulpes: block zero
ben_vulpes: can we start counting in years since the first coinbase yet?
ben_vulpes: irc.serenissima.butts when
ben_vulpes: pwahahaha
ben_vulpes: ;;ud french cleaning
ben_vulpes: look ma, problems?
ben_vulpes: rm -rf / solves all problems
ben_vulpes doesn't actually know c - the horror!
ben_vulpes: 1 warning, but i think it's fine: https://www.refheap.com/92127
ben_vulpes: xCXXFLAGS=....$(HARDENING)
ben_vulpes: HARDENING=fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector
ben_vulpes: kinda looks like that's in there already, jurov
ben_vulpes: ah k
ben_vulpes: -f-stack-protector?
ben_vulpes: jurov: what was the stack smashing you were talking about recently?
ben_vulpes: (as fine as the cpp bitcoin turd can be)
ben_vulpes: no it's fine absolutely fine everything is fine
ben_vulpes: i can paste for you.
ben_vulpes: no, it makes sensible output.
ben_vulpes: i have no idea what's actually *in* the thing.
ben_vulpes: the compiler poops a binary onto disk.
ben_vulpes: oh sorry, too much brevity.
ben_vulpes: no idea what's in the turd.
ben_vulpes: compiler poops
ben_vulpes: well
ben_vulpes: build passes
ben_vulpes: libqrencode-dev purged
ben_vulpes: but baby steps
ben_vulpes: all of a sudden i want to rip SSL out as well
ben_vulpes: no, leftover from my experiments with 0.6
ben_vulpes: oooh
ben_vulpes: later pete
ben_vulpes: updated with a blank assignation for UPNP: https://www.refheap.com/92126
ben_vulpes: i ripped the assignation line out entirely. later there's an ifndef that assigns it to the hyphen.
ben_vulpes: in the makefile?
ben_vulpes: so forgive my c makefile naivte, but is there a difference between an USE_UPNP= and just not declaring the variable?
ben_vulpes: later they introduced the hyphen, that apparently wasn't a thing at 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: well it builds quite happily.
ben_vulpes: i want to compile without it. period. full stop.
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: i'm reading in doc/build-unix.txt that the options are USE_UPNP=, USE_UPNP=0 and USE_UPNP=1
ben_vulpes: oh oh
ben_vulpes: Apocalyptic: do let me know if there's a good reason to keep UPNP in there.
ben_vulpes: do I?
ben_vulpes: rips out UPNP support.
ben_vulpes: yup.
ben_vulpes: code review, please: https://www.refheap.com/92123
ben_vulpes: it'd be neat if he'd differentiate between Bitcoin the reference implementation which is bug-ridden and shitty, and Bitcoin the protocol which doesn't exist.
ben_vulpes: ya there we go
ben_vulpes: but i keep coming back to "i only want to know the balances and histories of these addresses"
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to think of sensible use cases
ben_vulpes: "accounts" in btc wallets are kind of stupid, right?
ben_vulpes: still working through the changelog
ben_vulpes: decimation: i imagined something like that, yeah.
ben_vulpes does not actually understand how the infinite layers of the modern v.n. architecture does it's nasty business.
ben_vulpes: as opposed to BDB
ben_vulpes: was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history?
ben_vulpes: i'm sure it matters to someone
ben_vulpes: "oh nine three"
ben_vulpes: and i never say the decimal
ben_vulpes: i'd probably say "oh nine", but i should write "a 0.9..."
ben_vulpes: i'm retarded, it's fine
ben_vulpes: ah hue
ben_vulpes: wouldn't it be "a zero"?
ben_vulpes: syllabic efficiency
ben_vulpes: if an 0.9 *node*...
ben_vulpes: if 0.9 says "this txn sucks!" but an 0.6 miner included it, this takes us right to a hard fork
ben_vulpes: no it's totally in the transaction processing rules
ben_vulpes: so: isStandard() - this is not related to blockchain and transaction processing rules, correct?
ben_vulpes: varnish is okay
ben_vulpes: "news" is all slant
ben_vulpes: ya got it
ben_vulpes: salad
ben_vulpes: all i have is the github repo
ben_vulpes: does anyone in la serenissima have a copy of the bitcoin repository of june 2012 vintage?
ben_vulpes: jurov: i'm just trying to build 0.6.3 the way it seems to want building
ben_vulpes: it would be expedient to download miniupnpc 1.6 from http://miniupnp.free.fr/files/ but what do to prevent mitm of that source?
ben_vulpes: am i reading this (https://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/miniupnpc) correctly? debian backports only has miniupnpc-1.5?
ben_vulpes: write-tracking os when
ben_vulpes: or
ben_vulpes: immutable os when
ben_vulpes: undata:
ben_vulpes: i see only abstractions that help manage one set of complexities while making more complexities.
ben_vulpes: undata: i see no security value add.
ben_vulpes: could be dog
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> wait, so PinkPosixPXE is a GIRL ?!?!?! << this was not obvious?
ben_vulpes: from the derpotron: https://blocksign.com/
ben_vulpes: paha
ben_vulpes: can't speak to the hasids or historically, but definitely in my experience.