asciilifeform: as just another 'package'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: my plan is to fit bitcoind & its deps in there
asciilifeform: nubbins`: it's what i'm building the whole shebang (as seen in turdel) with
decimation: because the whole thing is predicated on 'usg prints money true/false'
decimation: well these days bonds and stocks trade as one
mircea_popescu: options are rarely the way to go for something like that.
mircea_popescu: it always seems remarkable when the sec comes out with "oh, clearly they had insider info, held 90% of this improbable strike". but if you go combing over the market, you'll see lots of similar situations all the time.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 21:28:26; jurov: " is set to become the world’s first trading platform with a direct connection to the classic banking system" davout perhaps you may something to say about that?
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072986 << everyone's going to be the first guy to stick a finger in teenaged pussy. FOREVER.
decimation: one of them might be a laser
decimation: it has some kind of other gun on its left 'arm'
asciilifeform: (speaking of the black barrel)
asciilifeform: if the thing is to be given to 'civilians'
decimation: this is why half the 'cloud' shit even exists
decimation: gulz at your party gonna configure their services
decimation: the router that runs nat and has a firewall you mean?
asciilifeform: the demo turdel dhcp's, yes
asciilifeform: and can't imagine i'm the only one
decimation: why not an init with the auto-kill while loop
mircea_popescu: fun fact : you can acutally hand-load the entropy pool.
asciilifeform: normal box has at least the entropic component of cpu vs real time clock frequency drift.
asciilifeform: the men, i mean
mircea_popescu: save in very narrow conditions (say, the it dept)
mircea_popescu: afaik the way this works is, there's someone in management who's not retarded, cultivates these.
asciilifeform: or with own management, which largely functions to insulate it from the nominal management.
asciilifeform: decimation: the basic 'meta' picture in my head is the small group inside virtually any gigantic and ossified organization that actually gets things done
asciilifeform: can't say the sachs thing is a living animal. but a bone, with just enough meat on it to be worth picking up.
mircea_popescu: i hear this is how they get laid, too.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072854 << i suspect you're confused as to the meaning of at least one word in there :D
asciilifeform: the paper-pushers - undoubtedly.
decimation: asciilifeform: perhaps, but I can't imagine that the employees look much different than the post office today
asciilifeform: decimation: the historic, self-admitted 'national character' of cia (as described in their authorized histories, note) is as a gang of 'younger sons' of old-money lords in usa. on account of the elementary fact that these were the only possible recruits because no one else was cultured or spoke languages.
decimation: one is confused why the cia would bother to find such a complex excuse to be embarassed and embarass others
asciilifeform: i suppose we'll see if there is a gnome with a hand-edited 'google blackhole' chart, soon enough
decimation: the cryptome 'letter' is also lulzy
mircea_popescu: the cryptome piece itself is indexed (if one looks by "last week" results)
asciilifeform: notably, did not see the document linked on cryptome
asciilifeform: but yes, did see the pics
mircea_popescu: do you wish to see the html ?
asciilifeform: of the kind google is famous for
mircea_popescu: includes > dozen pics of the same bespectacled fellow
asciilifeform: then follow link
mircea_popescu: check it out, alf is a tachyon. has read the future.
mircea_popescu: afaik they do not any longer
mircea_popescu: understand, it does not take MUCH for an inept derp on the margin of his sanity to lose internet access.
asciilifeform: that'd be the one time it worked
mircea_popescu: maybe they pursued a defamation suit, sent c&ds around ?
asciilifeform: speaking of the snowden thing here
asciilifeform: and i would have never seen it had he not written a letter to cryptome (see other link)
mircea_popescu: the jew baiting letter was 2000 iirc
mircea_popescu: he's not insane, he's just been angry for too long. except im pretty sure he has both these.
asciilifeform: where is the sachs version of #b-a ?
asciilifeform: even 'yandex' returns somewhere between 1 and 3 hits for him (depending on luck of the draw)
asciilifeform: was trying to say, that sachs is successfully censored, for the most part
asciilifeform: the 'futile' part
asciilifeform: if any of his biographical material is to be believed, he's been at the futile soapbox thing for decades.
mircea_popescu: IT WAS HISTORICALLY THEIRS
mircea_popescu: srsly, i am so disappoint the french are not like, being invaded.
assbot: What we know about Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of Germanwings Flight 9525 - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4X1H )
asciilifeform: unrelated >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2015/03/26/what-we-know-about-andreas-lubitz-the-co-pilot-of-the-germanwings-plane-crash/?tid=pm_world_pop << omg1111!!!11 wr3ck3rz!!
mircea_popescu: why should HE discuss what other people say ?
mircea_popescu: if he disavows any, the rest can now stand on your "didn't disavow me!!1"
mircea_popescu: if he universally ignores th egarbage, the garbage has to stand on its own
mircea_popescu: imo that is the correct strategy.
asciilifeform: never disavowed the garbage
decimation: asciilifeform: another good point, why didn't he use pgp to verify his information?
asciilifeform: to be fair, it isn't like his other communiques are pgp-signed.
mircea_popescu: the guy is not actually pushing tor and that promise was a fake acct.
decimation: asciilifeform: the oddest thing about snowden is the reddit-esque faith he had in the media to 'start a conversation'
mircea_popescu: is that the exact quote you meant or different ?
asciilifeform: that was on the actual account.
mircea_popescu: An even more apocalyptic promise says: On November 22, in cooperation with journalists from around the world, I will reveal who really killed President John F. Kennedy.)
mircea_popescu: (The Snowden on the fake Twitter account is offering even more sensational revelations: I can confirm that Barack Obama worked for the CIA in the 80s, helping to stage a coup against the Fiji government.
asciilifeform: 'On November 22, in cooperation with journalists from around the world, I will reveal who really killed President John F. Kennedy.'
assbot: Did Snowden grep the NSA docs for JFK yet? Just wondering since I'm in Dallas today :-)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, the 'snowden twitter' did
asciilifeform: they go home, and become pliant administrators, dreaming of sending the childrenz to usa
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:59:01; asciilifeform: from his pushing tor, to promising to reveal 'who plugged jfk', to countless other distractions
asciilifeform: tendrils of usg in the turd world
mircea_popescu: iirc there's no jew quota at harvard.
asciilifeform: actually they keep a certain number of such characters around
mircea_popescu: what, his dad built the clocktower ?
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. your thesis is that he's like obama, there for "extracurricular" reasons ?
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:52:58; asciilifeform: he is not a master of the english language.
trinque: my mother will be so proud
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Gotta check the German story first
mircea_popescu: now ima have to make another thing!
mircea_popescu: trinque no dude, you just blew the whole shebang wide open.
decimation: lol the 10 viewers of german basketball will be disappoint
trinque: mircea_popescu: the context was a point about being able to frame any situation in ever more paranoid terms
mircea_popescu: i don't think that text works without the necessary "bouncing wall" effect a properly conspiratorial mindset provides.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they could trivially be stated about you << just about anything could be. and folks would believe it, too.
mircea_popescu: for one, they could trivially be stated about you. for the other, srsly ? this is a claim now ?
decimation: all of which happen with or without their help
asciilifeform: decimation: sure he does. in his picture, snowden (but especially the greenwald gang) lead genuine defectors to perdition 2) lead public to use 'blackphones', 'redphones', and misc. garbage 3) drum up a general sense of dread and 'the walls have ears'
mircea_popescu: heck, all the reddit brigading is essentially this, "you can blackball nobodies by banging on a lot of pots and pans!"
decimation: re: sachs < he fails to assert why the cia benefits from anything assange or snowden are doing, while the media gets moar clicks
mircea_popescu: it "always works", they thought, so why not.
mircea_popescu: notice the recent lulzy failure of fetlife to "throw its weight around".
mircea_popescu: it'd trivially work, again, if the target is anon with a wp account or w/e.
mircea_popescu: like the qntra ddos stuff was informative re wp etc
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:43:11; asciilifeform: the most testable hypothesis is that google systematically blackholes him
mircea_popescu: so you know, one can check these claims
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 18:40:56; nubbins`: Very respectfully yours, Dr Les (Leslie - Leszek) Sachs - Scholar of the history of law and religion, with 7 earned academic degrees from 3 universities, the first two from Harvard University, alongside many US leaders;
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072743 << i wish they'd start publishing these as gpg signed statemewnts.
asciilifeform: as it shortens the test loop when you start screwing with it in earnest
nubbins`: asciilifeform i'm not normally this slow on the uptake but generally unfamiliar w/ replacing kernels
mircea_popescu: i just sunk your theory! i want a candy! omfg EVERYONE TURNING INTO MP
nubbins`: $5 says they get someone else to install it for em
decimation: note she won the 0.1 btc lottery and apparently thought that nothing else would come of it
nubbins`: mircea_popescu email the smartest journalist in .ar and tell em youve got a bombshell, but they need pgp
asciilifeform: usually if someone has the basic nervous system needed to operate the machine at all, he -can-
mircea_popescu: in either case...
mircea_popescu: either indiancandies or else, assets.
mircea_popescu: it boggles the mind to try and imagine what this thing that pays for the divergence would look like,
decimation: at least the lottery is voluntary wealth distribution
mircea_popescu: NOTEVEN DOOM MUSIC! in the shape of government handouts
decimation: well, apparently not the lottery
asciilifeform: the genuine article doesn't have time or microphone to whine
decimation: possibly, perhaps fat bitches, husbands, secs really can be otherwise
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: believe or not, i haven't the time
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If your shiva eyes/hands have the time the citizenfour thing doesn't actually promote the innocence of any parties features, but clearly illustrates Greenwald's shitgnommery
mircea_popescu: but in general, given the choice between "a flawed study few can recognise as flawed" and "no study", pseudo-scientists readily (and understandably, from a gt perspective) go for the former.
asciilifeform: (they don't play)
asciilifeform: decimation: ^ known around the world
mircea_popescu: lottery has nothing to do with either income or wealth.
decimation: someone who wins the swedish lottery could be a better person
decimation: ^ writing about winning the swedish lottery
asciilifeform out of date then
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> <asciilifeform> does s ever -mention- pgp? << Snowden mentions GPG all of the time, Greenwald mentions tor all of the time << exactly apt description.
decimation: The effects on most other child outcomes, which include drug consumption, scholastic performance, and skills, can usually be bounded to a tight interval around zero. ^ http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-null-hypothesis-for-income-and-wealth/
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> does s ever -mention- pgp? << Snowden mentions GPG all of the time, Greenwald mentions tor all of the time
mircea_popescu: wife could stop being a fat bitch and husband could stop ejaculating early and watching the game.
decimation: but the cactus seemed like a better option
decimation: usg could fire 90% of its staff, rationalize its tax system, and start colonizing the world
mircea_popescu: well sure, in the sense someone raping himself with a cactus is "self-imposedly damaging his anus"
mircea_popescu: perhaps in the "we can't send anyone to tikrit" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you see the costs for THAT yet alf ?
mircea_popescu: decimation let me guess, he tried to wreck by having the trains overloaded so they will run the tracks down faster ?
assbot: CIA official who directed hunt for bin Laden is being removed from post - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOkH8O )
decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/architect-of-cias-drone-campaign-to-leave-post-in-watershed-moment-for-agency/2015/03/25/261289ec-d2f7-11e4-ab77-9646eea6a4c7_story.html < this is probably what happens to them
mircea_popescu: maddox's "dancing party" thing much more adequate for the demo.
jurov: mod6 ben_vulpes where will the manual go? i can put a wiki somewhere
mircea_popescu: decimation if nothing else, he has done A LOT to measure the power of the entire "crowd source" "power of the people" etc thing.
asciilifeform: decimation: the state-controlled media fellates him 24/7
mircea_popescu: but the thing stil lin flux
mircea_popescu: TomServo sorta in the middle here, we're just about to have danielpbarron write a noobs manual
asciilifeform: TomServo: you don't have to solder the serial port if you're careful
TomServo: there's been so many links flying around. What's the quickest way to defile one of these after cracking it open?
mircea_popescu: to my head, the phrase aptly describes that piece which goes "contains ad admixture of true and trite, but what isn't trite also isn't true"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me put it this way : given a collection of dots, why would anyone care on the graphs built upon them by anyone not in their wot ? you know this guy ?
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072639 << using the word "this" in your sentence exposes you to this situation where your line is burried in a different discussion and evaluated while im in the middle of a yet another different discussion, producing a "wut ?" as sole output.
mircea_popescu: the us has no friends today, principally, because of snowden.
mircea_popescu: there's numerous examples of very similar things.
mircea_popescu: i've not seen anything this damaging to the us foreign interests in the history of the us.
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:23:52; nubbins`: anyway, you're correct in that nothing leaked was particularly damaging to the lizards
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yfw | yfw you realize every one of the previous definitions are wrong ... "Hey YFW, been trying to call you all day" (A substitute for the friendly form of 'bitch'.) Or..
mircea_popescu: this by definition : the same thing that'd make you buy hisass (ie, his "personal brand") ensures he has an alternative, however minimal.
asciilifeform: then begging
mircea_popescu: sure, we could even argue the collapse was inevitable, and while the particular incident gives it flavour, the us was going to soviet union all over itself anyway.
asciilifeform: something like ted turner turning tricks in a bangkok gay bar to buy a bowl of rice every other day - would count
mircea_popescu: by this standard, the wtc bombing also did nothing.
mircea_popescu: "this bomb did nothing, inasmuch as it didn't bring down any of the currently standing buildings"
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 17:21:02; asciilifeform: that is, why not a single one of the 'leaks' actually damaged any tangible lizard interest
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072613 << anyway, this only works if one's willing to arrange the definition of tangible and interest after the fact.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i think he means 'he led the nsa device catalogue leaker to his anthill death' << The part of citizenfour filmed in Russia seems to support this hypothesis
mircea_popescu: heck, kakobrekla heard a mouthful over his "leading derps into trying to steal from other bettors" or what was it, the bitbet scam thing.
asciilifeform: but if it appears to happen to every user, then it will be quite analogous to mr s
mircea_popescu: maybe the real snowden is actually idiosyncratic. ya think this is possible ? "nobody did this, except this one guy, but he couldn't have done it because his behaviour is inconsistent"
asciilifeform: i think he means 'he led the nsa device catalogue leaker to his anthill death'
mircea_popescu: "asciilifeform: 'Assange and Snowden are cold or actively insulting and hostile << mp has insulted women, gays, black people and social workers. clearly he's a fake cia mp pretending to be the real mp.
mircea_popescu: a claim that's tested in a restated from should be divorced from the original.
mircea_popescu: "those jews are so obvious! after killing christ, they're now blabla"
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2015 16:14:42; asciilifeform: 'As they say, 'you cannot make these things up', the Americans are so ridiculously obvious as they conduct criminal deceptions. The CIA's 'Watergate' scheme to destroy Richard Nixon 40 years ago, was so successfully with the fake 'brave reporter' Woodward, that the CIA even decided to use Woodward's junior partner as a fake 'brave reporter' along with Greenwald in 'Operation Fake Dissident Snowden'.'
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boid | Boid is an anagram for the phrase "blacked out in a ditch." The last two letters can be substituted for any number of different things, such as boib or boor (blacked ...
jurov: myeah nubs did the book too "dogs of newfoundland and labrador" or such
nubbins`: mcdonald's sues the humble potato after it is revealed it's just a bunch of goddamn fries all stuck together
mircea_popescu: because it naturally infringes the kfc ip.
mircea_popescu: we dub it The Infringer
nubbins`: w/e, it'll get picked up in the monthly roundup :D
mircea_popescu: jurov notice the very heavy bias for she-stuff in b-a ? womanly job gets shares, manly job gets bupkiss
jurov: nubbins`: yup, there
mircea_popescu: these all are the why in the exact sense girl you picked up in a club stiff drunk is havin sex with you because she liked your record collection and loves your hair
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't see the fear component ? recall teh discussion re buses and the fate of war in afghanistan ?
asciilifeform: they aren't rolling out the robots because they fear. but to save cost of a few stormtroopers' life insurance
mircea_popescu: or in another approach, "asciilifeform:'The laughable CIA story we are asked to swallow, is that the US regime is doing zero against Omidyar, " << we are similarly asked to believe the cia story that the us is doing zero against saudi arabia, which... you know ? or whoever else off a long list. they're not doing zero, they're doing "their best", which is what it is.
asciilifeform: i don't see the fear component here
mircea_popescu: that the enemy starts suddenly firing like mad is not indicative of his strength. for one thing, bullets are scarce. for the other thing, fear is the end of this game.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's approach this in perhaps a more comprehensible set of terms. end of the world situation, you're behind a wall of sand sacks, enemy behind another. you got two guys left with you, was a full regiment at some point. enemy, unknown.
nubbins`: i think they're making a movie about him now.
nubbins`: makes the province spend countless tens of thousands
nubbins`: there you go
jurov: looks like outlook wordwrapped or otherwise mutilated it
nubbins`: he shoots at robot, cops try smoke bombs, then thousands of gallons of water from fire hoses (!!!)
mircea_popescu: just like the cataphract is a logical step to the escalation of ... THE END OF FEUDALISM!
mircea_popescu: we discussed some time ago the problem with decimation, re shot cops.
nubbins`: there's this famous guy here, leo crockwell. put a gun to his sister's head a few years ago
mircea_popescu: it sends exactly the opposite message.
mircea_popescu: the notion that "sucidal resistence" is deterring anyone has had so much debunking recently...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: really it is done to make the idea of meaningful (as opposed to merely suicidal; so they hose off the pavement & everybody goes back to work) resistance less and less thinkable
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: note how it follows quite exactly the cure blueprint discussed above.
mircea_popescu: trinque honestly, this is why i believe the arming of police units with military stock is even done. it makes sense from a "after the end" perspective : you want two mostly balanced forces, because that's your best chance at more or less peaceful stability.
mircea_popescu: the stripping is something we agreed aforehand to do just to see what her reaction is ?
mircea_popescu: so, i am a famously grandiose master of women. and a junior girl aspiring one day to the grandiose status of being my slave goes with me and some of the girls to the opera. lights go off, the girls take off their tops all matter-of-course like. she follows suit. why ? and then, afterwards, we discuss it over coffee and cookies. they are enamoured with it. so is she. why ? her "tabs" haven't been leaked, right ? what if
trinque: what admittedly worries me is an event where the military side detaches from the braindead side entirely
trinque: seems the whole military side can't be considered in absence of the side which can't form one coherent thought
trinque: not trying to derail what's an excellent convo without me; is for example the ease with which us politicians are bought by *any* paying interest relevant here?
asciilifeform: there is not a public display of this. ergo 'pwner' did not see it fit to do this.
asciilifeform: but some with better grounding than others
mircea_popescu: the fact that you don't is perhaps one of the most perplexing characteristics of your otherwise amply perplexing persona.
asciilifeform: if it didn't in the same sense of 'didn't' as elsewhere in usg, i would know
asciilifeform: it 'works' for them in the sense that no nsa-crypto directorate leaks. no meaningful cia leaks. perhaps they use 'underwood' typewriters instead of microshit ?
mircea_popescu: and yet... what can they do ?
mircea_popescu: take a simple thing : they all know ms is shit.
mircea_popescu: what can they do ?