mircea_popescu: Chillum has it, the current credit card is no sort of broad idea or innovation or anything. just an overgrown gift card.
Chillum: it is just a way to introduce the public to an idea
trinque: instead of the "btc for latte" situation
nubbins`: who'd sell them though?
Chillum: call it foodcoin so they are not scared
nubbins`: or they could be like "paying customers only" :D
nubbins`: sure, unless the overflow business is paying in worthless scrip.
nubbins`: keep in mind that X went out of business because they were broke.
nubbins`: given that most of the certs were prob for $50-100, how much of a balance would YOU rack up before you stopped honoring them?
nubbins`: danielpbarron restaurant X goes outta business. X strikes up a deal with Y and Z: if they accept X's gift certs, they'll be reimbursed.
Chillum: if the piper is running a raspberry pi then it is far from bricked. Just reimage the sd card with raspbian then plug it into ethernet, nmap for port 22 and login user/password pi/raspbian
nubbins`: fake printhead
nubbins`: you just gotta swap the rubber stoppers to maintain pressure
Chillum: that is the way to go
Chillum: nice, does it have the secondary reservoir so you can keep printing when you switch out the bottles, or is it a fill from the top system?
Chillum: I am trying to find a place with an extra room for a workspace but nothing really available. After the university lets out I may have more like
nubbins`: then you get a CISS from cobra inks
nubbins`: Chillum they're like $300! get one
Chillum: I want to invest in a wide format printer and a laser cutter. I just have nowhere to put them
Chillum: you need to replace the DVD tray with a card tray from a Chinese company that also sells the blank cards
Chillum: The EPPSON R280 is what you want
Chillum: images need to be converted into 2 bit bitmap but there are examples online
Chillum: dirt cheap, but don't get the printouts hot
Chillum: the python library makes it fairly easy to use too
Chillum: Before I was using a perl script that made a png that I printed on my laser printer and deleted. Sooo copy on my hard drive, copy on my printer, copy going over my network to the printer. I said "There has to be a better way"
Chillum: nubbins`: If I gave out bitcoin samples it would be in the form of a coupon that expires. If you just give out wallets half the people will throw them out
Chillum: I did a scan for keystrings and did not find them
Chillum: unlimited keys with the advantage of backup.
Chillum: If you want that then use a deterministic wallet
Chillum: if you limit your generator to a smaller keyspace that you precompute then you don't need a backchannel of communications
Chillum: Still, I will always write my own paper wallet software that uses vanitygen. You never know if some 3rd party programmed it to only make 500 million keys and has then precomputed
Chillum: looks like the same printer too
Chillum: you can get the parts way cheaper
Chillum: I started with a fresh OS and wrote the bitcoin wallet printer
Chillum: it is using the hwrng in a raspberry pi
Chillum: asciilifeform: This is what started nubbins` and I on the conversation: http://static.highinbc.com/20150313_194522.jpg
Chillum: other than auditability how could one detect a subtle failure?
Chillum: they have a limited number of writes
Chillum: lol, that zap switch will burn out the EPROM if used for too long
asciilifeform: actually the most glaring flaw with virtually all hardware rng is lack of auditability.
assbot: S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NlHY0Q )
nubbins`: anyway, poor asciilifeform has been testing the cardano boards like a madman lately
Chillum: in the eyes of assbot
nubbins`: then /msg assbot !verify <decrypted otp>
nubbins`: say, you in the wot?
Chillum: while the average rate of radioactive decay is predictable the actual moment of a given decay is very uncertain
Chillum: the radioactive decay looks like it has issues but that is likely due to the sampling methodology
Chillum: one must run the same test many times on different data, only if a test is failing reliably or more than likely by chance is there a problem
nubbins`: (not the sparkfun one, that was a general share)
mod6: i like the BTC truck
assbot: A face-swap app registered the car's tire rim as a face... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gxec9q )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: jurov: http://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30d6h1/a_rbuttcoin_thread_about_changetip_you_should/cprl0nk << what the actual fuck?!?!?
nubbins`: so this truck was seen speeding towards the airport in ukraine earlier today: http://i.imgur.com/tu9LLzF.jpg
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> ;;later tell felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that. <<< big spender!
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> http://rapecloset.tumblr.com/post/114719086934/marla << apparently "rapecloset" exists. <<< "it isn't hard to get candy. all i do is go to granny's house, since granny keeps candy there for me. i mention that i love candy and wait. i've also used my aunt, left my mouth open, gone into a torpor, only to be awoken later by the gummy bears. some of the hottest food ever.
jurov: "China was unable to block Github because of the huge cost to its technology industry."
mircea_popescu: the only problem with that statement is that "a community" consisting of some third worlders hired by a local company hired by a vc flea hired by a usg flea is really not all that much.
mircea_popescu: ey actually being moved around on the blockchain. Essentially, ChangeTip is a Bitcoin-based startup that in no way utilizes Bitcoin, save for the fanatical frenzy of the community of bagholders.
mircea_popescu: More interestingly, ChangeTip doesn't even actually use Bitcoin -- it maintains a centralized, internal ledger of "who" has "how many bits" and then, when the user is ready to cash out, pockets the ledger-balance of "bits" and delivers dollars to their banking account. At no point in the entire process is a user does a user ever actually have to touch bitcoin, and at no point in the entire process of tipping is any mon
cazalla: mircea_popescu, only just started but the char creation has plenty of customization
cazalla: friday afternoon, beer and the release of pillars of eternity.. gg!
mircea_popescu: the ambiguity makes for a good pic neh ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: is the new trilema header of you with a jacket over your shoulder or are you pointing at the camera/reader ?
mircea_popescu: introducing... the electric rapestation. http://40.media.tumblr.com/624a2dd83f83285420502e29365132e7/tumblr_nix7jyFzTs1u2j8oyo1_1280.jpg
gribble: Secularization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularization>; secularisation - definition of secularisation by The Free Dictionary: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/secularisation>; Secularisation Theory: Will Modern Society Reject Religion? What is ...: <http://www.humanreligions.info/secularisation.html>
mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/c21187c5471edd7c3b5aa85b967902fc/tumblr_ndhj805tOr1r59rt8o1_1280.jpg
pete_dushenski: this just being in the context of trends ? or how else can it be used ? other than "secular society"
mircea_popescu: in general it should mean either, if used as a time indication, to do with centuries, or else, esp if used in a religious setting, a synonym for "temporal", ie, not divine.
pete_dushenski: either way, ty.
pete_dushenski: aok. i'd heard the term, but it never really meant anything to me
mircea_popescu: had some success... in the 90s.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 03:42:59; mircea_popescu: who was the guy with the "short" fund, had some of the horrid0est results ever. i recall discussed here maybe cca 2013
pete_dushenski: maybe their hair ?
mircea_popescu: i think they just burned like a bale orsomething.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 03:40:12; mircea_popescu: entire fucking building reeks of pot. these people...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell felipelalli tell you what, if you can prove ownership of a btc address, you can have 1% of whatever's in there as a loan, for short intervals, interest free. how about that.
pete_dushenski: and not the least bit supported by history
pete_dushenski: either way, the hygienic hypothesis for circumcision, shellfish, and trichinella breeders is very modern.
mircea_popescu: i suppose cutting bits of genitals is the sort of thing that's interesting enough to explain itself,
pete_dushenski: other than "do this to prove your faith"
mircea_popescu: i thought that was the idea behind "hygienic" circumcision
pete_dushenski: so ya, there's "no colour, no gender" etc.
pete_dushenski: the jewish thinking being: if we're all the same, no one will notice that jews != gentiles
mircea_popescu: chiefly by us - the socialist entity most threatened in its socialism.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, once one end's threatened, tptb would increase the pressure on the sore spot - hence all the realignment behind palestine these days.
mircea_popescu: in this worldview, the completely insane political construction of "the state of israel" suddenly makes sense, and a lot of it. key to perpetuating the welfare state - no peace in palestine.
mircea_popescu: which may even explain the "civilised world" obsession with same, if one subscribes to the theory that hey, said world's been doing nothing but cribbing the jews since whatever, 500ad.
mircea_popescu: overcompensation if you will, against the thing that produced the "train ticket sold for diamonds" as well as the "i'm fine, even have caviar, what if the world is coming apart"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking on the ghetto stuff... it would perhaps not be inconceivable that the contemporaneous jewish obsession with socialism is derived from the utter failure of their previous, individualistic, capitalist approach.
assbot: Logged on 27-03-2015 00:13:13; mircea_popescu: the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline.
pete_dushenski: wd on the logs today gents!
mircea_popescu: it's a hash innit ? shitty one but nevertheless
mircea_popescu: read the clerk in shop part.
asciilifeform: 'Horrifying snippets of it have appeared over the years: a starving child dying on the streets of the Ghetto while other Jews walk by or still others dine on meals at well stocked restaurants that never existed' '
assbot: <em>A Film Unfinished</em>: The Warsaw Ghetto As Seen Through Nazi Eyes | Richard Z. Chesnoff ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwY1DA )
asciilifeform: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-z-chesnoff/ema-film-unfinishedem-the_b_682030.html? << i watched this film. and i happen to know how to read, and know that the restaurants existed.
mircea_popescu: that is to say, for some reason if left to their own devices jews especially in europe dwelled in the most insalubrious, asian arrangements conceivable.
mircea_popescu: by the way : it is perhaps worth pointing out, for the benefit of the younger who certainly do not read, and understand even less than what they read, that the jewish ghetto was a ghetto before hitler.
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 22:21:49; asciilifeform: 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. "here, have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease!"' - warsaw ghetto
mircea_popescu: i mean why not buy a can of sprayable cheese then ?
asciilifeform: i suspect that most 'boat people' would actually rather be mircea_popescu, but you can go and buy a boat. you cannot buy 'be mircea_popescu'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sea is very poor solution ot this, seeing how its very demanding nature GUARANTEES you need other people.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why not "this casts doubt on the overall viability of the USD as a unit of account and medium of payment" etc ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can speak only for myself, but i live by 'hell is other people'
mircea_popescu: which seems akin to jews reacting to all the propaganda by building auschwitz by themselves.
asciilifeform: if it's 'get out of usg', this is rather like learning that your house has roaches and answering by looking for some small corner which, as of yet, does not have any roaches therein
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Lenin_named_square_-_Tashkent_1982.jpg << there. how about that lol.
asciilifeform: as a hypothetical
asciilifeform: usg is perfectly happy to magic into the right place
asciilifeform: aha and usg herbicide runs over the coke fields of colombia never happened ?
mircea_popescu: police is in town BECAUSE THOSE DERPS LIVED THERE ANYWAY
mircea_popescu: in ocean you, not being either fish or seal, drown.
asciilifeform: in alaska, or in greenland, or in the pacific ocean.
asciilifeform: if you start conducting anti-usg commerce there, your immediate vicinity will eventually get slightly less empty.
mircea_popescu: maybe a little bit in there of racial memory. "last time this worked we did it on boats"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i wonder why this island/boat/w/e thing is so appelaing. << Because hell is other people, "Get off my lawn", and other sorts of dissatisfaction with the rest of the human race
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> where there is something more to do than dig own grave << Like keep one's coffin afloat
asciilifeform: where there is something more to do than dig own grave
asciilifeform: and likes to imagine that there is a place to go
asciilifeform: you can already 'seize' a ship-sized 'island' from... the sea
decimation: asciilifeform: usg owns all the islands from hawaii to midway
decimation: and you are right, the enviro-nazis who heavily influence usg want to turn it into a forest precisely to suspend all law
decimation: " It is slightly larger than Australia's Great Barrier Reef Marine Park, approximately the size of the country of Germany, and just slightly smaller than Montana."
assbot: Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwRTLD )
asciilifeform: (there is a subculture of folks who imagine that going to see somehow rids you of usg)
asciilifeform: also recall the 'seastead' thread
decimation: in the case of pitcairn, it is 'self-governing' with 60 voters
mircea_popescu: you'd have to buy midway to get the 2k miles you want
mircea_popescu: sorry to disappoint the settlers.
mircea_popescu: we repurpose the extant one.
asciilifeform: or one of them, anyway, where i theorized that the bulk of mining power is produced in exactly this way
asciilifeform: in fact, this is quite like the thread from my first contact with #b-a
asciilifeform: i can see mircea_popescu's scenario playing out -with bribery- rather than elaborate crapware
mircea_popescu: and if they don't presently...
mircea_popescu: decimation i'll bet you they subcontract it away
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu might imagine that the fab is a largely automatic affair, but this is not so
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not more than say for your dr. lezzie theory above.
decimation: absolutely they do
asciilifeform: the number of not-entirely-brainless people that would have to be duped simultaneously is large.
mircea_popescu: decimation so ? they know it failed.
decimation: literally tens of thousands of indians/chinese are employed testing the output of each run
asciilifeform: no need to be a professional artillerist to see the absurdity of 'shoot everything that moves in the sea' hypothetical
asciilifeform: just when i didn't think that anyone could conceive of a less plausible scene than the island...
mircea_popescu: (and ftr, the island thing is laughable too. we're doing lolz here)
nubbins`: and another in bangor
nubbins`: asciilifeform it's like a blue jeans factory, they have a "factory seconds" shop out front
decimation: wait, I thought they were 'dual use'
asciilifeform: this is laughable to anyone who can be bothered to learn even the basics of how such a plant is run.
mircea_popescu: decimation buy them for scrap ?
mircea_popescu: most of them, anyway.
decimation: how do you gain title to the 100 units to get one working one?
mircea_popescu: decimation depends on the code.
decimation: except, the fab software in question doesn't 'fail' like a biological thing, it 'fails' like a fragile machine, as in - it doesn't work at all
nubbins`: duod the alien computers obv used compatible tech
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is about as plausible as the virus scene from the infamously bad film 'independence day'
mircea_popescu: did i ever recount the very early "special order" scam romanians got hit with ? in like 91 ?
asciilifeform: and it isn't 'coders' in the sense of monkeys but actual people, who would be required.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try to recall the thread where we illustrate that the entire extant ic fab ecosystem sits on two or three winblows-only turdwares that's easily 10,000 man-years each
mircea_popescu: much like un declared tyrants lose their bank accounts.
mircea_popescu: the price for trying to be "supergovernment" is that you lose your claim to title for anything you might "own"
asciilifeform: and trust the product from fraud ?
mircea_popescu: rather than "build his own"
mircea_popescu: decimation the best solution to his problem would seem to me, bribing someone to defraud an existing fab
asciilifeform: objection to a hypothetical 'locale doesn't matter'
asciilifeform: last i checked, there were no teleporters.
mircea_popescu: right. but you're in the wrong hundred.
mircea_popescu: this entire "i'd get an island" thing is not unlike the strange idea of the british troops to wear red.
asciilifeform: esp. not if said account lives among the folks you intend to blow up
asciilifeform: nubbins`: what a cosmographer does is even less tangible, but we owe a good chunk of early physics to them.
asciilifeform: decimation: lobbing rockets, etc. is a contest of who has the largest pet economy to milk
decimation: the point is, at 2000 miles it would be infeasible to 'fire on all sides'
mircea_popescu: and what happens once some schmoe makes the 2100 mile tomahawk ? you redeclare ?
decimation: declare the surrounding 2000 miles of sea to be territorial
mircea_popescu: you have to sink the ship befroe it fires.
decimation: well, presumably if they are firing on you from every steradian you have your rights
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: yes, and on an island you can be the one lobbing rockets at whatever ship/aircraft is lobbing rockets at you << no you can't. why do you think "international waters" are so important.
mircea_popescu: if you wish to be equity neutral the more common strategy is "buy the equities short the index" or vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: who was the guy with the "short" fund, had some of the horrid0est results ever. i recall discussed here maybe cca 2013
decimation: aye, you have to 'leap' from one ex date to the next
mircea_popescu: decimation options have a very strong time correlation. unless you have a very clear date in mind, they're not usually the right tool
mircea_popescu: entire fucking building reeks of pot. these people...
decimation: the whole problem of air defense becomes much simpler once you can enumerate goodness
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, and on an island you can be the one lobbing rockets at whatever ship/aircraft is lobbing rockets at you
decimation: cruise missiles are just as vulnerable as other aircraft
decimation: if people wanna use icbm's they are gonna have to be committed
decimation: the island is good because if you can operate a reasonable air and sea defense system, you are pretty well protected
asciilifeform: island only works if you have thermonukes ready to pop in every major enemy population centre and they know it.
asciilifeform: but this is rather like asking about that kind of martial colony would feel best
asciilifeform: and pet economy to feed the two.
asciilifeform: decimation: i don't think any lottery on the planet pays a tenth of what it'd cost.
decimation: asciilifeform: well if I win the swedish lottery I'll fund your fab
asciilifeform doesn't know for a fact whether he could tolerate it long-term
asciilifeform: the former
decimation: not that this would be of any use to the target audience
asciilifeform: the output is a kernel and a rootfs (in 'turdel', deliberately baked into one binary to simplify testing)
decimation: asciilifeform: ideally the thing would have a small lcd terminal for programming ips, keys, etc