mircea_popescu: get with the social media age alfie.
asciilifeform: so having a position on the matter feels odd
asciilifeform: can't speak for ben_vulpes, but no one came and asked me if the jets should be built
mircea_popescu: there's a reason that story of mine is set at a feast.
trinque: inverse of "starve the beast"
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure the woman is thinking, and im pretty sure this is what.
asciilifeform: at the risk of mixing metaphors, the battery is powered by burning the (remaining) furniture.
ben_vulpes: the more distracted by sexual inequality, gender inequality, income inequality, and the more attention they're paying to the management of the epic bureaucracy so built, the less time and energy will be devoted to the impending conflicts.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'heightening the contradictions' ?
ben_vulpes: "at least the cause has been moved forwards!"
asciilifeform: cazalla: iirc that's the default left by uboot
cazalla: while i await danielpbarron's response, anyone want to suggest why the pogo flashes green after following his guide after a reboot?
asciilifeform: who's they
trinque: man that chick... I bet she smells bad; they always do
mircea_popescu: in other news, pot makes one fat. proof inside : http://40.media.tumblr.com/45312d5667ec719da8582897f6e78cd4/tumblr_mj7tt10qNE1s78jo7o1_500.jpg
trinque: that's about all the monkey-football time I have for today
mod6: <+jurov> my mom was using "husqvarna" << they make my favorite chainsaws / best chainsaws imho
nubbins`: phun joke for people who work in offices: wander over to helpdesk and say "man, i found this usb stick in the parking lot and now my computer's acting /crazy/"
trinque: an ass hair, the same from a perspective
nubbins`: in fairness, the work behind presenting you a bash prompt is absurdly complex 8)
trinque: eh I know the drill
nubbins`: like on the order of 80%+
trinque: boost is the fire swamp
nubbins`: "By default this override file is named local.mk and located in the top directory of the Buildroot source tree, but a different location can be specified through the BR2_PACKAGE_OVERRIDE_FILE configuration option."
nubbins`: <+ascii_modem> nubbins': linux with disabled mmu id... msdos!! in the bad sense <<< omg this is why i shop here!
asciilifeform: vs the bizarre kabuki thing that i never imprinted on
asciilifeform: they look like actual gurlz
asciilifeform: not the bath, no
mircea_popescu: classical theme.
mircea_popescu: because girls playing in the bath ? lol.
asciilifeform: as in, there's a piraña pit trap door
asciilifeform: yeah i've for many years wanted to see the 'iq exam' thing automated
mircea_popescu: that way, the "willingness to do exam" is less divergent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion one even gets a choice in that matter is pernicious.
asciilifeform: the exam that only measures what it wants to measure and not first and mostly willingness-to-do-exam is not yet born
mircea_popescu: lmao! most expensive mit in the world. also only place in the world where mit grads can not use a battery to light a bulb.
mircea_popescu: What does that mean for U.S. employers hiring people born since 1980? Goodman notes that hiring managers shouldnt overestimate the practical value of a four-year degree. True, U.S. Millennials with college credentials did score higher on the PIAAC than Americans with only a high school diploma (albeit less well than college grads in most other countries).
trinque: asciilifeform: no, but of course all pollutants come to the party
trinque: I'm trying to find a figure on the number of USAians on psychiatric meds
mircea_popescu: the answer will be a uniform, resounding "because you're fucking stupid"
mircea_popescu: in any case, it's for the nine year olds we're even building all this wot bitcoin etc stack
ben_vulpes: actual problems to cut their teeth on.
mircea_popescu: however, the next one will probably shine.
mircea_popescu: anyway, human populations are not linear. the current twentysomething/late teens are completely discardable out of hand, like so much rag.
mircea_popescu: well... "gayness", the faux cultural homosexuality the us came up with to try and avoid facing the actual problem
trinque: mircea_popescu: the simple instructions bit is as much mental illness as it is literacy
mircea_popescu: Altogether, the top U.S. Gen Yers, in the 90th percentile, scored lower than their counterparts in 15 countries, the report notes, and only scored higher than their peers in Spain.
funkenstein_: ETS got a shock <-- the funny bit
asciilifeform: enormous compared to the tiny jeweler's saw i'm accustomed to
mircea_popescu: "Not only do Gen Y Americans lag far behind their overseas peers by every measure, but they even score lower than other age groups of Americans."
mircea_popescu: When the results were analyzed by age group and nationality, ETS got a shock. It turns out, says a new report, that Millennials in the U.S. fall short when it comes to the skills employers want most: literacy (including the ability to follow simple instructions), practical math, and hold on to your hat a category called problem-solving in technology-rich environments.
asciilifeform: mexican jail << possibly favourite of all the pics i've seen so far here
mircea_popescu: but hey, at least they challenged patriarchy.
asciilifeform set up enormous power saw, other things, back now
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TomServo: the apple case specifically
TomServo: ascii_modem | canary << was hoping this would be mentioned. So what is the value? zilch?
ben_vulpes: but this weird hairdo has the clap
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/e11f97d0aed79e6d22c67e293d63ecc3/tumblr_mx97scN9DM1s78jo7o1_1280.jpg << country bumpkin reaches california. first day, burn the tits. next day, burn the butt.
ascii_modem: canary << mega-lol, apple killed their canary. who noticed, who remembers now ?
ascii_modem: but yeah for uniquely impoverished archs there is mmuless linux
mircea_popescu: thanks god someone reads these logs o.O
mircea_popescu: what is it doing in linux then ?
ascii_modem: nubbins': linux with disabled mmu id... msdos!! in the bad sense
trinque: probably lots to be snipped out of the boost config
trinque: jurov: just running the auto.sh
jurov: it may be the default
trinque wonders what the fuck python headers have to do with boost
mircea_popescu: TomServo incidentally, they being your machines, you can take a hammer at parts.
mircea_popescu: i hope it has ssl. you know, for the api.
mircea_popescu: "HP iLO functions out-of-the-box without additional software installation regardless of the servers' state of operation giving you complete access to your server from any location via a web browser or the iLO Mobile App"
mircea_popescu: jurov "HP iLO - The preferred IT administrator in every ProLiant server" you fudster you.
TomServo: heh of course.. unfortunately.. these have it.
TomServo: I'm interested in the prospect in general.. the hardware availablity just being a perk. I was curious if there was legitmate interest in this hardware specifically.
jurov: you consider hosting because you got the gear offered, no?
TomServo: jurov: what do you mean 'not have the offer'?
trinque: ben_vulpes: "monkey humping a football" << couldn't be a more apt description of the process I used to get crossdev working with auto.sh
mircea_popescu: the czechs should totally go back to kingdom
mircea_popescu: but they use a shitty signature shceme and wtf, reference bitcoin block hashes already
jurov: or perhaps having both us and eu right from the start would be best
jurov: and if you did not have the offer, i can shop around here
jurov: physical hw location does not matter to me, can be the best korea or whatever
TomServo: jurov: Thoughts on the discussion so far?
trinque: "the government concedes that companies who have never received any kind of national-security request from the government and who are not bound by other nondisclosure provisions vis-à-vis the government may lawfully publish warrant canaries publicizing that fact."
TomServo: This being the 'warrant canary'?
mircea_popescu: but i guess you could do something like the traditional "We have received no unmentionable paperwork from local band of criminals" monthly announcement
TomServo: Right, so doing this in the US is simply untenable - no?
mircea_popescu: (either side's claim as to the criminality of the other being unresolvable, since no rule of law, since "secret proceedings")
mircea_popescu: at that point, you'll be in the lavamail seat. either you become complicit with the criminals, or else you'll be prosecuted by the criminals.
mircea_popescu: the one serious problem for you, or anyone else trying to do business in the us (say, cisco) is that sooner or later your government will try and rape you with those "secret legal proceedings" bs.
TomServo: Well I'll ponder it some more and welcome any further feedback on the aging infrastructure being proposed and it's utility.
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, the need is there. as long as you clearly advertise what exactly you do and then stick to it exactly... it'll have custom.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: It's an option I suppose.. but I was thinking my hands of the hardware would be a big piece of what I'm selling.
mircea_popescu: TomServo colocation is a service, ship them to fucking malysia if you care.
mircea_popescu: TomServo you couldn't have missed it in the logs ? we want a bitcoin hosting corp.
mircea_popescu: which is very instructive, because it's gypsytalk for "a lot of money". which is the problem of being a gypsy : very good social, very poor maths, failure to thrive in the world.
mircea_popescu: which ties in quite hysterically into the romanian expression "Fara numar"
nubbins`: what next, statistics is not a mathematical construct?
mircea_popescu: kinda par for the course for assets rly.
mircea_popescu: eh, he has a skeleton of good points, on which he plants the usual bs.
nubbins`: money is not a mathematical construct?
mircea_popescu: this is why we're here. cause the superset of your shit is the way to clean your shit out of this world.
mircea_popescu: apparently the eater-of-worlds interepretation of bitcoin got some pretty high level people involved.
mircea_popescu: lol @hearn : "So: money is not a mathematical construct. Its a social construct. The fact that Bitcoin uses some fairly basic maths to coordinate social decisions over the internet doesnt change that."
jurov: i haven't heard about "luxury car" with doubled or triply-redundant engine and other stuff
mircea_popescu: and, for that matter, the very people in the more "advanced" economies are by now exactly industrial products.
mircea_popescu: industrial products are industrial products. all of them. without exception. exactly the same thing.
mircea_popescu: "dude you threw the rock like a girl"
mircea_popescu: sort-of like seeing footballers trying to reason about medicine. that's what this entire "buncha derpy kids + some usg moles debating bitcoin" looks to me : like a bunch of nfl picks got parachuted in senegal, and are now trying to get themselves cured of tb
nubbins`: man on the street using special drawing rights to purchase a coffee
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> lol at these kids. vandalism, racism, chauvinism et all. the bad words of a new generation. <<< hurtyfeelism
mircea_popescu: for the record : a node can do this currently, if a node feels like doing this currently. whether we like it or not is immaterial, really. some miners tried it historically, but it's generally speaking dumb an' so it never caught on.
mircea_popescu: not that i think the replace by fee idea is worth implementing, but the reasons given are lulzy.
mircea_popescu: "Its absolutely essential for buying stuff in shops. A currency that cant be used to buy a newspaper on the street is not going to be seen as a real currency by the man on that street." << again and again with this nonsense. what the "man on the street" sees or doesn't see, accepts or hates, whatever the fuck is entirely unimportant.
mircea_popescu: lol at these kids. vandalism, racism, chauvinism et all. the bad words of a new generation.
nubbins`: some, not even then
nubbins`: almost none of the items give price breaks beyond 100
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness, there's 0 price sensitivity from 1 to 10k. pleads against octosite being too useful.
nubbins`: (for those wondering how $18 can turn profit for amazon sellers -- the current sellers are likely the ones who scooped up pallet loads at $7ea in prior years)
nubbins`: anyway long+short we'll never get a deal like the pogos until, well, the next pogo-like thing comes along
asciilifeform: (and no, didn't only check the meta-search engine 'octopart' but every single one of my favourite suppliers.)
asciilifeform: commercially, that is, in the public english-speaking world.
asciilifeform: not even speaking of board, ram, ethernet magnetics & connector, ..., ....
asciilifeform: -the chip alone.-
asciilifeform: summary: the cheapest commercially-advertised microcontroller with integrates sata costs more than 'pogo' even in qty. 10,000+.
asciilifeform: ^ note the prices.
trinque doesn't mind continuing to hump the football
trinque: seems mad about the arch being passed to the openssl compile, which could either be me not having the right environment encantations or who knows
trinque: ben_vulpes: really just waiting for someone to say "auto.sh doesn't do that yet" so I am aware of whether I'm wasting time fixing it :D
asciilifeform: (re: that film: no, i am not personally acquainted with the fella who made the film.)
asciilifeform: (or don't wait, if you download the stock version and build the 'sheevaplug' thing - it gives almost usable kernel)
trinque: asciilifeform: I have crossdev and built a simple main.c which ran on the pogo
asciilifeform: trinque: the absolute best way to do crossdev, imho, is 1) have a gentoo box and use 'crossdev' emerge tool which magically builds the toolchains correctly 2) wait for buildroot
trinque: mod6: trying to cross compile for the pogo
trinque: found the relevant patches
trinque: saw it using system g++ anyway, failed to link the result
trinque: changing the arch in auto.sh didn't seem to work
funkenstein_: i was asking a database guy about log structured databases like the blockchain
Chillum: from the wall?
Chillum: not sure about the exact granularity
mircea_popescu: i know they write per row in any case.
Chillum: plus retiring nands and using unused ones after X accesses. One of the ways they hide decay
mircea_popescu: i think they count by row
asciilifeform: turtles for the turtles to stand on.
asciilifeform: or you'd need a whole other array to count.
Chillum: 'commercial nand flash controllers compensate in proprietary ways' = rewriting the block every X reads
asciilifeform: rather than a 'reflashing' of a bit.
asciilifeform: because results from residual charge from neighbouring signal to select the row/col. to read.
asciilifeform: other than 'it exists' and 'commercial nand flash controllers compensate in proprietary ways' (l0l yes)
asciilifeform: afaik there is no published data.
mircea_popescu: what's the per-read LD50 of memory i wish to know!
mircea_popescu: well if that's the case...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how tiny ? afaik the controlling factor limitng memory atm is that they can't make it thinner than it is because single layer silicone and tunelling becoems a thing.
asciilifeform: Chillum: that wasn't the question
mircea_popescu: these cells are tiny.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so random ssd question for you. aren't the reads destructive just as writes are ? how come not if not ?
trinque: for the other crossdev newbs, gcc -dumpmachine will (I think?) give what must be plonked into crossdev --target
mircea_popescu: which - the cunts - made an ipv6. such service.
mircea_popescu: he has a boss in rh who has a boss who has an orlov who has an etc. six strings long, the flea circus.
asciilifeform: not that there is no office where hearn et al are given winks, nudges, and stacks of benjies
mircea_popescu: it's just that moot subcultures at the end of their rope spew singlemindedness as a natural fermentation product.
mircea_popescu: and no, i don't propose that there's an actual office somewhere directing this braindamage.
mircea_popescu: here's this monstruous pile of serious problems in dire need of a solution, and here's the transgenderqueer crowd fixing pronouns and breaking the scant few things that almost work.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, the parallels between usg-poettering "working on" linux and usgavin "working on" bitcoin are utterly striking.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> this is how i learned the tar ecosystem is actually a fucking nightmare << it's reallty very very bad.
nubbins`: but i have no interest in dismantling buildroot from the top down
nubbins`: asciilifeform this was kinda the final straw
nubbins`: this is how i learned the tar ecosystem is actually a fucking nightmare
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mircea_popescu: Chillum no the telling is normal.
trinque: I worked in a hotel once; this would not be the worst thing to encounter
trinque: just a bigger tragedy then
trinque: tragedy of the commons
nubbins`: DUDE I HAD NO OTHER CHOICE
funkenstein_: speaking of bogota you see the pics of hail last week?
nubbins`: and the peril scared us
trinque: old buildings, well known not to drop the whole load at once
nubbins`: mircea_popescu cut right in the bowl, natch
asciilifeform: with something like a food processor built in to the pedestal
asciilifeform: nubbins`: there are actually locales in usa with pipes so narrow, that this is sop
mircea_popescu: this is possibly the weirdest thing i ever heard
nubbins`: this was after 2 weeks in the jungles and slumming around small towns
mircea_popescu: o rly ? then this should be ok.
mircea_popescu: how did the timisoara one look from that pov ?
asciilifeform is accustomed to the chemically-pure gut-dissolving 100 percent u.s
mircea_popescu: it's a halfway world, right ? i hope you survive the indignity :)
mircea_popescu: ima have to cart bricks of cash to the hotel nao. and i will.
mircea_popescu: clerk is "all the guarantee we'll want is a cc"
asciilifeform: they think 'rich' means they walk in and spend 10**4 times the money and walk out with consumer box, but same overall dynamic
Chillum: they like Rolexes too
mircea_popescu: otherwise, why'd anyone care.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and there is truth to that, yes. but not just.
mircea_popescu: better than the volga!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from the other pov, because in the rest of the world this machine is part of bezzleworld.
asciilifeform: to explain, such a machine in the rest of the world is built custom - seat with the skin of favourite deceased pet jaguar, etc.
mircea_popescu: this because russians know enough to not have it any other way.
asciilifeform: speaking of 'luxury' and orcish misunderstanding of the concept, iirc ru has the world's only aston martin showroom where -folks actually buy and drive off-
asciilifeform: and especially not if they had used actual ab initio fab instead of 'hard copy fpga'
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if they merely collected and sat on the money, there could have been no question of covering fab costs
asciilifeform: nubbins`: interesting observation is that the 'friedcat algorithm' only worked because miners can be let secretly to sit and mine, amplifying the proceeds of that scam
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, most people that survived a halon dump also heard the pov that "the machine just does that when it's displeased"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l, the proverbial nazi method of teaching typing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the interesting thing is that if you confine the proof requirements to the consensus circuit, problem becomes actually manageable
Chillum: not good for the ram though
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ yes, with the bonus that forks.
asciilifeform: for what << for spacecraft, but don't have the needed citation handy
mircea_popescu: (i save the "but provably ?" for later)
mircea_popescu: "heterogenous cpus calculating same problem" seems to me like you maybe had too much of the good stuff.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> actual luxury doesn't take out ad space in GQ << this is really just a more benign and socially acceptable restatement of alf's meta-nsa thesis.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu a good example of this is when the nintendo wii came out, and researchers the world over started buying wiimotes for their labs
mircea_popescu: because car makers, like any software designers, are more than willing to externalise their costs
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, if there's some dubious / experimental stuff, it gets put into the luxury item
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the key of the article being, that if there's a genuinely "Better" anything, it will be in the mass market item, because the savings there are major. nobody is foregoing putting a GOOD something in an item that gets baked > 100mn units.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: 'luxury' isn't quite the concept i had in mind, but 'if this cpu flips a bit, kingdoms fall'
nubbins`: well ya know. luxury branded as such is precisely marketed towards the aspirational
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/masini-bune-si-masini-de-lux/ << me bashing the "better car is a luxury car" notion in 2010.
asciilifeform: there -was- a time when 5mn meant that you get tandem, cosmicray-proof, etc.
asciilifeform: i think there are some fascinating surprises waiting for buyers of surplus 'boeing', 'lockheed', etc.
asciilifeform: it's either consumer 50 or else spend 5mn. exactly like wines. << mircea_popescu probably did not intend this double meaning, but it is EXACTLY like wines at this point. because the 5mn computer you can get today is not actually any but a cosmetic 'golden toilet' improvement over the 50.
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