nubbins`: i.e.relevant to the two guys in it, and maybe in passing to some of their friends or family
punkman: "He tells his EVUE dream of a RIAA-approved blockchain system that will allow users to keep track of digital content and freely transfer it via internet platforms (i.e. Spotify, iTunes, Windows Media). “People will be able to keep their digital content for life,”"
nubbins`: “It never goes down!” says Bryce, referring to the BTC/UNO exchange rate. “That’s the thing people love about UNO. It never goes down.”
BingoBoingo: lol was Garrett Keirns Garr255 or the "Surf Captital Management" douche
cazalla: who would've thought americans sit around drinking coffee discussing how much they dislike mircea_popescu
nubbins`: my darwin build put 'em in the right place
cazalla: mircea_popescu, you might need to edit the s.qntr post
scoopbot: New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-march-2014/
nubbins`: danielpbarron we'll be making them for as long as people buy them. i'll set one aside for ya
asciilifeform: i probably should have specified this in the signed text
trinque: nubbins`: what does export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$OURLIBS/lib under the rest of the exports do for you?
nubbins`: i am also at the "cannot find -lssl, -lcrypto" stage
trinque: but it looked like the stuff not being linked *was* built
nubbins`: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150401/asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation_8685d541f20bcfe8d8cc9fefba663dd861f7b237.patch
trinque: I actually typedef'd the missing type to see what happened, and now it's pissed about something else
nubbins`: ok alf i'm applying all 3 of your patches to a fresh 0.5.3.1, should know one way or another in an hour or so
nubbins`: really nice texture on the black parts too
trinque: this forum post thing where people pop off with some tape fix rather than explaining what's going on
nubbins`: i suppose github could tell you who committed it the first time
nubbins`: prob because one asshole somewhere along the line had a build error
trinque: the latter is defined in c99
trinque: holy shit no one knows why there's both a u_int32_t and a uint32_t
asciilifeform: now that i read that patch, i notice that it does not eliminate -all- occurrences of the dns crapolade
asciilifeform: i never got around to shitting out a patch to remove the hardcoded seedz
asciilifeform: which, in turn, should not be the hardcoded idiocy
asciilifeform: once you dump dns seeder, you gotta have some live nodes (!!!) in the seed list
asciilifeform: can barely make out which way the barrel points
asciilifeform: jurov: appreciate that what we are attempting with static build is like digging out one of those lugers ru kids routinely find in the ground and trying to fire it
mircea_popescu: you don't even ened a motherfucking process.
jurov: i guess they wanted to avoid running standalone process and whatnot
mircea_popescu: the idea of loading binary modules and breaking static builds is not exactly = to nss.
mircea_popescu: i don't think nss per se is the problem here however
trinque: debootstrap failed mysteriously the first time
trinque: asciilifeform: said poettering to the porcelain, parting is such sweet sorrow
asciilifeform: (or insert a more appropriate prelude to a punishment to fit the crime)
asciilifeform: there's u_int32_t defined in sys/types.h but not uint32_t << ahahahahaha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just pick one of the preexisting sluts and then prevent washing, sure.
trinque: asciilifeform: so there's u_int32_t defined in sys/types.h but not uint32_t; I would be interested to see what sys/types.h holds for the other folks
mircea_popescu: and that, incidentally, is the objection ot poettering : it's not a matter of "doing". the man simply has no conception of right and wrong.
asciilifeform: because it is uncommon for the enemy to -invent- a turd ab initio
asciilifeform: in many cases (quite arguably dns included) the turd was an ad-hoc hack from the days of arpa but was cemented in place because guess-why.
mircea_popescu: you KNOW this shit even got to be used in the first place because usg said so.
mircea_popescu: "there's nothing wrong with pki, it just fixes dns."
asciilifeform: i actually find it interesting how astonishingly well-clustered the 'digerati' set is.
mircea_popescu: "unfortunately, the way we made this foss software is that it behaves exactly like windows"
asciilifeform: ^ the correct thing to expect.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't expect them to walk in voluntarily
mircea_popescu: "i have tried and so nobody should criticize the steaming pile of dumb dung "
mircea_popescu: if whoever the fuck is responsible for this crapever shows up in wot he's getting my -.
asciilifeform: there is also the overall 'rust' resulting from no one ever building static anything whasoever for years.
asciilifeform: there is no conceivable technical justification for it, beyond sloth.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i cannot fathom why it was made this way, other than for the usual reasons.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in so far as i can tell, the problem in question is entirely shot in the head by my dns removal patch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you even have a clue why the fuck libnss is made that way ?
asciilifeform: oughta be in the next patch.
asciilifeform: iirc i killed 'loadable modules' on pogotron but forgot to disable the now-useless mod utils.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for thestringpuller from 2 to 1 with note: overpromised and underdelivered on task he set himself for qntra
cazalla: !verify assbot:cazalla.rate.thestringpuller.1:16ae1454fd113b8cc0c781069043ec4cfadbdd32f55f8f028415f9d88daa29df
asciilifeform: but the list of 'should but doesn't' appears to grow, grow, every time we turn over a rock.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, in vast majority of cases, libnss SHOULD JUST CONTAIN ALL!
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 14:54:13; assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 03:26:58; nubbins`: "glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration."
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084116 << whoever the fuck came up with this "binary module loading" bs should be found and named.
cazalla: !rate thestringpuller 1 overpromised and underdelivered on task he set himself for qntra
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084081 <<< this, for the record, is kinda ridiculous.
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 18:32:52; asciilifeform: engineers, who (as shown by the 'monolith' gedankenexperiment, search logs) often do not really apprehend how lizard-reich and its subordinate bureaucracies really think.
mircea_popescu: nice lordosis on the chick... that babe knows how to party.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently he set the record
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 15:59:59; thestringpuller: haven't been able to contact cazalla
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu even wrote an essay on the subject.
asciilifeform: the colour essay
asciilifeform: ^ for the record.
asciilifeform: ther for treason against Friend Computer, since none of them are allowed to touch the paint, go near the hallway, or talk about their mission, and they're all charged with enforcing the rules on one another.'
asciilifeform: yone who breaks the rules is a Commie Mutant Traitor, subject to the death penalty. Much of the game revolves around the consequences of the security levels. For instance, Friend Computer might assign a team of Red Troubleshooters to re-paint a hallway that ought to be Orange but was painted Yellow by mistake the Commie Mutant Traitors. It's quite likely in such a case that the Troubleshooters will all end up shooting each o
asciilifeform: 'In Paranoia, everything has a colour-coded security level (from Infrared up to Ultraviolet) and everybody has a clearance on the same scale. You are not allowed to touch, or have any dealings with, anything that exceeds your clearance. If you're a Red Troubleshooter, you're not allowed to walk through an Orange door. Formally, you're not really supposed to even know about the existence of anything above your clearance. An
asciilifeform: to jwz et al, google simply 'is' - like the sun.
asciilifeform: to the point of commissioning $maxint cpu archs that pretend to do it
asciilifeform: for those who don't follow the antics of lunatics: usg is -obsessed- with domain segregation
mircea_popescu: that's what the jwz dood quite typically told me : that he "doesn't care about whatever political bone i have toi pick"
asciilifeform: unix perms are the proverbial 'pissing-section in swimming pool'
mircea_popescu: that reason is that intelligent people do not wish to spend their time working on idiocy
mircea_popescu: there's a deep reason permissions don't fucking work
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually it is the dirty secret behind 40 yrs of unix
mircea_popescu: that's the dirty secret behind 20 years of "linux"
asciilifeform: but overall, folks who unrepentantly spout nonsense about one thing, damage their credibility re: other things.
asciilifeform: and even further discouraging genuine audit, as if this were possible or even necessary
asciilifeform: mats: selinux and similar are exemplary of usg approach to 'seek00r1ty' - add layers of 'granular' bureaucracy to the os
asciilifeform: mats: grsec >> but the sheer nonsensicalness of pretending that kernel can limit what kernel can do. consider this claim: 'Through PaX's UDEREF and KERNEXEC features, grsecurity forces any userland data access to go through an approved accessor and rejects any attempt to execute userland code in kernel context.'
asciilifeform: but not merely the fact of.
asciilifeform: i invoke mircea_popescu's maxim that 'if there is anything good in it, it will have to be reinvented naively'
trinque: wondering what's different about the debian
asciilifeform: because your dump is quite the same as mine
asciilifeform: trinque: aha, precisely what happens to the published (without weirdo patches) release on my boxes.
asciilifeform: incidentally, did anyone read the 'buffoon's tale' link ?
asciilifeform: as in the weirdo crown monopolies.
mircea_popescu: not all of them.
asciilifeform: anyway patents are a passenger on the burning atomic dirigible of usg
trinque: the standards for "novel" seem trivial
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except that usg owns the patents (war trophies!)
asciilifeform: prior art, if can be authenticated, invalidates patent. retroactively.
trinque: prior art from the dawn of computing type patents
trinque: I've seen insane, *insane* cases in the hospitality software space
trinque: til there's an even lower tier of "valid" patents
asciilifeform: at uspto these are called 'wall hanger patents'
assbot: The Project Gutenberg eBook of Tales of Space and Time, by H. G. Wells ... ( http://bit.ly/1BViSAK )
mircea_popescu: stuff that was ridiculous to patent in 1850, such as "how to make bread" definitely meets the bar today.
trinque: there's a patent on having a database of products and modifiers which dates to 2000s sometime
mats: he also went on to write the Control Flow Guard code.
mats: fun fact: i played starcraft with the guy that patented ASLR.
asciilifeform: mats: as in, 'why is the enemy supplying instructions for your cpu to execute in the first place'
asciilifeform: mats: is it just me or do 'aslr' and related items give a feeling of 'plugging the wrong end of the funnel' ?
nubbins`: asciilifeform then a couple thou years from now you've got people taking guesses as to the True Name of mrc ppsc
asciilifeform: like the semitic langs
asciilifeform: anyway, for the record, my experiment concerned the question of how to create a mapping between a source tree and sections of resulting bin
asciilifeform: then train'em to do it with love.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu said that pets can be trained to do anything - make them do this.
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.msg10963987#msg10963987 <<< the winning bid
asciilifeform: does anyone have an output of the latest release build
mircea_popescu: are they any good ?
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> i dunno anyone offering either of these o.O << my butcher sells llamaburgers
nubbins`: was told it's too much work for the amount of meat
mircea_popescu: me either.
mircea_popescu: they read ll like it were ascii.
nubbins`: unless you replace the two L's with a J
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> today translating bitcoin to everyone. << the book. it must be printed!
mircea_popescu points out that his entire life he's been a transaltor, and perhaps the most successful/best paid/dearliest loved translator ever. started off translating the law to a bunch of burly dudes, then later translated romania to foreigners, then later translated psychiatry to engineers
mircea_popescu: so then stop pretending and learn psychiatry :D
asciilifeform: proceeded from there.
mircea_popescu: what ballas does is more akin to theatrics.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as an engineer that's not a psychiatrist.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason stuff must be ipad even if crapple does not work : orc wants things it can carry
mircea_popescu: which people ? these people.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason you can't have a roomsized machine.
mircea_popescu: but there clearly must be some regulation about all this unsanctioned mirror picture taking by self
mircea_popescu: neither can anyone else tell if fatchick or metrosexual.
mircea_popescu: that is the socialist of tomorrow.
asciilifeform: envy that wears a coat and hides in the hallways works << also wai wat
nubbins`: anyway, late bids extend the end time by 15 minutes
mircea_popescu: imagine there was a breed of marginally intelligent rabid dogs, and they attacked cars
mircea_popescu: i don't think you exactly understand how envy that wears a coat and hides in the hallways works.
asciilifeform: (what the actual point is, is probably only comprehensible to u.s. pheminist types)
mircea_popescu: free the crates11!
asciilifeform: but set up with a wall, or else what is the point
mircea_popescu: mp's rule of the junkworld : no machine may be roomsized.
asciilifeform: also i predicted a very different machine, that would include the chinese donor 'milking' box in the next room
mircea_popescu: somebody had equal-opportunity thermodynamics class.
mircea_popescu: "The Semenette® is unique because it offers the ability to replace the embedded plastic tubing with each use, eliminating sanitary concerns about mixing liquids you choose to put into the tube."
trinque: hanbot: it does not know your public key, which is added in the same fashion
nubbins` has 3 pogoplugs and 2 more in the mail
mircea_popescu: trinque added to the wiki how ?
trinque: jurov: the bot part I think I will
nubbins`: if you wanna see people be loose with money, that's the place to go
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://thesemenette.com/home.html
nubbins`: "the man donned his baclava"
nubbins`: prob drinks the paint too, i mean, that 'clava doesn't even fit him! it's like 3x too big!
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'd say that man drinks the 190 proof
asciilifeform: neither is worth anything except in heterogeneous tandem.
asciilifeform: lasts about as long as the shitty mechanical disks sold in past 5 yrs
nubbins`: <+punkman> " balaclava-clad goon attempts to burn a fire-resistant EU flag" <<< protip: spray paint the corner of the thing before lighting
trinque: and some space for the blockchain
asciilifeform: i'd rather not put a multigig turd on my puny hostatron
mircea_popescu: you need what, python for the bot ?
asciilifeform: if we do the emulatron thing, it will -definitely- need hosting
trinque: that's not hitting the current one, wherever it's going
mircea_popescu: a) put the fucking history in and b) fix your 404 scheme
bitstein: mircea_popescu, mod6: The deed link at the bottom of http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt redirects to a weird domain registration site.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu> but i never put any serious effort into electrical engineering! << said the chap with his own bitcoind running on soviet trinary comp
mircea_popescu: i was going to, but then i got caught in conversation!
mircea_popescu: but then I GOT CAUGHT IN A BA CONVO
mircea_popescu: and honestly, i should be the king noob here.
mircea_popescu: apparently. EVEN I!!!! had actually seen the thing used.
ben_vulpes: every 2 lines i have to hare off to the internet - "buildroot" "qemu"
ben_vulpes: dude these logs are dense
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1181853joe_sacco_buffoons_tale.png << l33t w4r3z scan. this comic was probably not intentionally about the collapse of fiat world, but is a good parable for it regardless.
jurov: together we will *hic* ...so? let's have fun
nubbins`: TOGETHER WE WILL *HIC* [SIC] NOT ALLOW...
nubbins`: together we will *hic*
asciilifeform: wonder if the muppet ever wondered why his pissant kingdom was ever occupied by ru.
nubbins`: back then, yeah. a rarity.
asciilifeform: commodore, for instance, had the out
asciilifeform: anyway it was usually the tv which lacked rca in
nubbins`: incidentally, the fact that NES has RCA out is amazing
nubbins`: yeah they still come w/ RCA in
nubbins`: i know i'd sure as fuck rather play Super Spike V-Ball on an actual NES
asciilifeform: and what the serious tradeoffs are.
nubbins`: how 'bout the cpu speed ;p
asciilifeform: and before anyone asks, the ram is adjustable!
asciilifeform: (it supports other, more realistic archs too, which i actually forgot because never tried)
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> i'll be afk-ish, one last color to lay down on these business cards
nubbins`: not on emulators of the shit hardware
nubbins`: jurov openbsd keeps a room of shit hardware because it's expected to run on that shit hardware in the real world
asciilifeform: jurov: i can't say i'm creaming my pants with excitement over the idea of doing this. but so far the alternatives have been disappointing
asciilifeform: jurov: openbsd is solving a rather different problem, 'waltzing' it on variety of archs
asciilifeform: jurov: the good thing about an emulator is that you can emulate machine of any size, providing you have one 20x or so that size.
nubbins`: i'll be afk-ish, one last color to lay down on these business cards
asciilifeform: i am also open to using a bsd of one kind or another
jurov: otherwise no one will use that for development
nubbins`: but hey. the plural of anecdote is proof, yes?
nubbins`: i do feel that we'll run into precisely the same issues as we're having with our current gentoo installs
asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes, that's the whole point.
nubbins`: i'm assuming the built environments can be swapped around from person to person?
asciilifeform: fourth then.
nubbins`: based on this, i think qemu is the third choice
asciilifeform: the third choice, included for completeness, is that we do none of this
nubbins`: other pros/cons for qemu vx gxemul?
asciilifeform: but eliminates several holes-through-which-the-night-walks-in
asciilifeform: does not make the code smarter, no
asciilifeform: why? -- because you know it cannot be using the system's libs
asciilifeform: if the cross-compile is failing because it's a cross-compile << cross-compile is the gold standard for correctness
nubbins`: i fear this'll add complexity from the start because you won't know if the cross-compile is failing because it's a cross-compile or because the code's borked