Adlai: we do lose the mvps though
Adlai: "fans" in the sense of those who watch from the sidelines, by definition, rarely participate in the festivities themselves
fortune501: theres always more
fortune501: kids should really learn usenet if they wanna internet
fortune501: its quite obviously a suicide joke, but i get all the die hard suicide fans of the internet are already gone
fortune501: yeah that prolly the last time i loaded a game
cazalla: ya ever play baldurs gate back in the day?
cazalla: came out last week, unfortunately its now the victim of game gate type shit
mircea_popescu: or whatever, cardboard boxes, packaging peanuts, they're all consumer proucts after all ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck "marinates" in aluminum foil ffs.
gribble: Beware the "Lasagna Cell": How Some Metals Can Ruin Your Meal ...: <http://amazingribs.com/tips_and_technique/non_reactive_containers_and_the_lasagna_cell.html>; Galvanic corrosion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion>; Lasagna cell - Encyclopedia - The Free Dictionary: <http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Lasagna+cell>
pete_dushenski: let the fortune squirming commence!
mircea_popescu: cazalla the jew.
mircea_popescu: it's kind-of incredible (if you look at things rationally - otherwise if you look at things historically it's exactly expected) that two years later they are STILL TRYING to pretend like they don't have to come to terms.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at reality ranch a) the foundation floundered because it managed to get mp to speak out against it. b) the only way to resolve this problem is with jail time for the speciffic names involved.
BingoBoingo: Dude comes in as thing dies, promises to start new thing with the exact same form of the "dead" thing
mircea_popescu: anyway, this playbook is as old as fucking herbert hoover. "fuck up. then replace the guys that 'fucked up' with another guy, who is going to admit to what everyone knows while fail to mention what nobody wants to hear. he can pose as somehow 'different' for the public of imbeciles, and we can continue teaching the controversy"
BingoBoingo: Their stuff not only fails to wash, it also doesn't dry clean. The sort of cheap polyester the solvents melt.
mircea_popescu: he wants to do what the usg typically does.
mircea_popescu: it does not wash. the difference between this muppet and the previous muppets is nil.
mircea_popescu: the plan here being that "o hey, we'll get one of our shills to try and direct the public discussion"
mircea_popescu: nice try olivier, but it doth not wash. masquerading as a part of the solution while failing to credit the actual mechanisms and trying to use the banal shit to avoid discussing the important shit does not work.
mircea_popescu: "That new director decided that the only way to still get funds at that point, was to focus solely on funding core development, in the hope that people would see that as a good cause. But people were smart enough not to trust the Foundation anymore. "
mircea_popescu: aww, check it out, scam foundation joins the long list of shit that failed to outlive mpex.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 15:29:36; mircea_popescu: alol k. "and then the greek word for hot sexy teen was mistranslated by the hebrew word for baren ugly old hag!"
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 14:40:12; mircea_popescu: next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be.
pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086456 << with six women that all the men somehow agree are 'well dressed'. not ideal.
pete_dushenski: that's a theory
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You know, the ones on the Silk Road investigation who cut their bosses in on their tricks
pete_dushenski: "The lesson for all of us in Bitcoin is to never put any trust in a centralized org again that wanted to represent Bitcoin or the Core Development of Bitcoin." << or the lesson is, don't fuck with la serenissima ?
pete_dushenski: anyone with 10 btc to their name is either here or keeping their mouths shut and their coins locked in a vault come hell or high water
pete_dushenski: the redditards are out of coins.
pete_dushenski: because mebbe 'just core dev' will bring in a gazillion coins. just like ethereum. i'm sure.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But what of the sausage in the grave. Experience that homemade as well?
pete_dushenski: but whether that standard can be achieved remains an open question
pete_dushenski: so i've had them homemade, but 'well' ? not to my standard
BingoBoingo: There's nothing better than a white, sausage breakfast gravy on a bed of hash browns
pete_dushenski: i've had homemade whip cream and that would come the closest to being appealing
mircea_popescu: often when people claim they hate well established foods, it turns out they never actually had a good example.
mircea_popescu: you ever had them made well ?
pete_dushenski: i'm not even envious of people who like them and have no desire to 'expand my palette' to include them
pete_dushenski: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086379 << seconded by another #b-a canadian, me.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo just trying to give alf better ideas, the gasenwagen and recto-thermo-crypto stuff is getting old >D
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is that from mengele's house down the block?
pete_dushenski: plagues, moses, pharoah, the works.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the passover seder ?
cazalla: the jew moon or something! (we'll have a good view of it here tonight)
pete_dushenski: 5775 in the books
pete_dushenski: just wrapped up another successful seder.
asciilifeform: eulora 0.1 comes out << one of these days i'ma have to get a box with a 3d board
asciilifeform: (pogo, heathen linux, pseudostatic, modified skull'n'crossbones)
mircea_popescu: eh get in the wot wouldja.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087842 < AND the submerged fucking cities.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087833 << from what i've seen 4096 privkeys moistly fit on one sheet without further skullduggery
mircea_popescu: well, something like that. moreover, they aren't imaginary. they're actual. purposes are always and necessarily mere delusions.
mircea_popescu: it has no intended result, not being regulation. it simply flows from causes. this is why it's sustainable where the regulatory crud never was.
mircea_popescu: trinque comes down exactly to the ancient causes and purposes distinction. if people find a way to fly, nobody "deems gravity broken" or hoilds talks on how to patch it "because this wasn't the intended result"
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:46:42; asciilifeform: i do not want them in the zoo, i do not want them with a gnu, i do not want them in a house, i do not want them with a mouse, ... , ...
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087800 << "you can not study nonsense at the university. but the history of nonsense - now that's scholarship."
trinque: nobody centrally plans the fucking habits of this or that species
mircea_popescu: gravity is a limit but it regulates nothing. the murder taboo is a limit and regulatory.
mircea_popescu: trinque the difference between that and regulation is the statutory nature of the later.
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:46:05; decimation: but some of them are probably fixes for obscure bugs that might be useful to know about
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087798 << he has a point in that it's not a waste to read them, esp given the methodology.
trinque: everything that lives has limitations imposed by other things
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, most everything in life is unregulated.
cazalla: who has the time for mmos?!
mircea_popescu: btw cazalla and all folks who actually play games : once eulora 0.1 comes out, ima hold an event where there's gonna be magic money bags, yielding coin each day. i want y'all to show up an' get one.
mircea_popescu: i wonder why people don't think representative reproduction is a workable idea, incidentally. we all get together, pick me to fuck all your wives and girlfriends, and that's that. everyone else gets http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsx3hxyNS51r3yt08o3_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: the problem is "consumers have come to expect" and "representative democracy", not the central bank.
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:21:29; junseth: Haha, well the question is what was the alternative. The alternative before the Fed was not necessarily better. I'm not a fan of central banks. But I think it's disingenuous to say that the central bank hasn't done a decent job of "running" the currency. The solution is to solve the problems caused by central banking. I think that's why we're all Bitcoiners.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087709 << central banking is, contrary to the disinfo floating around, in no way part of the problem. it managed to work as a mostly-solution for a long time, but meanwhile the dung overflew it and it's clogged.
mircea_popescu: people have to accept their feelings don't matter. they always end up doing this, it's just some have to get raped with a spiked club first.
mircea_popescu: yes the market would be a great solution, were it applied. sadly, "the political costs". ie, exactly the same tired old record that drove the soviet union into the wall.
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:04:31; junseth: RE: the discussion about markets, I generally disagree with the notion that markets don't work. I know it's a common mantra. But markets, even decently regulated ones, work pretty well. Regulated markets price in the cost of regulation.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087666 << dude, it's not a discussion that "markets don't work". it's a discussion that before markets can work, you gotta have them. similarly, if you don't have running water, you have a hygiene problem. this isn't because "bathrooms don't work", it's because you.do.not.have.one.
decimation: well, there is some precedent for embedded devices reading optical codes - the checkout counter
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: I suppose my overall point is that if the build target is 'frozen', someone is gonna have to maintain the infrastructure
decimation: asciilifeform: well, self-reconstructing is one thing, but certainly the very 'base' install isn't much bigger than a buildroot
asciilifeform: it is neither minimal, nor clean, nor self-reconstructing.
asciilifeform: because, aside from the authorship,
decimation: perhaps not 'avionics grade', but there is quite a bit of 'fix this shit'
decimation: i admit that many of them are probably useful bugfixes that are backported
asciilifeform: i do not want them in the zoo, i do not want them with a gnu, i do not want them in a house, i do not want them with a mouse, ... , ...
decimation: but some of them are probably fixes for obscure bugs that might be useful to know about
asciilifeform: what the hell is wrong with naked, classical gcc.
decimation: certainly I'm not saying that they should be taken on redhat's name alone
asciilifeform: for what do i need these stooges' patches ?
asciilifeform: redhat is more or less the last thing i want to use for anything linux-related.
decimation: if you look at the contents of a src.rpm it's a collection of patches with the original tarball
asciilifeform: the kernel, for what it's worth, is not a sticking point.
asciilifeform: decimation: 'easy' - the ones that -work-.
junseth: Hahaha. Are they intelligent enough to make trades and transact?
trinque: so the word means nothing
asciilifeform: how about n people and one demented omnipotent monster who can eat them at will.
junseth: Haha, I would probably apply the supreme court porn test to whether somethign is a market or not
asciilifeform: junseth: how about a puppet show where kermit the frog 'buys' a bag of 'fuzzies' from miss piggy ?
junseth: Hmm... well, I would say that ther eis probably no such thing as a unregulated market. But any place that exists wher epeople transact is a market.
asciilifeform: junseth: do you believe that it is appropriate to use the word 'market' to describe a system where the crown is the single largest economic actor ?
decimation: junseth: the kinds of folks who would 'fall' for those scams are generally not the kind who are going to matter in bitcoin over the long term
asciilifeform: junseth: there are also many scams which promise to run your car on water. for some reason their existence doesn't bother folks who aren't drooling idiots.
junseth: I agree backing bitcoin with metal doesn't make sense. But there are so many scams that are showing up these days that are taking advantage of the sentiment that a gold/silver backed crypto would be better.
asciilifeform: 'Sometimes it is a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is altering the conditions of war. Perhaps when the next great war comes we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him.' -- orwell. but i'd ask for 'an economist starved to death'
junseth: danielbparron, Well, I would say that electronic, non-government controlled money is better money. Bitcoin's decentralization lets us take advantage of those better features. Previous attempts at using what we all agreed would have been better were shutdown because they were centralized.
decimation: ^ the above is lifted out of a section where dr. white was talking about how the scotish banking system was crushed by bank of england fiat banking
mats: oh thank god there's a transcript
decimation: was even more stable in purchasing power. But in retrospect, the variations in the purchasing power of the dollar under the classical gold standard were trivial compared to what it's been under the post-gold-standard period, the fiat dollar standard. "
decimation: junseth: " But anyway, if you look at that case, if you look at other cases, I think the pattern is pretty clear that the least restricted systems are the ones that performed best from the point of view of the average user of money. And those were systems that were on gold or silver standards. And there doesn't seem to have been any great dissatisfaction with that. There were proposals by some economists to try to have a system that
junseth: Haha, well the question is what was the alternative. The alternative before the Fed was not necessarily better. I'm not a fan of central banks. But I think it's disingenuous to say that the central bank hasn't done a decent job of "running" the currency. The solution is to solve the problems caused by central banking. I think that's why we're all Bitcoiners.
asciilifeform: i have the arm turd from the failed test (see earlier listserv post) running on 'arch'
trinque: decimation: junseth: and the subsidy of various "goods"
BingoBoingo: <decimation> it has the advantage that it is dead, which limits the urge to 'upgrade' << Thing is also huge, bloated
asciilifeform: for bedroom, for now, eventually it will join the bookcase full of similar 3rings
asciilifeform: because will eventually have to read the disasm.
decimation: I'm referring to the now defunct 'open solaris'
decimation: junseth: how does the market 'work' when it's being systematically manipulated in ways that the participants cannot readily observe?
junseth: RE: the discussion about markets, I generally disagree with the notion that markets don't work. I know it's a common mantra. But markets, even decently regulated ones, work pretty well. Regulated markets price in the cost of regulation.
asciilifeform: (and don't forget the chipset, bus, etc. idiocies.)
decimation: i486 has a fairly simple instruction set, and it has the advantage of being still 'executable' on modern cpus
decimation: terms of existence, the idea of the will of the people is a genie or will o' the wisp, that we shouldn't really believe in. But for technical reasons, that notion of outcomes being the will of the people, we should be very skeptical about."
decimation: pretty good podcast http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html >" But that manipulation will not be apparent to people unless they have seen this technical result. Which means that you sort of--you can have shamans, people who know the rules, be in charge in ways that are tantamount to dictatorship. So, we should be very skeptical about claims that 'this is what the people want.' I think ontologically, that is, in
decimation: junseth: if the bond market is 'efficient' (for example), why does it seem to oscillate between 'rally' and 'sell-off' seemingly dependent on how the fed might act?
mircea_popescu: a play about the free market, for instance, is not itself a free market.
mircea_popescu: the us hasn't had a market economy for a century now.
mircea_popescu: markets are only efficient if they exist
junseth: I will say this though, I am a very strong believer in the Chicago school of economics which says that deep markets are efficient. So, inflation, for me, tends to be uninetresting, because you can very very easily hedge against it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what boggles most about those gymnastics is the fact that somehow the same people don't link the dots between "unaffordable health care" and "inflation". isn't this strange ?
mircea_popescu: the b-a is eternal.
mircea_popescu: seeing how i don't use them anyway.
mircea_popescu: if i go to the tailor and i tell him i want pants that are nine feet long, he doesn't get to tell me pant length is not a fair metric.
mircea_popescu: i told you my metric. that's the metric.
junseth: RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. The college I went to cost $45k/year. I paid $3k per year because the number they make you pay and the sticker price are completely different.
mircea_popescu: the purported decay in quality involves specifically this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ
junseth: I mean, this purported decay in quality involves the development of computers in your hand, cheaper foods a la GMOs (Norman Borlaug), and other nonesuch.
mircea_popescu: (hey, if the usg is pretending like increases in quality wash inflation away, same argument can be used the other way too)
mircea_popescu: take into account the incredible decay in quality
asciilifeform: and a few other massive 'rob peter to pay paul' operations around which the entire orchestra revolves
mircea_popescu: take three houses in the top 10% land value areas of the country, take college funds for twelve children.
asciilifeform: the most entertaining aspect is the gymnastics carried out so u.s. folks can say 'ahahah, inflation 30% but where then is the $30/gl. petrol'
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> junseth " The US has kept inflation down to around 3-4% for the most part since the beginning of central banking in the US." << you know that is atrociously untrue. << But for the lizards who got to see their cocaine prices drop nearly six fold over 3 decades...
junseth: Ok. So let's work with those numbers. At 10% per year for over a decade, what you're claiming is that the basket of goods you would be purchasing would have increased abotu 3x in the last decade.
mircea_popescu: depends on your definition of inflation. by my definition of inflation, the us experiences about 15% a year, on average, since 2000. that's exacerbating over time, so 2015 may well see 30%+
mircea_popescu: look into volcker, the problem he addressed, how he addressed it etc.
mircea_popescu: junseth " The US has kept inflation down to around 3-4% for the most part since the beginning of central banking in the US." << you know that is atrociously untrue.
mircea_popescu: "libc.so.6 => not found" << what the shit ?!
junseth: Now onto the next products.
mircea_popescu: "make them secrete ricin too!"
junseth: so we own the Honeywell search terms
mircea_popescu: "Tasmanian poppies are highly toxic if ingested. They are uniquely different to standard poppies and have been developed to produce chemicals suitable for industrial processing only." << check out the proper use of ge huh.
junseth: At the moment. We're putting some 2gig up. GE eventually.
assbot: Not Your Average Poppy... The human body cannot process the chemicals in the Tasmanian poppy. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNETsN )
cazalla: anyway.. they have a public health site for the tassie poppies http://notyouraveragepoppy.org.au/
cazalla: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087484 <<< usually one or two deaths from this each year in tasmania given to the fact they grow pharma quality poppis aka the good shit and some kids take to the fields to grab a few pods for a brew
asciilifeform: (there is no simple way to test these on pc, because linux has idiotically unsegregated memory stats and hard to say precisely how much is eaten -by bitcoind- vs disk cache)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and i only tested because had another debastardizer that i wanted to test.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will notice the "eh why" point never actually came up ? somewhat to my surprise honestly.
junseth: Hahaha. Just kidding about the date.
junseth: I actually don't, believe it or not. I've been doing bitcoin since like 2008 ;P and I have never bothered to give a hoot about making sure I have a provable identity.
Bagels7: I'm just here for the random violent porn
junseth: You guys are like Florida. No one comes here on purpose. They end up here.
junseth: And voilla, I end up at both trilema and the bitcoin-assets log
junseth: I wanted to see where the space ghost image had gotten to
junseth: Haha. Glad I stumbled on the trilema post too. Your content is always really spot on +mircea_popescu
junseth: You guys are great. Don't read it everyday, but I enjoy stumbling on the Bitcoin-assets stuff from time to time.
asciilifeform: because the turds were present.
asciilifeform: ^ for anyone who thought 'eh why do we need static anyway, at the very least on pogo'
mircea_popescu: notbad either
assbot: #savetherobots — Stop Talking About Confirmation Speeds.... Start... ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNAl5r )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/#comment-113438 << seems the author of the bitcoin spaceghost hjas come forward
mats: making the stuff and smoking it wasn't my idea
mircea_popescu: mats someone who is not you could have bought a shitton of seeds, ground them finely, poured straight vinegar on the whole mess, let it sit for a while, then wash it all out and enjoy.
BingoBoingo: Also keeps less people from being involved in the harvest compared to labor intensive latex harvesting
BingoBoingo: less total alkaloids, but useful to them is less of a mix of alkaloids survive that far into the plant's life
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they want the latex, which means that pod won't produce. << Depends on whose definition of "legit" production. Pharma usually takes straw for processing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo afaik no, they compete.
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> same seeds on, say, poppyseed bagels << Yes "legit" opioids come from the waste straw from food cultivation of the seeds
mircea_popescu: they put it in cozonac instead of proper black wallnut paste, it's appalling.
mircea_popescu: afaik the paste (very finely ground seeds with butter) is widely used as a filling
mircea_popescu: one of the most cliche painting subjects too
mircea_popescu: they grow wild in europe.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo all the fun books were missing from my uni's library
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> who the fuck -buys- 'anarchist's cookbook' <<<
BingoBoingo: Urban legend in library world is that "Anarchist's Cookbook" and "Steal this Book" are titles that would outrage censors who find them in library catalogs long after library patron's had liberated them from the shelves.
asciilifeform: it'd feel truly strange to behold either on dead tree.
asciilifeform: in my mind they only exist as ascii txt.
asciilifeform: what's next, -buy- 'the bastard operator from hell' ?
asciilifeform: who the fuck -buys- 'anarchist's cookbook'
mircea_popescu: it seems : that the original author pulled a deepthroat, that the original publisher owned the rights to it
BingoBoingo: But yes, there's also the non-meat culinary, gardening, and engineering uses for the things
nubbins`: BingoBoingo whatever it holds, i've no further need for biopsy punches
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The pretext for picking up a few hundred biopsy punches. You never know what the future holds
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: But seriously if they ask about your Boss "Dad, he's at the farm with the Vet" "It's looking like we'll have to put them all down"
mircea_popescu: it might be the one still medical disease left.
BingoBoingo: Go into the store with a list. You boss sent you. "Busy Afternoon"
nubbins`: a poop stool isn't gonna make the biopsy pu... oh, hm
nubbins`: i've done things in the past that involved biopsy punches, but this isn't such an event
assbot: Bitcoin and the dangerous fantasy of ‘apolitical’ money | Yanis Varoufakis ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNtIQD )
mircea_popescu: http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/04/22/bitcoin-and-the-dangerous-fantasy-of-apolitical-money/#comment-141726 << "someone in the blogosphere"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Isn't that what the designated pr0n computer is for?
mircea_popescu: from the "let's make something stupid and call it our own" department, today the unconnected tap.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Check the user reviews
mircea_popescu: "ShapeShift was built as a demonstration of this principle: exchanges occur without custodianship of user funds. Indeed, there are no user accounts whatsoever."
mircea_popescu: jurov: "creator of SatoshiDICE" my ass. << that claim's interesting. i guess double jeopardy brings out the best in people ?
BingoBoingo: Seriously impresive stuff, just why inflate the credentials like a Turk?
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> He bought SatoshiDice and retained the creator for some time, yes? << an' settled with the sec, to boot.
nubbins`: (for those wondering wtfx1000, the saline completely absorbs into your tissue after a few hours)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you do email in emacs? i've been using mu4e and am about out of patience - coming back around to "show me the ancient tools that handle this ancient problem".
asciilifeform: 'icarus and the wise men'
asciilifeform: joy helping people who have nothing, I create jobs.. I do better then [sic] [O]bama creating jobs my employees are all happy now."'
asciilifeform: 'At the time, Clock argued that he was simply a sort of benevolent overlord. "I decided to help other people and give them this opportunity, I see myself as a do gooder, I know many might argue with that, but when you get people coming to you saying they used to have NOTHING and were begging on a street corner looking for $30 and now he's a boss, sure makes me feel good," he added. "I actually feel more of a [R]obinhood and en
asciilifeform: 27. A.B. was shown one of the photographs from Jack Farrel's Facebook site. A.B. confirmed that this photograph was the Jack Farrel who provided him with the counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes.
asciilifeform: 26. Secret Service searched Facebook for the name Jack Farrel and discovered a Facebook user site for an individual named Jack Farrel who claimed to live in Uganda. This user's Facebook site also had photographs of Jack Farrel.
asciilifeform: for so long as the thing needs changing at all - this is how it is changed.